M2 Max gets CRUSHED by RTX 4090 & i9 13980HX Laptop?
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Күн бұрынWith the release of M2 Max being followed very closely by Intel's new Raptor lake core i9 13980HK mobile CPU and Nvidias new RTX 4090 Laptop GPU, this is the ultimate shootout of the top end for both team Blue and team, uh, Apple. SO, how does a 4 thousand dollar 16 inch MacBook Pro stack up against a 4 thousand dollar top of the range MSI Raider GE78HX equipped with Intel's most powerful mobile CPU and Nvidia's most powerful mobile GPU?? Today we've got the ULTIMATE Mac vs PC comparison and benchmark test, pitting these machines against each other in gaming, video editing, rendering, 3d modeling, and more!
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Time stamps
0:00 Intro and Unboxing
1:40 Build and External differences
3:03 Specs of both laptops
4:40 Display comparison
5:25 Cinebench R23
6:10 Power consumption
6:38 Fan noise test
7:19 3DMark Wildlife Extreme
7:46 Rise of the Tomb Raider
8:18 SSD Speed test
9:02 Call of Duty MWII
9:16 RTX 4090 Cyberpunk 2077
10:09 Blender CPU & GPU
11:44 Premier Pro render & export
13:57 Unplugged performance
14:51 Battery life under load
15:24 Conclusions from the comparison
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@lukemiani Жыл бұрын
This MSI is crazy guys, faster than my 1500W desktop PC build!! Which would you choose, a 4090/i9 PC laptop or Apple Silicon? Which are your top priorities in a laptop?
@abart4447 Жыл бұрын
I would choose the Mac
@jorrit_o Жыл бұрын
In my use case, a Laptop that only holds its battery life a few hours is very annoying... But I also have the m1 Pro 16" and I don't really need more power so I would just keep mine😄 That MSI Laptop is more like a Workstation that goes from one Desk to another than a portable Laptop... For me a MacBook Pro 16" plus a desktop Gaming PC is way better.
@loodwich Жыл бұрын
In Shinkansen for 4 hours... Tokyo- Hiroshima? For my laptop I prefer a computer that could work forever...
@torstenfichtner6039 Жыл бұрын
Put the M2 Max in the the same case, and let it use 300W, it will blow the Intel Machine away. The MSI thing is not a laptop, its a Desktop Replacement, nothing more. Dont know why you still compare a Desktop CPU with a real Mobile CPU.
@abubakrakram6208 Жыл бұрын
@@torstenfichtner6039 This is a ridiculous argument, because there's no evidence that Apple would ever do that, or that it would even give you the performance you want. And surprise surprise: if something doesn't happen, it doesn't matter if it's possible. MacPS COULD run great games but it won't because no one makes them for the system. That's a perfect example of why hypotheticals don't matter.
@Authons Жыл бұрын
A laptop that needs mains power to work properly, is a desktop
@MaxMustermann-vy7ur Жыл бұрын
100% agree
@filipofilipowicz8074 Жыл бұрын
Yes this is a portable Desktop PC. Nothing more
@Pasi123 Жыл бұрын
17" laptops normally are desktop replacements
@NormanF62 Жыл бұрын
The MSI is a true desktop replacement. Its not an ultrabook or an ultraportable and no one is going to buy it to lug it around. It will be left at home or function as a company workstation in the office.
@dimos15 Жыл бұрын
Thats because it has intel cpu at 10nm. Amd laptops (5nm) have almost the same efficiency as a MacBook but with intel power
@LukeLane1984 11 ай бұрын
Not a fan of Apple, but massive respect to them for creating such a low power chip with such high performance!
@darkcasterx4628 11 ай бұрын
For real, they're slim, quiet, have insane battery life, great performance, and great displays as well. Not to mention the convenience that comes with the apple ecosystem
@Thanos-ri3tc 10 ай бұрын
due to its SOC
@Solution-Design 10 ай бұрын
@@darkcasterx4628 If it had made its way into the gaming industry now, no one would care about PC's.
@microfx 10 ай бұрын
@@Solution-DesignPC's or PCs?
@Solution-Design 10 ай бұрын
@@microfx In german? Then PCs.
@mattbrandt8207 Жыл бұрын
usually don't make it through most of these types of videos but I really liked your comparison, watched the entire thing and thought it was well balanced. Great job!
@CrashCartwright Жыл бұрын
Great video. It seems many people feel there should be a clear "this is better than that" breakdown, but in the real world it is rarely that easy. I appreciate a video that makes the effort to really break down how these devices function for different purposes so viewers can actually learn about them and make an informed decision (instead of "yay for my favorite!). Thank you for providing that information.
@BlaugranaEverything Жыл бұрын
Agreed, these days I don't trust anyone who goes "this product is completely better than that similar product" there way more nuance in the world than that
@blackpepper2610 11 ай бұрын
No
@KylesVideos Жыл бұрын
So if you want a desktop that happens to be a laptop the MSI is for you. If you want a laptop that's actually a good laptop, get the mac.
@c.t.1699 Жыл бұрын
The Raider is still far more portable and mobile than any MiniITX desktop.
@milano0o99 Жыл бұрын
why would i get a mac at the same price 🤣
@lukabosnjak3829 Жыл бұрын
@milanooo Because its better at almost everything if you don't mind the limits of macos...
@mikemcmike6427 Жыл бұрын
@@milano0o99 he went over this: the MSI is bascially a portable desktop
@Di_Genius123 Жыл бұрын
Technically not a laptop you're getting a third of the actual power unplugged. If you're going to be tethered to power to achieve those speeds, might as well get a desktop.
@PerfectMalcolm. Жыл бұрын
A 4000 dollar laptop without a windows licence key is a joke
@giorgosnikolaou6991 Жыл бұрын
The Laptop of Apple when buy it at the ultimate edition costs about the same and cannot play in FHD any AAA game at all...so...! If you buy a laptop of 4k you can afford to choose the windows of your preference as well.
@Constabruity Жыл бұрын
Especially considering how cheap OEMs can get keys.
@newthepanch Жыл бұрын
A key is 10 dollars
@lambroexe Жыл бұрын
It’s a pre release device
@Erdadler Жыл бұрын
@@giorgosnikolaou6991 Does have the Windows maschine the same efficiency? So good luck of getting more than 2 hours of running time on battery only 😂
@TheWxcvbn2011 Жыл бұрын
Very useful comparison with and without power and with regards to battery life and true mobility. One of the best reviews I've seen so far. Following.
@MyRCChannel-CJScott 8 ай бұрын
Even though it was an inconclusive conclusion, the information was helpful. It's always good to see the high end options tested against each other for various use cases. Thanks.
@bobbobber9211 Жыл бұрын
It's incredible how the Mac managed half the performance of the MSI using only 35watts instead of 200
@Stix_Zidinia Жыл бұрын
Also incredible how the trackpad functions like something from 2020 meanwhile windows still can't figure out how to smooth out their trackpad functions.
@jm036 Жыл бұрын
Are you insane, the normal M2 draws 32W at full load. This thing was probably at least drawing 100W.
@asinglefrenchfry Жыл бұрын
@@Stix_Zidinia I've said this for a long time but the new precision trackpad drivers are actually decent, it makes using windows on my macbook much more tolerable
@chriswhetton3584 Жыл бұрын
@@jm036 I am not an expert but if we trust the video he says it draws 35. Which is crazy if true.
@Int-Q Жыл бұрын
@@jm036 what side are you on?
@mynamesaretakenwtf Жыл бұрын
I’ve recently switched to an M1 Air, first time going Mac after 30 years of Windows and sometimes dabbling in Linux. For my workflow, it is the best machine I’ve owned, though it doesn’t game, which has become less of an issue for me. The battery life is unlike any machine I’ve had before and the performance does not take a hit. It is a truly mobile device. For me, M1 is a great first showing of the tech, and a move in the right direction for the industry. The MacBook Air went from a device I would not recommend to my worst enemies to being the default if you have the budget and just want a daily driver.
@kxkxkxkx Жыл бұрын
Agreed...I haven't personally had an Apple since my old Apple ][ in the 1980s but this m2 Air really is the nicest computer that I ever saw 👌
@nicknorthcutt7680 Жыл бұрын
Would an m1 macbook air be sufficient for audio production work?
@huliajiggs Жыл бұрын
Welcome to Apple
@danieltv123 Жыл бұрын
@@nicknorthcutt7680 yes
@SnowyRedstone Жыл бұрын
@@huliajiggs sorry but I am leaving apple. I got into game dev and everyone knows what happens with game and apple... I am currently on m1 pro but my windows laptop will arrive in a few days. It had been a pleasure with apple, but it's time that I move on o7
@zonleescyberlifecorner8282 Жыл бұрын
I just bought my M2 for music and video editing. I have a 4090 desktop for gaming. Also, the macbook pro shine on their elegant and simple look. The msi raider looks like a christmas ornament.
@FilmotionAustralia Жыл бұрын
final cut sure.... but not premiere pro!
@umangabadal7700 Жыл бұрын
You can turn the light off if you didn't know💀
@learnmathwithme3864 Жыл бұрын
But the MSI can your task and much better...
@Anthony0855 Жыл бұрын
@@learnmathwithme3864 no lol
@rabbgod5219 4 ай бұрын
@@learnmathwithme3864he has a desktop pc which smokes the laptop either way. That beeing said the macbook is clearly better to be more mobile
@OCAIOF 11 ай бұрын
That`s an amazing video! Thanks for all the comparison!
@MrRickalba Жыл бұрын
both are insane machines, with wildly different purposes
@deathfire6479 Жыл бұрын
Yes, macbook is for powerpoint presentation and msi is for the big tasks like:gaming, video editing, rendering, graphic design etc.
@codytappen Жыл бұрын
@@deathfire6479 braindead bait
@RamSVermaOfficial Жыл бұрын
@@deathfire6479 Windows fan lol. Macbook is for productivity mostly. Having a 4090 gaming laptop is literally a waste of money; it sucks, its literally an underpowered 4080, not even a 4090 for 4k. A 4090 desktop is much better; you can get it for 3k, too, with good specs and better aesthetics.
@deathfire6479 Жыл бұрын
@@RamSVermaOfficial Also, how can u say the 4090 laptop version is not as good as the desktop version? Of course it fing isn't, have you seen how big it is and how much power it draws? Laptop versions have always been this way. But what do i expect from apple fans? To know how hardware works? They just trust apple and say: "Hehe, new product, take my money. Look how cool I am, I just spent 4k$ on this thing that I have no idea what it is."
@RamSVermaOfficial Жыл бұрын
@@deathfire6479 Dude, the 4090 laptop is literally the same performance as my 4070 ti dekstop. So the 4090 laptop should be renamed the 4080 because last years 3080 M was actually a 3080 chipset, not a 3090. I am not biased unlike you bro
@TaylorBrauer Жыл бұрын
I lost it at the noise level comparison 🤣
@igordasunddas3377 Жыл бұрын
That's one thing I really love about my M1 laptops (using them for development). They are always quiet and cool and last me a day even with resource hoggers such as Teams. I do have a fully fledged PC for gaming and for intense tasks, but it seems I am really only using it for games nowadays and it's kinda too expensive for that, so perhaps I should sell the Ryzen 5900X / 3090RTX / 64GB RAM / 2*1TB Samsung 980Pro, because a PS5 is cheaper. But then again I grew up with PCs and I'd be missing my Steam library.
@arthur2056 Жыл бұрын
@@igordasunddas3377 don't sell it, dude
@kxkxkxkx Жыл бұрын
@@igordasunddas3377'm running windoze 11 emulator on an m2 Air just to play fallout 2 😂 Works great!! Fanless silent computer is a must, once you try it 👍
@themospavlis9007 Жыл бұрын
Great Video! This is where the MacBook always shines is when doing things on the go the battery lasts for what it seems an eternity without compromising on performance. I always had a desktop and a laptop (for college) but spending 3-4 hours on campus back to back classes pretty much I always had to bring my charger. I finally decided to get a MacBook Pro M1 and that’s when my life got easier. I can edit videos, schoolwork, browsing, and some GeForce now , with ending my day at about 70% battery. It is absolutely amazing how Apple has made the silicon chips so efficient.
@haak4251 Жыл бұрын
O was surprisingly shocked when i saw unplugged tests great video
@dabooyse Жыл бұрын
Now this is the comparison that I have been waiting for. Very interesting and eye opening in regards to pure grunt vs portability.
@SusheelChandradhas 7 ай бұрын
A very useful comparison. I needed to see Apple Silicon vs Desktop CPU/GPU performance, and I couldn't find that elsewhere. This was the closest that I could find. Now I know what to do. Very actionable information. Thanks.
@godfreymushimba1356 9 ай бұрын
This was so awesome, I'm looking for a laptop for video editing and this helped me out so much
@HenrikoMagnifico Жыл бұрын
The MSI laptop is great if you want to use it as a gaming machine / heavy work machine as primarily a stationary device. However if portability, noise level and build quality is more of your concern, the Macbook Pro is the way to go
@wolfxotic8652 Жыл бұрын
Also battery life
@bjvink0130 Жыл бұрын
@@wolfxotic8652 also build quality, trackpad, speakers, arguably better OS, better camera, better keyboard and everything else lol
@wolfxotic8652 Жыл бұрын
@@bjvink0130 and the mini-LED Retina XDR display🥹
@arcueid3352 Жыл бұрын
@@bjvink0130 im 100% sure this is a desktop replacement, so things like trackpad, speaker, and keyboard wouldn't be use that much or even at all, you can just use some external ones, so you could essentially get a better mouse, better keyboard and better audio for this which most people would do for a desktop replacement, also external monitors too
@gaiustacitus4242 Жыл бұрын
When the fans on a laptop are running wide open the internals are getting hot enough to melt solder. The life expectancy of the MSI Raider won't be good.
@derkavitat Жыл бұрын
It‘s pretty crazy to see how the computer industry is splitting up in different directions! All the times it was all about which computer is the best and the fastest, but this video proves the computer industry has different niches and spaces and you can see the specialization of the computers. Very nice video!
@jorge1170xyz Жыл бұрын
There are many models on the PC side that do in fact try to go directly for the MacBook Pro market (not that there are too many cross-shoppers anymore). The biggest hurdle on the PC side though is the difficulty in moving over to the much more energy efficient ARM architecture. Apple has full control of their ecosystem and was able to pull the plug on x86 machines practically overnight. PC makers can't do that without causing a lot of problems with legacy users and a lot of other problems. It'll happen eventually, but it's years away still.
@Videx19 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your honest comparison and analysis of both.
@eriusg Жыл бұрын
great video, the best part was the unplugged test xD
@AthifAmrulladien Жыл бұрын
Now this is simple and straightforward benchmarking and explaining which i prefer most of the time... Like it
@bryans8656 Жыл бұрын
For me, portability is a primary criteria in a laptop, so I wouldn't even normally opt for the MBP 16. But in this comparison the MBP is a better fit. As far as gaming goes, a Windows desktop PC would be my choice.
@standupyak Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Жыл бұрын
2:09 these people won't agree.
@Piketom1 Жыл бұрын
If you don't need the fastest video editing computer and the fastest gaming PC money can buy, an M2 Pro 14" Macbook Pro and a decent 1080P gaming PC would provide the best of both worlds. The total cost of the setup would be less than the cost of either laptop in this comparison.
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Жыл бұрын
@@Piketom1 This is indeed the best of both worlds, best efficiency, best customizability best performance.
@Int-Q Жыл бұрын
@@Piketom1 but what if I wanna play games while on a trip?
@MomenRashad Жыл бұрын
Thanks, you made the best video i saw in KZfaq😊
@fulgins1 7 ай бұрын
Thanks man you've fulfilled my thoughts and points that I'm looking for🎉
@jonathanreevescad Жыл бұрын
Awesome video Luke. As an architect who does Real-time rendering this was very helpful to see.
@lanabebr9272 Жыл бұрын
As an architect, which laptop did you use ?:) can you recommend a MacBook ?
@scottharris7222 Жыл бұрын
Your content keeps improving, your camera presence and insights make this a must have channel to visit. Great work.
@juey_PBS Жыл бұрын
Really great vid. Structure was great
@AndersonHenriqueHRV 4 ай бұрын
Excelent comparison and video thanks for the video
@TheThaiLife Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure if I walked into a Starbucks with the MSI that people would fall on the floor laughing.
@salemsloane5820 Жыл бұрын
“Excuse me, good barista, mayhaps you could prepare a scalding libation whilst I crush n00bz? M’lady? 😘”
@quantasplay Жыл бұрын
But you won't hear their laughter because of the noise of the fans
@mikemcmike6427 Жыл бұрын
@@quantasplay the fans are the feature not the bug to drown out the laughter
@octocypher1 Жыл бұрын
Not to mention Starbucks will pass to you the electric bill for the MSI you plugged into their grid 😂
@lilsleezy885 Жыл бұрын
Better go to mcdonald with that thing😂
@BLAISEDAHL96 Жыл бұрын
This was such a well balanced comparison!! Thanks for showing us the best of both worlds.
@rossthompson1594 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Just kinda curious how hot the MSI internals were? Guessing like fried egg hot??
@americansafarico Жыл бұрын
Fabulous video. Definitely subscribing.
@Mr25thfret Жыл бұрын
Great video. You went over some very crucial aspects of these machines and came to an unbiased conclusion. 🏆 👍 However, I didn't see any comparison for sound. I'm assuming that the M2 would have blown the doors off the MSI in this area too. Thanks for sharing!
@HDRPC Жыл бұрын
You can watch "jarrods tech" review of Asus scar 18 with i9 13 gen. You will be surprised to see its performance on battery. Also watch "hardware unboxed" review of i9 13950hx( msi titan). At 55 watt it is more than enough. "Pc world" comparison of m2 pro vs razer. Galaxy book 3 pro 360 vs m2 pro of "ben g kaiser" channel. Also watch "tech notice" channel.
@Scarrus666 Жыл бұрын
Luke, wanna do a comparison between the new Lenovo Legion Slim 7i and the Macbook? It would be great if you could explain how they differ in terms of quality. Performance-wise I don’t think it really matters, both being really fast computers.
@amdenis Жыл бұрын
I have a 3080 and a 4090 laptop I use for AI dev, and an M1 Max Mac that i use for media production and studio work. I can actually use the Mac as a full laptop, plugged or unplugged for 12-15 hours at full tilt. I have to pretty much keep the NVidia based PC’s plugged in all the time, because I’m lucky to get much more than an hour on them unplugged.
@ankhenaten2 Жыл бұрын
I like it when my laptop throttles up the cooling and sounds like a jet taking off
@s96822 Жыл бұрын
would have been great to see the MSI inside. extra m.2 slots, cooling design, etc
@veke1069 Жыл бұрын
The M2 chips are absolute monsters.
@marvinzhang3734 Жыл бұрын
But can’t run solidworks and most 3A games
@Squizz11222 Жыл бұрын
They are. For a Mac. Quite okay with light weight workload and if portability is a must. But in case of absolute power, M2 max has to yield. PC laptop top is 2 times more powerful in CPU and 4 times more powerful in GPU performance at the same price
@RYZ25008 Жыл бұрын
@@marvinzhang3734 Been using Solidworks FEA & CFD on my M1 with parallel without much issue, runs as good as my desktop. And if games are you want, then don't pick a Mac. But using "oh but it can't play games", isn't really a valid point to say it isn't a power hardware. Infact, with proper software integration, the newer macs has been proven to be quite good.
@connorWithTheReallyLongHandle Жыл бұрын
The benefits of ARM over x86
@landscape1570 Жыл бұрын
@@Squizz11222 The M2 MacBooks are not targeted just to light users. They are very powerful machines and can handle everything a pc laptop can handle, but at a fourth of the power, and while not depending on a power brick.
@SaintElvardielSHMD Жыл бұрын
I love my silicon macbook pro, but for my desktop and as a TV/stereo mediacenter I have a windows desktop because of the extra ports and gaming. I love them both and appreciate the option to do anything at home, while the new macs are supreme for traveling and true portability. I don't even keep it plugged in when I use it at home because it charges quickly and it's never an issue. I love my always untangled mbp and to pair it wirelessly with a soundboks. However, since the speakers on the new macbook pros are so great, I often find myself happily relying on them for personal use and that's the first time in my life. It's a blessing to have all this amazing technology. My teenage self would be so jealous haha.
@juststart23 Жыл бұрын
Very nice review, I am looking at a laptop to handle my video (4k/8k) and very high rez photos, it looks like the M2 Max is my direction. Which how much memory did this M2 have?
@soufianechbani1922 Жыл бұрын
Actually unbiased review and comparison, rare to see anywhere, please more !
@gema6217 Жыл бұрын
15:12 I'm surprised at the result of unplug battery test. it's a selling point for M2 Max. Is the msi laptop trackpad as good as macbook trackpad ?
@jk7878 Жыл бұрын
Another one of those I don't know what's best videos but nice comparison nonetheless
@Errlmaster Жыл бұрын
This was a great video! New subscriber here, I like how you provided a really thorough explanation of pros and cons for both devices, I was all for the MSI, until the unplugged performance came about, the Mac is really impressive for a mobile computing experience.
@kalestra4198 9 ай бұрын
He did the tests wrong. I get 21k on r23 unplugged with 13980hx on scar 16.
@sbell651 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for also demonstrating the fan noise comparison that is really helpful.
@DynamicPhil84 Жыл бұрын
Nice video Luke. You are selling me on these new 4000 series laptops. Would love to see a comparison between the 4090 mobile GPU and the 4080 mobile, along with more tests against the equivalent 3000 series desktop GPUs (as I know these can't compete against the current desktop 4000 series).
@mbvglider Жыл бұрын
You should watch a PC channel for that comparison. 4090 mobile beats 3090 Ti desktop in some settings.
@babyhandsthegreat Жыл бұрын
Check out Jarrods tech. He has comparisons coming out.
@DynamicPhil84 Жыл бұрын
@@babyhandsthegreat yeah I'm looking forward to his upcoming videos. Debating about whether or not the additional 4GB of VRAM in the 4090 over the 4080 is worth the much much higher cost, in regards to 3D rendering and GPU based 3D simulations.
@ideiax Жыл бұрын
Best video comparing in real situations . Thx
@bayard1332 Жыл бұрын
Good review, well done.
@mohmmedaljomaie Жыл бұрын
Well, M2 Max is amazing if you think about it! using just 35 watts of power while scoring half the score of the Intel one which was using around 150 watts!
@abubakrakram6208 Жыл бұрын
It's nice seeing the mac deffenses fall back further each year, even as a Mac user. Wd just keep moving the goal posts further back. An a few years, we'll be saying "the Intel's better in every way but the Mac's shiny so Mac for the win."
@Thekidisalright Жыл бұрын
@@abubakrakram6208 never go full retard lol
@MrBubuStation Жыл бұрын
@@abubakrakram6208 yeah the msi is faster but also a lot more faster in draining its battery. Especially in mobile devices efficiency is an important topic.
@mikemcmike6427 Жыл бұрын
@@abubakrakram6208 what did he say that isn’t factual and triggered you so bad snowflake?
@lecannois Жыл бұрын
It's a laptop. Battery life is a must for me. I have a windows desktop for desktop performance. It doesn't matter that laptop performs great... when you can't use it without plugging it into a wall every 2 hours.
@AllgoodthingsTv Жыл бұрын
That was a great video. I'm an Apple user (although I've used PCs) and it was nice to see an unbiased report of the pros and the cons of both laptops. Up until this point, Apple silicon has been touted by many as unbeatable and this test proves otherwise. Still sticking with my M1 Pro MacBook tho lol 😜
@paxtoncargill4661 Жыл бұрын
Honestly I just hope that apple will get the ball rolling with more arm based windows systems and laptops.
@Crimjonn Жыл бұрын
@@paxtoncargill4661 windows system? That's gonna kill the entire ecosystem and purpose of a Mac lol
@antesimunic3127 Жыл бұрын
Lol yeah but you can’t use this MSI without having it plugged into main power. It’s a portable desktop…. The Mac can run at full power for hours and hours and perform unlike the MSI that uses 5-10x the wattage.
@Crimjonn Жыл бұрын
@KANSHIRO 2 things android and windows fanboys don't want to believe 1. Someone using an apple product 2. Apple making some good product
@Crimjonn Жыл бұрын
@KANSHIRO not talking about android, we're talking about mac
@oterotube13 Жыл бұрын
yeap, good point about the on-going work in your trip in Japan. Have a lot sense the scenario. Thank you!
@jayceeapproved2997 Жыл бұрын
Great video (why did I stumble over it so late?), but almost any task? How do you know? Have you done picture editing batch runs? ai based picture creation? Ray Tracing based rendering? The NVIDIA will crush the Apple on the last one, but the other two? Anyway - still great video.
@disklamer Жыл бұрын
I love the Fisher Price lights on the front. So badass. I bet it doubles as a toaster - no thermals this time?
@ernestoditerribile Жыл бұрын
Yeah he missed out on the thermals. And show if there was any throttling. No stress tests either. 😊
@brachiator1 Жыл бұрын
Very well done video. My laptop preference will almost always be for the device with the longest battery life when unplugged.
@tomassasovsky7836 11 ай бұрын
Did you modify the power mode before running the unplugged tests on the MSI to use "best performance"?
@lukeschoen6951 11 ай бұрын
Perfect video comparison to help me choose what to buy
@watercannonscollaboration2281 Жыл бұрын
In the end, buy whichever is the best for your case, it’s great to have options. With Intel macs, there was definitely a compromise on the hardware (especially cooling), but now, Apple Silicon has changed the game for mobile devices and it’s good to see Intel and AMD having answers not against themselves, but options against Apple depending on the use case and price
@PimpinBassie2 Жыл бұрын
Would be nice to see a cooling comparison. Does putting the MSI on your lap smother it (intakes @ underside)? Why is boiling point an exceptable temperature nowadays?
@kennethbooth3529 11 ай бұрын
Great video Señor Miani. More than fair comparison. I do have an idea for a video. The iPad Air vs the Pixel Tablet with benchmarks, heat dissipation and overall utility. Thank
@ace5526 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see a comparison with a similar Windows creator laptop, like a razer blade 16/17/18 or an ASUS Proart laptop
@mikeramos91 Жыл бұрын
that unplugged comparison was surprising. It's crazy how laptops are now able to match or outperform desktops
@iAmThatOneDuck Жыл бұрын
As someone who works in a store where both of these devices are sold (or at least similar ones), thank you for this video. Makes me feel better about myself that I’m actually giving the correct information lol.
@Sword420 10 ай бұрын
Subscribed. I'm close to saving up enough for that MSI monster. I'm upgrading from an GTX 1060 MSI Stealth. The performance and FPS increase at 1080p is going to be insane on my 165hz MSI G32C4.
@princebanini Жыл бұрын
very clear cut test with clear cut results and explanations
@SaladFX Жыл бұрын
In 3D rendering tasks, even 5 seconds of difference can save you a lot of time, since we do not really render one frame in a typical project, there are thousands of frames if it's a project of decent size. Even if you save 5 seconds per frame, that's 1.3 hours you are saving (assuming it's a 1000-frame shot), so msi definitely takes the win here for 3d artists. also vray benchmark and corona benchmarks would be a nice addition along with blender and cinebench for 3D artists.
@redlkb Жыл бұрын
Besides, He cheated with Cinebench results while both laptops works on battery. My laptop with 5900xx scores 13350 in multicore and 1458 in singlecore when plugged into a power outlet and when running on battery 10401 and 1466. It is not such big difference. He did not show any mode of operation or parameters, then all this is a juggling and he is a deceiver.
@AlexisPunch Жыл бұрын
Nah, for rendering is better a desktop pc not a laptop, and for mobility the macbook is the best laptop right there, there's no reason to buy that chunky msi laptop with a garbage quality and garbage secreen
@scale...3d Жыл бұрын
@@AlexisPunch I mean, there are a lot of people who would love to carry their desktop around if they ever could, MSI provides that option for them because it's performance is insane for a laptop. There is a market of people who wouldn't mind carrying a bit of extra weight if they can have their desktop experience anywhere they go. If you don't want it, doesn't mean others don't as well.
@yesyes-om1po 11 ай бұрын
@@AlexisPunch doesn't really matter, would still prefer the raw performance and not using an OS designed for toddlers with too much money to spend on bullshit premiums (look at apple's upgrade costs)
@superEriccui 11 ай бұрын
@@scale...3dI don’t know about a “bit of extra weight”. I think it’s a tremendous amount of extra weight. I thought the MacBook Pro was already big but omg looking at the MSI. You call that a laptop?
@chasmFL Жыл бұрын
Hi Luke! Thanks for doing such a well-reasoned and thoughtful video that really shows off each machine at its best. If I had any criticism of this -- and I had to think about this for a bit before coming up with one -- a brief mention of "performance per watt" would have been yet another big gap between the two. Personally, the constant disco light show and more importantly fan noise would make me crazy, so that let's me out of the MSI. For gaming with noise-cancelling headphones on, however -- and as long as I'm not paying the electric bill -- Intel and MSI have got a dream desktop (in a laptop form factor) for around the same price as the Mac.
@anonnymous7009 Жыл бұрын
Performance per watt is only useful for business grade chips. I mean if you as a consumer care about power usage than don't buy a laptop, best performance per watt is on your phone.
@chasmFL Жыл бұрын
@@anonnymous7009 Performance per watt is important in any device you are paying to power. :)
@anonnymous7009 Жыл бұрын
@@chasmFL If you care that much about every cent, than count performance / watt / time spend rendering in blender with a gpu. You know, the use case when actually 200w is drawn. Personally I safe way more money by checking if the lights are out.
@a2k-media 7 ай бұрын
OK. I bought the device two months ago and I'm also using a Macbook Pro Max M1 at the same time. I originally wanted to buy the M2 as an upgrade, but unfortunately various programs that I need for my job only run with an NVIDIA card (photogrammetry). That's how the decision came about and I haven't regretted it for a second, even though I'm not a Windows fan. But my work goes so quickly and fantastically. I will also get the Macbook Pro Extreme M3 - but for other applications. Sure, the device is not quiet and is actually a desktop replacement, but I am flexible and can do the necessary calculations in the office and on the go. I'm still a Mac fan, but in some ways this device is the absolute best thing I've been able to invest in. Thanks for your great videos.
@ratchet2266 8 ай бұрын
Hey this is the first video ive watched from your channel so i dont know if youre a windows user or not. For the unplugged test did you turn off energy saving mode? Windows usually turns down performance when not plugged in but you can change that. But even if it was on power saving mode that thing losing 59% battery is crazy.
@UUUU-dn9wz Жыл бұрын
The same thing about apple silicon in video editing can also be said about Nvidia in blender, without RTX cores and Optix it would be much slower (would still certainly obliterate the Mac, but not by as much)
@elivegba8186 Жыл бұрын
Word
@mouadmeziani1983 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see m2 max with razer blade latest version since they look somewhat similar look wise and also price wise
@michaelchester3439 9 ай бұрын
Can you add a Linux kernel build test to your reviews? I don't do video processing that much but compiler times are a real pain for me. Nice review. Keep them coming.
@santoshrajak7621 Жыл бұрын
Hey man i liked your way of comparision..... it depends on use case...people need to understand that
@anonnymous7009 Жыл бұрын
I do lots of AI stuff. Been training diffusion models lately (LoRA and Textual inversion). Anything other than a RTX GPU with high vram is not really part of what I can consider.
@vger2 9 ай бұрын
Always appreciate fair reviews showing strengths/weaknesses and use case scenarios so we can all decide which "glove" fits best. I use both PC (build my own) and Mac. I prefer the fruit's ecosystem because the tradeoffs fall on the positive side for me but definitely not for everybody. But when a friend/family member asks for my tech opinion - and they do, oy - I like to steer them right. I recommended a Chromebook (ffs) to a neighbor whose 80+ year old mom wanted a computer... because it was exactly what she needed. But hell no, for me! 🤣
@lilunchengsmiles 10 ай бұрын
I am a machine learning engineer and also a gamer. I have 96 g memory M2 max. Perfect machine for me since it allows me to test big models locally due to fact that GPU shares 96 G memory with CpU. Then later on, do real run on cloud. I can also play my favorite games, such as Baldur’s gate 3 on it smoothly while I am traveling.
@PurpleStormProductions Жыл бұрын
I have a Lenovo Legion 5 gaming laptop with a 10th Gen i7 and a 1660 Ti. I was and still am very happy with the performance of the machine, it outperformed my older desktop with a GTX 1070, a graphics card that is basically the same performance wise but has 2 GB more VRAM, yet I got an equal, if not better productivity and gaming result. That being said, I think I’ve earned an upgrade after using that laptop for 3 years, and for the first time, im seeing the tremendous value in having a machine that is powerful and portable. An M1 Max or M2 Max MacBook Pro have such a massive power to battery life ratio. No PC matches a MacBook Pro in that regard, period. I would use my Mac for video editing, photo editing, music production, other creative tasks, and it’s well known Macs have the best optimization for those kinds of programs.
@DavyDave1313 Жыл бұрын
Damn. I was going to go with an Alienware 18 in gaming laptop. This video made me fall in love with the Raider. Thank you for the great video!!
@octoslut 11 ай бұрын
dont buy alienware junk lol
@DavyDave1313 11 ай бұрын
@@octoslut crazy enough, I changed my mind and got the Alienware m18 with the i9 and 13980HX and 64GB RAM. Its amazing and looks so sleek too !!! Very happy with the purchase
@aerohydra3849 7 ай бұрын
@@octoslut Personally if I had to choose one of the 4090 machines I'd go for the G14 simply because of its portability and weight (plus it gets mini-LED). But IMO Alienware is still more premium than MSI, much better support overall.
@Jtretta Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the thorough comparison! I personally don't use mac because I don't like the UI and some of Apple's policies, but I can see the utility of them. I was tasked with setting up a podcast for veterans in my area recently and my boss insisted on using macs. The mac mini he had used before theoretically could do the job, but it is from 2012 and there is no officially supported way to get modern software packages to work on it. Thankfully we have an M1 imac I was able to convince him to let me use. I'd still prefer a proper tower over what I think is a tablet on a stand, but that's just my opinion.
@YanBrassard 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for trying in 4K resolution. Most tests with the 4090M are on the laptop native resolution but if I want to buy a 4090M to replace my desktop PC with a 2060S, I am curious to know if it opens up the possibility of 4K gaming. If I'm travelling whether to visit my sister or simply to visit another country, I'm curious to know if the PC allows me to connect to a 4K TV and play the most demanding games in 4K resolution. And the answer is yes but with the help of DLSS of course.
@richyu3633 8 ай бұрын
when running unplugged on the msi,. are you changing the msi's power mode? theres techinically three settings from which you need to change, in the nvidia settings, the windows power setting, and msi's power settings
@abdulazeez.98 Жыл бұрын
This is the best video on “MacBook vs Windows PC” I’ve seen! Honest without bias, and clear about their pros and cons
@privatealex0114 Жыл бұрын
Just a tiny detail. The 13980HX is mispronounced as 13980HK sometimes and this name doesn't exist (also the specs of the HX are completely different to the HK). Good video btw.
@craigdaurizio686 Жыл бұрын
I love that Intel decided to jump on AMD's brand wagon by hijacking the HX moniker. These two going against each other is epic.
@froznfire9531 Жыл бұрын
@@craigdaurizio686 You mean EPYC xD
@RubenAlamillaEspinosa82 Жыл бұрын
Well, at the end of the video... the choice is mine, what i want to buy, thinking in my task and requirements thanks Luke!! and great job making this comparison.
@sas999LLJW Жыл бұрын
Can we get a M2 ultra mac studio vs this msi laptop or a later version of it, if it exists 😄
@agent2280 Жыл бұрын
Nice comparison Luke, I very much enjoyed it. I would love to see a follow-up on when the Dragon Range AMD laptops come out as they're based on the desktop Ryzen 7000 Raphael Silicon, those are supposedly efficiency monsters at 55-65W with 16 Zen 4 cores. They will also most probably be paired with RTX 4080 and 4090 GPUs like the high-end Raptor Lake counterparts, which would make the efficiency vs Apple discussion much more interesting. Cheers!
@_57u Жыл бұрын
Great comparison video. I'm currently looking to buy a new mac but have been checking out any possible Windows based options. This is a great highlight of how well built a mac is when it comes to actual laptop and portability. That MSI thing is extremely powerful but it feels like it would be chained to a desk all the time, so one might aswell just buy an actual desktop surely...!
@NadeemAhmed-nv2br 9 ай бұрын
There are many engineers and many people in the tech industry which would buy the 4090 laptop because they have access to power but they need portability
@vivek_v 7 ай бұрын
Go transport your desktop to a different state then. There are countless workflows where something like the MSI would be perfect. Whenever I'm working on a big video project with a deadline, I can't afford to have any downtime, even when I'm travelling out of state for various other reasons. My Precision 7760 has been perfect -- just portable enough to comfortably fit in my backpack for trips. Though, most people don't need that sort of power. For casual video editing, even a potato will suffice. But when working with hundreds of GB of RAW video, the MacBook will just completely melt down (not to mention the ridiculous cost of storage upgrades on the MacBook).
@_57u 7 ай бұрын
@@vivek_v what do you mean, a different state?
@vivek_v 7 ай бұрын
@@_57u As in an out of town trip
@MrDarhcsalk24 9 ай бұрын
you owned my subscibtion, well deserved !
@misterx2598 Жыл бұрын
Dude, so which of the two should I by as a secondary laptop in addition to my current Asus eee pc 900ax? This is what I call my little beast :)
@elissiarosealienna5988 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for reviewing the raider. I haven’t been able to find much about it. Considering it is in the same price range of the other rtx 4090s such as the scar 18, the razor, etc etc, I feel like for the money the raider is the superior build over all in the laptop rtx 4090 category. They all kind of trade blows, great pros and cons, but the raider is a great looking machine and the performance is amazing.
@HDRPC Жыл бұрын
You can watch "jarrods tech" review of Asus scar 18 with i9 13 gen. You will be surprised to see its performance on battery. Also watch "hardware unboxed" review of i9 13950hx( msi titan). At 55 watt it is more than enough. "Pc world" comparison of m2 pro vs razer. Galaxy book 3 pro 360 vs m2 pro of "ben g kaiser" channel. Also watch "tech notice" channel.
@HDRPC Жыл бұрын
Yes msi must provide 5600 mhz ram
@razvangstanica6678 11 ай бұрын
i've been a windows user myself since i was a kid and I'm also a gamer. Recently I got a MacBook pro m2 max, not because I really needed it, it was mostly something I really wanted but could never afford it. It's amazing, it actually feels personal if that makes any sense, the ecosystem and the way it works just makes sense to me. what i don't understand is why companies like MSI that actually make these crazy good machines don't invest a tiny bit into aesthetics i mean, a laptop is a personal experience, you touch it, you carry it .. why does it has to look like optimus prime? I know looks and aesthetics is personal and subjective but i still want to believe that an adult gamer has a more refined taste than this.. all I'm saying is i want a PC that looks like a MacBook, am i asking for too much? hahah
@dy7296 11 ай бұрын
MSI have the less gamer-y stuff too recently. Like the white laptops they offer for professional use. Though unfortunately they are quite overpriced for the raw specs.
@barfingchickens1227 11 ай бұрын
refined aka boring lol
@melkorstormcrown6939 10 ай бұрын
There are work aesthetic laptop designs by msi as well?! Either you did not actually look for it on their website or you are just an apple fanboy trying to make up lame excuses to sound somewhat objective while apple polishing. Nice try though
@sachinmajotra9665 10 ай бұрын
Razer
@mikeswanger4339 7 ай бұрын
@@melkorstormcrown6939how is he a fan boy when he has been a windows user since a kid? It’s possible he picked up a Mac book pro and it works well for him and he use cases. It’s possible a MacBook pro is great laptop.
@41-4E-4F-4E Жыл бұрын
Does the M1 support dual boot? I’ve read conflicting information. I would love to switch to Mac but need the ability to work on Windows (software I work on is Windows only based and need an opportunity to test it)… or is there some sort of VM based software the Mac has so I can run Linux and Windows machines (never owned a Mac so apologies for a very basic question), TIA!
@star_man Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a comparison with the new 16" Razer Blade which is a more comparable form factor.
@leploeo7145 Жыл бұрын
Hahaha nobody is gonna do it, would be an humiliation for the mac
@litebkt Жыл бұрын
Those color lights would drive me nuts. I imagine there are options to control them. How hot does it get on your lap? That’s actually an important thing for me.
@felixluebken7905 Жыл бұрын
@@kebabinspektor this is the most condescending comment I’ve seen all day
@litebkt Жыл бұрын
@@kebabinspektor Yeah, I'm an old fart. But I spent my career designing the stuff you are talking about. A little bit of me is in every computer.
@GraveUypo Жыл бұрын
it's a 300w laptop, so i'm going to assume it gets quite a bit hot depending on the workload. as big as it is, there is still not much space for cooling in a laptop that "thin"
@AmanKumar-wh8tk Жыл бұрын
@@kebabinspektor "if you want a laptop that doesn't run at upto 90 degrees," why would someone in their right mind want otherwise, mr. prodigy? Are you even hearing yourself?
@xtraa 11 сағат бұрын
Very good comparsion, thank you! One thing would also be increasingly interesting to know: The amount of Energy they suck for a render-job in US or Euro Cent. That's a cost factor, especially over a year.
@bariumlanthanum6298 Жыл бұрын
It would be nice to compare the performance in programming, like for compile times, AI training, etc both the MSI and the m2 mac pro are the wet dreams of any programmer
@anonnymous7009 Жыл бұрын
I do AI training. Is that even possible in a normal amount of time on anything other than a Nvidia GPU? Afaik the M2 is like 10 times slower on pure AI tasks (my experience of training diffusion models).
@Shadowed007 Жыл бұрын
Apple definitely needs to work on GPU.
@hishnash Жыл бұрын
The gpus are very good, the perf/W is well ahead of the others in the industry.
@naraydaniels7832 Жыл бұрын
Hell no. Just because the MacBook (an actual laptop) looses to a 4090, which is infamously known for being a behemoth. doesn’t mean that it has a Bad gpu, In all honesty GPU’s are heavily overrated anyway, a 1080ti will push you far and some people can surprisingly still play games on it, I think even people with 2060 Supers can game at 4k too you need even less than that to be functional, (yes there are gpus weaker than the 1080 that work) I’m honestly debating how low can you go on integrated graphics to have a functional computer (I say like HD 5000) M series macs are in that area above functional, below GPU snob Territory With the power consumption of a heavy duty tablet.
@draecath5953 Жыл бұрын
@@naraydaniels7832 The macbook would most likely lose to a 3060 in graphics maybe even lower than that. its sole advantage is battery life, not even portability as there are smaller windows laptops that are cheaper and more powerful. Macbooks are basically overpriced ultrabooks, comparing it to really any mid-ranged laptop with a dedicated gpu is pointless.
@SuperHyphyOne Жыл бұрын
@@draecath5953 which Windows laptops are you talking about? Are you comparing them to this M2 Max or the base M2 models.?
@draecath5953 Жыл бұрын
@@SuperHyphyOne Something like a g14 3060 or comparable with a ryzen 9 cpu should crush a macbook for 1/3-1/4 the price. There are a ton of computers a half or less the money that will crush a macbook that isn't some unknown fact its been that way for years. You don't buy a macbook for computing power as it will never compete it is a great power sipper though and some programs work better on apple os.
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