In total fairness, Itachi basically one shots anyone who isn’t Madara at Valley of the End Level or doesn’t have sharingan with Tsukyomi/ and you can argue he was barely trying against Sasuke as he literally wanted him to win.

@@thatdiavologuy3568 Itachi wanted him to win but he was basically already dying from whatever weird chakra-disease he has. Sure, he didn't try to actually take him out, but he still basically dueled Orochimaru in pseudo-sage mode and came out on top just before the end. Any version of Itachi that didn't battle Sasuke and therefore wasn't an edo tensei would only have a couple of minutes of fight left in him, let alone the fact that he has overused his mangekyo to the point that they barely function anymore.

I hope u know that what u listed is a "free for all" & not a "team work" battle.

@@Rck-vert I hope you're aware that that's not the point.

@@henrikhumle7255 It is... Teamwork is when everyone is working together to accomplish a goal, what u listed see's no one working together - only everyone doing what they want. The akatsuki are aware of each other powers and can work together just like in storm.

Bro same I knew it was coming 😂😂😂

raw durability

Hahaha when I saw the thumbnail I thought this was an excuse to piss off kakuzu defenders xD

Fr, that debate was funny as FUCK

Kakuzu is fodder especially compared to characters like Madara also kakuzu isnt even interesting and I hate both kakuzu and hidan just because they are so annoying Everytime they are on screen I just can't wait to watch them die and I like some of the annoying Akatsuki members like deidara and sasori arguing about art is pretty cool also can we point out Obito has the best sense of humor he puts people that argue together all the time kakuzu and hidan and sasori and deidara Obito is just trying to be funny when pairing people together and it's working

I mean...probably

Equal to perfect jinchurikis*

@@joemamaisobama5788 Nah, Kakuzu clearly let Hashirama win to keep his true power secret.

@@SatorisYT yeah his raw durability is way too op

@@joemamaisobama5788 without the stiches

Get blocked by itachi's susano'o and the Akatsuki have lunch

@@RideTheGamer You’re dumb Have lunch

@@RideTheGamer can itachis susanoo block 25 wood clone susanoo? While dealing with the real madara perfect susanoo as well?

Not even going to tease with a couple of meteors first? Just straight to the money shot right away? Come on, man...

@@grievingstereo8527 it was literally stated to be unbreakable and I highly doubt the Akatsuki would let itachi 1v1 madara

Noodles can stay mad

@@dan._.5720 Yugito nii bro. HIgh Kage tier brooooo

I thought u were serious for a second lol

@@aaby3964 lol

He’s stronger you’re right

Kakazu beats the dbz verse low difficulty

Yessir kakuzu would accidentaly fart and annihialate the dbz verse

akatsuki still stomp 5 kage

Nah the 5 kage sad they got carried by a 90 year old

@@charleswhitefullbusteruchi1972 yup... only one who can do something is the Raikage, but can't touch Obito. same goes for Ohnoki. Akatsuki stomps

@@denisucuuu i can see the raikage getting genjutsu'd. itachi's smarts with obito's kamui should be able to cook sum up

It would be more fait to compare Alive Madara vs Alive Akatsuki because edo Madara is a complete different beast. Madara without Hashirama cells, Rinnegan and unlimited chakra would be a lot more feasable for the akatsuki to fight against, same goes for the 5 kage.

Maybe Orochimaru but not Sasori. Even characters like Sakura were able to survive his poison.

Hashirama Cells can resist to poison

@@Romanj28 aint that fucking convenient?

@@wadley-dono7221 Hashirama Cells can regenerate Cells after they been killed off by the Poison so basically Madara being Poison is pointless.

@@AOSGAMINGNEWS because of plot armor 😭

"How do you beat Madara?" _"You break his heart and shatter his trust in others!"_

“Oh no, anyways..” *awakens mangekyo rinnegan*

My boi Deidara gets disrespected left and right. Poor guy.

Sasuke literally only won because lightning beats rock... but... think about that for a sec. That doesn't make any bit of sense! Like, what the hell? Lightning beats EARTH? There's no way... Kishimoto fucked up. It should have been the exact OPPOSITE. Sasuke's chidori'd sword should have had it's lightning absorbed by the earth style mine, and Sasuke should have been blown up right then and there, and Naruto could go bug someone else. Actually, I could see Naruto wanting to go to Itachi himself and demanding to know why he killed his clan and put Sasuke through so much torture, and Itachi already knows Naruto is a good kid that cared a lot for Sasuke, so I could see Itachi accepting the fate of his sickness and telling Naruto the full truth. BUT this takes place after Naruto vs. Pain as like a final Akatsuki member hunt down, where we get Guy coming back to hidden leaf after it was destroyed and immediately going after Kisame while Naruto and Sakura go after Itachi. And Itachi more or less knows that he's not going to win against this sage Naruto in his condition, but still gives a good fight because he wants to test Naruto himself to see if he has any chance at Tobi, who Itachi reveals to be Obito. But then Zetsu tell Obito that Itachi revealed his identity to Naruto, so he goes after Kakashi for the second eye and since Kakashi isn't really recovered yet from Pain fight, it's more Tobi revealing his true identity to Kakashi while casually popping the eye out. And Obito's plan in this alternate universe isn't to resurrect Madara, so Kabuto and the war arc don't happen, but Obito, now with both Mangekyou goes after Naruto and B. Kills B, has power of 1-8 tails in the statue (which is not the 10 tails nonsense, it's just the crazy statue that Nagato used against Hanzo, but CRAZY amped now). Word starts to spread about Obito killing B, and the Leaf village gets help from Raikage (who wants revenge) and Gaara knows Naruto is in trouble, so he's coming too. And in this grand finale of Obito fucking EVERONE up, Deidara comes back and HATES Tobi, so he tries to fight but isn't good and he does C0 explosion as Obito is sucking him INTO Kamui from short range, and Deidara blows RIGHT as/before getting finished being absorbed and that nuclear size explosion is compressed right in front of Obito's eye and face and his eye is blown up and he's only left with the long range kamui and everyone gets the upper hand on him, and Naruto talk to him at the end like in the war, but Naruto fails and Obito dies a sad human. The end. Oh and during the fight Naruto get passionate about protecting and not giving up his nine tails and how he wants to change the nine tails from being hateful. The nine tails respect Naruto a little bit more and tells him is real name, but still hates him. And after Obito climax ends, the post main story stuff is Naruto travelling the world like how Sasuke did, and learning about the ninja world and trying to figure out how to control the nine tails completely to become a perfect jinchuriki like B was. And eventually finding the resurrected 1-8 tails and makes sure they stay free and respected. THEN he goes back to the village after many years and Kakashi is Hokage at this point and this is when Naruto studies to be Jonin and eventually hokage. But in the meantime he does Jonin things while using what he learned about the world to reform the leaf village with Kakashi to make the village a better place, and eventually Kakashi steps down after he and Gaara help establish political peace between the 5 great nations (Maybe sprinkle in a small war between Stone and Sand and this is where we get Onoki vs Gaara, and somehow Onoki ends up with mad respect for Gaara, like how in the actual series it took time between the 5 kage summit and the war for Onoki to fully respect Gaara). Now with Naruto as Hokage he continues to strive for the ninja world peace that Jiraya wanted, which he can do better than anyone since he travelled and learned about the darkenss of the world and became friends with the tailed beasts and what-not.

@@TyroPirate While an interesting what-if alternate timeline... Why did you write this here, and what even was the segway or point to it-

deidara can theoretically basically solo anyone in naruto shippuden as long as they don’t have some way of seeing his microscopic bombs. Just saying. And he pushed sasuke so hard whilst being hard counters in every way. He is so underrated

It's funny that the elements beating each other is a thing when this happens literally nowhere else in the entire verse with Haku vs Saskue coming to mind, Kekkai Genkai and Kinjutsu (Deidara's technique is a combo of both) are above basic ninjutsu and can't be defeated this way, Deidara has to use to nature releases to use his jutsu (earth and lightning, tho this might be just a fan theory), and the fact that Saskue still got hit by Deidara and Deidara himself never got hit by genjutsu at any point in the fight (getting stabbed while on the dragon was a feint for a clone explosion).

Do u think the akatsuki has the dps to break madaras perfect susanoo? Like who??? Plz don’t say dadaras c2 or c4 it couldn’t even blow through garas sand

Let me add itachis susano is something madara can deal with easily with the range he gains with the perfect Susanno even if itachi has dps with his soul sealing sword he can’t use it if he blocks he’s fucked Bc madara has 2 swords and itachi 1 shield. Not to mention susano clones

@@linktoeverything3897 itachis totsuka blade of his susano has astral offense meaning anything it touches would be instantly sealed into the gourd, also his shield is astral defense meaning literally no amount of damage done by madara could break it, with obito there to help itachi I could see just those 2 having a shot against madara. If you throw in all the other members as distractions I think their chances get even better.

@@linktoeverything3897 fuck no they don’t have it even his lower body susano tanked the 10 tails continental attack let not even his armored Susano let alone perfect susano which would be way above that

@@linktoeverything3897 Obito and Itachi both working together and getting a team attack going would definitely budge Madara’s Susanoo. Adding in the rest of the Akatsuki, who probably gets the emergency synergy improvement that the Kage got against Madara, and this battle is not nearly as one sided as you think.

War arc Obito is so damn underrated, he still can use Kamui

Mo

What madara?

Yeah the databook statement says their the same level

@@davisacademy1088 no it doesn’t say they’re on the same level. The statement says they both wage war against the shinobi with their overwhelming power

That would make sense if he didn't keep doing it. Like yeah fighting sloppy cause he's got new tricks makes sense, after almost losing 3 separate times though it's just dumb, which is just as bad.

Yeah, I mean, the Akatsuki is designed around the idea that each of its members (except Hidan) should be able to tackle an imperfect jinchuriki, and that 2 would be a pretty safe win. Madara can handle the whole bunch of them.

@@henrikhumle7255 very true, but a six pointed out. All lot off ppl think hidan is fodder, yet he could probably do the same thing madara did against the shinobi alliance grunts, on a smaller scale.

@@Sky7Farrior No he couldn't. He's not that fast, and his combat abilities are all based around pure, mindless aggression, since his gimmick is to just inflict a small wound and then cheese his opponent. Even Asuma would've basically beat him if Kakuzu wasn't there to back him up and put his head back on his shoulders. He doesn't have a pair of sharingan enabling him to read multiple opponents attacking from all sides at once, so even with immortality, he'd end up dismantled pretty quick, which no way to put himself back together. Never mind the fact that for his gimmick to work, he has to first wound an opponent and then stand still within the confines of his ritual circle, leaving him completely exposed. If the people surrounding him make the reasonable assumption that his target is a goner anyway, they'll just take him out while he's in the circle, sacrificing the one guy. It makes absolutely no sense to suggest that he could take on multiple opponents the way Madara did. That's not why he's a tactically sound fit for the Akatsuki to begin with. His whole thing is surprising his opponent with his strange gimmick in a 1v1 and then disabling said target. There's no way you can look at his abilities and say that he could effectively take on multiple opponents.

@@henrikhumle7255 While I agree Asuma needed Shikamaru's help against Hidan for him to beat him without Kakuzu.

@@lfb7834 UHm... Did you forget to type the other half of your comment? ^^' You started with "While I agree..." which would suggest a counterpoint. But you just agreed? xD But yeah, I really don't see a scenario in which Hidan would do any real damage the way Madara did. He has no feats to show that he's really that competent as a fighter. He's strong in a 1v1, because all he needs to do is would his opponent, and then it's basically a K.O. He can afford to fight more recklessly given his immortality.

Same lol

you can learn something tho :D

Itachi solos madara with one jutsu izinami. You know how he beat kabuto. I don't understand u guys smh

@@kinglou1908 what is there to not understand if we're saying we don't watch naruto?

@@greedy_arts3807 prolly a troll, best to ignore

Well no, because you're able to wrestle using your soul so unless the Human Path is physically stronger than Madara, no they ain't taking his soul

Poison from Sasori or Deidara microbe bombs. The akutsuki have the tailed beasts and can fill the gedo statue or put the 10 tails into an akutsuki

I've seen people say what if Obito has hidan in the kamui realm and if someone somehow manages to get even a scratch on him. Maybe from him messing around or anything Obito can send whoever got it to hidan give him a taste of the blood and he's dead

@@christopher7692 That's not a bad strategy, assuming you could canonically get either of them to agree to it. But we don't actually know whether or not Hidan's ritual has a maximum range, or whether being in a different dimension would interfere with it. Likewise, we don't know if it would be effective against someone with Hashirama-level regen, so any version beyond base Edo Tensei Madara could possibly be immune to the kind of physical damage Hidan inflicts. But it's not a bad strategy if we assume that Hidan's ritual has infinite range and cross-dimensional capabilities.

@@bjrnthebootybandit micro bombs gets countered the same way sasuke did. Poison wouldn’t work on hasirama cells+ it’s to slow to hit madara or too weak to penetrate his sussano before dying

Or, like how obito stated he underestimated konan and was off guard. With Naruto he was atleast taking him seriously and had the rinnegan amp.

@@grievingstereo8527 I'm talking about Minato not Naruto. Obito at age 14 tanked a rasengan from Minato.

Ok going by your logic konan would've severely crippled base jiraya or outright kill him, oh wait, jiraya wiped her in 5 seconds Pain said to konan, "you're trash, don't even try to take on base jiraya or fatigued base naruto"

@@grievingstereo8527 All I said was Konan has Biju level AP as she was able to damage Obito who tanked Minato's rasengan, what does Jiraiya have to do with what I said? I never said Konan scales to or above anyone, I just said she has Biju AP(which makes sense since she's an Akatsuki member)

@@agentd.0096 maybe like Gamabunta water bullet level at best, or shukaku casual attack at best. Her damaging is just a major outlier

True plus water shark bomb absorbs Chakra so just shoot a water shark bomb

@@christopher7692 yes exactly what I was saying

@@Oroku2473 a argument for them winning as well is let's say Obito puts hidan in the kamui dimension and he sets up the ritual in there. As soon as someone anyone gets even a drop of blood maybe from a scratch or anything Obito kamuis them to hidan and it's a gg

@@christopher7692 a little convoluted but it could definitely work.

@@christopher7692 There are many hax that goes in Akatsuki's favour that people forget. -If Hidan gets a drop of blood and does the ritual, it's a gg. -If Sasori hits madara with his poison, it's a gg. -If Itachi does any of his MS tecniques, it could be a GG. -If Obito touches Madara, it's a gg. -If Kisame absorbs all of Madara's chakra with his OP chakra absorbing jutsu and samehada, it's a gg. -If Deidara drops a fucking nuke in his ass, it's a gg. -If Konan lures him into a 1 billion paper bomb trap somehow, it's a gg. -If Pain: *Summons the Demonic Statue *Uses chaotic Shinra Tensei *Uses Chibaku Tensei *Takes a hold of his soul *Absorbs all of his chakra It's a gg.

That is a 50/50 but it's a good point.

First this is just Madara vs Akatsuki, not post revive. Regardless we never see Sasori's poison go against a healing factor to judge, but he knows people can have regen and he's after Jinchuuriki that all have regen from there Bijuu. Doubt he's just ignored that possibility.

@@nahte123456 We have seen poison affect Naruto to the point of taking him out completely. But yes, Hashirama's cells might just handle the poison.

@@m.caeben2578 I could totally be forgetting, but the only time I can remember Naruto being poisoned is from the Demon Nrothers. Even then he didn't actually lose because of it, Kakashi even notes he was healing soon after, and this was back when the Seal was at its tightest. I don't think that's a good basis for poison working on him.

@@nahte123456 I mean he was poisoned from Sakura's kunai when he tried to save her from Sasuke's attack. This is when Kakashi decided to battle Sasuke in Shippuden.

Madara destroys

@@caneloex5897 Tenten destroys him.

they still lose, regardless of whether they were not in the mood that day or were at their maximum potential in that specific period of time

he didnt speed blitz 😂😂😂

>White zetsu in the war used a wood style jutsu that held off the third hokage >Third Hokage was stated that one time in a databook to be the strongest Hokage >Ergo, white zetsu is stronger than Hashirama, who is stronger than Madara > White Zetsu stomps GG ez

Isn't it powercliffed?

Technically he should be able to but wouldnt be nearly fast enough to fight a limbo clone.

@@insanoibro6331 nearly? he wouldnt be able to react at all

If we use alive Madara as an example, what can the akatsuki do to a susanoo covered nine tails?

Sasori would have to actually HIT Madara for that to work.

das assumin dat om obito is as fast as madara which would not be true

@@grindtogreatness-gtg it's more so assuming the team can create an opening for him to do it

I mean… madara trained obito so he knows his power and probably knows how to deal with it

@@linktoeverything3897 Madara died soon after Obito got Kamui, how would Madara ever know what Kamui does until the war? Zetsu also wouldn't be able to know exactly what it does either

Arguments evolve with new published material. Scaling also changes.

When you zoom out at the broader scale, like part one characters to end of Shippuden characters, sannin level is a pretty decent chunk of scale somewhere in the middle. It's certainly below Edo Madara level I agree it's definitely not an exact term, but it does describe a specific range of power levels.

More like Jiraiya is implied to be *able* to beat Pain with hax, intel and catching them all off-guard Tsunade has better feats than all of them (Not taking in account revived Orochimaru) in the war btw

orochimaru n jiraya r stated to be equals

@@grindtogreatness-gtg feats over statements

Jiraiya ain't beating pain

loo

I like the connections, just to be taken more seriously one can add more precision. For example, it was the combined efforts of Gaara and Ohnoki that stopped the meteor. And the role of Ohnoki was not a feat of physical strength, but of lightening the meteor as much as possible. However, I agree Sasori is incredible. Chiyo did constantly stalemate Hanzo of the Salamander in the Second Shinobi War. I take Sasori's melee attack of a couple of puppets would constantly drive Madara back as it took Chiyo two puppets each with weapons on both extremities just to stalemate Sasori's Third Kazekage puppet.

Why in gods name would ANYONE think Kakuzu has any chance of defeating Madara????? I really hope it’s not cause he survived an encounter….That’s a 5 second video at best

@@Shahido2017 LMFAOOOOOOO gottem

@@Ordracusmaster dammit you got me 😂😂

@@Ordracusmaster you’d be surprised I’ve seen people say it’s a legitimate fight without trolling

@@Shahido2017 nah I have too that’s kinda the point in me saying that lmao

The tailed beasts are weaker without a host because they're pretty stupid The 9 tails being an exception So in reality it's more than a 2x strength diff since it was only the 8 tailed version

what's that supposed to mean bro? lmao

@@sixfromtokyo I've been getting shit recommended and besides Seth and swag I like watching your vids

Probably because they went straight into a ads when the video started

I like that you even took time out to discuss Hidan, as though he wouldn't just "Aight, I'm out!" on that whole fight.

@@henrikhumle7255 literally

@@D-MAZE He even says himself that he's the slowest of the bunch. Why would he even *try* to fight one of the top-5 fastest people that ever lived, who has hax-eyes that can read and predict anyone's movements. Both him and Kakuzu would never agree to something that stupid. Kakuzu's loyalty to the Akatsuki only goes as far as they are willing to pay him, and Hidan is literally just there because it's an easy way to make sacrifices. In fact, loyalty is one of the key reasons why Akatsuki teamwork at that kind of level would never work. Half the people in the organization are there for entirely selfish reasons. Hidan and Kakuzu are there for profit. Deidare is there because he has a low-key crush on Itachi, who is actually a double-agent himself. Sasori is Sasori; who know why he does anything? Obito and Zetsu are manipulating everyone. Depending on which version we're talking about, Kisame, Pain and Kanon are either aware of the true objective of the Akatsuki or they share a false ideology, but that's it.

if it was rinnegan obito it wouldve been different

*Fastest in taijutsu, and that is Han, the five tails jinchuuriki

Good arguments, but I have one question for you: how are any of these things getting through a Perfect Susano'o, exactly? Also, Madara has clones. He literally turned a 1v5 into a 25v5 against the Kage, and he's vastly more powerful than any one of the Akatsuki. It's far from a simple 1v11 fight.

@@TheRealSarceus well it’s not like they themselves can’t create clones all of them can and on top of that these aren’t gonna be clones using the perfect susanoo and shit like they are in the fight vs the kage as that’s hashirama cell reanimated madara not the one I mentioned. I also think a good deal of what I mentioned could penetrate the perfect susano like deidaras final explosion his mini bombs into madaras lungs totska blade from Itachi almighty push from pain not to mention the numbers argument even with clones looks even worse for madara when you rmemeber pain has the gedo rebirth statue and could bring back any of the akatsuki from the dead

1) hidan would get blitzed 2) deidara would get blitzed 3) itachi will also get blitzed + totsuka blade is either to slow or a non factor 4) pain is also to slow n would get blitzed 5) obito would actually put up a fight but ultimately lose bcuz madara can jus outlast him 6) kisame prob dies from absorbing to much chakra at once n samehada hates fire style which madara can use against him ( say if kisame was to try absorb a humanoid susanoo or imperfect susanoo he dies from takin in to much chakra ) 7) konan had prep time against obito n even den madara can either jus blitz her or do the same thing obito did (izanagi) 8) orochimaru gets blitzed

@@wideout7838 madara can use reg shadow clones lol , manda was able to survive deidara's c0 n also madara v4 susanoo ( not perfect susanoo ) tanked a full 9 tails biju bomb dat weak c0 deidara got not doin shit n das literally jus givin up a memeber lol , pain cant bring back any of the akatsuki bcuz hes not the one inflecting damage or killin them not to mention das only a nagato ability not the paths of pain ( n depending on how far nagato is away from the fight he cant jus bring back every from the dead as seen wen jiraya wasnt able to be brought back to life ) also madara sharingan can jus detect nagato's where abouts n kill the akatsuki n den proceed to kill nagato

Only because kisame took it head on thinking he could absorb it with shark bomb.

@@amishverma8415 completely fair, but still what happened

@@McBeefRod there was a reason he lost in 1 move not cause he doesn’t have feats equal to 7th gate that’s a terrible argument

@@seanchristian7677 he doesn’t the only time you actually see guy do any kind real fighting the 7th gate is against jubii madara gai could blitz kiss’s me if he was on ground plus the hirudora was shot to incapacitate him not kill him. Plus it was air shot under high pressure water so it’s power was reduced Guy only opens the 7th gate twice in the series

@@Noblesavage31 tf around u talking about nobody is talking about madara

Naw we need to see if Madara can take on the "Six" Squad. The Past 5 Hokage, The Mizukage, the Raikage, the Kazekage(Garra or Rasa?), and all members of the Akatsuki.

@@zelz3011 Madara stomps unless it isn’t sage madara 2x or ten tails

madara still absolutely stomps

@@6paths988 Just goes to show the level "Six" is at.

If you include orochimaru and have him summon the 4th hokage? Im gonna say hes gonna summon 1st 2nd anď 3rd hokage as well, and then madara would get overwealmed in edo form, maybe he would get overwealmed when alive especially if he doesnt have ninetails.

It doesn’t even have to be that specific. If the akautsk had at least a few hours to come up with a half decent Strategy then maybe they have a chance. Naruto has examples of team work somewhat evenings out battles . I don’t understand why it’s just thrown to the wayside in every debate like this. Other than it’s hard to think of a strategy that these guys would

​@@danzeljohnson3341 eh, i think personally, any strategy that involves only the akatsuki as they are without any sharing of techniques and equipment (namely the poison) is doomed to failure. Madara can use shadow clones, and even if each of them can't use susanoo (as in, that's a wood clone exclusive), they're still more than enough to make sure that only Obito and possibly Minato could actually reach him, but I feel confident that neither of them can do enough damage to take him out with just their regular stats and techniques, since they're only likely to land one or two hits at most before dying, they'd need the poison to even have a chance.

@@momotheone9700 those edo versions are way way way weaker dan their actual selves i dont see madara strugglin at all with dem especially since old man hiruzen was able to react n fight them hes not gettin overwhelmed shit madara would jus be happy to see hashirama lol

@@grindtogreatness-gtg Orochimaru was the one who summoned the Edo Hokage in the Fourth War, why use his imperfect version of Edo Tensei from Part 1?

We have no reason to assume that's the case. Is this stated somewhere?

@@heroricspiritfreinen38 Sasuke had a six paths amped rinnegan, and it was a rinnesharigan, not a normal rinnegan. So I think its fair to assume that's the reason he can see them, I doubt a regular rinnegan could see them.

@@lost8257 no, a rinnesharingan is that red third eye that madara and kaguya had. What Sauske has is a regular Rinnegan with tomoe allowing him to use both Rinnegan and mangekyou abilities with that eye.

@@retroking2749 The only difference I see is that it's not red. It still had the tomoe, and still has it's own specific ability.

@@lost8257 And one is a rinnesharingan and one is just a regular rinnegan. That is the difference, plus You can’t do infinite tsukuyomi without it.

There are 4 wars in the show

@@twitchballingking519 Stone village vs Konoha. Konoah vs the cloud village The leaf vs Obito

"B-but muh Kishimoto interview, Itachi genius...."

Obito with gedo statue would give Obito the edge

nah

@@rayvonvelez3129 You forgetting the bigger picture - he has healing, can use all Rinnegan abilities, has Kamui, just under him in speed, can use Edo Tensei jinchuriki (who can all use V2 state) as his paths of pain.

@@aymanriki1018 true.

This is very correct, because juubi madara is faster than kakashi one mangekyo

Zetsu never said the words “infinitely weaker”. He said the team of Kakashi & Minato would kill him.

@@izunadara1894 I know that he didn't say infinitely weaker... But what he said implies he's taht much weaker... And he didn't say anything about team...

@@antonio19xy He said “The moment I separate from you (Obito) these TWO will kill me.” He was obviously talking about the team of Kakashi and Minato since they were the only two ninja there, lol. It wasn’t just Kakashi he was talking about.

@@izunadara1894... OK so even if we take the implication that he meant that it takes both of them to do so... Even if we say it needs both of them... How does that change anything.... Minato and Kakashi together can't do shit to jubudara...

Nah itachi~pain> sage Jiraiya> base Jiraiya~> urashiki> adult sasuke> 3 eyed juubidara 💀😂

@@Dj-fb8bs 🗿🗿

fr 😂

What you talking about?

they're all dead..

@@zelz3011 because boruto scaling is trash, characters like jirayia and kid Naruto were putting hands on urashiki while adult sasuke who is beyond kaguya wasn’t able to do much on urashiki

@@s.a9764 OK I heared things that Debunk that. 1 Kid Naruto is already a beast and might be using some of that great power. 2 Urashiki might have been exhausted and poisoned so their power would be heavily nerfed. 3: To be Released (Like Dokkan) And with all those things said Boruto scaling doesn't seem overly wack it's just the fact that people can't seem to understand that part 3 character's might end up stronger than certain part 2 characters especially the ones near the end game.

Not the dms he gave to kakashi tho cuz that had sage powers or sum so that would be unfair and madara would get stomped if u don’t make it a different madara but I’m sure u kno that u expert u

No, I don’t agree. While It’s clear that Jirobo would win, I’d say mid diff.

@@vietcongwarlord6931 normally i'd say 0.1% max power needed but I suppose you're right and im downplaying the teamwork factor. 0.18% max power at most

why? I gave reasons for it lol

@@sixfromtokyo You can't really use pt1 to accurately scale people like kisame and Itachi, a lot of it is retconned. Kakashi in pt1 can't move for a couple of days after using the most basic sharingan powers like copying jutsu and rading movement.... He is struggling against Zabuza who is in pt1 nowhere near akatsuki level lets be real...

@@vdj18.64 Kakashi got stronger after the Zabuza encounter because of training so he could've just trained and got to Biju level there is no issue with that especially since he's fighting people who literally have the job of beating Biju. like stuff can be retconned that's fine but you'd have to show anything about their power was retconned which it isn't there was just a 3 year time skip where everyone got stronger.

@@sixfromtokyo well my point is that akatsuki at that time was also very much nerfed, even tho they were obviously not trying, i believe itachi warned kisame to be careful about guy (itachi doesn't show any knowledge about gates or the fact that guy can open them, so it would mean he thinks base guy is competent enough), also the thing where they run from Jiraiya( yeah itachi could have just been trying to scare kisame so they dont have to fight him but if Kisame and itschi are both biju level here i really doubt Kisame eould believe base Jiraiya is taking out 2 biju level fighters...)

@@sixfromtokyo also about kakashi training, im pretty sure we haven't seen him training a lot... And the amount of training to take him for zabuza level to biju level would be crazy.... It would actually take a really good power up which he didn't get, im sorry i just don't see Kakashi at biju level until maybe Kakuzu fight and that is also debatable

Why you acting like Madara has Amaterasu. 1: This might work but the issue is that Hidan needs to be in that circle and if removed well yeah. Madara could just use Earth Style or wood that comes up from the earth to disrupt the circle. 2: Sasori's poison does make sense for versions affected. 3: This is questionable I don't completely doubt it but I guess I would have to know Madara's durability as he might have tanked a Rasen in one of his forms which would possibly scale higher than Deidara's attacks. 4: I don't know if Obito can do that unless he has DMS or Kakashi's also the ability might just not be fast enough for that purpose. 5: Toutska blade GG unless yeah. 6: KCM Naruto was able to resist the Human Path so I assume Madara can just use his Susanoo and arm to grab his soul back and since he's not as limited and even KCM Naruto could do something using the Rasengan which was sadly absorbed since this isn't Nagato but Pain he wouldn't have 2 abilities unless the Preta path is right there so his second Susanoo arm could just blast the path away if not destroy it. = How does he extinguish it honestly I thought at first you were talking about Rinnegan where he could just absorb it but it seems you are more implying he has Ama or Kagetsuchi when really all we might know comes from the games in his time reversal which funnily enough if works on himself or objects he points it at would just make Ama cease. The thing with Izanami is weird because I don't know if it would affect Madara and if it would have the same effect it did on Kabuto as Madara might be able to trick his way out of the Genjutsu and still be a foe. Now I know Pain was most likely holding back but the Chibaku couldn't instakill 6 Tails Naruto and I would assume even Madara's ribcage could possibly be around that level or higher even if the Chibaku is stronger Madara might actually just be able to focus his Chakra and break out as a Perfect Susanoo. Even Perfect Susanoo Itachi would struggle just because he most likely would be weaker despite now possibly being the strongest member just because the difference between the strongest member and MADARA is clearly shown when Kabuto shows Edo Madara and Tobi is in shock.

Just, no, lol

Lemme address all your points in the order you made them. >Pain and samehada could absorb it The Preta Path is absolute fodder. Any clone of Madara could take it out the moment it got close to the Susano'o. And even if you have him get close and actually try to absorb the Susano'o, we know that absorption is not instantaneous; Jiraiya's Rasengan and Naruto's rasenshuriken, for example, hanged on for a good while before being done in, meaning something like a Susano'o would take a lot longer than the Preta Path can survive for. Samehada can only take a few chakra tails at once. Even if you say that is enough to wipe out a more basic form of Susano'o at once, it is nowhere _close_ to enough to take on the larger forms of Susano'o. And again, same argument as with Pain, _at best_ Kisame gets one swipe before getting obliterated, which is not at all a guarantee. >Obito can phase through and throw him out Obito needs to materialize before throwing someone out, and the moment he does that, it's going to kill him in close proximity to Madara. The Alive version is _way_ more powerful physically than Obito, and the Edo version has the Rinnegan. I don't think I need to mention how either of those things kinda fuck Obito if he tries to push Madara out of his Susano'o. >Itachi Susano'o, C0 Itachi is actually a good point here, there is no reason why the Totsuka Blade shouldn't be able to seal away part of the chakra it comes into contact with. Then again, his Susano'o is not very mobile at all, so actually getting close to Madara would be a struggle. C0 is an almost instant team wipe for the Akatsuki, and Alive Madara should rather easily be able to just get out of there the way Sasuke did it. Edo Madara is, well, an Edo, so he wouldn't even need to. >Make Madara Bleed There is nothing that makes Madara immune to Hidan's jutsu if he actually manages to perform the ritual. But it's not really logical to assume it would actually get to that stage. They are oh so very slow compared to Madara, who also has the ability to summon one of, if not the absolute best defensive technique in the show, the Susano'o. He also has the Rinnegan and Sharingan, allowing him to react to everything around him much faster. And he also has clones, either Shadow Clones or Wood clones depending on the version, to help keep others entertained and overwhelmed. And even through ALL OF THAT, if you still want to give Hidan the blood and make him do the ritual preparations uninterrupted, he would likely just gloat and laugh maniacally and get himself shoved off the platform before long. It's Hidan, he is a grade A dumbass. Granted, it is entirely possible that everyone else just bombards Hidan with jutsu the moment he actually enters his ritual form, but even then it assumes most people survived Madara's blood drawing fight, which is unlikely to say the least.

>Sasori poison, Deidara microscopic bombs If Sakura was able to survive getting submerged in Sasori's poison, so can Madara, there is no room for argument there. Added to that, Sasori releasing a bunch of poison would probably kill a lot of the Akatsuki members as well, and if they tried to move away, it would give Madara confirmation that he should not inhale that thing. You also just have to think that poison doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If it was that easy to just kill Madara, you'd think he would be long dead already considering how many enemies he made. Deidara's C4 cloud was very much visible to Sasuke, with a base sharingan, and he could counter it rather effectively with his lightning release. Madara has access to all 5 nature transformations, so I don't see why he wouldn't be able to do the same. He can also just move away and have the explosions kill off every other member of the Akatsuki, Edo Madara could also just absorb the jutsuif it came near him. >Pain pulling Madara towards the Totsuka Blade Kakashi was able to resist the effects of Bansho Tenin with just a chain. He eventually gave out, but the fact he could even momentarily halt the pull with something do basic should give an idea that something like that wouldn't quite work against someone well above and beyond the Five Kage. And yes, he would toy with the Akatsuki, that is correct. Doesn't mean he would lose though.

nagato / pain n kisame / samehada cant absorb dat much energy / chakra in a short period of time they would literally die or explode from so much chakra absorbsion ntm dat absorbing the Perfect susanoo would take ages maybe days to do , das assumin obito jus doesnt get blitz b4 dat which he would cuz hes slower dan madara lol , pain gets speed blitz ( n madara jus takes back his fuckin rinnegan ) , itachi gets speed blitzed n deidara c0 gets tanked by madara susanoo lol madara can easily handle 1000 puppets den proceed to blitz sasori since the sharingan which detects chakra would see the main source of chakra which would be comin from sasori's heart n stab it out lol , 6 paths of pain gets speed blitz , hidan is gettin blitz n his head literally ripped out off , hidan ritual doesnt take a "couple seconds" he has to one get the blood to take it in his body den make his little circle n den he usually jus boosts about jashin n watever bs , meanwhile ( dis is givin hidan the benefit of the doubt to even get the blood in the 1st place ) madara would instantly jus rush him n speed blitz lol , madara is not jus gonna sit there n inhail the poison 1st of second off madara jus blitzes sasori , deidara's microbombs get negged bcuz madara can jus sense the amount of chakra in the air n either speed blitz deidara b4 dis happens or genjutsu him if he manages to pull off microbombs jus like sasuke did , no its stated dat out of all the tailed beast that kurama is the most powerful due to his hatred always ampin him in power n him in general jus bein leagues above the other tailed beats , like half of the 9 tails was above the 8 tails , madara has the full 9 tails + his Perfect susanoo which madara himself stated is a rival of dat to the 9 tails . again samehada cant absorb dat much chakra all at once lol

@@nicolaszan1845 I mean, Sakura literally had the antidote made especially for his poison, there's a lot of room to debate here.

@@t.n.h.ptheneohumanpatterna8334 Nah, Universal pull+human path=GG.

I feel like kcm minato can take out the akatisuki as well

@@t.n.h.ptheneohumanpatterna8334 no not even close

@@momotheone9700 definitely lol he is stronger than any forms of obito apart from juubito

@@momotheone9700 nagato CT gg

Pain is too weak to fight edo madara, now if it was prime alive nagato vs edo madara thats much closer