LS3 Brian Tooley BTR Stage 2 cam VS BTR Stage 2 Version 2 cam in a 2008 G8 GT. Back to back dyno!

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Жыл бұрын

We did a direct comparison on the new BTR 2 (Redhot cam) vs the old BTR 2 cam that is so popular in the 5th gen camaros, G8s, SS's , Caprices, etc on the dyno to see real world results.
We were VERY surprised by the results!

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@gruiz2818 Жыл бұрын

Thanks fellas for this awesome video. It was good to hear the the cam itself and info… Gonna LS SWAP my 67 chevelle from a 396 to a LQ4 and was thinking of going with that same came from BTR… it sounds amazing. Thanks again

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

You're welcome

@TylerToplovich Жыл бұрын

Now go see the gains at the track! Sheet looks good for sure. Exciting to see all the data and back to back testing.

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

In the works

@Gen01Lee Жыл бұрын

This is the cam I went with for my build. GM crate LS3/Holley X max/Holley blk heart exhaust/headers/Tremec Magnum F/QP 9” in an 87 Iroc. I’m thinking of maybe having the heads ported before install. Great video thanks 🙏

@Gen01Lee Жыл бұрын

Also I was leaning towards a stage 3 but worried about driveability. Can you say how different the stage 2 to the stage 3 is driveability wise? Low end torque, surging etc…

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

You're welcome

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

Not much difference, but we aren't huge fans of the 3. Good choice with the redhot

@ericordemann5806 Жыл бұрын

Lee did you ever get your car on the dyno?

@Gen01Lee Жыл бұрын

@@ericordemann5806 No, I actually ended up buying an LSA supercharger and having the Heads CNC ported, rings gapped, trunion upgrade, LSA pulley/pinned, upgraded the timing chain tensioner and stuck with the same cam since it’s the same as their “Red hot cam” and their PDS stage 2 torque cam. So it’s put me back some. Hopefully by the spring I’ll have it in the car.

@SynergyHealthandWellness Жыл бұрын

Glad there was a little idle clip in there. I was curious how it sounded at idle. Debating on doing this in my 13 zl1 that’s full bolt on.

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

They say it works great with PDS too!

@nealivers7479 Жыл бұрын

BTW Great work on the G8 Gorgeous car...and sound wicked

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@496Cubes Жыл бұрын

Good stuff brother!!! 😎

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

Thank you sir

@14truelies Жыл бұрын

So is this the red hot cam or did they revise and replace the existing stage 2? I have seen many people in forums talking. About the stage 3 even and the specs they had then and the lift and duration were less then and they increased the lift and duration from what I see on the website. So have the stage 3s been revised as well? It’s what I’m planning on for my LS1.

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

Redhot is the BTR Stage 2v2. Replaced the old BTR 2..

@nealivers7479 Жыл бұрын

Love to mod my 2017 Chevy SS Sedan LS3; 6 spd Manual...with a Cam, BTR Platinum springs, Trunion upgrade, ARH, etc. Was looking at BTR Stage II, to keep it fairly streetable (it's a semi daily). My aim is 485 to 500 N/A ?? I'm @ 30K miles now, so the bug has bitten me for sure. Question: With the EXH Durr around 240 @050" (or over 240 on the new version II)...is piston to valve clearance in danger...all else being stock ?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

No. These heads are shaved, no issue. Dont get hung up on a #

@clueless4wat322 Жыл бұрын

Im a little confused, is this stage 2 v2 or Redhot cam? BTR has both but I’m not sure which one you’re actually using since you mentioned both in the video.

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

They are the same cam!

@justinchambers6341 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely love your content! What are the exact mods that have been done to the OrangePeel car?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Btr 2 v2 4dp converter Ls7 maf Pacesetter headers Solo exhaust , mid muffler, solo Js Eibach suspension, with large sway bars CTSV brakes front and rear Vararam intake Im sure im missing a lot

@evcass69 10 ай бұрын

Do you think the LS3 S2V2 is too small for a 418 with the right heads? Daily driver & autox, no formal drag, so i dont want lots of overlap. I'm thinking the smaller intake duration with a head that has high CoD could balance out.

@nufnuffz28 10 ай бұрын

Smaller, but OK. Would peak slightly lower

@Ps3iD10 Жыл бұрын

im really hung up on doing stage 1 or 2 for a daily. any thoughts on the stage 2 cam in a daily stop and go traffic? does it push when stopped?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

It will push some, but with a good tune it's not so bad. On a real daily, I'd like to stay with a stage 1 or Little Lunati

@horsefly1020 Жыл бұрын

It works good with a manual. Can't say on auto.

@87_951 Жыл бұрын

Does this car have a catch can on the driver side for the PCV system returning to the valley pan? I see open air breathers for the passenger side fresh air in

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

This car had no catch cans

@andrewroman4982 Жыл бұрын

I have the BTR stage 2 cam, bought it around the beginning of 2020, how do I know if i have the version 1 or 2? My G8 dyno'd 430/400 with VCM intake and 2" long tubes. The converter blips seem to be about standard for these stock G8 torque converters around this hp, right?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

Yours is V1. Our blip was fixed with some trans tweaks. It also has a Circle D converter, not a stock one.

@andrewroman4982 Жыл бұрын

@@nufnuffz28 Gotcha. When I spec'd the cam, I had asked around for opinions on the biggest cam I could run on a stock converter and the majority of responses was the BTR stage 2. Would that still be the case with the V2 or would you want a converter with that cam?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

@@andrewroman4982 probably OK with the stock converter as well, but I'd upgrade to at least a 3000 or so stall for best results

@mannyzama8746 Жыл бұрын

What’s a good size of stall for this cam? I’m thinking of going with a ZL1 converter and 3.27 rear end on my g8. Any recommendations?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

Zl1 is useless NA... 3400 or so stall...

@mannyzama8746 Жыл бұрын

@@nufnuffz28 welp my bank account isn’t going to like my next purchases lol Thanks for the reply

@charliecadaver666 4 ай бұрын

How much were the 823s/5364s milled? And were they cnc'd or hand ported? Also, are the headers 1.75in or 1.875in long tubes? Anywhoz.. An extra 30whp gain at 6500+ rpms with a shop's revised/updated version of their stage 2 cam... That is way more than I was expecting! I bet the G8's owner is happy with those results! I know I would be. I was expecting to see 10-15whp at the most.

@nufnuffz28 4 ай бұрын

. 035. Hand ported by RCR about 10 yeaes ago. 1.75 we think. The V2 BTR cams do very well

@sickesstvenado96 Жыл бұрын

Question do you guys prefer BTR 2 over Rick Crawford Dragmaster cam?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

RcR stuff works well. Overall its the combo and tune though!

@ChayProductions Жыл бұрын

You briefly mentioned how this cam compares to the stage 3, is this V2 stage 2 better in your opinion? Why?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

In our experience the btr 3 doesn't perform even as good as the BTR 2 V1 on 6.0s. This is a big improvement over both

@Tanner_Teves Жыл бұрын

@@nufnuffz28 What about for 6.2’s?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

@@Tanner_Teves same. Btr 3 seems to not perform as well. Hop to the TSP 3 at that point, although the REDHOT number's still show well through an auto!

@pnwc6980 Жыл бұрын

What cam would you recommend for a c6 ls3 auto with a stock tq converter was looking into the btr stage 2 v2 is there anything else you might recommend?

@aydenwatts-yk3fb Жыл бұрын

what kind of torque/stall converter are you running is this too much for a stock stall?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

This had a 4dp. Id recimat least 2800 for this to be perfect imo

@aydenwatts-yk3fb Жыл бұрын

@@nufnuffz28 thank you sir

@SneakerKidd101 Жыл бұрын

I was thinking of this camshaft for my ls1 with fast 102 and trick flow 215 cnc heads @ 10.7 to compression ratio through a t56

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

Should work OK for that setup!

@SneakerKidd101 Жыл бұрын

@@nufnuffz28 i hope so i have a hard time choosing parts . Which would you choose to make more power? More camshaft or more compression?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

@@SneakerKidd101 compression at 11.7 on 93

@doom26464 10 ай бұрын

You guys tested this cam on any manual 6.2 LS3 cars? Picked this cam up for an 08 manual Ls3 corvette and wondering if I made a good choice.

@nufnuffz28 10 ай бұрын

Yes. Search our channel. White Ss I know of

@doom26464 10 ай бұрын

@nufnuffz28 you guys have alot of videos..link to the video?

@nufnuffz28 9 ай бұрын

@@doom26464 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nM-TYKapnsysoKM.html

@paisley2342 3 ай бұрын

@doom26464 How did it turn out with the redhot on the vet? Whp?

@doom26464 3 ай бұрын

@@paisley2342 car is still in storage waiting as I live in the far north. This late spring will be getting the cam

@adamlyons9028 Жыл бұрын

Just bought this cam for my 6.0 LQ9 swapped C10. Can I talk to someone about getting my ECM retuned for this setup?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

Sure. Email nufnuffz28@yahoo.com

@All_Stock_Garage Жыл бұрын

What's the cause of the lifter failure? Which lifters were used when the cam was installed?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

They were stock DOD lifters. Very common

@All_Stock_Garage Жыл бұрын

@@nufnuffz28 you said they failed twice. I'm assuming that was before the cam change?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

@@All_Stock_Garage hmmm. Never after we did the BTR 2... Maybe with the PO. I think it had a little lunati in it when we got it.

@paisley2342 11 ай бұрын

How does the BTR 2 v2 compare to the GPI SS3 cam?

@paisley2342 10 ай бұрын

470 or so? Seems like an interesting cam spec

@Tax_Mny Жыл бұрын

I am looking at getting this cam for an LSA blower and was wondering if I can use a ZL1 converter.

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

It should work, but will need a good tuner for a Zl1 converter to not push

@Tax_Mny Жыл бұрын

@@nufnuffz28 ok, thanks. I just got with Joe Labruzza from G8only and he confirmed that it should pair well with the ZL1 converter

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

@@Tax_Mny love Joe, but more important to talk to your Tuner/builder about the direction you want to go. Like I said, make sure the tune is good to not push and you should be OK. A so so tune will make you hate it. There are several cammed LSAs On this channel you can look at. Claytons has a BTR 2 PDS torque cam and he is on a Zl1 converter...

@Tax_Mny Жыл бұрын

@@nufnuffz28 Thanks for all of the helpful information. BTW happy Thanksgiving to you and yours

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

@@Tax_Mny you're welcome. HAPPY THANKSGIVING

@bluevyno4766 Жыл бұрын

Bro ik this comment is late but would this cam do well with a highram?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

Not bad... but probably more rpm imo

@SuperiorDRIPP27 Жыл бұрын

do you have any medias I would love to talk too you about mine, adding TT etc

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

Nufnuffz28@yahoo.com

@paisley2342 10 ай бұрын

Would these numbers be the same or higher on a 5th gen camaro m6?

@nufnuffz28 10 ай бұрын

Higher... but not hugely

@v-globalgreenz7826 Жыл бұрын

Where is this shop located? Looking to get a quote on my g8

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

Central nc

@JoseJimenez-xb6vj Жыл бұрын

What wheels/rims are those ?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

Aodhan ls002

@uxknownn 3 ай бұрын

nice video, does anyone know what wheels those are?

@nufnuffz28 3 ай бұрын

AODHO wheels

@frankrodriguez4604 Жыл бұрын

What stall did yall run

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

This car has a 4dp

@BlackOutEco Жыл бұрын

Stock converter or aftermarket?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

4dp

@slowg8701 Жыл бұрын

Got cam specs old vs new?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

Old Specs: 225/238 .620"/.605" 113+3 New cam 221/24X, .619/.617, 113 LSA

@rjp9.6 Жыл бұрын

@@nufnuffz28 does that mean the new cam has no advance ? So it’s the same icl and lobe separation I’m going to be running a 233/248 629 615 116+4 car is getting a blower it’s the she gone cam by dms Now my real question I also have a 233/242 629 615 115lsa no advance straight grind I ordered this when I was going to stay n/a. Planned on shifting around 7400 I was told by the guys at tsp straight grind on 115lsa would love high rpm. Now I’ll never know but curious what you think of the “n/a” cam specs. Love the data ! Very helpful to us all thanks for the awesome videos

@reyperez3424 Жыл бұрын

@@rjp9.6 It should be straight

@fsozack_ Жыл бұрын

would this be a great cam for caprice ppv?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

Yes, with a converter

@screaming86 Жыл бұрын

@@nufnuffz28 which converter would you recommend. I’m really Leaning towards this cam.

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

@@screaming86 depending on usage, somewhere between a 3k and 4400

@screaming86 Жыл бұрын

@@nufnuffz28 I’ve been leaning towards a 3200-3400. The 6l80 stuff is new to me still. I’m used to 60/80e stuff or 350/400’s and manual trans lol

@horsefly1020 Жыл бұрын

I'm using the stage 2 LS3 cam in my caprice engine I swapped into a GMC canyon and got 452hp with a manual trans.

@bwill03z76 Жыл бұрын

How choppy is the idle on the V2 vs the V1?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

Same. Both sound the same depending on the tuning

@bwill03z76 Жыл бұрын

@@nufnuffz28 cool thanks. My C6 is in the shop right night getting the V1 stage 2. This video makes me wish I had gone with the V2 lol

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

@@bwill03z76 always next time

@slick408 7 ай бұрын

@@bwill03z76how do you like the stage 1?

@peterantonopoulos3373 Жыл бұрын

Is this the redhot cam or the new btr stage 2 v2 ls3

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

Both (same cam)

@peterantonopoulos3373 Жыл бұрын

@@nufnuffz28 driveability any different from the old stage 2?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

@@peterantonopoulos3373 no. Seems to drive the same as it did.

@peterantonopoulos3373 Жыл бұрын

@@nufnuffz28 thank you for the responses. Much appreciated!

@John-qz4cv 7 ай бұрын

Automatic or manual car?

@nufnuffz28 7 ай бұрын

Automatic

@3bood-414 Жыл бұрын

Is that ls3 or ls2 ?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

G8s are 6.0 with ls3 topend

@3bood-414 Жыл бұрын

So the block is 6.0 and heads 6.2 right?

@nufnuffz28 Жыл бұрын

@@3bood-414 heads aren't set for any ci.... just has to have standard 6.0 or larger bore

@horsefly1020 Жыл бұрын

It's a L77 basically a 6.0 version of a LS3 I think they did it so they could use DOD. If I'm not mistaken LS3 blocks don't have provisions for DOD.

@charliecadaver666 4 ай бұрын

The G8 GT's came with an alum 6L with rect port heads aka L76 or L77 depending on year. Pretty much an LS2 with afm/dod lifters (but I don't believe ever were VVT motor) with rect port heads such as 823 or 5364.. Not 821s as those are LS3 that came with lightweight intake valves. And cam is pretty much just a 1-bolt 4x version of the 2001-04 LS1 cam. The reason it was only rate at 355-365hp was bc it was de-tuned to run 87 oct gas vs 91-93 premium like the rest of the LS equipped cars (minus the LS4).