Macross 7: Valkyries, Eldritch Abominations and SONG POWER | Macross 7 Exploration

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Abhsalonikas

Abhsalonikas

2 жыл бұрын

MACROSS 7 is a very interesting (and controversial) series that introduces some pretty weird concepts about an ancient protoculture enemy. The show also justifies the power of songs via the Anima Spiritia and, best of all, we have the music of Fire Bomber. The trouble is that while the concepts are super exciting and novel... the execution not so much.
My name is Absa, and in this video I'll try to explore why Macross 7 is definitively a series worth watching, and, if you can get through the first arc, you'll be then amazed by the returning cast, the great Diamond and Emerald Forces, and more importantly, the music of Fire Bomber.
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@androyus
@androyus 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sad that Macross will most likely never revisit the concept of *male* singer & rock band anymore, not because Macross 7 was bad (it is very popular in Japan, with Yoshiki still doing concerts for the songs from the show). It's because the Macross franchise right now is balls-deep into the female idols concept that they are too scared to stray from it.
@absa
@absa 2 жыл бұрын
I really hope that the next Macross entry explores a different concept of songs. Both Fire Bomber and Sharon Apple were very different from Minmay, yet, ever since MZero it's been just Idols, and while I do like Sheryl and Walkure... it feels like the once Pioneers are becoming stagnant.
@pilotamurorei
@pilotamurorei 2 жыл бұрын
Kawamori has said he will never do the same thing twice. He has stuck to that promise.
@elistratton1071
@elistratton1071 Жыл бұрын
@@pilotamurorei surprisingly he has stated that Macross 7 is something that he is interested in returning to. I know it goes against what we usually hear him say.
@elistratton1071
@elistratton1071 Жыл бұрын
@androyus Macross 7 isn't bad. There a a lot of fans of it. They are about to release the international blu ray of it and the response has been huge. What I think you're referring to is that there are some very vocal fans who think that it's bad. They don't speak for everyone. Personally I enjoy all of it a lot and find it to be the most rewatchable release so far.
@pilotamurorei
@pilotamurorei Жыл бұрын
@@elistratton1071 if theres a japanese language interview you know of where he mentions that, I'd be down to read it. I dont read English language interviews as they make "creative decisions" with certain translations and since I'm fluent in Japanese, why even bother? lol
@lorcannagle
@lorcannagle Жыл бұрын
When I was first watching Macross 7 in the mid-2000s, I ended up changing my display name on my work IM program to "I've heard the phrase 'Sa harujamaze Saturday night, chosai wa dodai?' so many times it's begun to lose all meaning"...
@VME-Brad
@VME-Brad Жыл бұрын
One of the things I always assumed, was that the creature encountered in Macross Zero was the missing Protodevlin from 7. If you go through the information from the Protoculture and compare it to the number of Protodevlin you see in the series (the number of bodies, remember some are two in one, and Geplnich is a whole other story) they're one short. It always annoyed me that the Sound Energy System never was seen again. even for just a single episode a series where someone pulls the info out of the database and tries it on the new threat. Frontier really should have tried it at least.
@bandoleerwaltzer4912
@bandoleerwaltzer4912 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the series starts slow, but it really does get better. Some of the best music of Macross
@absa
@absa 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely, Fire Bomber must return to the franchise with an older Basara showing the new idols that there is nothing more pure than a man barging into the battlefield armed only with his guitar and voice... And I say this in total honesty haha.
@pilotamurorei
@pilotamurorei 2 жыл бұрын
and tons of music from macross 2 reused for the series (MORE PROOF MACROSS II IS CANON).
@bandoleerwaltzer4912
@bandoleerwaltzer4912 2 жыл бұрын
@@pilotamurorei They have quite a bit of fun with the Macross 2 music. So have I. I even imported volume 2 of the Macross 2 OST! Has no english translation, but volume 1 wasn't enough.
@pilotamurorei
@pilotamurorei 2 жыл бұрын
@@bandoleerwaltzer4912 And they used and unused M2 track, "sokoni aru no ga mirai dakara" on at least 4 separate occasions.
@Milliardovic
@Milliardovic Жыл бұрын
your reviews are wonderful. even if I don't agree with everything, I understand many parts that you didn't like your work. I wanted to recommend you an exceptional anime, Space Runaway Ideon. I would really like to know your opinion about this work, it has 39 eps, it's very quick to watch. success always bro.
@jocax188723
@jocax188723 2 жыл бұрын
You should see Max in his 90s. He still kicks five different kinds of ass.
@Noizemaze4
@Noizemaze4 Жыл бұрын
YO Double Zeta was LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT, this.............. egh........................
@weaselwolf
@weaselwolf Жыл бұрын
Macross 7 is where Macross became Macross, and it goes from being a military sci-fi featuring music to a military sci-fi ABOUT music. Plus and 7 were a fork in the road and for better or worse the whole series went down the road laid by 7. For better or worse, Macross 7 is the most Macross Macross to ever Macross. Only Delta really one-ups it in terms of tone and theme. That said, the low budget really does show
@ElNacho38
@ElNacho38 Жыл бұрын
I couldnt finish 7. After seeing Sylvie go into a volcano for no apparent reason, being awaken by the power of song, seeing a protoculture represented as a dull godly silhouette instead of a real alien being (and that is killed within the episode), the whole of Basara and having the words “anima spiritia” drilled into my skull for many episodes, I gave up. Basara is meant to embody the rebellious spirit of rock, peace over war, the hero, etc etc. The biggest problems I have with him are 1) his absurd plot armor (like when a protodelvin beam destroyed a frigate like it was nothing but when it hits his fighter straight on its like a gentle push) and that he is nobody. He has no past. He doesnt grow or change in any way. Why would he? He is always correct about everything, always hitting enemies none of the soldiers can even grace, fixing every possible problem with music. He should do it since he embodies the music, but again, he is a nobody. How can he embody something if he is just a shell? He wasnt human from the start, thus he cant represent a human value. After the episode where they save Sylvie, I knew the show had no surprises left. The military rival of the love triangle would lose the fight he had been failing from the start, Basara would sing to the demons and fix everything, and all that has changed is that people respect his songs more. I also hate anima spiritia. It like The Force in Star Wars if The Force couldnt affect the real world, no telekinesis or mind control or anything. A mysterious energy that connects living beings and… thats it. They present it as Lynn Minmay’s secret superpower. Except at the end of the original series they make it very clear that it wasnt the case, that she didnt have some mystical ability. The true power came from the culture nurtured by humans, something other than war that has a purpose. They completely overturn that in 7, making it so song really has a mysterious power that can solve anything. Man has had his soul forcefully removed? Use spirit power. Unconscious mysterious alien that is protected by a forcefield? Spirit power of course. The aliens wants to suck your spirit power because they feed on emotions? You guessed it, use the spirit power, that, as we know, they are so horribly allergic to. It dumbs down everything. I was actually happy when I saw the episode where the characters save city 7 from plummeting into a star by docking the battleship and using it’s fold drive to escape since its a solution that has an actual thinking process behind it. In short, even tho I love the artstyle, the music and the designs (the design of the colony ship and the fighters blew me away from the start, I have to hate the show with passion, because they put a magical plank of wood at the head of it all, and it cannot be ignored since its the same plank in every episode getting the majority of the screen. I dont like Delta because idols arent for me and the villain team that clashes again and again with the heroes without conclusion is a cliched trope, but it does the right thing at separating the pilot from the songstress. If you fuse the two you cannot get the conflict of the alpha and the omega, war against emotion. The essence of Macross.
@anibalgonzalez7990
@anibalgonzalez7990 11 ай бұрын
the words “anima spiritia” drilled into my skull -> same here... but I'm almost there... episode 40
@Iffy350
@Iffy350 Жыл бұрын
The music is underrated. I like the use of English in the Japanese songs. They could’ve cut out a few episodes at the beginning and in the middle. Also, RIP Noodleface Monster
@Javifaa
@Javifaa 3 ай бұрын
The 7 is because the numbers is written with 2 straight strokes. Same way F are 3 straight strokes, and the ∆ of macross delta (the one in the logo) are 4 strokes. Or at least that's my theory right now.
@Elios0000
@Elios0000 2 жыл бұрын
Macross 7 can summed up in one sentence.. SAVE THE GALAXY WITH THE POWER OF ROCK!, if you dont like you dont like Macross. its very 90's TV anime its low budget and ran longer then it really needed too for reasons. almost ALL 90's broadcast anime is going to have the same issues
@absa
@absa 2 жыл бұрын
Hahah "SAVE THE GALAXY WITH THE POWER OF ROCK!" totally describes M7... I did like the series, it's just the pacing that didn't work for me.
@pilotamurorei
@pilotamurorei 2 жыл бұрын
more stupid "opinions" from people who dont understand the insanely important lore that came about from M7: The Protodeviln. Do you even understand what they are? Do you understand how they impacted the entire macross lore history? No? then STFU.
@valentinvasquez761
@valentinvasquez761 Жыл бұрын
Dude, you misses the point of macross completely with that statement. Well, the original macross atleast.
@eldritchmorgasm4018
@eldritchmorgasm4018 Жыл бұрын
Different Mecha-Anime? - Gasaraki - Blue Gender - Patlabor - Eureka 7 - Broken Blade - Full Metal Panic
@michaelbenjmitchell1
@michaelbenjmitchell1 2 жыл бұрын
@Abhsalonikas You answered you own question about Macross 7. The show is named after the City ship Macross 7.
@CherniavskyDen
@CherniavskyDen Жыл бұрын
Well, I`m only started to watch Macross. I watched couple of Robotech episodes in the 90-ies, but being a little kid doesn`t understand much, apart from the cool transformer planes. Now, being over 30 years old maybe I`m a bit too late to enjoy it? I really liked original series, apart from WAY too much emphasis on Mingmay, songs, love and other non-relevant time fillers. I even skip scenes entirely in a late episodes, when I see that chinese face. I liked the concept of clash of a different cultures, cultural shock that barbaric Zentradie tuned into< when they experiencing earth culture, but there is WAY too much time spent on showing shows, songs, and Hikaru`s love doubts. Ant WAY to small time dedicated to Roy, Claudia, other interesting characters, and on a battles. And I like the original Valkyrie design. It`s very "earth", very believable. You can imagine that if humans need to made a transforming jetfighter - it`s probably gonna look like that. DYRL was good too, albeit very confusing plot for those who didn't watch the original series. And then I started to watch the other shows... Macross Plus was strange and boring. The idea of an original didn`t develops at all. We see incredibly unrealistic and stupid behavior of two supposedly profession military pilots, and one incredibly boring lady with incredibly boring songs. And a Valkyries started to looks like generic anime mecha. Then I watched Macross II. Every Tom, Dick and Harry are Valkyrie pilot now. And Valkyries is not rare state of the art elite fighter planes, but a trivial thing that even a news company have a plenty. More songs. More absolutely same enemies. Only now Zentraedi and Marduk have their own songs. The idea still didn`t develops a bit. And Valkyries are generic as well. And now I`m watching this... I think I must thank you, for saving my time from watching 7. It`s only sad for me, that from somewhat serious mecha - war - series, with interesting plot, more mature characters and believable, distinct looking Valkyries turned into generic anime circus... I better go and watch your review of the original.
@brudax117
@brudax117 2 жыл бұрын
So this is the Gundam ZZ of macross?
@absa
@absa 2 жыл бұрын
For me it was... both M7 and ZZ can be described as having a polar opposite mood from its predecessor and stretching too long its initial story arcs, yet both have a very satisfying ending.
@pilotamurorei
@pilotamurorei 2 жыл бұрын
@@absa LOL then you didnt watch Dynamite 7. M7 has a satisfying ending? yeah right.
@JTVega
@JTVega 2 жыл бұрын
To explain why they called it Macross 7? Well to understand they created many ships to travel and colonize planets that they made other ships that transform into Giant Robots same as Macross which is why they call it Macross 7 which is the 7th ship.
@absa
@absa 2 жыл бұрын
I think that I didn't explain myself correctly... I meant the number in and of itself. I know that the Macross 7 is the new vessel with Battle 7 and City 7, yet, why did the creative team decided for THAT particular number?
@JTVega
@JTVega 2 жыл бұрын
​@@absa Good Question I did some research and found the answer turns out I was wrong. I did find that Mylene Flare is the seventh and youngest daughter of Maximilian Jenius and Milia Fallyna. In fan theory, I guess the creators were going by the Jenius family line of course you don't see any of the daughters appear in Macross 2 some appear in Video games. What a surprise we see Mirage Farina Jenius who is the granddaughter makes an appearance in Macross Delta.
@pilotamurorei
@pilotamurorei 2 жыл бұрын
Macross 7 is the 7th immigration fleet (第7マクロス移民船団), deployed in 2038 from Earth. Macross frontier is the same thing, its the 25th immigration fleet, which left from Eden (along with the Macross Galaxy immigration fleet).
@pilotamurorei
@pilotamurorei 2 жыл бұрын
@@JTVega Mylene is the 7th daughter, Emilia appears in the M7 movie (shes the 5th daughter). The first daughter Komiria maria appears in the OG tv series and the PC engine CD game macross 2036, and the younger of the two twins, Terez, appears in Macross vfx-2. Mirage is the daughter of Miranda, the 6th daughter of Max and Miria (in between Emilia and Mylene). Here are all the daughters, in order of birth: Komiria Maria, Miracle, Muse and terez (twins), Emilia, Miranda, Mylene. And they have one adopted zentradi daughter Moaramia, who appears in Macross M3 for Dreamcast. According to the Macross 2 novelization, Sylvie is related to Max and Miria, but as the M2 novelization is quite different than the animated version, and the animated version all Sylvie says is "my grandmother was meltran," there is no conclusive evidence is she is the granddaughter of Max and Miria. This is evident because mirage is 18 in 2067, and shes the daughter of Miranda (born in 2049). Sylvie is 17 in 2090, meaning she would have been born in 2073. The only one of the 7 daughters she could be the daughter of is Mylene, age wise, if she is like Mirage and the granddaughter of Max and Miria.
@JTVega
@JTVega 2 жыл бұрын
@@pilotamurorei Thanks for the correction.
@weaselwolf
@weaselwolf Жыл бұрын
The trick with Basara is to not think of him as the main character but more of a feature of the story environment. He's an unchanging monolith that the other characters have to react to and grow around. Gamlin and Mylene are the real characters. Basara is a plot device.
@brunnen1
@brunnen1 2 жыл бұрын
this makes gundam zz look good
@absa
@absa 2 жыл бұрын
Haha M7 is not that bad... it's just too repetitive at the start.
@guillaumeblauwart1238
@guillaumeblauwart1238 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I started with Macross, searching for a gundam replacement as I had seen a lot of gundam already. I watched the original serie and ... seriously had a hard time, the protagonist is indecisive and not in a good way like in gundam more in a should I bang the chinese teen or the burnout adult office lady. Which made me dislike the character. I then watched Remember Love, which was better, less time lost in useless love intrigue. and then watched Macross 7 and it was a blast, loved the mecha designs, loved the song, loved the characters. Great show ! I then tried to watch another serie and could never get myself involved in it as it was always more idol oriented and less real mecha.
@michaelbenjmitchell1
@michaelbenjmitchell1 2 жыл бұрын
Macross DYRL is the Movie version of Macross though and the charachter designs from there are what you see now in the later Macross Series. You have the DYRL versions of Max Millia and Exodore in Macross 7.
@guillaumeblauwart1238
@guillaumeblauwart1238 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelbenjmitchell1 yes, I think I said I liked the movie of dyrl right? I simply preferred 7 to all other series and can't get into watching them because of that and my love of Gundam series
@nghia59
@nghia59 Жыл бұрын
Macross 7 is the name of the ship being Battle 7 and City 7.
@leronharrison1110
@leronharrison1110 Жыл бұрын
You're on the right path; it's called Macross 7 because they were the 7th Space Exploration Fleet. They discover the 5th Fleet who have been drained, brainwashed, and serving as the fighting force of the Devlin. Macross Frontier travels further out into the galaxy than 7 and refers to 7.
@CYLok
@CYLok Жыл бұрын
This series almost kill the franchise for me... But I held on... And Basara kinda grow on me... The craziness of nvr bringing a weapon to a war and forcing the enemy to listen to ur song is really out of the world. In the end I was like the antagonist of the show and song along with Basara... Especially the episode where they don't power to the dreamers.
@anibalgonzalez7990
@anibalgonzalez7990 11 ай бұрын
Basara did not grow on me. Everyone around him grows as a character but he stays as the childish selfish person he was in episode 1. He's very 1 dimensional. I want to sing, sing will bring peace, I'd do everything and drop everyone for this.
@elistratton1071
@elistratton1071 Жыл бұрын
You make these videos and speak so confidently as if you've done research but the words that you say prove that you haven't. Please take the time to do research before making statements that aren't factual. Facts matter. Rumors don't.
@absa
@absa Жыл бұрын
What exactly do you mean?
@xavierwalko4175
@xavierwalko4175 2 жыл бұрын
I am expecting G Gundam to be next then.
@absa
@absa 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know about that haha... right now I want to complete Tomino's journey through the gundam universe, so maybe it will be Turn A and maaaaybe G-Reco then. As for the rest of the gundam franchise, I think I'll stick to alternate Universal Century sagas first and then all of the AU starting with (insert-gundam-story-that's-not-seed).
@xavierwalko4175
@xavierwalko4175 2 жыл бұрын
@@absa Sorry, I was thinking a few things: -end of main UC but G, Wing, and X are somehow canon to Turn A -funni Macross to funni Gundam -first AU -maybe explain how you picture Super Robots more in depth.
@maxtrix1
@maxtrix1 Жыл бұрын
It seems a great video, but I couldn't watch it because the filter you use to avoid the KZfaq Content ID is really anoying, There better ways to avoid it. Specially you are using it to review the content you should be very safe.
@absa
@absa Жыл бұрын
Even though you're the first one to mention it... I'm pretty sure the vast majority thinks like you. The Macross copyright bots are brutal so I had to go all the way and include those annoying bars to avoid the content id. Yet if you know of a better way to avoid them, please tell me since right now I'm working in the Macross Zero vid. Thanks for your words!
@pilotamurorei
@pilotamurorei 2 жыл бұрын
And you dont even quote Kawamori as saying he would never do the same thing twice. Yeah, keep pretending you understand Macross.
@anibalgonzalez7990
@anibalgonzalez7990 11 ай бұрын
I'm watching Macross7 and it's ok... if it had been 24 episodes instead of 40+. Though IMHO it gets better the further you go on in the series. Also Basara... god, what a terrible character. Everyone around him grows as a character but he stays as the childish selfish person he was in episode 1.
@jayfink2199
@jayfink2199 Жыл бұрын
I’m gonna set it up so that every time a mecha show web says “franchise” to refer to a series with a bunch of sequel shows and side stories, and says it on a corny KZfaq video, they get an electrical shock. Please stop beating the word “franchise” to death thx
@araneaeonline2644
@araneaeonline2644 2 жыл бұрын
nekki basara is the best macross 7 is the best
@absa
@absa 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Fire Bomber is great!
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