That was weird moment, tilting, funny and wtf tsm are doing.
@dendi98833 жыл бұрын
Meme that will never die and will get mention in every worlds coming
@kkpz25983 жыл бұрын
There was nothing they could have done . They wasted ultis at start of fight Oriana still had ulti. They were in senna E .
@davidy62733 жыл бұрын
I'm still laughing over the baron vs nexon trade
@PandaRizzArg3 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha true best joke in 2020 hahaha
@YehNahYehAyy3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for reddit: This is Dom's fault for being so negative and making the NA teams have bad mental before worlds started.
@xreaperxreaver75283 жыл бұрын
@@koruroso6231 If the LCS players care so much about public opinion then they shouldn't be playing pro. They have fat as fuck salaries to do what? Flop every year? If you actually took the time to watch worlds you'd clearly see NA was hard outclassed. Our 3rd seed did better than our 1st seed. Do you not see how sad that is? GM's care more about big name contracts and lining their pockets than actually building a good team that could do well internationally.
@julioreynoso02323 жыл бұрын
@@koruroso6231 ARE U THAT DELUSIONAL? Don't you see all the hate/flame that nemesis and hyli get yet they dont care
@TheZeropractice3 жыл бұрын
@@koruroso6231 that you srsly think its youtubers fault that lcs is shit baffles my mind so fucking much holy shit how many excuses you want to list why NA is bad its so fucking disgusting.
@ruili70263 жыл бұрын
@@koruroso6231 and the Koreans get the most hate, like the game FNC vs Geng the korean audience flamed the hell out of Geng and went very hard on them. They said “if you play like this you don’t want to win the game”. And death threats were sent to T1 after not making worlds. Compared to how Korea flames players NA flame is nothing lmao. Also LPL also flames their players hard. Every region gets flamed for poor plays but not every region plays perma safe and for KDA. Na just can’t take criticism? I mean look at LS’s horror story about players not wanting to scrim academy teams, it’s just sad. If your bad then improve with the criticism instead of rejecting it.
@xreaperxreaver75283 жыл бұрын
@@koruroso6231 Then that's not the content creators issue for speaking the truth- it's again the Gm's problem for caring more about having big names in their roster than having actually good players in a team that will do well and win an international title. NA as a whole- whether it's esports or companies in general- care more about their bottom line than they do striving for quality.
@ellisaris40633 жыл бұрын
sneaky was right, in fights, tsm is always ready to run away from fights. feels like theyre always afraid to fight or playing for kda
@L41vindil3 жыл бұрын
Rekkles said something similar after their (2nd) game against tsm: They picked the right comb / like they had nothing to lose (Camille, Galio just fcking go) but they played like they had everythnig to lose / always running away never engaging / comitting to fights.
@woodah333 жыл бұрын
No killer instinct on any of them. I think it was LS or Dom who said it.
@bambambooyaaj62393 жыл бұрын
That's funny because Bjergsen and DoubleLift says TSM likes aggressive plays like players from LPL yet they run away all game. I really wanted TSM to do well but honestly, I believe their team comp was poop against other team. They relied on poking to win.
@mmhmmthatright69003 жыл бұрын
@@woodah33 MarkZ did an indepth interview on the lack of KI within the team.
@woodah333 жыл бұрын
@@mmhmmthatright6900 That's right, it was MarkZ
@meschinca3 жыл бұрын
Poor Yamato is struggling to stay awake while thorin rants 😂
@ryanryan32203 жыл бұрын
2017 TSM: The Jungler was the problem. 2020 TSM: The teamwork/coordination was the problem. Congratulations you played yourself.
@Yoruez1v93 жыл бұрын
9-man sleep xD
@vaderglenn3 жыл бұрын
"It's alwaysbeen jg problem" -bronze 5k tsm fans since the oddone days. :^)
@faker30333 жыл бұрын
that is three years, a lot can change
@keithelliott93763 жыл бұрын
Bjerg has always been the problem.. I mean he's the consistent member in all of them, he needs his ego and his kda playstyle checked at the door.. either be the superstar people claim u are or step away from the keyboard.
@sytherwusky3 жыл бұрын
I think the biggest issue with the LCS is is a serious lack of brand-new homegrown talent
@jonahmckeown9943 жыл бұрын
LS’s point about statistics is not the straw man presented here. His contention is that statistics are misleading and generally not useful without sufficient context. Which is true.
@jack900543 жыл бұрын
IMO Bjerg played overall well, but had pretty terrible laning phases and is def not the only TSM player who played well. Spica played about as good as he can (which still isn’t “great”, but is by no means bad) and BB had moments.
@jack900543 жыл бұрын
Bjerg’s issue is that he kept going back to champs that are just not good in this meta, while TSM as a team failed to make any adjustments. Seriously, how did you have zero picks of Ornn and Ori in six games, the two arguably best champs in the entire tournament up to that point?
@diegointriago91273 жыл бұрын
@@jack90054 bjergsen didn’t play well either you bjergsen fans are delusional he played horrible
@sygenysis41133 жыл бұрын
@Jonah Mckeown stfu kid
@jonah33753 жыл бұрын
@@sygenysis4113 Wait... SYGENYSIS?!
@combo95713 жыл бұрын
I'm not going to take credit for this comment because I saw it somewhere else but I DIED laughing. TSM aka ''Threw Six Matches'' is a former LCS team highly known for their 0-6 performance at worlds. At the moment they are eating a hamburger at the airport.
@anubisxelt68953 жыл бұрын
bruh you’re like days behind, I guarantee everyone has seen this comment, let alone saw it the same day they went 0-6
@combo95713 жыл бұрын
@@anubisxelt6895 Ik I'm late to the party but I'd like to acknowledge that I'm not the original creator of this comment :D
@utopianice45743 жыл бұрын
Noice
@nall83873 жыл бұрын
@@combo9571 don't worry, I'm later than late
@KeenestObserver3 жыл бұрын
@@anubisxelt6895 I didn't see it yet, but I appreciate it
@g.valcic31373 жыл бұрын
What caused 0-6? They suck collectively and individually with bad management, coaching and insufficient effort invested into their gameplay because of NA culture enjoying ''dat Cali lyf'' Saved you 13 and a half minutes of your lives.
@a7x2663 жыл бұрын
TSM's team were one of the main teams grinding out in china. BB, Bjerg and spica were grinding hard throughout quarantine. and its been known Bjergs work ethic towards this game is crazy.
@g.valcic31373 жыл бұрын
Bjerg I can definitely believe, but the others? Where are the results? Especially bot lane. Solo Q isn't hard grinding btw, you don't get ready to fight at worlds with high solo Q rank in bootcamps.
@a7x2663 жыл бұрын
@@g.valcic3137 what do you mean? spica went from the worst jg in lcs to one of the best by end of playoffs and this is his first split pro also looked the best on the team in worlds, and BB looks way better than last summer and spring split. bot lane needs to be dropped. i like bio and double but they have just been crappy all year minus a few games. and thats with them also scrimming. they can only scrim so much and afterwards they grinded solo q, against some of the best mechanical players in the game. when you solo q for hours then grind solo q for hours, thats not enjoying ''dat Cali lyf'' and instead shows the work ethic.
@kkpz25983 жыл бұрын
The reason why they’re bad is bcus bad mindset // coaching . The plays they look for is low risk low reward , all the teams in quarters rn high risk high reward they play too scared
@KeenestObserver3 жыл бұрын
The management and coaching is garbage sure, but those players had every right to show up at worlds and they absolutely don't "suck" on paper. TSM just drains talent instead of nurturing it and I'm definitely with you that their coaching staff/management is garbage.
@str8harry3 жыл бұрын
How have I watched 9 minutes and they haven't mentioned Biofrost. Dude literally looked like a D3 player in a challenger game all tournament
@medg07983 жыл бұрын
I feel like he realized how shit everything has gone, I personally think he lost interest and motivation
@aeroq3843 жыл бұрын
you mean gold*
@zdenka76003 жыл бұрын
@@medg0798 ur right ive been saying this for so long biofrost is just for the cash hes completely unmotivated even.. the only tsm player that i feel is motivated is doublelift and spica sadly
@manuellopezcisneros31643 жыл бұрын
true
@moonage_3 жыл бұрын
Man, makes me more excited for Spica next season!
@supercereal13 жыл бұрын
So I surprisingly half agree with Thorin in this. I definitely think bjerg is my favorite player in the LCS but he has a bad worlds performance. However that Zilean game where BDD shit on him isn’t entirely his fault. At the end of the day it’s his fault for agreeing to pick zilean but there definitely has to be a problem no ones talking about. How does TSM give eve to self made? How does bjerg pick zilean into bdd, one of the only mods that also picks zilean? If he had pulled zilean into lgd or fnatic I think he would have been able to do better. TSMs picks and teamwork looked like straight solo queue
@a7x2663 жыл бұрын
its so sad seeing him play the way he did, but whats even worse is when the team had zero chance to make it through and still played scared and like they had something to lose. really sad. team has issues behind the scenes, and that sucks seeing how close they seemed through playoffs.
@koruroso62313 жыл бұрын
Idk why they didn’t ban eve.. they literally joked about eve being a must-ban against self made but then when they play Fnatic they don’t ban her like what?
@darkhaku363 жыл бұрын
or they can stop being pussies and actually play the game when they brag about being aggressive, the only person who actually played good was spica end of story
@tuan-hainguyen98263 жыл бұрын
TSM just has a bad approach to the game overall. They play safe and wait for mistakes to come. However, it had become their habit of playing too safe. They lost their instinct of when they gotta play aggro and that shown when Spica did the 9 men sleep. If you play agressive you may lose some fights and maybe throw but eventually you know when you gotta stop play aggressive. If you only play safe you are just a sitting duck and never know when to be aggressive.
@tamdang68373 жыл бұрын
Zilean is a support orientated mid. If their carry is shit zilean might as well dont exist
@pranavshankar19723 жыл бұрын
TSM also doesn't know how to play the comps they draft. They took 1-2 camille, galio on 3 and never camille-galio ulted on anyone.
@KeenestObserver3 жыл бұрын
True. Though I think this has more to do with their attitude and confidence going in the tournament. You could just tell they were playing scared the entire time.
@TheCountDook3 жыл бұрын
@@KeenestObserver Honestly these NA League teams should just take risks. They have nothing to lose. They are in worlds they should be taking risk and and being confident when down. NA league teams should watch NA Dota 2 teams those guys from dota take risks and are confident even if they are down and losing. I know theyre both different games but atleast in Dota NA teams take risks and arent scared to pull the trigger.
@shotgunammo3 жыл бұрын
actually they did camille/galio but then immediately ran away LUL
@AnhNguyen-bj6zc3 жыл бұрын
tsm's relationships with the jglers are like that one girl that keeps breaking up with guys and blame the dudes but never wonder maybe they're the problem in the relationship
@dickenstom3 жыл бұрын
brilliant
@tinymike3183 жыл бұрын
yea
@philippaul60393 жыл бұрын
Because TSM refuses to change. They only play for NA championship and they never develop any new talent. Same old players, every year, always fail at worlds.
@a.i.w.a1913 жыл бұрын
And yet they came 1st in LCS.....
@philippaul60393 жыл бұрын
. I'm talking about worlds here
@keroroguns08673 жыл бұрын
Yea, a lot of NA has this problem. We don’t sign new talent and just keep washed pros. We sign people on name, not gameplay which is a huge problem. Even top NA teams suffer from this. We need to just drop bad players and sign a bunch of young NA talent. Then we have a foundation for possibly winning international competition.
@EHMSL12263 жыл бұрын
Liquid and FLY didn't play like "The typical LCS team" for most of their games. The games that TL and FLY played aggressive and went all out for some great plays, they won. For one, TSM drafted as if they wanted to lose for a lot of their games. The main problem however was their playstyle! Its crazy how scared and passive they played. They really weren't trying to make any big plays or really do anything for that matter.
@aleksamihajlovic22563 жыл бұрын
Dude, 3 min into the clip I started getting frustrated like he is yelling at me xD
@ptvo79693 жыл бұрын
video starts at 4:35
@grantpolley3 жыл бұрын
thank you!
@nickt81483 жыл бұрын
God bless
@KurzedMetal3 жыл бұрын
The real hero here! This guy could've carried TSM
@Gr4VtYK1LLZ3 жыл бұрын
TSM fan here : and i kept standing up for spica and blamed the vets on the squad
@20teverify3 жыл бұрын
No need for the disclaimer. We can smell the TSM fan shitty vibe
@seangill25223 жыл бұрын
TSM still plays like season 4, where there was always an optimal team fight or play, where you either outscale or you are ahead in all winning lanes so the other team is at a disadvantage. The problem is they rarely are ahead in lane, and there is no such thing as an "optimal 80-20" play in s10 league. Even for the best teams.
@dephy113 жыл бұрын
True. The good teams go for 50-50s now. There shouldn't be any fear if you know you can initiate well.
@Obi1Classic3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU. TSM 100% looks like they're so hellbent on winning in the old style they had waaay back in the day. It's almost like they're more afraid of risk than they are of losing.
@pgup2693 жыл бұрын
Zillean win: What a pick! After 0-6: Why you pick Zilean?
@gamesyes93523 жыл бұрын
Its because BDD was one of the few mids that actually play Zilean, he picked a niche champion against a person who knows how to play the champion, so they ended up countering themselves
@stefanopaolini61173 жыл бұрын
Don't be delusional, you can't play Zilean against a decent midlaner. It only works in NA. Knight, Chovy, Showmaker, Caps... You think would have not destroyed Bjerg's Zilean? Lmao
@stefanopaolini61173 жыл бұрын
Keep telling yourself the problem was that bdd knows Zilean, that's the mindset perfect for never making it out of groups xD
@pgup2693 жыл бұрын
@@stefanopaolini6117 Agree, LCS teams need to play more and more with LPL and LCK teams nest year. They cannot not dominant in NA but sucks in the worlds.
@gamesyes93523 жыл бұрын
@@stefanopaolini6117 true bjerg is just a shit midlaner
@Cairdeil3 жыл бұрын
TSM airport speed run any% review
@zythraa3 жыл бұрын
TSM aka ''Threw Six Matches'' is a former LCS team highly known for their 0-6 performance at worlds. At the moment they are eating a hamburger at the airport.
@kkpz25983 жыл бұрын
Lmfao crazy
@juliankessler58143 жыл бұрын
4:40 thorin stops talking
@jimmyjinx013 жыл бұрын
You are a hero
@jrkanaan3 жыл бұрын
thorin crack down
@Zzslayr3 жыл бұрын
Really interesting analysis overall, but I why was there no conversation about Biofrost? Is he not a factor in all of this?
@bastdedabek3 жыл бұрын
they talked about biofrost and treatz in the show.
@KeenestObserver3 жыл бұрын
@@bastdedabek No not really. They neglected to talk about Biofrost's performance, which was bad to say the least.
@cin55703 жыл бұрын
He played so bad they forgot that he was even in the game
@spirjrg2163 жыл бұрын
They said that he was bad and he played because he's doublelift's best friend
@remotenightowl3 жыл бұрын
That Thorin rant tho, I'm rolling rn xD
@yep1363 жыл бұрын
thorin malds catJAM we vibe caJAM
@rogiearistoza75573 жыл бұрын
Every worlds bjerg plays so passive. He needs to plays more aggressive. the last games they have nothing left to lose but he is still afraid to be aggressive.
@spirjrg2163 жыл бұрын
He can't man! His mechanics are not like when he was at his prime. He couldn't win lane against Nemesis... pathetic
@rogiearistoza75573 жыл бұрын
I want the bgergsen who plays sindra agains Samsung crown varus at worlds.he plays aggressive, alot of roaming that's the bjergsen we want.
@colin85783 жыл бұрын
@@rogiearistoza7557 they pretty much banned Syndra from him every game. go watch.
@rogiearistoza75573 жыл бұрын
Bro he is a pro player he can manage to adjust.and im not talking on a particular champion I'm talking about his aggressiveness,before he's starting his carrier everybody loves bjergsen who plays aggresive Yes he's has matured in this game and he became a team player in able to adjust to what his team needs but he is the star player on his team his teammates cannot carry the game he needs to step up he needs to play more aggressively roam around.
@colin85783 жыл бұрын
@@rogiearistoza7557 oh thought you were saying why he didn't play syndra.
@Bai_Su_Zhen3 жыл бұрын
NA blaming the players since season 1. Just keep on importing new stars, it must work one day. Nevermind all the toxic team environments.
@amethonys27983 жыл бұрын
Ah yeah all those "toxic team environments" where no one cares or takes it seriously. I would love to have a job where I don't even have to do anything pertaining to my job and still get paid. Remember when C9 players have gone on record saying they straight up do not play the game in off time? Hell they didn't even scrim half the teams either.
@Bai_Su_Zhen3 жыл бұрын
@@amethonys2798 C9 sure brought home a lot of admirable results since they changed their roster. Do you think it's possible that the teams are not exactly enthusiastic about their practise if the team management sucks? I'm not saying there shouldn't be expectations for the players performance but NA "analysts" usually talk a lot more than they know and the team owners are also not exactly the brightest examples. Just look at Reginald for example, the most toxic player in the whole league. I can only imagine how TSM looks from inside with Reginald as the owner. They could import 5 fucking world champions, but if they order them to play a different way and bully the fuck out of them, they are gonna lose anyways. Or do you think that since season one, there just happens to be not a single roster of players who actually put an effort into the game?
@amethonys27983 жыл бұрын
@@Bai_Su_Zhen Except you keep using terms like "toxic environment" when NA is by far the most laid back environment known to mankind. Overseas teams eat, breathe, and sleep league of legends. Hell, LCK/LPL teams have like 4 teams full of subs just waiting to take your spot if you mess up. THAT is a much more "toxic" environment. How you could ever possibly call a workspace where you don't even have to DO YOUR JOB and never get reprimanded or punished for it "toxic" is absolutely beyond me. NA isn't "toxic" enough because you can have players like xmithe still playing when they are halfway in the grave because no one will dare actually replace people with new talent.
@Bai_Su_Zhen3 жыл бұрын
@@amethonys2798 You keep missing the point. I don't mean they shouldn't expect players to perform. The word toxic doesn't mean that either. I'm also not arguing that they should've kept the old C9 roster. The reason I brought up that the new team doesn't do well either is to support the point that there has to be something fundamentally wrong within the orgs.
@kozak91193 жыл бұрын
The speedrun coming in hot.
@aguirrejessiepiolo46553 жыл бұрын
Bjergsen playing soloq. Teamfight always happening on their jungle side and bjergsen was always like, ill just cs on mid and not die with my team to not make my kda look bad.
@jonnysith3 жыл бұрын
Thorin gotta lay off the Adderall.
@theduelist923 жыл бұрын
Im a TSM fan, and im pretty damn disappointed .-. The team overall played incredibly scared and didnt adapt to the meta, and this really REALLY got abused by everyone (the first game against Fnatic a lv 1 invade became a tempo lead for Selfmade's Evelynn wich became a 30 cs 2 lv lead for the Eve against the hyperfarming aggressive Nida. Everyone on the team is to blame, but i cant really say anything about the org because i know nothing about it. Broken Blade is just bad at playing weak side; if his team gives him attention, resources and support he is good at playing carry champions, but if he has to weakside GP, tank or anything else he'll just bleed too much farm, exp and kills. It feels like he is ahead or he's useless, and you cant have a toplaner like that. Spica played good overall, the guy is a rookie in a really high pressure situation (first world in a jungle meta, being the jungler for TSM always comes with a burden) even tho he was sadly being gapped by most other junglers. Bjergsen had a very bad run: he went for a lot of supporting picks like Galio and Zilean to enable top and jng with terrible results, and he didnt really adapt to the weird weak mid meta that's going on right now. His Lucian game was very good until it wasn't, and to be fair the mid meta is very team based, but still since his top and jng really need to be strong to succeed he's forced into supportive picks over and over. Doublelift had a sad run full of mistakes, utility adc have never been his forte and right now between Senna, Ashe and Jhin, and yet he made so many damn mistakes. Biofrost was overall pretty average, his roaming wasn't the best and his teamfighting was below average. Overall this is a meta where the team needs to confidently step up and contest territory around and for a fed jungler, and that just was not something TSM could do.
@tinymike3183 жыл бұрын
Agree with almost everything you said. Almost. Biofrost was not pretty average. He was far beyond below average, and that's being generous.
@theduelist923 жыл бұрын
@@tinymike318 If i have to be completely honest i dont have much to say about Bio, his performance was so...forgettable...
@TheMightyBosstone3 жыл бұрын
It was evident from Doublelift basically leaving every game with a smile on his face. I wouldn't be smiling if i finished 0-6 on my what 6th or 7th appearance at worlds? Usually players get better, not worse. When you start sliding back, this late in your career, maybe its time to retire?
@puppetmaskerr3 жыл бұрын
Lol yes it a time to retire
@aradan39133 жыл бұрын
There's a need for more "advanced stats" like NBA (most notoriously) has. Things like: -ImpactOfPlayer=gold of the player/team gold Make it dependent of average item cost so supps performing well don't get snubbed. Maybe make it more specific to damage dealers and rank AD or AP dmg dealt/gold to see what players are more efficient, and then check their champ pool with more information. -CarryRating=ImpactOfPlayer*25 so 10%=2.5 (support/role player at best)// 20%=5 (no carry)// 30%=7.5 (great carry)// 40%=10 (excellent carry) and 90% is 22.5 (unrealistic insane super carry) *25 is just there to make the number more readable and pretty, in my opinion. (Percentages are gold shares of the team, having 5 players ideal share would be 20% each) If Impact of player is not dependent on average item gold, supps will stack at the bottom Correlate it somehow to the wins or winning% of the team's record to rank player performance in a league Maybe make some of this stats that we usually use, just use things like global gold, sum of all kills/assists/deaths in the game, to see how well a player does compared to the enemy team in the game they both are playing. I don't see a way to rank player level in bad vs good teams, games were you have a good player in a bad situation. Things like skill are hard to measure, because not all botlanes are equal, is easy to check % of last hits but is not the same playing vs cait morg/lux challenging every creep, than twitch rakan. (maybe need a poke rating that takes into account damage taken uncontested or trades, join it to cs/min or something) -Team Damage (taken every 5 mins to make a chart, like they do for gold diff) of X type: X being physical, magic or both. This should show "scaling" from teams into other teams. Have both team's charts overlapped to see when a team takes over, spikes in the comp, etc; in order to tell if teams are able to play around item (or gold) and level spikes. See when and how comps decay. Do the same for tank stats to see if itemization vs tanks and healing is effective (even with armor and ad scaling over time, we should see drops and peaks on items purchases, level spikes, etc; leaving us with a stair like chart). Itemization vs tanks being a hot topic of discussion for the entire season. Stats for items, champion's level/dmg breakpoints in some way related to gold or kills or team gold, kda... Taken universally to rank that player vs what should be happening (setting the benchmark at any point but keeping the rating equal, to rank player performances among themselves, not towards our set conditions) This might be flawed or conceptually wrong, and need some tuning; but this thing should happen, some people smart about the game need to get together and pinpoint this important numbers. This are all numbers easy to get, and most components of them you can see displayed in LIVE casts and the rest are already in the game (gold costs, spell damage, ...). I know this was messy (and youtube comment section isn't the place to make expositions), but this are things that i came up with in a moment. Better analysts would be able to make way better stuff than this in a couple hours. LS take that he "hates" stats is wrong; it's like saying he hates truth, stats don't lie. He hates that people attribute characteristics like player performance to things like KDA (high KDA doesn't always means better player or better carry, maybe that person had a large KDA because he didn't deliver in his carry position and lost the game by doing so)
@fkim84493 жыл бұрын
You can look them up there is a site for that with player stats and team stats 🤣😁
@Greippi103 жыл бұрын
Then why is LS wrong all the fucking time when it comes to worlds? Hating stats is such a moronic stance to take. Of course there are always variables, but what the fuck else are you going to draw analysis on???? LS only ever hates when people go against his narrative and he's too blind to admit he has a narrative of his own. Like fuck me I think he has some really intelligent analysis but he tunnelvisions incredibly hard on his own points. LS himself focuses more on other people attributing performance to KDA than other people actually attribute performance of an individual player to KDA. Like one person says a dumb thing on Reddit and now all statistics are cancer. LS is really smart but also kinda dumb at times.
@joaobrito26533 жыл бұрын
yeah i mean the classic 9 man sleep is tsm's worlds performance in a nutshell
@TheAngryMoth1043 жыл бұрын
I have to admit, that 10 man sleep was fucking shocking
@TheAngryMoth1043 жыл бұрын
@Kate Kuray nope 10
@piotrbrz3 жыл бұрын
NA do not deserve spots in worlds any more , this region is so weak that they should participate in play in like other smaler regions. It will give a chance to other teams from around the world wich deserve the spot way more than NA teams to participate in worlds .
@jamesbowman33003 жыл бұрын
People rage at champ select about lucian mid. I'm just saying
@jamesbowman33003 жыл бұрын
In NA
@brettwolven63903 жыл бұрын
Get Spica and Tactical on the same team! They are NA's best players!!!!!!!
@paopao66473 жыл бұрын
promising* not still the best they're still in their rookie years but yup I agree they have a big potential to be the big names in the future.
@jasonchen48073 жыл бұрын
Imagine Tactical on C9...damn...
@henrytomas3 жыл бұрын
Get tf blade in top and TSM will win worlds.
@donnarhyss9543 жыл бұрын
No its CoreJJ which made TL possible.
@brettwolven63903 жыл бұрын
@@donnarhyss954 Core is great yes but Tactical is a beast and imagine a meta that is better for adcs. He will pop off mark my words.
@zackdgod46803 жыл бұрын
at 3:49 Dom said, you've to just suicide there if you're bjergsen. Weren't 3 members in the sleep already low enough for him to kill? In case of a perfect followup, you get 4 for 1. Is this what Dom was referencing? Or was he just saying Bjergsen going in there was suicide and it was good he didn't go in?
@kian-rhysevans55763 жыл бұрын
He was being sarcastic saying the only option for him was to suicide. When in actual fact if he and other teammates had actually responded, they would have won the fight.
@highofflifeforever3 жыл бұрын
Dude in the middle: stfu about TSM and my mid laner.
@metallicamadsam3 жыл бұрын
remember that 5 man spica lillia ulti. and the entire TSM just look and do NOTHING. fuck me so fucking bad.
@Obi1Classic3 жыл бұрын
Almost 4 months later and TSM (aka Throws Six Games, NOW known as Throws Six Million) with 4 new players STILL treat their jungler so poorly.
@sedaw32613 жыл бұрын
LS was absolutely right when talking about statistics. Numbers don't lie, but they can be deceiving. Context is what matters
@Greippi103 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure I've heard him say "you can't look at the statistics". I will respect his analysis when it comes to a single game, within the game, but outside of that nope.
@syferhaloed3 жыл бұрын
Thorrin with the gas
@jonahgalanits89103 жыл бұрын
I have heard a lot of people saying that NA orgs veteran players are trying to keep academy players out because they are worried they’re better and this could be why NA is not improving, I was wondering your thoughts on this
@timothyparks313 жыл бұрын
dom will always bring up a chance to shit on doublelift
@BabyMamaMaker3 жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for Bjergsen. This 0-6 will be on his resumé forever.
@45474663 жыл бұрын
He ain't leaving TSM any time soon, so it doesn't matter.
@darkhaku363 жыл бұрын
why feel bad he played like hot shit i have no sympathy for him, he get's paid mass amounts of money to under perform every year just like double lift
@diegointriago91273 жыл бұрын
He played like shit never shows up at worlds
@tadaleague3 жыл бұрын
Went to see this nice clip, left as soon as thorin appeared rofl
@user-ln5yo4ir9v3 жыл бұрын
Thorin is like the noel gallagher of esports
@TheRealJoshB3 жыл бұрын
What would it take to get Thorin off the podcast? If I wanted to listen to someone rant incessantly with loosely founded claims, I'd just stick to the subreddit
@ponglenis92733 жыл бұрын
Agree 100% on thorins rage speech
@_ketosucks13553 жыл бұрын
The record TSM aims to be the number 2 or number 3rd seed for NA to go 0-6 again for a new world record to the airport :)
@divinemattress3 жыл бұрын
If only c9 didn't have such a meltdown. Who knows how far they couldve gone 😔😔
@danielpearson75063 жыл бұрын
Not very far because yes they are the best NA team but they're still an NA team, they'd get maybe quarter finals on a really good day
@spirjrg2163 жыл бұрын
@@danielpearson7506 disagree. In the spring C9 was one of the best teams worldwide. I am European and g2 fan but they could've win msi for sure
@michaelturner63753 жыл бұрын
@@spirjrg216 nah they were good but they could not beat the likes of TES, JDG, DWG, SN, DRX. Maybe have a chance against the other teams in top 8. But they would 100% be taken out in the semi-finals by one of those teams
@EHMSL12263 жыл бұрын
@@michaelturner6375 Its funny because when they were good, they truly were one of the best teams in the world. They played exactly the playstyle which gives these LPL and LCK teams so much success. Aggressive dives, pressuring the jungler and putting theirs ahead, and just taking initiative to make sure the other team has no chance once its 15 minutes in. They completely stopped this and just melted down. Their playstyle slowed and they just passively would lose games exactly how TSM did in worlds.
@spirjrg2163 жыл бұрын
@@michaelturner6375 you selling them short. TL took a game out of SN, C9 would be 5-1 on that group. It was a superteam... still wondering what the hell happened this supposed to be their meta...
@YeahChance3 жыл бұрын
Ok I think thorin forgot bjerg was pretty much target banned in most of the games ..
@jonathanc10263 жыл бұрын
crazy irish dude ends at 4:34
@InSaiyanShinobi3 жыл бұрын
The problem with TSM is that the players play for stats more then the wins remember stats make you stay in the league and make you viable to get a pay check. Even if you lose still this is common sense and easy to see when they play and that’s a fact. Most players in every sport do this but the ones who are the great do both win and get the stats and even if the stats aren’t there they still get the dub and that’s a simple fact.
@1337slic33 жыл бұрын
Love Spica's play. Only roster change that *needs* to be changed is they need to play Treatz more.
@noteniceu3 жыл бұрын
The can’t even press ducking buttons 😂😅🤣🤣
@shizzler71763 жыл бұрын
You can criticize play style all you want. In the end TSM just have worse players than the teams they lost to. It would have taken throws/upsets for them to get out of groups. Would any of TSM's players be signed as an import in any decent LCK or LPL team? Absolutely not. Except for CoreJJ you can say that about anybody in NA now. Even players that are good in other regions at the time they were signed are no longer good. That's why it's NA.
@deodatlawson88773 жыл бұрын
Doublelift can’t carry anymore, he’s getting older and as adc main you need great reflexes which he lacks
@hippiehype92733 жыл бұрын
They should get WildTurtle backk
@Tom-gz6kn3 жыл бұрын
@@hippiehype9273 good one
@Andreych953 жыл бұрын
The problem is not his mechanics, its his brain
@jimmor19933 жыл бұрын
Why in season 10 are we still dealing with why TSM and overall NA did bad words? I mean for so many years it's the same over and over again. The answer is simple. They live in their NA bubble as they have for so many years, with casters/analysts always boosting them up for TSM/Cloud9/TL like beating the 5th-6th team in NA? When you have unproffesional casters/analysts like Phreak or Kobe where they are doing the same thing in Worlds over and over again, which is always forgiving downplaying their loses in worlds and getting pumped up/shouting when they are like taking enemy jungle camps against GenG.
@Jinmeiko3 жыл бұрын
NO SNEAKY NO WORLDS
@henryt97313 жыл бұрын
My gold teammates might have a better shot than TSM lmao
@pandabro02193 жыл бұрын
man biofrost stealing 1 kill from bjerg really tilted him that game lol
@flat0ut3043 жыл бұрын
DL plays bad at every worlds..................
@fkim84493 жыл бұрын
Spot on i say that every year 😁🤣
@psychoticdagedar91373 жыл бұрын
Ok but does thorin know everything about every game?
@robstartk3 жыл бұрын
tsm need an import coach
@701garage3 жыл бұрын
And a new bot lane tactical and core jj
@Pix-hh3jo3 жыл бұрын
they just need 7 imports more
@kiho44443 жыл бұрын
New mid laner
@PosDad3 жыл бұрын
Is the title a rhetorical question
@doouug3 жыл бұрын
It’s so pathetic how Spica will get any blame for their games. They complain for years about not having proactive junglers and a lack of NA talent, but you could put a “best in world” jungler (I guess Canyon/SofM) and aggressive support (maybe Mikyx/Hylissang) who look AMAZING on other teams at worlds, and they would look terrible on TSM from making plays alone because no one trusts them and commits to the play. Spica should leave TSM himself and look for a team where they will actually back him up, it might take a couple of years of looking silly but they’d eventually show up much better at Worlds.
@Ter0zak3 жыл бұрын
Imo the best player in tsm at worlds (not like it's a lot) was spica, and if spica is the best player in tsm, there is a big problem
@kirashyper16823 жыл бұрын
Thorin wouldn't be crying like this if bjerg won with Zilean lmao
@optimalgg33833 жыл бұрын
How does that make sense
@candoesports3 жыл бұрын
Thorin is the biggest hater. Tsm lives rent free in his head, but he’s right about DL and Bjerg playing bad, but so did bio. Lets not forget the pick for JG AND TOP. So them losing is also on JG and Top. They were picked to carry and couldn’t. Bjerg plays a plethora of champions too. Syndra, Ori, Azir, Akali, Leblanc, Galio, Tf, Corki and Lucian. He plays plenty of champions. Hard when there are 4 shot callers on one team too. They need a SINGLE VOICE. Bet when they come out with the comms you will hear the split call on the baron.
@janzentwong80943 жыл бұрын
Bjerg is washed up and u know it, just give up defending him, compare him to other mids in this worlds, he is probably near the bottom
@candoesports3 жыл бұрын
@@janzentwong8094 just won an LCS title "washed up" solid silver analasis.
@MultiAblee3 жыл бұрын
I have no fucking clue what Thorin said. Actually he could have had a few good points but if you're that into shouting it's really hard to actually listen to you and take the message in.
@asher23513 жыл бұрын
1 minute in and yamato looks like he is ready to mute Thoran
@00iak3 жыл бұрын
who´s the boomer in the MID hahahahahaha holy shit he loves his shit.
@Ayanami3rd3 жыл бұрын
Is that guy on the right sleeping?
@OscarMtz883 жыл бұрын
Biofrost looked so fucking terrible like how can you NOT sub in Treatz? I guess he isnt doublelift’s friend
@je.z3 жыл бұрын
I think crackdown would be so much better without Thorin.
@copycat25083 жыл бұрын
i dont usually agree with thorin but i do this time. Bjerg is so overrated. Ive said it before: Zilean doesn't work on the international stage.
@jethprimero75653 жыл бұрын
i mean it can if you have a supertop or super adc but sadly bb or double cant do that in worlds
@Raumes5133 жыл бұрын
I still don’t understand why people love him so much, no hate but he’s not impressive unless you just really like tsm I think.. yea his stats are good but cool story he only really contends with like 2 or 3 other mids in lcs lol tsm is honestly the most boring team to watch they need to revamp, honestly regi is probably the problem but idk just my ignorant opinion I pay no attention to tsm lol
@jethprimero75653 жыл бұрын
@@Raumes513 they will never drop him he is the entire brand lmao
@Raumes5133 жыл бұрын
@@jethprimero7565 I'm not saying to drop him, but isn't also bad to put all your eggs in a basket that hasn't really been relevant for awhile, like I said his stats are impressive but either build around him or change alot more than they have, spica is promising, I'm not as sold on bb as alot of other people, not saying he's bad but I'm not sure if they as a team are good at split pushing with him, they need to make up their minds lol
@EraseMemoriesHD3 жыл бұрын
Lance Moore hasn’t been relevant? he was just barely beat out by Core for MVP. He was 1v9 during playoffs, he’s not the god tier player he was 3 years ago, but he so far from being irrelevant. You can make criticisms but spewing shit out your ass like that won’t help you have a solid argument.
@team3am1493 жыл бұрын
NA fans are so uninformed and delusional that some of them were even saying how Bjergsen and Faker are still two of the best and most versatile mid laners in the world before the start of Worlds. Another clear sign that this entire region still lives in 2016.
@robinpintado13833 жыл бұрын
Bjergsen was never a top mid laner. Delusional fans in 2016 thinks he is the western faker when he can't get past groups. Faker had scrub teamates like Bang, Huni and Blank who couldn't secure a smite but still carried then out of groups big difference. While Bjergsen was never the best mid, he just lucky that NA region sucks and has bunch of trolls that's why he looks good and can make Faker like plays.
@JayFiCPA3 жыл бұрын
Lol I think I got it! The reason TSM isn't playing as a team or afraid of fighting is because they're afraid of the results of a loss. Aka flaming from Berg or Double lift if they fuck up. So instead of fighting and sacraficing for the team it's everyman for themselves to carry the game. Berg too scared to make plays cuz DL will flame you if you fuck up. So they're playing not to fuck up vs as a team and fuckin up together and taking equal blame. Instead you got ppl like DL flaming you the moment u mess up.
@ghozter13 жыл бұрын
Thorin is talking out of his ass, he basically said Bjerg can only play Zil, TF and Syndra? What about Azir, Akali, Ori, Zoe, Ori, LB when the meta allows it to and yes even some supportive picks like Galio.
@JT-so4kp3 жыл бұрын
In short: brain damage
@emperurtv43923 жыл бұрын
Bodied by Thorin
@alanliang95383 жыл бұрын
Because the only reason they are there is because NA Is major region? Put them in LSPL and they can’t even make out to LPL
@beardedmelonpopper55533 жыл бұрын
I can understand blasting TSM for 0-6 at worlds, but its just how bad NA is. NA had a tournament and TSM won. Ouch, it hurts being a NA fan.
@puk95603 жыл бұрын
U dont need 13min to say they suck
@alanliang95383 жыл бұрын
Put TSM in LSPL I Bet they can’t make it to LPL
@martinnakov63843 жыл бұрын
Man, idk why people do so many videos about why tsm got 0-6, its simple, bcs na teams are bad, isnt it obvious.Im not a hater, but i dont think they deserve a #1st,2nd,3rd seed.More like Taiwanese LOL championship, 1 place for the groups and 1 wildcard.Thats all
@DrStealthbug3 жыл бұрын
3:18 truth
@residentcuck90823 жыл бұрын
I'm an NA player right, I'm shit at the game and won't deny it, so I do enjoy watching pro play to make up for my failures, I've been kinda on edge with NA teams to any worlds or MSI events, Cloud9 had always gotten the farthest, and Team Liquid was nice last year, but this year? I'm basically done, NA really does suck, I don't know what the fuck they are on, but they all walk in with their tails between their legs, and play like they are looking for the enemy to kill themselves, its inexcusable
@piggy87613 жыл бұрын
At that point just watch for fun LEC, LCK, LPL are fun leagues to watch and enjoy
@TCVHC13 жыл бұрын
This is Thorin's wet dream LOL. Bjerg did play bad but saying he has no champ pool is such a bad analysis...I think MOST people forget that coaches have a say in the champ select...
@SCP-50003 жыл бұрын
Being bad caused it.
@brandonlee19473 жыл бұрын
5:50 After losing the 4th game to Fnatic, those games didn't matter anymore, they were just phoning it in. You are over analyzing a meaningless game.
@100-DaysOfRejection3 жыл бұрын
there's no way you're defending tsm right?
@chrisfrench92573 жыл бұрын
A little emotional, lol.
@Rob-pi8ww3 жыл бұрын
Doublelift should seriously consider retirement. One of the worst worlds performances I’ve ever seen from one player
@anzumazaki77983 жыл бұрын
the longer that reginald makes decisions that involve the team, the longer tsm will continue to never change. tsm should change their name to regi's buddies
@KeenestObserver3 жыл бұрын
Brooooooo.... Regi has long since stopped influencing the League team... You're years late man...
@buffoon37163 жыл бұрын
NA has and always will play like a bunch of scared sissies because soloqueue in our region is filled with people on edge of just exiting the client. Our entire server is damaged mentally. People dont take risks and play be straightforward win by attrition tactics. You get these sleeper comps and 45 minute games with 10 total kills that small gold leads accumulate wins. Meanwhile Chinese and Korean professionals froth from the mouth and go nuts.
@starnessports3 жыл бұрын
I try. Every time i do actually try... and then thorin shouts nonstop and dominates dominates videos. I can’t. This man ruins everything. Im sure dom and yamato have great takes and insight, I’ll never know
@slavkolinic67133 жыл бұрын
Why have insight while we can listen to someone say things you can read from the first 5 twitter comments anyways