MacBook Pro with M1 Pro and M1 Max review: laptop of the year

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Apple’s new MacBook Pro 14 and MacBook Pro 16 are a triumphant success - they have excellent performance, stunning battery life, useful ports, and incredible displays. The only knock against them is you’re going to pay a lot for all that good stuff.
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0:00 Intro
0:26 Specs & prices
0:51 Design & hardware
3:08 Mini LED Display (and the notch)
7:32 Speakers
8:00 Processors
9:22 Benchmarks
12:27 Gaming
13:38 Video Editing
16:06 Final Cut Pro
16:33 After Effects
17:03 Battery life
19:37 M1 Pro vs M1 Max
20:32 Conclusion
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@googleone5867 2 жыл бұрын

*These Macbooks were off the charts!* _Proceeds to show a chart_

@eyeofthetiger7 2 жыл бұрын

It would be great if someone would actually say that line and then show results that literally go off the chart

@bazzers 2 жыл бұрын

"...at least they _were_ off the charts, until we performed the elementary task in chart-making of scaling the chart axes to accommodate the data we wanted to display. And frankly, even this was an automatic feature of the chart-making software we were using. In many practical senses, these numbers were _never_ off the charts. The Verge apologies for our misleading statement of 45 seconds ago."

@slapmynutz 2 жыл бұрын

facts bro. smh.

@AugmentedGravity Жыл бұрын

@@eyeofthetiger7 have seen that

@jimjamkillsnerds 2 жыл бұрын

'M1 Macs" vs "M1 Max" is going to be a problem

@Timeculture 2 жыл бұрын

@Tony who ordained it the proper term?

@jimjamkillsnerds 2 жыл бұрын

@Tony “oh it’s apple silicon? nice. so do you have the m1 pro or the m1 macs?”

@jslberto 2 жыл бұрын

@@jimjamkillsnerds you meant M1, M1 Pro, or M1 Pro Max? Either way no serious person is going to hang up on it unless they’re one of those simpletons looking for a serious problem where it doesn’t exist

@sonalmaheshwari6174 2 жыл бұрын

I feel like Apple is overusing the words 'Pro' and 'Max' and they've started to feel cheesy now.

@srirachahero4679 2 жыл бұрын

If i had the money, i’d buy an Apple M1 Max Mac. But i may need multiple Apple M1 Max Macs. If I had multiple Apple M1 Max Macs, I would distribute my workload among them thereby Maximizing my use of my Apple M1 Max Macs. (i could really go for a Big Mac right about now).

@Gilengland 2 жыл бұрын

Okay 'The Verge'. This is an amazing presentation. Multiple personalities who know what they are speaking about. Beautifully shot and edited. All angles of the product plus answering your audience's questions. Perfect review

@brailrice 2 жыл бұрын

Personalities? They all appear void of that. They all look like avatars and act like programmed AI.

@Ashley_Dale 2 жыл бұрын

Also they only do " amazing presentation" for Apple products only, look at the Pixel 6 review, the " amazing presentation" is not so amazing.

@dandansfu 2 жыл бұрын

But sadly will still get less views than other reviews such as ijustin

@jonathanbaird 2 жыл бұрын

@@Ashley_Dale: Sales and views matter to publications like this. Like it or not, Apple products sell and are used more than Google's Pixel line of devices. Nothing against Pixel, but they haven't been as ubiquitous up until this point.

@Yeeeeaaaanoooo 2 жыл бұрын

@@Ashley_Dale which videos are going to get more views? Apple reviews. Production puts all their chips in making those the best because it will give the most in return. Makes all the sense in the world from a production standpoint.

@lomarvgc1580 2 жыл бұрын

Fun fact the maxed out M1 MAX 16” is is cheaper that the maxed out i9 Intel 16”

@arn999 2 жыл бұрын

They don’t have to pay Intel a bunch of money I suppose

@zinedinezethro9157 2 жыл бұрын

When apple have better performance and cheaper than intel, u know something is wrong with Intel

@andrewnibbi 2 жыл бұрын

See I know this, because I just maxed out a 16” Intel i9 last year and now I’m crying.

@codeisawesome369 2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewnibbi Oh man, am I sorry for you. Any luck on the secondary market to recoup that investment?

@kninezbanks 2 жыл бұрын

@@arn999 Why does everyone keep dissing just intel? Apple ditched AMD too for all their high end gpus, much better perf/watt for all new MacBook pro 16s, Imac/Imac Pros, Mac pros etc. So for Apple, it's no more Intel....and AMD tax.

@MetalJesusRocks 2 жыл бұрын

I’m a heavy Final Cut user and so this is extremely tempting, but I’m still waiting for a 27” iMac Pro version of the M1. Very exciting times for us video editors!

@Anmol_Kamo 2 жыл бұрын

Bruh they discontinued the imac pro in march

@SmartdogYT 2 жыл бұрын

MetalJesusRocks 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽 glad to see you here 😄😄😄

@jolness1 2 жыл бұрын

I think the iMac Pro will be a great system. That and a high end Mini seem like the spot to be for desktops for many people. Especially if they bring the high refresh display to the iMac.

@austinjoseph2881 2 жыл бұрын

It’ll be the M2

@jolness1 2 жыл бұрын

@@austinjoseph2881 I think many thought this might be the m2 or m2x but it isn’t

@dmitria8 2 жыл бұрын

This review is a masterpiece. However, it has a huge bias towards creators. These laptops could be a huge win for the developers as well and this part of the story remains untouched.

@narutobroken 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I’ve seen compile times on these new machines and it’s insanely fast

@adambenk0 2 жыл бұрын

Some Unity developer testing would be amazing

@joaquimsilva6081 2 жыл бұрын

@S. Pal But if you want to game you wouldn't even bother searching for a Mac, why care so much for a gaming comparison if you're definitely not buying it for gaming?

@avieshek 2 жыл бұрын

Wait for *Snazzy Labs~*

@mattmers 2 жыл бұрын

I’m curious for other professional industries as well. The verge always focuses too much on their video teams premiere use. It does not mention other video editing software. I’m curious about things like autocad, 3d modeling, scientific computational modeling, gis software and other professional programs.

@mango305z 2 жыл бұрын

You should test to see how it runs engineering and architecture programs. I would like to see how the M1 max handles programs that require intense 3d rendering and how it can handle creating huge CAD documents

@BuBBLeGiO 2 жыл бұрын

I’m commenting so if anybody leaves a review I get the notification

@thomasjoli-coeur6037 2 жыл бұрын

isn't Cinebench a 3d render performance test ?

@alyalesber3168 2 жыл бұрын

Same!

@Godkiller08 2 жыл бұрын

M1 Max is the way to go for 3D and engineering

@ddd-ks2mt 2 жыл бұрын

Same

@PatrykBukowiecki 2 жыл бұрын

That's some high quality video materials, thank you!

@JediSeraphim00 2 жыл бұрын

Best review I’ve seen on KZfaq. Concise, straight forward, clear, and cohesive. Great job, subscribed

@WavyDane 2 жыл бұрын

this is a certified hood classic

@StarkiIler 2 жыл бұрын

damn son

@alex84127 2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@abuwadie3 2 жыл бұрын

Big facts

@Anutosh13 2 жыл бұрын

Why??

@stpedro-ht9ng 2 жыл бұрын

@@Anutosh13 it's a meme

@RahulDuggal84 2 жыл бұрын

The preview left me wanting for more, but this review is absolutely FANTASTIC! Well done Nilay & the whole Verge team!

@seraph127 2 жыл бұрын

The observation about how the Max model consumes rather more power, thus shortening battery life, even if one is not doing graphics-intensive work, is an important of information.

@lloydh 2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see this confirmed and quantified. There's also the possibility that "racing to idle" might make the Max more productive or even offer greater longevity in GPU intensive tasks. Also, does RAM config play any part in battery life on these Macs?

@erasmus9627 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, this is critical information that will weigh heavily on many peoples’ purchasing decision. I was torn between the M1 Pro and M1 Max, and will now get the Pro having watched this video.

@pismodude2 2 жыл бұрын

@@erasmus9627 I got the M1 Pro 16" and deeply regret it, the battery never dies so I'm just continuously being productive, it's really wearing me out, you've been warned.

@randfee 2 жыл бұрын

I would also like to learn more about the battery life behavior (invariant of screen size, just Pro vs Max!)! Two different people working on the machines doing different things is hardly a good comparison.

@victorescobedo6254 2 жыл бұрын

This was an amazing review. I loved the use case focus and letting experts each share their experience and their very specific recommendations. It hit everything I was curious of and it makes me feel very comfortable understanding the pros/cons of each model from the MBA with M1 up to the MBP 16 with M1MAX. Given how complex all of this is, that's an absolutely incredible accomplishment, fantastic job to everyone that worked on this!

@MickiMinach 2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad Nilay did the review. Great in detail, but also brief enough for my attention

@XavierMathewsEntertainment 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly how I felt.

@ann2574 2 жыл бұрын

which is why this felt nice to watch

@fabipuello 2 жыл бұрын

-Nilay:"after your credit card takes that hit" - My credit card to the MBP: “Earn this.”

@connectorxp 2 жыл бұрын

My heart says to save for one, my brain says buy an M1 Air, and my budget said, a 2020 iPad Pro plus Folio Cover is the maximum, for les than 600 euros.

@Akabari100 2 жыл бұрын

@@connectorxp I think there really isn’t a need for someone to buy these machines unless they use them to make money, as in, they use it for work. Or you buy it and make it your laptop for ten years LOL.

@gol.drodger5261 2 жыл бұрын

What does Mbp mean?

@jonathanbaird 2 жыл бұрын

@@gol.drodger5261 MacBook Pro

@davidshao9400 2 жыл бұрын

Am I the only one here who got that Saving Private Ryan reference? 🤓

@BitingChaos 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for comparing the 16" M1 Pro battery life to the 16" M1 Max battery life! This is the first review I've seen compare those two. I picked the M1 Pro because I assumed its battery life would be better than the M1 Max, and now this proves it. I don't need the GPU power, but I can definitely take advantage of the battery life.

@avefreetimehaver5154 2 жыл бұрын

But that was a lot of difference. Hopefully someone validates that with more standardized loads between the two models.

@utubekullanicisi 2 жыл бұрын

Can you share a timestamp?

@dingwen 2 жыл бұрын

@@utubekullanicisi 18:15 (If you go to "battery" section it's right there)

@aalin3473 2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it was a reliable test. We'll have to wait and see.

@erasmus9627 2 жыл бұрын

The difference in battery life between the M1 Max and M1 Pros tested in this Verge video is marginal (just 30 minutes). Indeed, most other credible video reviews to date suggest the difference is minor. Yet, Nilay seizes on this minor discrepancy to argue that the Max chips are power-hungry compared to the Pro chips (even when not being used for graphics). This distortion of the relative battery performances will turn many buyers away from the Max - even though they may be better off with it.

@giosanpedro 2 жыл бұрын

As a Premiere user, I'm so grateful we're getting more Premiere-centric Mac reviews like this! I mean, it's jaw-dropping to see FCP running crazy fast on a Mac, but that is almost always a given

@anhhuytranngoc8839 2 жыл бұрын

New Gundam video please 😉

@terryrodbourn2793 2 жыл бұрын

Yea but they need to make a native app for Apple machines!

@azureactivedirectory 2 жыл бұрын

@@terryrodbourn2793 I think PR is already arm64 native on macOS, but it’s far from optimized like fcpx

@alexfvcruz 2 жыл бұрын

After Effects optimized seemed like a much more improvement than Premiere Pro optimized to the M1 still, feel like the Premiere Pro team can still turn it up a notch (no pun intended)

@DarkP1 2 жыл бұрын

you get Mac computers for their software, if you are a final cut pro, pixelmator, logic, etc. user you are in for a treat. Adobe Premier Pro can be done better with a Desktop GPU and depending of your setup, you might never encounter any of the lag mentioned here. Now if you are looking fast exports that's down to software choices, then you pick the hardware.

@RobbyHuang 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the very detailed Premiere breakdown! That’s just what I needed to know.

@imdshizzle 2 жыл бұрын

Quality Review. Appreciate the in-depth reviews from different people with different work flows

@qwertimus 2 жыл бұрын

A brilliant video, as can be expected! Loved the professional input!

@jeremenichelli 2 жыл бұрын

Tremendous job folks, I hope you do this "not hitting review days" more often, it really shows your stuff know tons about these products, but in the past years I felt lots of reviews were rushed, even the recent iPhone 13 ones. But this is sweet, again I hope you make decisions like this more often, thanks for this

@prashantchauhan6990 2 жыл бұрын

best review of these machines i have seen yet. great video!

@M4NA5 2 жыл бұрын

Just got my base 16” M1 Pro yesterday. The speakers blew me away. Very impressed with the screen, speed and battery life. Great upgrade on my 2018 15” Pro.

@placeholder3853 2 жыл бұрын

What do you do for a living?

@M4NA5 2 жыл бұрын

@@placeholder3853 I post semi-professional comments on KZfaq.

@theogeo14 2 жыл бұрын

@@M4NA5 Well played.

@faisalrana9945 2 жыл бұрын

i just got the same thing!! I went from a 12" MacBook to an m1 air to a 16" M1 Pro Base. My goodness this computer has a nice big screen. Im still not sure about it tho.. cuz: 1. I have a dock.. i don't care about ports. My printer and flash drives are all have converters attached to the ends. 2. I have a big screen and can use that with my m1 no prob.. so really the only advantage I'm getting is when I'm using it in bed. 3. I am from a time when the smallest devices were the most incredible. I loved the 12" MacBook.. my goodness.. (my use case used to be youtube and the occasional word doc) 4. $2500 5. Battery life was great on my m1 too.. don't have any high impedance headphones. Ill probably keep it tho because my use case now is software development.. It really helps to have a bigger screen when coding.

@rhemy1 2 жыл бұрын

What is your Ram

@iLorah 2 жыл бұрын

This was a fantastically produced review - Well done!

@akshatmalik5643 2 жыл бұрын

Its nice that you took the time Appreciate it!!

@jbnelson 2 жыл бұрын

I feel like the gaming portion is very misleading. I agree with the statement that these are not gaming laptops and other laptops hit much higher frames. HOWEVER Shadow of the Tomb Raider at 1080p highest settings and hitting 80+ fps is very playable and is even more impressive as it’s not running natively on Apple Silicon. This is a good sign and we should be encouraging game devs to start taking developing for Macs seriously. Do not buy these laptops for gaming, but if you do buy them, they’ll be far from a bad gaming experience. I think the displaying of comfortable frames in games should be a sign of what’s to come.

@jayg339 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that is what I was thinking. It’s not the sole reason to buy the laptop, but the fact that you are receiving a machine that has a great display, a high refresh rate and a capable GPU for medium to high gaming is actually really appealing for a lot of users. Most serious gamers don’t really use their laptop as their main gaming device, so having a Macbook that can reasonably game is a nice touch for someone who wanted MacOS, but also wanted to be able to game from time to time without having to buy a separate dedicated gaming laptop.

@jamesvaccarella839 2 жыл бұрын

@@jayg339 Nice opinion.

@theblah12 2 жыл бұрын

The biggest issue with gaming is lack of compatibility compared to Windows, but all Macs suffer from that unfortunately. MacOS being such a small percentage of the gaming market combined with Apple’s tendency to deprecate software compatibility means that Macs are always going to be second class citizens in this area, sadly. Outside of live games, most video games are developed in a manner closer to film where the studio moves on to the next thing soon after release, so Apple basically forcing developers to continually update their software simply to keep it running on the latest MacOS release simply isn’t viable for most games, compared to productivity software with continuous revenue due to subscription fees. I can’t see that changing unless Apple starts spending big on Apple Arcade, like paying AAA studios to port over their games or just outright acquiring game studios like Microsoft.

@isteveyang 2 жыл бұрын

@@theblah12 You can play IOS game lol

@rjespo 2 жыл бұрын

I was going to make the same comment. If you are a Mac user and would also like to play games, DO get the 32 core model. Yes, it’s not a good deal, but if you were already going to buy the Mac, why not have playable frame rates. And maybe down the line more Apple Silicon optimized games will come out.

@BennygProductionz 2 жыл бұрын

dude, this is the best laptop review I've ever watched. super helpful exactly what I wanted to see

@timehathtcg 2 жыл бұрын

i hope you guys keep the darker shadowy background / stage for this review, or just keep the theme cos its much softer to look at

@leecm 2 жыл бұрын

I find it hard to believe that these companies can put great tiny cameras in phones but they can't do better than a 1080p camera on their flagship laptops.

@thealexliang 2 жыл бұрын

The difference is that the demand of front facing cameras on phones is greater than it is for laptops. People will pay hundreds more for better selfies or triple back facing cameras while laptop webcam quality is often an afterthought. Additionally, one can just buy better webcams and connect it so the people who need better conferencing will do so.

@nick_hess 2 жыл бұрын

plus the thickness of a laptop display lid is far less than a phone. Put your iPhone next to your Macbook lid, it's 2-3x thicker.

@XavierMathewsEntertainment 2 жыл бұрын

Great video as usual. I’ve come to expect nothing but the best from the Verge. I love Niley honest opinion at the end.

@Jukemastaj 2 жыл бұрын

One thing to also note here, and in the future is that for security professionals -- the M1 chips do not support virtualization of x86 machines -- only ARM based .isos can be used. Virtualbox and VMWare have both stated they don't plan to support M1 to natively virtualization x86 or emulate it.

@YattirSmith 2 жыл бұрын

They say that now… once no Mac is on x86 and Microsoft start really pushing ARM they will change their tune…what happens when no new machine is running on x86

@Jasterrrr 2 жыл бұрын

This is a deal braker for many software or web developers who run stuff locally.

@vatsalyasinghi438 2 жыл бұрын

Can't believe MKBHD hasn't yet released a single video on these beasts.. Hoping for similar incredible videos from that team.

@kl2991 2 жыл бұрын

His channel focuses mainly on mainstream Apple consumer products. For laptops you gotta go watch Dave2D.

@XavierMathewsEntertainment 2 жыл бұрын

He will soon.

@jlu 2 жыл бұрын

@@kl2991 MKBHD has done MacBook reviews in the past

@abayamangali 2 жыл бұрын

MKBHD doesn’t do unboxing videos on Macs as I noticed that everyone did but not him. He doesn’t waste time on making an unboxing video on them, instead he uses them for a couple of weeks to get to know the product well so that then he can give his real thoughts to us. Plus I’m sure it takes a long time to shoot a MKBHD video.

@dacresni 2 жыл бұрын

he already did an impressions video.

@bonfil1 2 жыл бұрын

It would be great for future reviews, to have the perspective of a software developer, mostly working with virtualized environments.

@achamb888 2 жыл бұрын

Every tech review on you tube is centered on content creators. I guess that is the only job that is "pro".

@bonfil1 2 жыл бұрын

@@achamb888 yeah you're right, i mean using optimized software like most of the ones that creators use is one thing , but running containers with a huge project, compiling stuff, indexing files in the IDE at the same time, running VM's making deployments all of that with no optimized software is where the real deal is.

@syte_y 2 жыл бұрын

would actually love this. content creators are just one group.

@phillipmarnik 2 жыл бұрын

That type of content is better created by someone from that field. Good chance someone is working on it now.

@MichaelGGarry 2 жыл бұрын

As well as software developers not working with virtualized environments as that's pretty specialised.....

@omersubasi7372 2 жыл бұрын

First time that I loved a Verge review: it is objective and detailed!

@MrKoruyo 2 жыл бұрын

Nice, one of the few KZfaq reviews i've seen that's not just blind hype with the same content for affiliate link money, but also shows some problematic aspects to consider. Compatibility to external devices(like audio interfaces) can also be worth mentioning - there is tons of stuff still missing osx arm adapted software that requires lots of workarounds to function like on intel macs. Good Job the Verge!

@AlinPopescu 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely the best review of these laptops. As a professional (photo and video productions) I was looking more into real life usage than numbers from benchmarks. Your Senior Editor did a great job explaining her experience while using these new M1 chips and laptops. I was ready to sell my maxed out MBP 16 i9, but the prices went way downhill with the hype, so maybe I'll wait for the next gen before switching to Apple silicon. At the school I work we've just received some new iMacs with M1, and I can't wait to test them a little bit in real life. Thanks again for this complete reivew! Long time channel zapper, but now I've subscribed!

@mattceccotti 2 жыл бұрын

Monica is like the rapper dropping a guest verse on somebody else's record and completely obliterating them with twice the speed and power.

@jackyyo1998 2 жыл бұрын

Ur talking about eminem

@reckless1280 2 жыл бұрын

Ha yes. I love it

@hbombfreak 2 жыл бұрын

@@jackyyo1998 Ew, no.

@jackyyo1998 2 жыл бұрын

@@hbombfreak he is the only rapper that consistently out rap and obliterate every song that he is featured in

@hbombfreak 2 жыл бұрын

@@jackyyo1998 He’s mid, sadly. YoungBoy better.

@JCee3223 2 жыл бұрын

This is one of the best reviews you guys have ever made.

@mohammedalsrihi832 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much this is the only video that make me to take a decesion between the 14" and the 16", i was about to purshase the 14" with 1TB but when i saw the battery usage i decided to go for the 16" 512 M1 pro as you said "the sweet spot" battery is really importent for me :) you have gained 1 subscriber keep going with this great high quality reviews i really appreciate it

@dmytrokuiko8855 2 жыл бұрын

The best review I've ever seen! 😍 Thanks for the amazing work!

@FFKAK 2 жыл бұрын

Guys, great presentation, but it would be nice if next time you also included benchmarks for other non-content creation tasks (or games), such as development and programming. The relative time the notebook takes to run a more "math code" is also important.

@joshuareveles 2 жыл бұрын

Gaming performance is irrelevant on these machines. You’re not buying these to game, you’re buying these machines to do work and be productive.

@Anonymous-hi4jc 2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuareveles lol. So, basically these laptops shouldn't even support gaming, movie watching as well as any kind of software developments? Drop your holier than thou attitude for gods sake. They make these machines to sell and even though they are more tuned towards content creators, they are intended towards normal users and programmers as well.

@jonathanbaird 2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuareveles Don't be daft. Yes, these are primarily professional workhorses, but the chips are every bit as powerful for entertainment. Most people don't work 24 hours a day, so providing additional insight into entertainment apps wouldn't be completely out of the question.

@IgnoreSolutions 2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuareveles He didn't even say gaming LOL

@thejose24 2 жыл бұрын

You know it's a big deal when Nilay himself reviews it. I'd love to order a MBP 14" soon :)

@ufinc 2 жыл бұрын

Well we all know he's getting extra pay from Apple to do this.

@owengump2151 2 жыл бұрын

Waiting for ya for a long time since the new macbooks were released. Your review video is more wonderful than the laptops themselves. Thank you.

@cllamasful 2 жыл бұрын

I really really enjoyed this detailed review. Way better than just rushing out and posting a video.

@Jthe5th 2 жыл бұрын

Gotta love how all reviewers failed to noticed the issues with the UI and cursor and the notch until it was shown by users.

@momentollogy 2 жыл бұрын

You are literally the FIRST channel to do an After Effects benchmark with these machines. Finally!!! Thank you so much! Adobe JUST released a beta of AE which is M1 native - can you please please do a similar export and post the results below this comment? Would be so grateful!

@reckless1280 2 жыл бұрын

We didn't include it because we just didn't know how informative it was -- results were basically the same as the new release version with multicore GPU support, but it's a beta so... maybe things will change.

@cameronbosch1213 2 жыл бұрын

@@reckless1280 I don’t know about that… After Effects running via Rosetta 2 is almost unusable, while the beta actually is very good.

@papermelon 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you a million for relating everything to premier pro. It’s really awesome to hear real world results with it since my workflow is all over that

@QuaimeVLee 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Your reviews are consistently fair, with data that makes sense to multiple levels of consumer, and you project and honesty and integrity from so many others out there who seem like sales folks for one manufacturer or other. Keep it up!

@cassiacries 2 жыл бұрын

love hearing from the behind the scenes gurus. excellent addition, good editorial call 🌟

@profpigeon5441 2 жыл бұрын

Ive been using a 16 inch max with 32gb of ram for work for a week, editing on resolve. Pretty much unstoppable, I love it so far. Was thinking about more ram but this feels fine

@MrRiffbear1 2 жыл бұрын

Is 32GB enough for lightroom work?

@AJGalecki 2 жыл бұрын

@@MrRiffbear1 16GB is enough for Lightroom work

@WhatMACHI 2 жыл бұрын

This was an awesome review. Thanks for all the effort put into this! Great choice of comparisons and tests.

@luisburkert238 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this beautiful Video! You guys nailed it. And thanks for including PR and AE

@EggTamago7 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah this review was spot on, and I appreciate how thorough it was. The conclusion on the M1 Max seems to be settling on: If you need to ask if you need it, you don't need it. That aside, I'm really glad to finally see a MacBook Pro lineup where getting the smaller one doesn't relegate you to lesser internals. Now you can get a total beast in a 14" or a 16" form-factor. The 14" with the M1 Pro is pretty much my dream laptop. I've always found the 13" disappointingly under-powered and the screen just a bit too small, but found the 15" and 16" way too big. I can't justify upgrading from my 2020 Intel 13" anytime soon, but damn I know what I have to look forward to.

@MunroMcLaren 2 жыл бұрын

So I got the base model M1 Max chip because I’m an upcoming filmmaker. Should I not have gotten that? I can’t cancel my order anymore. Like is the battery difference that significant?

@HaydenCohen 2 жыл бұрын

v interesting that the 14" seems to outperform the 16" with the same Pro (rather than Max) processor

@fredde1876 2 жыл бұрын

In one of the charts the 14 outperform the 16 max too for some reason, so I think thats wierd af tbh.

@U2haveaniceday20 Жыл бұрын

Amazing video All.Really enjoyed.I know much testing and work went into your Review.Thanks so much for sharing.Happy Holiday's hope you all have a Wonderful Holiday Deb ✌️

@scubatravel7846 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the review! TOTALLY GETTING THE MAX! Perfect for 4k video editing!! 😍😍😍

@martinowong 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing review! It answered all my doubts especially with real world AE performance…only gripe is that there are no numbers for the 24-core gpu M1 Max, but still helped me a lot for deciding which to get

@movieblues4614 2 жыл бұрын

YOU're thinking like I'm thinking. The Max gives you insane memory performance - for every element of the chip - whatever the number of GPU cores.

@aterix 2 жыл бұрын

If I'm only using the MacBook for audio, is there any benefit from having the higher memory bandwidth in the M1 Max? If not, I'll just get the 16" M1 Pro with 32 GB of RAM.

@nabeelahamed5554 2 жыл бұрын

Outstanding review. The Verge really is on another level compared to these other media outlets on KZfaq.

@aportraitontech5218 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for one of the best reviews I've seen! Specifically, detailing the Pro and Max versions. I ordered the Max, but can cancel. As the Pro's battery life in this review is very tempting.

@Thebreakdownshow1 2 жыл бұрын

Do I need the new MacBook NO but after watching this video and those beautiful shots DO I want it now yes.I think this would be a great computer for my video editing.

@jonathan102 2 жыл бұрын

I really don't need those horsepower but I really want one too. If they manage to put that M1 Pro, new Mini LED screen plus all those IOs in a Macbook Air form factor, they would have my money so freaking fast.

@AnimeBeefRandoms 2 жыл бұрын

Do you make a living off your video editing? If no, buy something else

@Thebreakdownshow1 2 жыл бұрын

@@AnimeBeefRandoms I need more subscribers to make a living for now the videos are more like a hobby.

@joshuareveles 2 жыл бұрын

@@Thebreakdownshow1 remember, these are pro machines for pros. If video editing is a hobby, then get something much cheaper since this product is not meant for the average user

@Thebreakdownshow1 2 жыл бұрын

@@marioferreira7605 I agree as a business I have put my money in windows spec out editing machine especially because after effects is king on windows .

@fortphoenix 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Verge, maybe on the next set of reviews (or as an addendum to this review), try also including a Blender benchmark? Apple recently became a patron at the Blender foundation and there's work to provide a Metal backend to the cycles render engine (i.e. the photorealistic render engine that's part of blender). I think that would be another good test to have, given that nVidia and AMD GPUs have a bit of a grasp of this space...

@joelom 2 жыл бұрын

no, not allowed. only reviews about video editing are allowed. no other professions with a need for an apple laptop exist. exporting video is the only true way to show a computers power. /s

@fortphoenix 2 жыл бұрын

@@joelom Not gonna lie. You had me in the first half 🤣

@joelom 2 жыл бұрын

@@fortphoenix but sadly its almost too true haha

@UrbanPredator786 2 жыл бұрын

Love that you made a premier pro vs Final Cut Pro mini comparison with the performance. Amazing.

@DirekLambert 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for the After Effects Test

@devs1357 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent review. Really helped me with my decision. It’s so easy to convince yourself that you need the super most fastest. I’m going with the M1 Pro 16

@crazycomments8038 2 жыл бұрын

I did and been using it for many many (50) hours looking for a house to purchase and the fans did not kick on yet. It is a fast and quiet machine. Have fun!!

@fife7653 2 жыл бұрын

@@crazycomments8038 You bought a $4000 laptop to look at houses?

@crazycomments8038 2 жыл бұрын

@@fife7653 I am pulling your leg. Looking at houses is similar saying I am watching this video while using MBP M1.

@andrewcod 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for a great review. Identifying the battery life difference between M1 Pro and Max was particularly insightful. @Nilay / @ Monica - I'm surprised the extra 16 GPU cores could drive a ~6 hour (40%!) battery life difference. How confident are you that this difference is mostly attributable to the power draw of the (presumably often idling) extra GPU cores, rather than reflecting differences in how you each used your assigned laptops? Is there any chance of you swapping models for another couple days of typical workload to confirm? Reviewing battery life is obviously as much an art as science, so don't want to nitpick. But would be good to sense check this somehow, given it's both a really important insight, and (at least to me) surprising in magnitude.

@AlbertTong 2 жыл бұрын

Hope this answer this very important question regarding the battery test accuracy.

@jtit2025 2 жыл бұрын

Best review out of all the tech reviewers! Great job! They answered all my questions!

@brailrice 2 жыл бұрын

Probably the least informative in depth review available.

@TheBlueMeanie 2 жыл бұрын

really enjoy the real work review. benchmarks can be had all over, but real work opinions from pros is huge. TY

@markclennon06 2 жыл бұрын

Verge continues to be an authority in the space. Amazing work and review

@issiewizzie 2 жыл бұрын

Finally someone who knows what they're talking about instead of someone just regurgitating the tech spec

@mauriceman-gale4396 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!! I can't stress how thankful I am for this video. There is structure, and order, it packs the punches with essential details. The message is super clear and I didn't even watch the video that much, I was actually listening more than watching. I've only seen this one video and I immediately questioned myself (like where have you been all this time 😜) I subscribed straight away. You guys rock.

@thisisjonb 2 жыл бұрын

loved hearing from your video person specifically! very useful info.

@adriankyleabaja9271 2 жыл бұрын

Curious to see how well these MacBooks perform if games are optimized.

@alanschmitt9865 2 жыл бұрын

Games optimized for ARM feels… Improbable. The market just isn’t there to support the costs involved, AFAIK.

@TheBap200 2 жыл бұрын

@@alanschmitt9865 I disagree. Making a game for Mac apple silicon, would allow to publish easily this game on iPhone and iPad.

@adriankyleabaja9271 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBap200 yeah, especially on the ipad since there's the m1

@alanschmitt9865 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBap200 In theory, sure, but one only needs to spend a few hours with iPadOS to know that Apple doesn’t have a real interest in letting that platform be a true laptop replacement.

@panic0112 2 жыл бұрын

Feel much better about my decision to purchase the 16" M1 Pro / 32GB immediately when they started taking pre-orders. Many of the other reviewers have said it's a no-brainer to pay $200 more for the M1 Max if you are already upgrading the memory. I simply couldn't justify it. I don't need the extra GPU cores or extra monitors. Maybe for the extra memory bandwidth, but only if there was no other downside. But I also had the thought that the extra GPU cores would be a drain on the battery even when not in use. Thanks for doing a thorough job testing and confirming this!

@DynamicPhil84 2 жыл бұрын

Great review, these are the tests and benchmarks I've been waiting for! Actual real world true performance tests. It would be nice to see some more GPU focused benchmarks, such as 3D GPU rendering with Redshift or Octane, and GPU video exporting with DaVinci Resolve.

@Chris-ow5ij 2 жыл бұрын

I must say, The Verge is really the only channel I run to for reviews. Always on point!

@johnforde7735 2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, Shadow of the Tomb Raider was running in Rosetta, so not really a fair comparison. Nobody is buying these laptops for games, but they can reasonably expect that games can run well on these machines. And they can. Extremely well. But games studios need to target Apple Silicon before you will see these machines shine.

@dacresni 2 жыл бұрын

I know it takes time for the 4k version of this review to be released but why are none of the reviews for this month on The Verge TV still?

@joelegate557 2 жыл бұрын

Great to see Nilay back reviewing. So clear and concise.

@carlstanford7607 2 жыл бұрын

Great job. Best review I’ve seen on the new macs

@PerzDVP 2 жыл бұрын

Wait wait so the 16inch M1 max and M1 pro we’re reviewed by different people who may have done vastly different tasks?? How are these battery comparisons even remotely comparable? I have the m1 max and am getting much closer to 18ish hours out of it at 60ish percent brightness, mix of surfing and videos.

@wisein514 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I’m in the same boat. Got the Max and I’m getting 17 hours. Every other review I’ve seen is also getting similar figures. Not sure why they thought it was a good idea to let 2 people use each device for different tasks and then compare the battery.

@PerzDVP 2 жыл бұрын

@@wisein514 it literally makes no sense, why even report that? They should have put the two next to each other and ran the same apps and stuff at the same brightness, same wireless settings etc so we can tell a RELATIVE difference between the two.

@shouldersofgiants4649 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome review, so detailed and touched on variety of areas. Suggestion: MacOS is really great for developers as well and it would be interesting to see how the laptops fare when running heavy resource heavy apps like docker, xcode, matlab etc.

@niketan_rai 2 жыл бұрын

This was a great review ! Good job verge.

@crescentbeach691 2 жыл бұрын

Wow! Finally got to this after viewing other reviews. Didn't think I needed to see it, which might be true, but is beside the point. This was a brilliantly realized review. Kudos to everyone involved. I won't make the same mistake in the future.

@jesalp 2 жыл бұрын

This is absolute 10/10 review, sterling work. Wow.

@NotoriousRawDogger 2 жыл бұрын

Apple pimp slapped the whole computer industry

@JohnyTechReview 2 жыл бұрын

Another great review with lots of good info through a great presenter! Good job guys!

@JDelta87 2 жыл бұрын

This review came together quite nicely. Nilay, Monica, and Alix made clear, concise explanations of their research and testing.

@xwni 2 жыл бұрын

On the previous 16", the keyboard would tend to mark up the screen, keys touching the LCD panel when the laptop was closed. Is this possibly an issue on the new 16" - does the keyboard seem to stay clear of the screen with the laptop closed?

@RamonRivas 2 жыл бұрын

I got the 16 and haven’t yet experienced this.

@jeanbutinfrench 2 жыл бұрын

isnt that engineering 101

@finanzenPlus1 2 жыл бұрын

On my 13“, too. Drives me nuts-.-

@AA-nj2ni 2 жыл бұрын

i can confirm my new 14 inch m1 pro does this unfortunately. :/

@thomasday3256 2 жыл бұрын

This has happened on all Apple laptops for at least a decade. Sometimes it shows, sometimes it doesn't. I think it comes from carrying the laptop and the screen gets slightly pushed in when packed in a bag.

@jenishpallath9113 2 жыл бұрын

The question is how other laptop manufacturers respond?

@steverobins4454 2 жыл бұрын

This is the most useful MacBook Pro I’ve seen this year, especially the battery discussion. Thanks!!

@mahntasticfilms6906 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this information. I edit videos and do some after effect for work and wasn't sure which one to get. I currently have a 2014 15" and still use this machine for editing 4k video. It lags sometimes but still works. I'm sure the base 16" is more than enough for now and the future.

@bravelygeorge 2 жыл бұрын

I wish a could see tech reviews from the perspective of programmers, 3d animators etc not just video editors. That would be cool

@terrasai2857 2 жыл бұрын

Is it just me or is the footage in this video more "grainy" than usual?

@Climberfx 2 жыл бұрын

Keep including After Effects every time. Great Job.

@bonsai5753 Жыл бұрын

Production quality was good. Keep it up

@raymond-john-smith 2 жыл бұрын

The Verge has put so many people off the Max version and it has annoyed me a lot because they put me off too. I was going to cancel my Max order but then I did some research and found that they had TWO different people running the Pro and Max Models, which completely stuffs up the battery test because one person could be doing light internet browsing on the Pro model and the other doing massive edits on the Max Model with Premiere Pro. It pissed me off so much. They need to provide consistency between their battery tests or else you end up with mixed messages, the Max model has more GPU cores but when not in use (idle) they use up a marginal amount of power, this should have been stated more clearly.

@AlbertTong 2 жыл бұрын

I was wondering the same thing on whether mac os is smart enough to conserve power and idle the extra GPU cores when not needed. But I can't find official information on that yet. I configured my order for m1 max and ships in two days - hesitant now and thinking about returning it. One Apple specialist I chatted with said "The new Monterey pre-installed with new MacBook models will idle the GPU for graphics if you are not using it with your activities". But I'm trying to find written documentation.