Macintosh SE Reloaded TESTING [Part 4]
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Күн бұрынWatch me TEST the SE Reloaded motherboard in this Part 4 finale!
No Reloaded board? No problem! I mention things you may not know about the Mac SE, show you how to make serial loopback connectors, and even demonstrate a 16MHz PDS accelerator.
SE Reloaded Parts I, II & III are here: bit.ly/3xHSp02
🔎 INDEX
0:00 - Intro
4:00 - Power-on
4:25 - ADB Mouse
4:39 - FloppyEMU
8:29 - ADB Kybd, Int. SW & Easter Eggs
9:55 - Reset SW
10:07 - Ext. Floppy Drive
11:34 - Sound Volume
13:56 - Headphone Jack
17:49 - SCSI/BlueSCSI
21:12 - PRAM Batt.
29:43 - MacSD & OverEasy II
35:49 - Serial Ports & Loopback Conn.
45:30 - TechStep
50:43 - PDS 16MHz SpeedCard
1:03:16 - Closing Thoughts
🗣️ SE Reloaded discussion on TinkerDifferent: bit.ly/3yLLjJ0
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• MOUSER CART in "My BOM" under "📚 REFERENCE" below.
• SE Reloaded board from MacEffects (red): bit.ly/39yehBv
• FloppyEMU: bit.ly/2BA8yru
• Mono to Stereo 3.5mm Adapter: amzn.to/3RAiCFM
• PRAM Battery (1/2 AA 3.6V): amzn.to/3cmNMk3
• OverEasy II (by Stephen Arsenault, assembled in Japan by Kay Koba): bit.ly/3yXVnx4
(The version I have is "Rev.B".)
• SCSI Cable (THE BEST 50-pin cable for internal drives!): bit.ly/3aTcmIS
• BlueSCSI External (Made in Japan): bit.ly/3On5xg6
• BlueSCSI Internal (Made in Japan): bit.ly/3B7N4kR
• MacSD (Overclockable, CD Changer features & more!): macsd.com
• Serial Cable (to make loop-back plugs for Snooper2): amzn.to/3znGeXn
• Heat Shrink Tubing Kit: amzn.to/34Cwzzj
• Replacement Feet for SE case bottom (hand-made in Japan!): bit.ly/3B0fQ73
• Clear Programmer's Switch (MacEffects): bit.ly/3cGkAEQ
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📚 REFERENCE
• My BOM (with Mouser Cart): bit.ly/3MF7BA9
• Kai's BOM: bit.ly/3G2H6lA
• Serial Loop-back thread (for Snooper2) on TinkerDifferent: bit.ly/3PCFbrJ
• TechStep ROM Cartridge reverse-engineering: bit.ly/3Pzj9WS
• TechStep Recreation: bit.ly/3B209fs
• max1zzz's ROM replacement Github: bit.ly/3Ou4hc7
• Kai's ADB chip replacement Github: bit.ly/3HZjvTU
• Kai's Main Github page: bit.ly/3wD3DkM
• Kai's Videos on SE Reloaded: bit.ly/3yQqOea
• Kai's Guide to Apple Custom ASICs: bit.ly/3yqdoVJ
• Mac SE Service Source Manual: bit.ly/3MykhsC
• Guide to Macintosh Family Hardware: bit.ly/3lv4xLc
• Computer Chronicles video on the SE: • The Computer Chronicle...
• Motherboard Horror Pics 😱: bit.ly/3LxK2Yw
• SpeedCard audio problem: bit.ly/3vb2VLO
💾 SOFTWARE
• System 7.1 Install on 800K disks (not for SE FDHD!): bit.ly/3O97ehi
• PRAM 5 (to properly set the date): bit.ly/3aSlTzH
• Snooper 2.0: bit.ly/3cmz0tg
• SpeedCard control panel: bit.ly/3z0Xn7O
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#Macintosh #SEreloaded #Motherboard #JDW
@user-ut2em4ke5t 5 ай бұрын
It took me a week, but I just finished the 4-part SE Reloaded mini-series. I don't have time to read all the comments, but is it just me or do others feel like James Wages is the Bob Ross of the retro-computing world? Yeah, he's missing the curly top, but these videos are really positive, calming, and down right Zen-like. Even when things don't go according to plan, it's just what was suppose to happen and it's all going to be okay. Life lesson in there, probably. To watch a blank canvas turn into a work of art with bright happy resistors and puffy little capacitors, is such a joy. (Of course puffy capacitors should probably be replaced, but you get my point.) Thank you very much.
@erinwiebe7026 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing the 16Mhz PDS SpeedCard install brings me back to my university days. I had a similar Macintosh SE FDHD with internal hard disk, and I used that little Mac for all of my course work. It had 4MB of RAM (with RAM Doubler) and at the stock speed, it was barely enough to write my papers on with Word 5.1. I spent some of my student loan money to buy a similar 16Mhz 68000 accelerator and it made such a difference, especially when scrolling pages & spell check!
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your story. Yes, 8MHz is slow, even though the SE is said to be "faster" than the Mac Plus and earlier machines. Slow is slow, so even a 20% speed difference from something slow isn't saying much. The SpeedCard makes the machine more fund to use at times, but I am finding various incompatibilities and quirks. I am working with a former member of SuperMac to test various things, and he is going to provide me with a v1.7 beta INIT to test once he gets a FloppyEMU to do easy file transfer. With that said, I prefer to use the SE in its stock condition because it allows me to use the oldest software, just like a Mac Plus, and when booting into older versions of MacOS (pre System 6) the performance is quite acceptable. When I feel the need for speed, I can grab one of my SE/30 machines which are much faster even in the stock condition, but lightening fast when I add a 50MHz 030 or 40MHz 040 accelerator card to it. That's why having multiple vintage Macs makes the hobby more fun. 🙂
@6806goats1 Ай бұрын
Congrats on your build. Great work going through the system and refurbishing everything. Another SE lives.
@threethousandyen 2 жыл бұрын
This series is such a gift. The amount of care and detail you put into these videos is incredible. Thanks so much!
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for those kind words!
@ymkdevices4052 2 жыл бұрын
A great and smokeless end to the series. Well done on the careful assembly and congratulations to Kai for an excellent product. Thanks for showing MacSD. 😎
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words. MacSD is a truly fantastic product that more people really do need to learn about. That’s why I look forward to making a follow-up video about it. And for those who are reading this and who don’t already know, my first video review of MacSD is found here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sN2qadR-qJi-dWg.html
@StephenArsenault 2 жыл бұрын
Great comprehensive video, James! Thanks for the 30:07 shout out of OverEasy II.
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
You spent a lot of time making some great stuff for the community, Stephen. You deserve high praise for that. THANK YOU!
@chrisnotbad 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video as always. My first computer was a Mac SE. I had a 20 Meg external Hyperdrive with 7.5.5 running. The Hyperdrive was bigger than a phone book. This was 1996 and even though my SE was a little dated even then, I still had more fun using that computer than probably any other. I used America Online ver 2.7 with a 2400 baud modem and had a blast discovering the online world. I even came across and purchased another Mac SE for $20 bucks a couple of years later that had a radius rocket 16mhz 020 68K accelerator card. I'm pretty sure it said Radius on the card, and it might have been a 20mhz 020 instead of 16mhz. It was 24 years ago. However, it definitely was a 68k upgrade for the SE. It also had some cache settings that you could change on screen during boot. About a year after getting my first SE, I then found a SE/30 for sale on AOL's classifieds and I was so happy to finally have a machine that was color quickdraw capable. I'm glad you showed the creators of the SE because you can tell when using these little computers that a lot of passion went into them and it carries over to the user experience in ways other machines don't. Right now, I have a SE (stock), SE/30 (128 Meg Ram, IIFX Rom, Os 8.1, Raster Ops 24 Bit card), Color Classic and a Color Classic II from Japan. The latter two needing restoration, but in fine condition. Your videos have been a huge motivating force in getting that ball rolling. Thank you for your content and I hope we can get in touch someday.
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you for sharing your story! The SE is quite slow in its stock 8MHz configuration, and while the SpeedCard helps it go faster, I am finding various incompatibilities and quirks. So I prefer to think of the SE as a Mac 128K or 512K with more RAM, especially because the old ROMs in this SE allow be to boot even the oldest software, just like a Macintosh Plus, which is very nice. The newer FDHD SE machines could run System 6 minimum. The ideal Mac it terms of performance is the SE/30, of course, not simply because the stock speed is faster, but because there are so many upgrades out there for out (albeit expensive and hard to find at times). I will be working on my Stereo Mod for the Color Classic soon, so I hope that is a help to you as well.
@Mr.Fahrenheit_451 Жыл бұрын
Another awesome JDW video! Thanks for doing this 'reloaded' series, James!
@CloudSpecter 2 жыл бұрын
Again a joy to watch! Keep it up 👍
@alasdairlumsden670 2 жыл бұрын
When I was around 10 years old, my mother worked in a design studio and would sometimes bring home her Macintosh SE. I used to love reading the manuals that came with it, everything was so elegant and crisp. There was such a consistent design language across everything. I was absolutely fascinated by the icons, the system disks, exploring this whole new black and white universe of perfectly proportioned pixels. I even managed to figure out upgrading it from System 6 to System 7. At the time the main home computer we had was a C64, and later an Amiga. I was fortunate to then get a hand-me-down Macintosh IIcx which had an enormous 8MB of RAM, and would do my homework on Word 6. I recently was fortunate enough to get a SE/30 reloaded motherboard shipped to me by Kai, which was a lot of fun populating from a battery bombed SE/30 I got from eBay. Currently in the process of recapping the Analogue Board and PSU. Great video and loving all the accessories... need to get myself a floppy emu and external bluescsi :-) Thanks for making this!
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
I truly love Mac stories like yours. Thank you very much for kindly sharing. Glad to hear you had a success with the SE Reloaded board! Definitely get a FloppyEMU next, before anything else. That little thing is indispensable!
@Fred_Raimer 11 ай бұрын
Wow James, this is a real tour de force for you. I watched all 4 parts in their entirety and am stunned at the production values and presentation as well as your usual skill and knowledge! I really enjoyed it and as usual learned many things. Thank you!!!
@JDW- 11 ай бұрын
Thank you, Fred.I must say, it was an exciting build. How often do you get to build your own working vintage Macintosh motherboard? And the best part is, the soldering is thru-hole, which means most people even semi-adept with a soldering iron can do it. I hope this video series will encourage others to give it a try one day.
@pocketscience911 2 жыл бұрын
What a great conclusion to a very daunting project @JDW! Congratulations on another inspiring video!
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words, Gavin, and for your generosity in sending me that wonderful TechStep ROM cartridge. That little gem made this video all the more special!
@pocketscience911 2 жыл бұрын
@@JDW- what are friends for James, if not helping out when they can? You're most welcome.
@tony359 Жыл бұрын
this is an amazing project! Thank you for the journey!
@JDW- Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Tony. Stay tuned because I will be having a giveaway related to the SE Reloaded build. I'm hoping to announce it in a new video which hopefully can debut sometime this month.
@BollingHolt 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice job!😀
@rogerjones8809 2 жыл бұрын
I had never seen tech step before, maybe the dealer I worked for didn’t buy one! However I do remember Applecat! It was probably older and allowed you to connect 2 macs together to help diagnose problems! This was in the late 80’s! Great video! Also, just turning on and booting a Mac is a great test, but as any tech should know, you should always test ALL the inputs/outputs, interfaces, etc. to guarantee 100% functionality, and I’m glad you demonstrated how to do absolutely thorough testing!
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
Interestingly, the AppleCAT is mentioned in the index of the following document, but pages 4.16 and later in that section are mysteriously missing! I'd love to see a photo of the AppleCAT if you can track one down. bit.ly/3Jfm44Q
@codys4668 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't think I'd watch the whole thing but you hooked me in :)
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for watching the entire video, Cody! I spent more time on this video series than any other video. It took me a while, but it was a fun build. Hope you can give it a try someday. Best wishes!
@DavidStahlOLDHAPPyMACs 2 жыл бұрын
Great Video JDW Very Detailed It was worth the Waite part 4 Love the speed card
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Dave!
@santospoland 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations James! Nice job on the assembly. Kai did an amazing job with the board. Really nice work!
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
It was both an educational and fun build experience, Alex. I hope you can try it some day!
@santospoland 2 жыл бұрын
@@JDW- Actually right now I am working on an NAD receiver. Not quite a Mac but since the receiver is dead I thought I would use the cadaver as it were to learn about electronics. Replacing caps, yada yada is all good but it's great fun to learn about resistors, NPN, PNP transistors, all the types of diodes etc.. If an SE/30 board ever comes around I might go for it. I don't have an SE. Anyway, you did a beautiful job, it looks very nice. You must have one of the newest SEs on the planet now! :)
@BigBadBench 2 жыл бұрын
Really great job on this series JDW!
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@stevegonzo9316 Жыл бұрын
Love that 2gs keyboard.
@JDW- Жыл бұрын
It's my favorite!
@1BitFeverDreams 2 жыл бұрын
These videos are monuments AND they are furbished inside. The people wanting to follow your footsteps later on will have an easy time.
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your kind words and for your extremely kind help on TinkerDifferent! Here's the thread for people who wish to follow it... tinkerdifferent.com/threads/display-graphic-full-screen-on-mac-se.1607/post-12619
@Mr.Fahrenheit_451 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@GarthBeagle Жыл бұрын
Such a nice build and through testing, excellent job. Really enjoyed the whole series 😀
@JDW- Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words, Garth. Any chance you my try the build yourself some day? 🙂
@GarthBeagle Жыл бұрын
@@JDW- Certainly, if I come across a damaged SE like you did!
@lasgio_ 2 жыл бұрын
I have my very first SE coming in from Canada, looks exactly like yours with the hard drive, old owner also put a scsi drive there not sure what it does but he said it'll help with the experience. Also I'm in my 20s, just getting it cuz they look so cool!
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
My SE only has the one 800K internal floppy drive. The hard drive bay sits just above the floppy drive and is empty. But that's okay because I like to use BlueSCSI or MacSD instead. The SE can accommodate one internal SCSI (50pin HDD), and external 50pin SCSI drives, scanners, etc. It's not a fast Mac by any means, but if you use System 6 or lower on it, the speed is very acceptable and you can run the oldest software too -- software that the Mac 128K can use.
@tenminutetokyo2643 2 жыл бұрын
SuperMac was an awesome company back in the day. They were one of my fav companies along with RasterOps, Jasmine, and GCC.
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
In that case, you might want to strike up a conversation with BFEXTU over at the Tinker Different forum, as he is the former SuperMac engineer I am currently speaking with about the SpeedCard and other SuperMac (and Levco) upgrades. He really is a wealth of knowledge on the subject.
@tenminutetokyo2643 2 жыл бұрын
@@JDW- Maybe I'll write some new Device Manager drivers for it and other cards. Used to work on the Sound Manager at Apple. And OpenFirmware.
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
@@tenminutetokyo2643 Wow! If you want to exchange more information with me, you can send me a PM over at TinkerDifferent (so long as you are registered): tinkerdifferent.com/members/jdw.5/
@santospoland 2 жыл бұрын
@@JDW- You should consider interviewing some of these people. There is so little in the way of audio recorded interviews. It would be great to hear stories from his time at the company, what he worked on, what the market was like, some of the challenges and absolute success and failures and so on.
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
@@santospoland True, but the problem right now is finding them. Maybe this video will prompt at least one of the original SE team to step forward and share some stories. That's my hope anyway.
@wishusknight3009 2 жыл бұрын
This has been a great series! It makes we want to see if its possible to build an SE from scratch. It almost seems possible! When I have tried to use 7.53 on my 68000 plus, when I had a full install and all extensions enabled with 1 or 2 other small ones thrown in, it would use 2.8 of the 4mb of ram...... ouch.
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words! Please note that “Philippe from France“ is “iPhil64” on the Tinker Different forum, and he is building two boards from scratch. You can read more about that in the SE reloaded thread on TinkerDifferent, which I have linked for you in the text description under the video.
@wishusknight3009 2 жыл бұрын
@@JDW- Thankyou! I will have a read at that.
@tenminutetokyo2643 2 жыл бұрын
Wonder if anyone will make modern new exact replacement mice for the SE and Plus.
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
MacEffects sells a clear case for the SE mouse (small ball variant only), but that's not including the PCB or ball or wires, of course: maceffects.com/products/clear-mouse-case-for-apple-adb-g5431
@hidde1626 2 жыл бұрын
Good video! But isn't it also possible to just put a piece of thin metal wire directly between the pins on the connector to test it?
@JDW- 2 жыл бұрын
I think "for most people" that's easier said than done when it comes to avoiding an accidental short circuit of pins you do not want to intentionally short together. The process of making the loopback connectors really was easier than I thought. It just takes a cable (which you can still buy today on Amazon), cutters, a razor blade knife, solder (although you might be able to get away with twisting them together) and some heat shrink tubing (also available as an Amazon kit). I've put relevant links in the text description. The other benefit to making the loopback connectors is that you can easy use them again on the same or other Macs in the future, whereas a wire trick would be fiddly and have to be redone on every machine you need it on.
@tenminutetokyo2643 2 жыл бұрын
DOOD!
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