Tons of scalers put sonic above goku

Not that he needs it

Low multi where base sonic is casually

@@reggielacey2235 5d or 6d where base Goku scales casually.

sonic destroys goku cope

Ok? Goku isn't even 5d

@@reggielacey2235 alright?

Not that it matters as game sonic would one shot in base

@reggielacey2235 I don't think he one shots goku in base but he outhaxes him badly

There's the multiverse which is infinite, 4D. After that follows the marginaryworld which contains infinite amount of extra-dimensional (5D) worlds spawning infinite sets of universe sized dreams across all timelines and universes that exist within the multiverse thus creating infinite levels of infinite 5D worlds stacking upon each other, making it a 6D structure. Along with the marginaryworld, the cosmic interstate has 5 spatial dimensions with 1 temporal dimension, also making it a 6D structure. Solaris is stated to be a super-dimensional being who exists above time and it nearly destroyed all of time and space at birth, which includes the marginaryworld and the cosmic interstate, both being 6D structures, 7D. After that comes Sonic Rush, in which Eggman along with Eggman Nega planned to use the Egg Salamander which was powered up by both the Chaos Emeralds and the Sol Emeralds to create a realm that transcended all dimensions using their invention, which would also include Solaris, 8D. Aside from the Egg Salamander, there's also the Time Eater, who was able to override the time travel that erased Solaris in order to pull Crisis City, a location that from the alternate future affected by Iblis while also keeping Solaris erased from existence, meaning that the Time Eater dimensionally transcends Solaris, 8D as well. Then there's The Next Evolution which is a higher plane of reality that serves as an afterlife to echidnas of the brotherhood of guardians, upon entering The Next Evolution their souls become irrelevant to the concept of time, 9D. The Virtual Zone goes even further and transcends The Next Evolution as the realm for the Ancient Walkers who were the closest ones connected to the Chaos Force prior to Knuckles' transcendence, 10D. The Chaos Force itself is the highest of all planes of reality and dimensionally transcends all layers of time and space, it serves as the nexus that keeps everything within the cosmology bound, 11D. Side note, but there's also the Off-Panel parts of the comic that view the entire story of Archie Sonic as fiction, meaning they transcend it even further (lol), making it 12D, although no one besides Off-Panel Sonic (which is a different character apart from Archie Sonic), the writers and Deadline scale to this high. Overall, if we count Solaris as being transcendent to marginaryworld and the cosmic interstate. Then the cosmology would be 12D. If you don't, then it's 11D. This is without the image comics btw

@quigfan910 bro goku can be scaled to hyperversal to even outerversal via subspace scans and the afterlife litrally stated to have no concepts of space and time and transcending dimensionality and being non temporal having no dimensions existing in it and even withing the whole afterlife shit just being realitve to arale who in a panel looped her own manga page she was holding infinitly just by a gag and goku fought her and scales to her since beerus hakai was posing a threat to her so no sonic gets watched by goku

And bro goku can get to 12th dimensional via aralecincluding everything I mentioned without even the mentioning the panel of gag busted araled transcending her own manga page infinititly but we wont get into that won't we anyways soory sonic gets sheesh cababed by goku

Let's say at most with everything I said they scale to each other as both can reach 12th dimensional well guess what goku has way higher ap with his multipliers and transformations and good luck sonic getting a hit on goku using ultra instinct but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt for goku not using any hyperversal or outerversal claims which are in fact usable and have many claims and statements putting goku at such level watch official divine kazi drip sauce ssjryu1 for more information

@@JadoBouhzam oh god here we go again part 1 First and mainly, Kamoya’s statements are legit uncanon (as are all statements on twitter but these statements are just flat out wrong) Kamoya stated that his claims are unsupported and shouldn’t be used as Akira is the main director. He states that the claims are based on his personal opinion and not his view on the cosmology. Man even stated that he rarely interacts with Dragon Ball until all the way back in 2012. You may use the claim that Akira said his staff is more valuable than himself, but Komoya's claims are just ridiculously unsupported, uncanon, and irrelevant. Plus the dragon ball cosmology doesn’t even apply in that way. Kamoya even stated, and I quote from this himself, “"Dr. Toriyama has never agreed with my view. I was declined, so I just answered in my opinion." This was supported by, “You should ask the original author, Akira Toriyama, about all the settings of Dragon Ball, and it doesn't make sense to ask me as a scriptwriter.” It was again supported by “dbz’s cosmology is the realm of Professor's Toryimas’s view” Plus his claims are inconsistent. We know that the Afterlife transcends the Living World, but Kamoya said that the living world has an infinite hierarchy of dimensions and that the afterlife is only 5D. Plus Kamoya also has other statements such as, “I'm not the original author of Dragon Ball, so I don't have the authority or ability to answer questions about the settings of the original. Please forgive me.” This was said after a user questioned if the cosmology is based off our own. In the same thread he also said, “I'm not the original author of Dragon Ball, so I don't have toes he authority or ability to answer questions about the settings of the original. Please forgive me.” I could go on for hours debunking this but this should give the basis. Most people take that type 3 multiverse and infinite hierarchy of dimensions predicated on some verbalizations in the magma, but they are erroneous. This is not at all how Goku operates. Timelines in Dragonball, as far as we've visually perceived and substantiated in the Zamasu arc, include the entire cosmology and not individual macrocosms. When Goku threatens to ravage a macrocosm or all 12 macrocosms, he would ravage that one instance of the DB multiverse, not every instance across illimitable timelines (it would scale to 2-B multiversal at best if zeno were to eradicate).When Zamasu seeps into the past, he at best is infecting 2 timelines. Maybe not even Macrocosms. So no, Goku isn't hyper or whatever. If you take the Many Worlds Interpretation it additionally doesn’t qualify for a type 3 multiverse whatsoever because When a macrocosm is described as illimitable dimensional, a wave function or is predicated off of qualia space, them you can call it a type 3 multiverse, but until then, it's still just a type 2 at best.If you bring up a video scaling Goku without Kamoya statements, here’s a short debunk to it made by a biased youtuber named KassoFS. Debunk was from a goat named ndsvscpn “Your first scan does not prove that the DB Universe contains Infinite Dualities, it only speaks of the Light and Darkness that extends through Infinity, even that your scan can be unreliable because it is edited since the original does not look like that but Well. The Hyperspace thing, let's assume that it is correct based on the RPG Guide, that would make the Mortal Universe 4D. Then we have his Infinite TimeLines scan, what it says is that there are Infinite variables of possibilities, you can argue that there are Infinite probabilities but only one of those probabilities is chosen, although if this confuses you too much it just explains that that would not make it in DB there is an Infinite R > F Hierarchy (which is what it says at the end) nor Infinite Superior Dimensions. This is because literally what it shows doesn't scale to all of that, it basically took it out of its . The fact that there are Infinite TimeLines does not imply that they are Timelines that see the previous ones as fiction, the Time Lines would obviously be parallel and would be separated from each other without being transcendent among themselves and since they are not transcendent, each Line of Time Time would only be 4D forming an Infinite set of 4D structures. His next scan shows Gohan as a child doing what appears to be a Mathematical Factorization exercise (I think), but that doesn't automatically mean that the DB Universe contains Set Theory or Jung's Theory, that's another thing that's given to him. he took out of nowhere, his scan only proves that Mathematics exists in DB, but it does not prove that Mathematics is the same as ours and although it says there that it is similar, it also affirms that these 2 theories exist which do not have a support in Dragon Ball (Obviously not having support, much less the Cardinals would be applicable for DB). Finally something correct that he said is that Heaven transcends the Mortal Realm, which would make Heaven 5D by Mortal Realm Hyperspace based on its scale. And in the last scan of him he has another success and that is that the Other World would be 6D, being above Heaven, which is 5D. That is where his scale ends, so Goku, by affecting the Macro Cosmos (which is correct), Goku would only be 6D and would not be Beyond Tiering as he puts it there and he would not be Boundless, High Outer or any tier from Hyperversal to Outerversal. Being 6D would leave it at Low Complex Multiversal.” “He moved in a place with no concept of space nor time, as well as destroying that place, so that makes him outerversal :D” This has got to be one of the dumbest shit I’ve ever read from gokutards in my life. First of all, let's search up “outerversal” “Outerverse" is a term coined within this wiki to refer to any reality that transcends all concepts of dimensions. In-Depth Explanation For a more in-depth analysis, outerversal realities are those whose nature is conceptually different from time and space (of any size and complexity), that is, they are completely transcendental in relation to physics. They can be described as a meta-abstraction (formless, intangible reality), which makes them completely non-physical in relation to any higher dimensional reality. An outerverse can be the "background" for a dimensional reality of any size and complexity. An outerverse can also be in line with the concept of "Beyond Reality" in which its nature is not only different, but also conceptually superior to the concept of dimension as some formless, transcendental realm, that is, even an infinite-dimensional hyperverse would be nonexistent in comparison to them, regardless if the setting of a verse is infinite-dimensional or not. What this means is, if a setting is for example, 14-dimensional, but a world outside of it is described as being conceptually superior to all forms of space-time, the realm qualifies as an outerverse. Having no concept of time is not the same as being conceptually superior due to context. In fact, to truly qualify for this term, the definition or application of a given cosmological structure must be very specific. Being beyond infinite-dimensional structures is not enough to qualify as an outerverse. Furthermore an outerverse is typically inexplicable, with no current scientific theories explaining exactly what a beyond-dimensional structure is. These realities can also lack any form of binary concepts ( altogether, so any portrayal of an "outerverse" is strictly an artistic vision.” “Tier Low 1-A (Low Outerverse level): This is the initial tier for characters who functionally transcend the rest of the Tiering System, and stand outside of any extensions of infinite hierarchies and sizes, to varying degrees and magnitudes. In more straightforward terms, this category could be said to be occupied by characters whose size and/or level of power cannot be reached by merely stacking bigger infinities on top of each other.” Transcending all of space would be equivalent to surpassing a high 1B Structure, so they should be low Outerversal. •But Outerversal is stated as "normally being portrayed as entirely external abstractions that lie outside of the applications of spatiotemporal dimensionality as a constant defined by physics on any level, even compared to infinite or uncountably infinite dimensions, usually by perceiving them as akin to fiction or something similarly insignificant". •Which would mean, to surpass Time-Space to an infinite degree in terms of dimensionality. Since you're not Surpassing time and space, but only space, you are low outer. Basically in layman terms outerverse means existing outside Everything all realm beyond the concept of infinity aka the comic book and interacting with real world but in reality these are all just fictional characters who are just a figment of the imaginative constructive mind of a writer. But in comics only the creator of that respective verse or writer’s avatar or gag characters. Technically if we go by this nonsensical term outerversal or hyperversal then all these people fit the criteria. This should also debunk how the Afterlife transcends the concept of space and time being scaled to outer, but Part 2 helps define this mistralsalation more. “B-but Goku can transcend all of aleph-1 and aleph nu-” my guy let me just give you a quick brush up on cardinals

Sonic downplayer

Come back when goku can restore the concept of time and space

@spiderking952 come back when sonic Transcends the concept of time and space

@@hectorzuniga640 come back when goku fights a being apart of the concept of time

@spiderking952 come back when Sonic fights a being that can destroy the concept of time and space and Transcends those concepts and able to destroy the real world.