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I’ve always wanted to get an OLED iPad ever since I saw the Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 from back in the day and after the announcement of the new iPad Pros, I immediately upgraded from my 2018 11inch iPad Pro to the M4 13inch iPad Pro. It looks amazing! Couldn’t be any happier!

No substantial iPadOS upgrade = no new iPad for me

When the Apple cheque cashes in, "M4 iPad Long term review - I WAS WRONG"

As an owner of the 11” M1 iPad Pro, I actually did try out the 11” M4 model. I have to say, I was impressed by the new hardware, especially the display and new pencil and keyboard. But like you said that’s just not enough for me. The M1 chip (even though it is 3.5 years old) is already more than enough for anything iPadOS is capable of. This thing handles everything I throw at it with ease. And the hardware is still spectacular too - the display is awesome even though it is an LCD and I love my Logitech Combo touch / Apple Pencil combo. So thanks Apple for saving me the cash, and for anyone who wants to buy this iPad, I strongly recommend looking at the 2022 and 2021 models which still look and feel incredibly new but can be found for killer deals refurbished and used.

Please compare the RAM or memory management between the 8GB and 16GB of iPad Pro models in a detailed test between iPadOS 17 iPadOS 18 to determine if it is the same as before or if it is now better. In other words, does iPadOS 18 allow more RAM allocation for apps than iPadOS 17?

External displays. Display scaling on my 34" ultrawide thunderbolt display is awful. The dock and UI elements are massive, and there's no way to fix it. External peripherals. Using a USB webcam plugged into the display only sometimes works, sometimes it glitches, sometimes the app (Zoom or Teams) just crashes. Stage manager is a usability nightmare, takes ages to set up a few apps, and then you can't save the layout. Only 4 windows per stage. WTF? Can't resize windows or even split view exactly as you want to. Mouse/trackpad support is limited. Can't tweak acceleration, can't have mouse scroll wheel direction 'normal'. Audio cuts out if another app makes a sound. Apps crash hard requiring a device restart. No terminal or text editor. Files app is unintuitive and clunky. 3rd party file sync (e.g. OneDrive) is unreliable. File transfers to SMB are slow and unreliable. Background apps stop working, so you have to leave apps in foreground if they are performing a long running task. Airplay to a TV results in large borders on all 4 sides. This is on a platform that has the fastest CPU I own, and altogether costs over $1500. A base Macbook Air has NONE of these issues. I get not everyone wants macOS, I don't really want macOS on an iPad, but I'd take it because it would make things work properly. I imagine it'll take Apple a decade to fix these issues with iPadOS updates, if indeed they ever fix them. And yes, if I don't use the keyboard, and 'use it as an iPad', it's fine. I can use messages, notes, youtube, safari. I can also do all that on a $300 iPad. Just being able to do those things is not what the iPad Pro is for. It's not what Apple promise in their marketing. It's not reasonable to artificially stop this device from doing all these things, the hardware is perfectly capable, it should be done already.

I hope we get an in depth comparison between the Surface Pro 11 OLED and the M4 iPad Pro.

Finally someone said it that the price is injustable

I listened to your original review, and decided that 2070CAD for the cell version + 150 for the pencil and + 400 for the keyboard was a bit much, and decided to get a used M1 12.'9 with keyboard and pencil for 1150. Am I really missing out by not getting the new 13' M4 iPad?

The iPad is not a MacBook. Max complains about wanting the iPad to act like a Mac. And he complains about the MacBook not having a touch screen. But the iPad and Mac are two different conceptualizations of a computer. The iPad is the simple computer for all of us. So obviously you are not in the target demographic for the iPad.

Not gonna spend more than an MacBook Air on an iPad Pro + keyboard just to run a phone OS. It needs an option to run full MacOS.

does it stay cool, when using GoodNotes or other Apps?

Using my Mid-2014 Retina MacBook Pro and M4 iPad side by side, you know what? Both are good enough for me. Yes, in the dark, you can see deep blacks on the M4 iPad Pro, but you will notice it only when you look for them. However, the iPad is not a laptop replacement. 10 Year OLD RMBP is still more useful that my $3K iPad setup lol..

I ended up getting a new (open box) M2 iPad Pro 12.9 cellular and 512gb for under half the price of the same spec's M4 13". The Mini LED is and noticeably amazing compared to my older M1 11". The M2 is far more than I need so glad I paid way less for the M2 version. No regrets not going for the M4

Have they found a way to integrate the photo app with the files app, or is it still stupid?

I’d be happy enough if we could eject the Ssd like on MacOS..

What's the point of this new hardware when you're stuck with the same software limitations?

I purchased the 13 inch 1tb cellular version , No regrets , I already own a pc, ps5 and a m1 MacBook Air .

The battery of M4 iPad is draining everyday even if I don’t use it. I am not the only one facing this issue and no reviewers reported it

Can you do an analysis on battery life? I find the battery life to be less than my M1. I'd be curious to see some real data on the M4 vs the M1 or M2.

Honestly, I bought the 11 inch M4 256 GB cellular version, tried gaming on it with AC Mirage, watched a couple of movies and set it up as my daily travel computer, but it just could not replace my M1 Macbook Pro. It is a super impressive tablet but for the price point it is simply a luxury. After seeing the upcoming software update and the lack of an effort, and feeling how hot it became while gaming I decided to return it.

Can you tell iOS 18 to make a keynote presentation on a particular subject using your company identification and industry disclaimers for your public customers and it do it?

I got a a second hand 2TB iPad for a “good price”. I’ve used nearly every iPad year and size (except the Airs). I too wanted them to all be more “pro”, but at this point I’ve given up. What I am happy for is more games. Sure we are really far off from even what the Mac AAA game library can offer (steam for example) but I honestly think this is what this device is for as opposed to a laptop; light - gaming, writing, music/video editing etc. or look at it this way, if you gave a teenager this iPad and told them they needed to do everything on it… they could and would enjoy it without even thinking twice about a Mac/PC.

I love the 13” M4 iPad Pro. My 11” m1 is just kind of laying around now. I went digital with my work notation recently and I love the minimalism/lack of waste from it. Add that screen in and I love it.

Not having preview on Files app its a major turn off. I would love to use an ipad for everyday use, but still to limited. It doesnt have sense to have a M4 in the ipad. And in a couple of years an M6 in the new ipad? For what? Faster PDF? And you still cant multitask in an ipad?

11'' M4 owner. 1000 nits, Face ID, weight, landscape front camera, OLED and the pencil pro. A banger. My only dilemma is choosing a case to protect it but keeping the weight as low as possible.

Is it possible to install Mac OS on ipad like hackintosh

I didn't see anything that shown for iPad OS 18 that addressed the long list of issues that iPad pro users have. A a result I just bought the M2 10.9 iPad air. Non e of the issue were addressed so why should I get a pro iPad.

I agree with the os team probably being iOS devs, the iPad doesn’t need to be a full blown mac, but it should be a good fusion of iOS and MacOS at a limited level, it’s a complimentary device and it should excel well at that, period. But typing this on iPad Air from 2022 and I just can’t understand why an average guy would wanna spend money on a device that feels so much like an iPhone with larger screen unless for the fun of it of course. The OS needs real work done on it if they’re gonna appeal to anyone that’s not a student or an artist.

Ah I bought the 11” IPad Pro.. I’ll use it like it was an IPad Mini with steroids eheheh

Thanks for the review. I have the 13”, the Pencil and the keyboard. Very pleased!! I upgraded from my 2015 iPad and boy what a nice jump it’s been. Also got the Nano texture too and very happy with it as well. All good here!

I upgraded from the 2018 11” pro to the 13” pro and although the software is lacking I LOVE using this tablet so much! I am wanting to find a reason to use it all the time. So for me even though it was a ridiculously expensive purchase I am quite happy with it and will be using this for many years to come.

Yeah, the big major annoyance for me is file management. I can access files from my NAS and DAS and external SSDs but doing any file, disk and data management I have to use my Mac Mini. I want to use my iPad Pro as my mobile everthing and it is OK for that but would sure like the file, disks and data management to be seamless between my Mac Mini and my iPad Pro. I am going to try to stick with my iPad Pro 2018 until no sooner than spring 2025. Hopefully I can hold my impulse to upgrade until spring 2026. I really don't need the upgrade. The only things, if I start finding I really could use the Pencil Pro features for drawing then maybe.

I hate using dongles because I have to carry or lose them and some of them stopped working.

I learned to like the ipad, and I learned how to almost replace my laptop when traveling, and it made me realize what I really needed, at home I need ,a hopefully to be release soon, m4 Ultra studio, and when traveling the ipad 11 inch with the magic keyboard, the macbook pro is not needed anymore for me, but I will keep it stationary in my desktop until a new mac studio is released. Thanks for the video.

I think Apple doesn’t have a problem with the regular iPads. People seem to like to use them for what they are. A tablet. It’s the iPad Pros that are a hard sell! If you want to get real work done, just get a MacBook. Apple is scared that if they make the iPad any more of a computer, it’s going to eat into the regular MacBook sales. They are probably wrestling with that decision as to what to do. I would say if you can have a two in one device(tablet and computer), do it and charge people for it. Make the base MacBook cheaper than the iPad Pro as it will only be a computer without tablet functionality. This strategy would keep them both relevant. Obviously the Macs and MacBook Pro will have their place as the more powerful variant.

I already have m1 ipad pro, this year price also incresed for pro not for air, should i wait for next year m5 ipad pro ?? or buy this m4 one ?? because i think m5 ipad pro may have more than 8gb of ram + more than 10hr of battery + better camera specs... What all you recommend ???

I got one of those charging stands for my desk and it’s dope. I like that I can set my battery to limit to 80% and keep it charged all day but not kill the battery longevity.

Why no windows os on Samsung tab 9??

Love how it takes about 4 and a half minutes till he kind of starts talking about iPadOS TLDR: Files now supports formatting external drives, but still has no eject drive TLDR2: He basically talks all about what he wishes and thinks that Apple might squeeze in some QOL-Features like the Drive one to upsell people to nonetheless buy this piece of a KZfaq-Player.

I agree with a lot of your comments. If we are not getting dual boot perhaps we could have proper mirroring from the Mac to the iPad like the iPhone to the Mac. I would also like to have some sort of iPad desktop where I could park things while using the system. However, I do use my m4 13 inch most of the time and only use my intel iMac occasionally now.

I’m so glad Apple announced the new iPads within the 30 days of WWDC. I did purchase the one terabyte 13 inch and after the WWDC I finally realized that I’m still stuck with an iPad. So when we all ask a question what is Apple going to do with iPad, I suppose after asking the question for the last five years, we are still stuck with the same question in anticipation of next year‘s question which will be. What is Apple going to do with the iPad. The only advantage that we have is the return window policy that Apple gives us so we’re not stuck asking the question what is Apple going to do with the iPad?

Typo - 13" M3 iPad Pro?

My current iPad is an iPad Pro 10.5 inch from June 2017… I think I NEED an upgrade! 😢

I have an m2 pro MBP and the 13in m4 iPad Pro. I’ve used my iPad Pro than my Mac. I don’t do photo,video, or any complex editing. I’m just a simple ELA teacher so lesson plans, grading, and presentations is all I really do outside of content consumption 😅. I just wish the battery had been improved

I have a ipad 9th that lags when I play games and draw. So I’ll get the M4 so that I can use it for at least 5 years. Let’s hope it won’t start lagging as well. I use ipad as ipad. No keyboard, no mouse, no thing. Just the Apple Pencil and the ipad.

Awesome iPad video, BUT the ad for this charging stand is horrible - I own this charging stand for the 13" iPad Air and the magnets are too strong to even remove the iPad!!! I had to tape a piece of thick paper onto the stand to even remove the tablet by weakening it's grip. I have the swivel model and although using the pins to charge is great, this product fails because of these crazy magnets and also adjusting the stand is a nightmare because it is sooooo stiff!

I have an iPad air 5 and i installed iPad os 18 beta and it has a looooot of bugs the apple pencil is not working wright - the note pad is terrible to work with and i almost cant use my apple pencil now , at least don’t update to the iPad os beta !

Have the 11 inch replaced MacBook never going back can’t put it down always with me now love how light it is

This iPad hasn’t dimmed one singular time since I’ve started using it. This alone was worth the purchase. After YEARS of screens being hampered by heat dissipation, this was a huge win. I use it every single day. From Warzone gaming to tons of photo editing work in LR and PS. Amazing machine. Battery life is the only thing I miss. 11” iPad Pro user here.

Have the option of MacOS on iPad when its connected to a monitor.

I did have a 4k display and going back to 1080p was very nice for me!

I at least need the full Logic Pro and Final Cut experience on the iPad Pro. That means a lot of iPadOS updates. As you said, i want to listen to KZfaq videos and want to play my guitar over the music in Logic. Just like on the Mac. I want to open many plugin windows at once in Logic and resize them and position them on the screen. I want to see the needle in the compressor plugin move while i adjust the fader in the mixer...just like on the Mac...The missing PRO features go on and on....until then...the base iPad does the same. They really can't call the Ipad Pro a PRO device yet sadly. The only exception might be drawing on the iPad. I am very curios how a DAW works on one of the new Snapdragon touch surface windows laptops. Is there a full experience with touch? Can you make a video on that?

I got the M4 pro 11. The last ipad I used was the ipad air 2. I choosed the pro because air doesnt have oled display and 120 hz. I will use it 6-7 seven years. Great tablet 👍🏻

I upgraded my 11 inch iPad back about a month ago, but in my case I went from the 2018 model with 64gb of storage, to the M4 model with 256gb. I felt that was the best option, since my 2020 12.9 inch iPad Pro still works well, but it does have a lot more storage than my 11 inch model

What I’ve come to care about most when deciding for an upgrade is how it handles extended 120fps at extreme graphics with 75% brightness; how does this compare to the iPhone 15 Pro Max 1TB as another top end gaming phone for comparison. Also, I’d definitely watch an extended video about MagSafe phone and ipad coolers to keep the device healthy and the performance strong.

The eject button, that is all I want

Speaking of gimping the ipad software.. i found it very interesting, that, when i tried to navigate myself to a destination about an hour away, my ipad tethered to my cell data couldn't do it.. i could launch the navigation.. but it would like lag, or kinda freeze.. i would have to restart it multiple times during the drive which isn't optimal... and there was no real time navigation.. with location services on.. the thing was sometimes very far to the left and very far to the right in the map.. never knew where i exactly was... *this was with the new m4 pro ipad* i used my iphone, iphone 11 pro max.. which is like several years older then the ipad.. and i got a lot better navigation experience.. its not even a question... i would say its almost impossible to navigate with the new m4 ipad pro while driving...

You can get dual audio in certain iPad apps that support it.

So far it's been an overpriced replacement for my 8th gen iPad, but I love the larger screen and faster speeds, and plan on using this for many years to come, so I think in the end it will be worth the cost. I like that I can install MS Office on this and so I can use it somewhat for simple work tasks, and works for taking my iPad to meetings rather than disconnecting and dragging my laptop around.

1:13 13"M3 iPad pro vs 12.9" M2 iPad Pro?

I’m still using my 64 GB ipad pro 2018, 😢 thanks for the video unlike most apple YT channel you are very honest in your video 👏🏼👏🏼

An iPad can accomplish the vast majority of simple tasks like web, browsing, making notes doing reminders sending, and receiving emails paying your bills…. But if you want to use actual real hard-core software, it just doesn’t cut it. I use an iPad for most of my simple daily routines for many years but if you try to word process even programs like Microsoft Word or pages on the iPad don’t cut it compared to their desktop versions

Just bought an iPad Pro, M4 and it should be here very very soon

Tbh I would have stick to my m2 iPad Pro but needed more space so I got the m4 but 2tb version so I suspect is going to last me a few generations b4 upgrading

A kept hearing that the new iPad Pro wouldn’t have 5gUW BUT MINE CLEARLY STILL HAS IT

If iPad can install pyton or c# it will be awesome for students and programmers

I bought the new iPad Pro M4 just for the OLED screen, I’m all used to OLED technology, my OLED C3 my iPhone, my Nintendo Switch, I can’t see LCDs screens as good as before. And I came from the iPad Air 3rd Gen, so it’s a huge upgrade. I really don’t care the iPad OS, I only use my iPad for browsing and media, an now just a little bit of gaming, cuz the powerful M4. But I’m very satisfied to do the usual things I did with my previous iPad, but now with a stunning OLED screen.

Honestly the only reason I bought the M4 11 in iPad was for the oled screen. LCD strains my eyes for some reason. I’ve really been enjoying it but it’s ridiculous that Apple is crippling the device with iPad OS. They should give us a way to dual boot. Maybe even for a one time fee if it’s about the money. Would not be open to a subscription.

I just did the Kuxiu stand review on my channel .. pretty neat solution .. for being the world’s first magnetic stand that charges via iPad’s Smart Connector 😊

I’d have loved for more new features (Just give us support for VM’s please!) but it’s still the device I pick up and use most of the time, rather than my phone or a MacBook. I stream a lot of games to it too using Moonlight/Sunshine or an Elgato 4K X and the screen motion Claire feels so much better than the Mini LED ones.

I'm on the iPad pro 2017 model which is perfectly fine but apple isn't making iPadOS18 for it. So in way it's time to update

Wouldn’t be surprised, like there chips, there will be the basic version, then there will be a “Pro Version” software

The 13 pro is actually my first iPad ever, I’m a long time Mac user. While I do upgrade my iPhone every 2 years, I have been using my old reliable 2012 MacBook Pro, I’ve been holding off upgrading because I’ve been waiting Apple to make a MacBook with a touch screen as I felt it was the where the evolution if the laptop was heading. The iPad Pro is the closest I’ve seen so I finally took the plunge and switched!

I bought an 11” I am very happy with it but it is my first iPad. I use it as a media watcher around my house like I used to use my iPhone for as well as I’ve started tinkering with adobe fresco drawing things for my streaming channel. And it’s amazing for the trip I just took as a travel laptop, very convenient cause of its size for my carry one bag. Yes it’s limited but that’s what I have a PC for (I had a Mac mini but it’s on the shelf now for my gaming PC just does everything it can do and more) and it does enough to get me through the day or a small leisure trip tell I can get back to my desktop.

I am one who has decided to stick with my M1 iPad Pro. There just hasn't been enough upgrades IMHO to warrant the outlay of cash and until they get iPadOS to take advantage of the hardware I'm not going to upgrade. Well unless my current iPad dies or I break it but then I would seriously debate buying an M2 model vs. the M4 model or maybe just going to the larger iPad Air model.

Ive given up on iPad. Love the hardware and wish it could do mkrenbut never will. Will stick with my MacBook. I am intrigued about the new surface laptops and surface pro. Seems like a good 2 in 1

Bought an 11 and just bought a 13. Need both.

I brought a 13 inch M4 iPad for 2 reasons: 1. Because I just wanted a cellular iPad. My 11 M2 was great but I really wanted a 5G connection & regretted not getting it in the first place. 2. Because if I’m buying something new (to me) I’d prefer to be able to cover it with apple care. Other smaller reason’s like the new pencil, & wanting a larger size to reduce drawling fatigue.

We need more hotkeys in apps. We need proper drag / drop across the system and apps. We need WAY better stage manager with stuff like CMD+N for a new window of a certain app etc etc. There are some fruits that are SO low hanging, that it‘s just mind blowing that they’re not integrating those…

Love the iPad Pro M4 11“ except for the random „grainy“ issue while watching videos. It makes the best display into the worst occasionally!:-(

Who knows if Apple is working on a macOS version for iPad and they want to release it next year on the WWDC as a „one more thing“

I have a 2021 12.9" M1 iPad Pro (1TB) with Apple keyboard, and it does everything I need it to. Because of it, I don't use a laptop (but do run an M1 Max Mac Studio desktop). I've been an Apple guy since 1980, and I've always stayed pretty current with all my Apple gear, so I will likely upgrade my iPad at some point down the road. However, even the jump from M1 to M4 isn't yet compelling enough to do so. Probably get a few more years out of the M1, and hopefully, some continued refinement and new features in iPadOS along the way. Maybe when the M6 hits the streets? 😉

No terminal, no switching users = no buy.

You are right, I'm holding my m1 iPad, and waiting for m5 iPad, there's not much difference between these two, except performance.

I was interested to update my M1 iPad Pro to the M4... but the lack of iPadOS updates made my decision for me. Sticking with the M1

I am still rocking out with my M2 iPad... There was literally not a single reason worth paying that hefty price tag for.. even with trading in my M2.. the price was just way too steep. iPadOs def needs to be overhauled, but I dont know if I see that happening with them still investing in apps. I also think iPad lineup of devices is too crowded. they need to streamline their iPad lineup.

Watching this on my iPad 11 pro😊

I got an 11” M4, then decided to try the 13” M4. Returned the 11”, about to return the 13”. Absolutely beautiful machines, but not worth the money - I realized that iPadOS will not replace MacOS for me for productivity. Going to get an 11” iPad Air M2, and use the savings toward a MacBook. …honestly though, it will be hard to say goodbye to these amazing displays…

I just happens to check a video of a normal person using an Ipad 2018. He wanted a change but when try the m4, he realizes he does not need yet another tech because he already can do what he needs, on the 2018 version. IS like when I bought a laptop first time, mines do whatever I need it for. So I was not keen on change for another more new-ish, but then comes my birthday, so i receive a new laptop, is faster so i gonna keep it.

I'll always love iPads but I just got a new MacBook Air 13 m3 and it is just so much better than a tablet for actual work. I have the 12.9 M2, the mini and the 10th. I still use my Samsung galaxy s7 tab as a daily driver. Hard to let go of the android thing. I love both systems.

With the high prices Apple charges these days, trying to keep up with three devices is tough. Apple has made it easier for me to ditch one device. My iPad rarely gets used. I just go to my MacBook. I have no plans to upgrade the iPad.

Honestly at this point id be happy to pay for apple to enable dual boot between Ipad OS and Mac OS, heck make it so that you need the apple keyboard or special dock and it will work like a mac when docked.

You can get from A to B in a regular hatchback car, but BMW and Mercedes still sell a lot of cars

Totally agree, the M4 iPad Pro hardware is amazing, but at that price I need iPad OS to allow an iPad Pro to eject, repair, format and re-image external SSDs and memory cards, have complete freedom the sideload any apps I choose and not need to use the App Store, and be able to run virtual machines, with full access to the M series chips hypervisor etc. I will stick with my 12.9-inch iPad Pro for the time being, and money I had plan to spend on Apple products is now being used to buy a new Windows tablet computer.

Steam Deck Oled had a 1000 nit capable HDR OLED screen last year

i agree with you. ipados needs a lot of improvements

You need anti-aliasing filter for more realistic texture look

Not surprised at all with this feedback. Aside from the screen (which even that is a stretch), still no reason to upgrade if you have an M1 iPad or newer. Way too expensive for the whole package just to run iPad OS in its current state.