MacBook Pro 14 (2021) 8 vs 10 core: Music Production 🧐 Ableton Live speed test vs MacBook Air M1
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I compared the MacBook Pro 14 inch 8-core and 10-core M1 Pro models vs the MacBook Air M1 using Ableton Live, my favorite DAW. How do they stack up for music production? CPU performance tests and export speed comparisons yielded some interesting results! Should you get 8 core or 10 core MacBook Pro or stick with the MacBook Air M1? The setups:
MacBook Air M1 (LEFT)
8-core CPU, 8-core GPU
16GB RAM, 1TB SSD
MacBook Pro M1 Pro base model (MIDDLE)
8-core CPU, 14-core GPU
16GB RAM, 512GB SSD
MacBook Pro M1 Pro (RIGHT)
10-core CPU, 16-core GPU
16GB RAM, 512GB SSD
All machines are running Ableton Live 11.0.11 (regular, non-M1 optimized version). I tried beta 11.1 and performance was buggy and not really too different from the non-beta version. The beta also disabled a bunch of my plugins :(
Shot on iPhone 13 Pro & edited in Final Cut Pro on MacBook Pro 14 10-core
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0:00 so many cores, so little time
0:34 the song
1:06 CPU performance
2:40 export speed test
4:07 which M1 should you get?
6:18 8 or 10 core?
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@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Are you 8-core or 10-core squad? 🤔 Follow me: twitter.com/b3naqua + instagram.com/b3naqua Join my Discord: tiny.cc/b3ncord
@ShiggitayMediaProductions 2 жыл бұрын
#10CoreSquad!
@City2x 2 жыл бұрын
10CoreSquad
@stevengold 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, finally someone doing a practical test with an actual project file, and ableton too! Can't tell you how many tech youtubers I've seen duplicate one-note MIDI tracks with no plugins on them, saying "wooow, so it can handle 200 tracks" 🤦🏼♂lmao, how many tracks is this btw? It'd be interesting to see at what point these each max out, maybe a huge project with a full mixed track/vocal mix/master etc. The Macbook Air seemed like it was keeping up, so I'm considering just getting the Air, but the new MBPs look beautiful
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the Air is incredible! If you get the Air, def get 16gb. Peep the video at 0:34 for the track details!
@vasorotto19 2 жыл бұрын
@@b3naqua the 16gb macbook air costs 1400€ to me. The fact that the m1 pro 8 core costs only 500€ more left me undecided..
@DeadtownRejects Жыл бұрын
The most useful video I have seen on this topic! Using the specs of CPU speeds to show us real time projects and how they compare!!!
@camstanley Жыл бұрын
great vid was looking for something like this for so long thank you!
@b3naqua Жыл бұрын
Glad you found it! Thanks for watching 🤘🏼
@AlecaMonteiro 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I'm a beginner in music production and this year I got the M1 MBP 13" and I'm still in love with it. Not regretted. 😊
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! The 13 inch MBP is still amazing 👌🏼
@walesu.k.2108 2 жыл бұрын
Finally just the video I needed
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
yesss
@rgrgraterol 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tests. I’m interested to see how the m1 pro handles tracking with plugins with oversampling (i.e: neve preamp emulations etc) on ableton live beta 11 native m1 with as low buffer size as possible. I can’t find that anywhere. Would be nice if you can make such test.
@NOT_A_TOP_FAN 2 жыл бұрын
Picked up the 14" base model from Best Buy on launch day to test as I'm waiting for my 10 core w/ 32 GB of RAM to come in. My advice is to have a solid understanding of the efficiency (or lack thereof) in software you're going to be running. I am a print and graphics professional and there are a few programs I use heavily that really haven't been optimized yet for M1. And basically run the EXACT SAME on my old i5 Windows laptop (heck, maybe worse). However, there are others like the Affinity products, which have been optimized. So really just fully know your programs before spending a bunch of money THINKING you're going to see performance upgrades across the board when you may only see a few....until more software gets optimized...
@vladhaske6702 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Ben! Thanks for comparing!
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome!
@yeon1220 2 жыл бұрын
what software does people usually use on mac to record vocals? really feel like switching to a mac and am deciding between the air and 14'pro. also, is the 14'' really that thick and heavy in real life?
@thegreatgasby4845 2 жыл бұрын
Nice one. Thanks. Can you please compare fan noise between both new 14inch ? I bet that the fans kick louder on the 10-core one on big heavy tasks to provide higher performance. That's a thing to consider for music production. Please let us know !
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't heard the fans go off at all on either MBP! The only time I heard a fan go off was when I was exporting a video in Final Cut Pro. Other than that, it's been completely silent on all of my M1 machines!
@neocs193p 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a normal-light use battery comparison between the base 14" and the 10c/16g 14" M1-pro. Thanks.
@TouchWorld3G 2 жыл бұрын
yes please!
@g2k222 Жыл бұрын
I got a new MacBook Pro 14inch with 32 gigs of ram, 2tb ssd, and 8 cores. I am a high performance user, but I could not rationalize buying the 10 cores. Even besides the money factor, you are getting somewhat better battery life with the 8 cores and as most of my work does not require a few extra seconds for speed, I figured it would be better to save the $300. I was running logic off an old, but decked out i7 chip Mac (which apparently has 4 cores), and it was usually ok (believe it or not). I figure 8 will be great, and 10 would probably be overkill. Admittedly a lot of my work is in programming and only some of my work is in Logic Pro, really only if I were a exporting dozens of tracks a day I’d get the 10 core model
@AceArty23 2 жыл бұрын
I’m going to be buying the base 14” with the 8 core cpu mainly for Logic Pro x production, mixing/mastering. Do you think it’ll be a smooth experience? Thank you
@ticklish4948 2 жыл бұрын
This is maybe the only useful comparison videos for the new M1 Pro machines :D straight to the point, useful tests and not the overpowered M1 Max machines with the ridiculous price tags. Thank you!
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah! Glad you enjoyed it!
@Ivan_1986 2 жыл бұрын
To my eyes there is hardly any difference performance wise in this test. I mean MacBook Air uses just 5% more of the available CPU power? (35% vs 30% on M1 Pro 10-core version). Will be very interested to see how they compare when Ableton Live 11.1 is released with full M1 support. Great to see that MacBook Air performance is excellent. And it has no fans to think about in a studio environment…
@bvrbvs 2 жыл бұрын
this was halpful, thanks for taking the time for making ableton specific comparison. i really only need the M1 Air, but really it is the two ports that bother me. I have UAD thunderbolt audio interface, 2 external screens, and just with that it is 3 ports. My current MBP 2018 has room for all of that, so will feel like stepping backwards. Suprised by the small difference between 10 and 8 core! 8 core seems more then enough. no client of mine needs the export a couple of seconds faster :)
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
The extra ports on the MBP are 🔥
@rllymarlon4886 2 жыл бұрын
DANMN, thanks for the review!
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you dug it!
@GeneralSigh Жыл бұрын
Absolutely phenomenal breakdown
@b3naqua Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@medvedovsky Ай бұрын
nice review bro! I have a question and cannot find online about the core distribution. I wanna get buy MacBook Pro 14 (2021) 8 core for music production and I see 6 WORK 2 EFFICIENCY, instead of 8 CORE , 4 WORK 4 EFFICIENCY at other M1s.
@soulinspiration1 2 жыл бұрын
Great Job!!
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👽
@WavesOfAwesome 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the amount of plugins/tracks you could run on each before they start to stutter would be much different?
@FCTHETRUTH 2 жыл бұрын
My Guy Ben Aqua always delivers quality content!!! Never Stop Bro!
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
That's what's up 🙏🏼 love your vids too!
@Selecticism 2 жыл бұрын
At First, thanks a lot for this Video, i was desperately waiting for someone dropping his opinion on the new macbooks with ableton. I am about to upgrade to the MBP 14" - either the base model or the one with 1tb of storage and 10 cores for 2750€(The one without the bigger ssd is just not available in germany). I also got a nord stage, so i am playing pretty much everything live and am reliant on keeping the buffer down to 64 samples max - do you think the base model could handle this without clipping, even in bigger projects?
@ankushsharma8061 Жыл бұрын
get base model! I hope you've already got the mac till now..xd , so which one did you got? 8 core or 10 core?
@User-ik2kc 2 жыл бұрын
This is the content we need!
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Yesss 🙏🏼
@mperson91 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid! Would be great to test latency with real time audio plugins such as autotune
@streetninja510 2 жыл бұрын
I’d really like to see this same comparison but with pushing ableton way harder with more vsts and effects etc! I’m curious if the performance difference for playback is more significant with more intense workload or still the same only 5% better efficiency for playing back big project files.
@Screaming-Trees 2 жыл бұрын
That would actually be getting to the heart of the matter yes. A live, production situation where you're having to drop in and out of the session with a mixed workload (VSTs, hardware, lots of vocals work and overdubs etc etc) that all have to done at a very low buffer settings for latency reasons. I think though there would be far less difference here because these types of compute loads are are limited by single core performance. You can't for example distribute a channel strip with all its associated sends across multiple cores rather it has to all go on one core. This is true for every DAW. More cores will give you the capacity to do more channel strips (new tracks with their own channel strips loaded I mean) but the lowest common denominator will always be single core performance. That will determine just how much you can load up your channel strips and you'll want to find out where the balance is (between buffer size and how much processing you need during live production). For mix/post this is all going to look a little different because the requirements are different. You can raise the buffer for one which will alleviate the pressure a lot since low latency operation is not a requirement in post. The export test is kind of worthless to us because we print through hardware so you can't do an offline bounce anyway. And for any studio this is the least important performance indicator.
@RemmyMusic1 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly these videos are hilarious. As if 10 tracks and some vsts is pushing the computer. my 2018 mbp not even specced out can do 40+ tracks with hundreds of VSTs scattered. I want to see someone x3 that and show the performance.
@Screaming-Trees 2 жыл бұрын
@@RemmyMusic1 There are plenty of those kinds of videos out there. Avail yourself of them. 10 tracks and some VSTs could be pushing the computer. Try running 10 instances of U-he Diva on "Divine" at 32 buffer and then let's talk about 10 tracks not pushing the computer.
@josephstingley1961 2 жыл бұрын
@@Screaming-Trees Great write up, thanks for the info. Do you think for music production (running demanding vst's) money is better spent on maxing out the processor or upgrading 16 to 32 gigs of ram?
@Screaming-Trees 2 жыл бұрын
@@josephstingley1961 Thanks. Ahm, I would say CPU if you're running things like Diva and other CPU intensive synths and plugins. The only time I'd consider RAM over CPU is if my workloads were sample heavy. And by that I mean large orchestral composition use-cases. The storage on these new Macbooks is incredibly fast and can stand in for memory if you run out. In most cases you probably won't even notice it. There is an Apple event just around the corner (Tuesday next week I think) so if you made it this far you might as well wait and see what they release. Everyone is speculating about the new Mac Mini with these M1Pro and max chips inside. This should lower the price point significantly over the laptops which are pretty pricey to get into and are also unfortunately the only entry point into these new chips. Who knows you might be able to snag both CPU and RAM :).
@saardean4481 2 жыл бұрын
would LOVE this comparison BUT including the mbp 16 inch Intel from 2019 . 6 or 8 core . This is what I would be more curious about. These three are very new machines and very near performance wise as I see.
@sergirod34 2 жыл бұрын
It would be awesome if you could make another Ableton video with the Ableton beta for the M1 and exporting stems
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
That would be cool except the beta disabled most of my VSTs 😭 and performance isn’t rly that different from the normal version in my experience
@alemusicgirl 2 жыл бұрын
audio export is the less of the problem bro... i can definetly live with the fact that my mixdown will take 5 minutes or 10 more to be exported .. What reall y matters is the vst handling capacity ....what vst did u use? were CPU intensive? Omnisphere, pigments, arturia 5 collect, diva, massive x ... all those are vst to test because they are cpu intensive, please do another test if u can
@Tatonka88 2 жыл бұрын
I know traditionally audio dsp is mainly single core process, what makes M1 different? How does it take advantage of the multiple cores?
@feikeuphoff4309 2 жыл бұрын
What’s about thermal throttling on the air, is that an issue?
@Renedefuego 2 жыл бұрын
how's the macbook air m1 for live ableton performance? just using wav sequences, 1 midi and 4 live instruments going in
@olanmccarthy109 2 жыл бұрын
Hi , great video🔥. I have a question about the 14 inch 8 core base model. I am a beginner when it comes to music production but I want to invest In this laptop as it has more to offer in terms of ports and screen resolution, and Im wondering if I was to run logic pro on it ,would it be enough to do music production with plenty of tracks and pluggins? And also would you recommend it for music production? I would basically be recording guitar and keys and using logic for drums and making full tracks/songs and hoping to get more advanced in music production.
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Olan! Yes, I think the base model is awesome for music production, especially if you're just getting started out, or even for way more complex projects once you get the hang of it.
@olanmccarthy109 2 жыл бұрын
@@b3naqua Thank you so much for replying. I think I might go with the 8 core model. Great video and thanks again 👍
@HansSabastian 2 жыл бұрын
Bennnnnnnn! Awesome review as always.
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Hans!
@mootsym 2 жыл бұрын
Solid video and I appreciate it! If anyone could give me some input I’d appreciate it. I’m looking to get back into recording synth-based stuff.. some virtual, some hardware. I’ve been waiting for these pros to dive back in. Not sure if regular M1 would be more than enough, if I should go base 14” with 16gb ram, or upgrade to 10 cores or 32gb. Anyways. Are you familiar with Arturia V-collection? Their models of vintage synths has always had my attention. Also looking into Omnisphere. Idk if something like those (or those specifically) would bog down the computer. Are V collection and Omnisphere considered ram or cpu-hogging sample-based virtual instruments? Even the newest Reason too.. I’m sure you could load samples stuff, but idk how intensive various instruments are considered, let alone with several playing at once. What if I had 20 tracks of these v synths or sampled instruments recorded in logic with a handful of plugins on each track? .. Is that considered intensive or not so much? I’m so out of the game, especially with midi and plug-ins. Only experience I have is hardware synths and running Reason 4 on a 2008 MacBook for playing live sets lol
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'm familiar w the Arturia collection, but it's tough to say exactly how much these MBPs could handle, esp w all the different possible configurations. I will say tho, even the base MBP 14 handles some pretty chunky Ableton files pretty damn well, and Live isn't even M1-optimized yet. So Logic will be even better!
@CargoShorts7 Жыл бұрын
Does this still hold true a year later for Logic Pro X/Ableton Live? I’m a musician looking to upgrade from my 2013 MacBook Pro. I’ve never really delved deep into home recording and finally want to,l. I’d love to be able to record my full band and do some solo recording, but I’m not a full on professional per se. Would you say the 10 core cpu 14 inch MacBook Pro is worth the extra cost, or settle for the base 8 core 14 inch MacBook Pro? Thanks!
@b3naqua Жыл бұрын
I think you’d be ok w the base model 14” tbh, but if you have the $, upgrade it as much as you can
@rola8597 Жыл бұрын
are both of these M1 pros are in space grey?
@MuddySump 2 жыл бұрын
For 99% of users the 13” M1 is more than enough power. I was waiting for the new ones coming out but got sick of waiting and got the 13” MacBook Pro M1 and had no problems with it. The screen can be a bit small sometimes but if I’m at home I plug it into an external 27” monitor. The extra ports would be nice but I’m sure people are still going I use a dongle instead of having wires sticking out all over the laptop.
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the 13” is a beast!
@loganlosee6933 2 жыл бұрын
I make dubstep and use dozens of wavetable synths, cpu intensive vst processing on all of them. Sometimes 100+ tracks. Do you think the difference will be larger here?
@skipstream2 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. The test didn’t push enough. They’ll all use about same cpu if not pushed hard
@maze400 2 жыл бұрын
I use Affinity photo as well as photoshop and Lightroom. I was looking for this comparison. I would not be happy with any lag while doing adjustments. MBA base, MBP 14" Base or level up of each? I do not shoot video and a caveat, I have never used a mac..... I was also thinking about the Samsung Pro 360 (Stylus has it's appeal) plus 16gigs and a TB drive.
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Photoshop runs really smoothly on these new MBPs, finally. Lightroom is pretty smooth as well, tho not quite as snappy as Photoshop, in my experience
@gswaymusic 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that instructive video. As a music producer, i hesitate between the 8C/32g and the 10C/16g (i can't afford to get the 10C/32g), and i want to keep my laptop for 5 years at least. What do you think?
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Hmm I'd lean towards 8c/32gb ram personally. 32gb ram could make a huge difference for music apps. Either one of those options will be totally beast mode tho.
@TG1417 2 жыл бұрын
I'm in the same boat as you. Which one did you end up going for cuz I can't figure out if I should get any one of those options or just go base.
@gswaymusic 2 жыл бұрын
@@b3naqua Great!. The 8c/32g was my first idea. I'm pretty sure now thanks to you Ben.
@chrisfaux3769 Жыл бұрын
One thing to notice is the macbook air will run really hot if you produce for long periods of time. Sometimes it can become uncomfortable typing on the keyboard which is why I decided to upgrade to the 14".
@noturbiz4670 2 жыл бұрын
At the time of recording Ableton wasn't optimized for Apple Silicon yet. They have recently released an update which optimized Ableton for apple silicon. It would be great if you can do an update with this version!
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Just updated! Thanks for the video idea! I'll see what I can cook up
@iBryant 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I would like an updated review as well. I’m looking to get a laptop to produce on the go and this will really help me come to a decision. Also keep up the great work!!!🙌🏼
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
@@iBryant noted! The 14 inch MBP is an incredible mobile studio 👏🏼
@mishakmusic 2 жыл бұрын
big question are you using the ableton 11.1 beta optimized for M1, or regular ableton 11?
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Regular. Check the video description for setup info
@slowdeath3856 2 жыл бұрын
I feel vaguely guilty pushing this since I hyped Live to you many moons ago, but man I have never regretted switching to Bitwig, and it's Mac Silicon Native as well. I can't imagine the havoc you'd cause with the modulators...
@CrisGarcia6 Жыл бұрын
I am looking for a video of Logic Pro's Integrated Dolby Atmos Mixing CPU Test.
@osmanhat5744 2 жыл бұрын
What are the rams on these
@arpangoswami251 2 жыл бұрын
Hey bro! Please do 'pubg new state' test in both macbook M1 pro ( 8core vs 10 core ) please....for all rounder which mac between above mentioned CPU's u would recommend?!!
@joesalyers 2 жыл бұрын
I have found that Dolby mixes benefit more from the M1 pro/max versus the M1 the neural engine is a huge benefit in Logic Pro for Dolby mixes but you lose that benefit if you run Logic in Rosetta mode. Dolby mixes use nearly 5 times more CPU processing compared to normal stereo mixes and 2x more CPU compared to standard 5.1 surround mixes.
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting! Good to know. Thanks
@bigdap100 2 жыл бұрын
Hey bro, I’ve been asking people to compare the computer speeds at 192k for max quality, if you decide to do it thanks in advance. Thanks for the video.
@everychild9473 2 жыл бұрын
hey dude, i´m going to buy the macbook air after your video! Thanks for you comparison. Could you recomend me an usb hub for the air where i can plug my interface, midi keyboard and a external screen? THANKS! :)
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
I'd recommend this one: amzn.to/3xs1Mzm
@mbvglider 2 жыл бұрын
To me, export times are completely unimportant, but it's easy to enjoy having more connectivity and more screen space. Still, though, this is almost an advertisement for the M1 Air more than anything, heh. To be able to get that kind of usable music production performance out of a computer that starts at $849 refurbished is insane, considering you can make up for at least some of its deficiencies by plugging in an external USB-C monitor that also is able to charge your laptop.
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! The Air M1 is still a total beast.
@PrezenceMusic33 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! Would be cool to see you duplicate the tracks and see what it takes to overload these machines, and compare different buffer sizes. What I’ve found is that ableton will hang around that 30-40% cpu mark until you really start to push it, and then that’s where the differences become more apparent. For example my old 15” mbp would choke at about 40-50% cpu while my M1 air can push to 60-70% before you start to hear audio dropouts.
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting! I'm curious about seeing what type of track setup would actually start to bog this amazing machine down too.
@ignskeletons 2 жыл бұрын
As an absolute beginner with a modest budget this video helped me a lot. I think I'll be fine now just going with a base-model 2020 Macbook Air M1. The performance isn't THAT much different from the newer model that's twice as expensive. Also, as a beginner I won't be doing that much intensive stuff in Ableton 11 so I hope I don't run into bottlenecks!
@ignskeletons 2 жыл бұрын
An extra $1000 seems to only shave off about 20 seconds in time when you compile your finished song lol
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah you should totally be fine w the 2020 MBP! I’d recommend getting 16gb ram to future-proof it a bit. Extra ram comes in handy for Ableton and a lot of other apps 👌🏼
@proddavidoh3266 2 жыл бұрын
I would say wait because m2 air is coming out (mid-late) next year. Work with what you have now as an beginner save extra money then get the m2.
@KingjayProductions52 Жыл бұрын
Yes bro this is what I needed thanks God no one had ableton live version do more
@b3naqua Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah glad you dug it!
@mikedubz5576 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben. Nice video you have there. I need your thoughts on the m1 first gen. Here in Montreal Canada people are selling their 13 inch for quite cheap in order to swap for the New one i guess. Now here it goes,,,, I found a almost New 30 cycles on the battery 13 inch m1 16gb 500gb ssd for 1700 canadian dollars New at the Store its like 2200 +15% tax. Since you use the lower spec compared to the 13 inch iMac m1 you think its a smart Move to shoot for the 13 mi first gen for Light use on ableton (trying to learn it) and use with traktor 3 djing? Or should i Just cough the hard Cash 3000 and get the 14 or 16 base model with the 32 gb ram? If i get the first gen would i be buying paper weight and Risk having to sell and spend more in the end or it Will be sufficient. I buy Mac cause i buy once every 5-6 years. I run a maxed to the Gill late 2012 without issues ever. My only thought is to start learning how to produce some tracks if i can that is........
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
The 14 or 16 MBP will be more future-proofed and feature-rich, but if you're on more of a budget that 13 inch M1 is an excellent deal and should provide plenty of power.
@moviekidtechlife 2 жыл бұрын
How is the fan noise ? Is it quiet when at full tilt as for music and recording audio it’s really important it’s quiet
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
No fan noise! The only time I heard a fan go off is when I was exporting 4K video once
@Skyeward01 2 жыл бұрын
@@b3naqua this is good to hear. What size of projects are you running, and at what buffer size? I'm curious because I use Ableton for home recording, and for live performance, so I need to keep as low a buffer size as possible, like 64 ideally. But on my 2014 15" MBP, that really limits how much I can do in my sets. And the fans are ALWAYS going. Right now, my solution to this is I've sequestered ye old MBP to the closet and long cables run around the room to my monitor/desk. I'm so traumatized by the fan noise that I've considering the new 16", simply because it looks like it's fans run much lower/quieter in the stress tests. Buuut I don't know if i'd ever be doing anything that would push the new machines to that point, so maybe the 14 would be fine. thanks!
@ks_2848 2 жыл бұрын
As a musician who produces their own music without any major EDM-like production going on, would anyone have input on whether I should get a M1 mbpa (16/1tb), or a 14” m1pro mbp (16/1tb)? It would be a $625 price difference. Do all of the upgrades justify that? I’m looking to plug into a single external monitor anyway in clamshell mode.
@JoelVega 2 жыл бұрын
Does macbook air gets very hot when using it for music production because there is no cooling system? That's one of my concerns other than the lack of ports. Right now during the sale season macbook air 16/512 is 1000$ cheaper than the new 14 one in my country lol. Performance-wise I think all of these are gonna surprise me because I still use a Dell laptop from 2010 😂
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
The Air can get warm but it hasn't ever really gotten hot for me. Sometimes it can get pretty warm when it's charging.
@emilkey12 2 жыл бұрын
I know i'm a bit late, but the close performances are probably down to the mastering chain. As that one needs to be processed on one core either way, it's kind of the bottleneck of that project. If you'd delete the plugins on the master bus, the performance benefit of the 10 core model should be clearer.
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Good info! Thanks
@HectorMJZ 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure if I missed it, but is this on current Ableton 11 or Ableton 11 Beta for M1?
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Ableton 11.0.11, not the beta. I forgot to mention that in the video oops! I'll add it to the description.
@HectorMJZ 2 жыл бұрын
@@b3naqua Dope, thanks. I heard the M1 Beta version of Ableton makes a huge difference as well.
@AC-wl7ve 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t like how the air doesn’t have fans. My 2013 mbpr started running really hot after a few years of use and I’ve managed to keep it from melting itself using a fan control app.
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah having the fans on the MBP is nice.
@danieltalebi1040 2 жыл бұрын
It doesn't really need the fans. It's a low wattage chip. The pro is for people who need fans for sustained workloads. For regular consumers, it's nice to have a cheaper and quieter option.
@mbvglider 2 жыл бұрын
Not having the fans means the computer doesn't rely on fans to keep cool. Fans are a moving part that get less efficient after a while. Your 2013 MBP started running hot because the fans wore out or got dirty and couldn't work as efficiently anymore. If anything, this means the Air will probably run optimally for longer, whereas the fans on the Pros might start to lose performance after a while.
@AC-wl7ve 2 жыл бұрын
@@danieltalebi1040 I just like to have the option to cool things down if it starts heating up. You know the more heat in your machine is just going to do more and more damage over time.
@plasmativa6089 2 жыл бұрын
hey Ben do you hear a difference between the headphone jack of the mac air and the 14"?
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Not really. They both have really similar sound and overall characteristics. The 14 does have an updated adaptive amplification system tho that supports higher impedance headphones.
@plasmativa6089 2 жыл бұрын
@@b3naqua danke
@alecdiastra 2 жыл бұрын
I have the 14 base and ableton is SOOO smooth.. What Matrix screensaver is that in the background>
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Nice! The screen saver is a Matrix one I found on KZfaq.
@alecdiastra 2 жыл бұрын
@@b3naqua so its not a screensaver just a video running fullscreen?
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@WestonStephens 2 жыл бұрын
Great fng video 🙌 you get it
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Wes!
@johnnyvim8284 2 жыл бұрын
What about ram? Still wondering if 16 or 32 would be the best for music production
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
The more ram the better! But 16 is awesome on its own, and 32 is even better.
@jayvansickle7607 2 жыл бұрын
If you're looking at a 1TB MB Pro 14in....and have to choose between 32GB RAM / 8 Core or 16GB /10 Core.... is one better than the other?
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
I’d get more ram
@seppsepp9699 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben, my company gives a special offer (-20%), but the choice is only between 14inch 8/14/16GB/521GB or 10/16/16GB/1TB. Delta $500. As I don't think I'll need the extra cores it's $500 for the 512GB more. What do you think after testing these machines?
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
I'd get the extra cores tbh. You never know when you might need that little bump in performance.
@seppsepp9699 2 жыл бұрын
@@b3naqua In a tinge of mental derangement, I've ordered the 14inch 10/16/16GB/1TB in silver over the Base Model. 🙃🤒🤕😱It's Crazy, but with anticipation of getting it hopefully soon. Not even my OLED TV was such expensive. Anyhow, sometimes you gotta do crazy things. The fact that I'll get it with a 20% discount relieves the pain. 😁😀. Thanks for your advice.
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
@@seppsepp9699 20% off makes that a nuts deal, considering the power and awesomeness 🔥 congrats!
@AvatarSmoker 2 ай бұрын
Been using base 8gb RAM M1 Air for 3 years now. Been pretty good but with bigger projects (7+min 50+tracks) it’s not handling that well. It is throttling and is unusable, unable to finish the projects even at 1024 buffer size. Definitely at least update the RAM, but if you have longer sessions, get the PRO models. I’m updating to unbinnee M3 Pro and I can’t wait
@b3naqua 2 ай бұрын
100% agreed. 16gb is the minimum I'd go with for any M1 or above models tbh, esp if you're editing video/photo/music etc
@user-co2bq6cg6w Жыл бұрын
Wondering if 16g of computer RAM is enough in music production？
@b3naqua Жыл бұрын
Depends on how many simultaneous layers/channels your music has, but I’m able to run Ableton with 16gb pretty smoothly
@eranddroory9987 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid. Ableton isn't optimized very well for multicore usage. That explains why ithe air is not far behind, logic and Reaper would show bigger difference than ableton and cubase..
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
truth
@virmandigiman288 Жыл бұрын
I would love have a 16 Inch mac book air with m2 chip... Omg no fans big screen big sound system and enough power for everything
@UmarFarooqUrduPictureTutorials 2 жыл бұрын
Is there a difference in performance for day to day tasks between the 10-Core M1 Pro vs the 8-Core M1?
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Not really. Both are blazingly fast ⚡️
@cmgerner 2 жыл бұрын
With the amazing performance of the M1 Air, Don´t you think for what you do this new macbook 14" is too overkill?
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
To me, the MBP to me is the sweet spot between performance and functionality (extra ports, better display, etc). M1 in general is overkill for most people, but I will say the faster export speeds on the MBP are def welcome 👍🏼
@cmgerner 2 жыл бұрын
@@b3naqua Thanks Ben!
@cmgerner 2 жыл бұрын
@@b3naqua Another quick question haha, I make ghost producing for living, as well as some video editing and stuff I currently have a M1 Mac Mini and handles everything i throw at it, but lately i started to travel more and i was wondering what would be the best option for me: Get an ipad mini 6 or 11" M1 to companion my mac mini with LunaDisplay or a Remote Desktop, or sell the mini and get a m1 macbook air 16gb or get the air and the ipad idk im so conflicted. 14" macbook is out cause i cant afford it haha... What do you think?
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
@@cmgerner if you're wanting a more mobile setup tbh I'd sell the mini and get an Air M1 w/ 16gb + iPad mini 6. That would be a sick setup 🔥
@JohnSmith-zl8rz 2 жыл бұрын
the 10 core is more louder, noisy? than the 8?
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
same noise level from both
@adenosinetriphosphate6167 2 жыл бұрын
what was the battery difference between the 8 core and 10 core?
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
about the same
@adenosinetriphosphate6167 2 жыл бұрын
@@b3naqua thanks :) could you please do a light usage battery comparison? like web browsing, youtube, video calls, pages/microsoft word documents, etc.
@Kibwunga 2 жыл бұрын
Something that nobody is doing here. Compare the memory upgrade with moving from a cord to 10 core. I ordered 32 gig on my 8 core 14 inch MacBook Pro. I think that’s actually going to relieve more of a bottleneck than the CPU. I have a feeling the eight core for most purposes with 32 gig of RAM, will benchmark right in the realm or maybe even a little better than the 10 core with 16 gig.
@amostech5820 2 жыл бұрын
That's one thing I was wondering myself. The 8 to 10 core difference doesn't seem too substantial, but the doubling of the RAM is something I suspect will have much greater an impact, especially with Ableton.
@Kibwunga 2 жыл бұрын
@@amostech5820 More Ram = less caching to the SSD. Makes the SSD live longer.
@raf5.132 2 жыл бұрын
Duuude. Every time I read your name I remember Acqua’s Barbie Girl music.
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
wrapped in plastic, it's fantastic
@throughzer0896 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, cool vid, struggling to see a reason to get more than an air, is yours 8 or 16gb ram?
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
16 🔥
@effext1 2 жыл бұрын
@@b3naqua Are all three 16gb?
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
@@effext1 yup
@josephsofaer841 2 жыл бұрын
The M1 air is a beast for its class (ultra book).
@alginyes 2 жыл бұрын
Went with the 10 core 16 gpu 16gb - Logic Pro producer.
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome setup!
@MikeOst 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!11
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
@CRASS2047 Жыл бұрын
Man, I’m a Logic user. But I wish Logic looked as good as Ableton.
@applemagsafe 2 жыл бұрын
New Video Uploaded and I be like: GO ASAP AND COMMENT (btw I listened to your music on Apple Music 🎵)
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
yasss notification squad 🙏🏼 thanks for peeping my music too!! I appreciate all the support!
@applemagsafe 2 жыл бұрын
@@b3naqua 😊
@anon_forever 2 жыл бұрын
I would only choose the pro because of the screen. Everything else is either meh or bad. More fan noise, heavier, less battery, more expensive.
@ronaldguzman5216 Жыл бұрын
hello, hasn't your macbook screen broken?
@b3naqua Жыл бұрын
nah, the wallpaper makes it look like it is lol, but it's not
@aquinoj99 2 жыл бұрын
I’m just here for the shenanigans.
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Same
@thomaspipermusic 2 жыл бұрын
Are you using the beta ?
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Nah the standard version. The beta is too buggy rn
@thomaspipermusic 2 жыл бұрын
@@b3naqua Ok. I would love to see that. Cause beta version is optimized for M1 running a universal binary not rosetta emulation. This way you can really have a idea what the m1 can do. That is why you are not seeing too much difference between machines. The newest version of the beta is a little more stable (not Much but more stable LOL)
@lordofstringss 2 жыл бұрын
Increasing track count should tell a different story
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
tru
@zeuslgn 2 жыл бұрын
I don't need portability so I'm gonna wait for the Mini, Max it out, and pay half as much as these MBP's.
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Smart
@halfalligator6518 2 жыл бұрын
your loss without a mobile porno machine 🤣
@zeuslgn 2 жыл бұрын
@@halfalligator6518 Ain't that what tablets are for? 🤣
@bhavearth 2 жыл бұрын
i would say 8core for me as its the cheapest and spend extra $ on fast external SSDs
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Do it! The base model is insane.
@TheSgyro 2 жыл бұрын
M1 air macbook is all the speed i need.. 😂 Waiting for the nxt model to get this one at a better price.
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Smart! The next Air is going to be 🔥
@alazul14 Жыл бұрын
Dont forget the battery as well. M1 Macbook pro 14 lasts very long
@b3naqua Жыл бұрын
True, tho I’ve had mixed results with battery life tbh. Sometimes it’s good and other times it’s like….that’s it? Lol
@MadelnMachines 2 жыл бұрын
16gb or 32gb ram?
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
16
@coreymatthews7144 2 жыл бұрын
Is an audio interface even needed with the new M1 pro if you’re just producing music?
@sennenpound6815 2 жыл бұрын
yes, as a producer you are going to want to be able to plug in a multitude of microphones, something that is not possible without an audio interface. The new ports are nice though (or should i say re-born ports?...)
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
If you're plugging in any instruments, mics, etc, then yes, you'll need some type of audio interface, mixer, etc
@keith_pictures 2 жыл бұрын
What about fan noise and battery differences between M1 pro cores?
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
Good Q! I'm working on some battery tests rn. Sub and stay tuned!
@BlueTenorSax 2 жыл бұрын
@@b3naqua I am curious to know about fan noise and battery life between 8 core and 10 core too
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
I posted a new video where I talk about fan noise and battery life: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hrmbpZRpva2mg2w.html
@casshern2155 2 жыл бұрын
Have you seen a major improvement-with 10 core vs 8
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
I talk about that in this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hrmbpZRpva2mg2w.html
@sashko-fomin 2 жыл бұрын
The video is yet another proof that for music production the single core performance is way more important than the number of cores. The performance difference across the models is just negligible.
@b3naqua 2 жыл бұрын
yeah it’ll be interesting to see how performance changes when Ableton finally had a stable M1-optimized version
@dominikwujek4126 Жыл бұрын
man thats barely a difference. thanks! 8 cores well enough
@b3naqua Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Yeah, 8 cores is plenty for most people imo
@rexeffect7122 2 жыл бұрын
However you cut it, they all have the same m1 chip. The base m1 is keeping up with M1 pro. For $2000 less, I can wait an extra 30 seconds For rendering the audio. Lol, actually in theory, the price tag of the M1 pro 32gb ram cpu usage should have been around 15% and not almost the same percentage as the base Mac book air m1 . That’s a head scratcher.
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