@Herbert Norkus: To be fair, when developed hardly anyone other than a few people had an idea of how a machine gun worked. Consider how many patents were filed by Maxim, his company, John Browning and others that actually saw the light of day, of all those the Madsen, was both innovative and in some ways practical. Whereas most other early designs didn't see further development other than some use of limited concepts, it seems that like the Maxim, the Madsen could work for a while with good quality black powder and Madsen's manufacturers never found the need to improve the design to more closely reflect the new smokeless powders.

Ian hoog is a total dilettante an idiot. He thinks he knows something about guns. Thats all.

@@waliza001 You clearly know nothing about Ian Hogg. Also Ian Hogg ‘is’ not anything. He has been dead for nearly twenty years, and was widely regarded as one of the world’s leading authorities on firearms, artillery, and fortifications.

@@waliza001 Oh wait. You were referring to ‘Ian Hoog.’ I have no idea who that guy is.

@@CaptainLumpyDog Dead? Thanks God.

Your second line... read the description.

@@neptune3569 I just read the first line of the description, but it's commom knowledge that Madsen Rifles and MGs operate on this action.

Madsen also invented the semi auto rifle.

Wait, did Madsen invent the semi-automatic rifle? I'd have thought they would've been around earlier. What is the model of rifle you're talking about?

You debate on that, the Madsen company produced two variaties of semi automatic rifles around the end of the 1800', the Madsen-Rasmussen 1888 and 1896 (the latter saw limited adoption by the Danish Royal Navy), both operating on the same system of the Madsen MG more or less, the 1888 just didn't have a magazine but had a flip up fixed stripper clip to hold ammo instead. Although around this time other designers came up with something, a Swedish designer by the name of Friberg designed a flapper locked rifle in the 1870' and then actually buit them in the 1880' (Don't have a date), as well as an italian designer, Amerigo Cei Rigotti designed his rifle in late 1880'-90'. It's a little hazy, but the first more or less practical semi auto rifle was the Rasmussen, while the first rifle to see mass adoption by a major military was the mexican Mondrágon 1908.

why they are using that old gun?

That's awesome

@@defenderofp.1179 You use what you can get, or what you have. Being that it is used unofficially means that the Police cannot aquire a more up to date automatic weapon, unlike the bad guys. There is an old saying, "You don't bring a knife to a gun fight". That is to say you bring a weapon at least equal to what you expect to encounter.

I don’t see why you would want to use this gun for anything other than leisure or collecting. There are not many Madsens out there, the gun is complicated, finding replacement parts is likely next to impossible, it is akward and it is about as heavy as many modern belt fed machine guns.

They use it because Brazil ordered a bunch of them in 7.62x51 back in the 50's and they still work just fine.

I mean, in some ways, yeah, but compared to a lot of other LMGs, that’s pretty damn simple. It’s basically a full auto Martini-Henry rifle, which is pretty stupidly awesome in and of itself.

Your profile is legendary

@@DuckiestBoat959 it is?

Why?

@@neptune3569 the mechanism is super cool

Yes, well mostly. I did not disassemble the trigger mechanism as the 1912 model I looked at has a different trigger mechanism from my drawings. I shall post a few photos on my vbbsmyt facebook page. Rob

The Madsen has an integrated barrel and breech block and the complete unit is swapped out and replaced with a new unit, in about the time shown in the animation.

@@vbbsmyts fast enough! Much better than some lmg designed years later. Thanks for your answer and cheers. Magnificent series of educational videos.

Daniel. The animation was built from drawings originating from the Hythe small arms establishment, and are from the early 1920's I believe. These drawings are clearly firing from open bolt. However.... the gun I examined was a model 1912 and used a different trigger arrangement, and fired from a closed bolt. Project Lightening also used this model. I have posted a picture of the 1912 trigger on my Facebook (vbbsmyt). This has caused endless confusion - drawings not matching the manual or real examples, so I have gone with the drawings. With the 1912 model, it is easy to see how single shot/semi automatic can be achieved, but I cannot for the life of me work out how semi automatic fire could be achieved from the Hythe drawings, so I have quietly ignored the issue. Rob

@@vbbsmyt I understand, thanks

@wood1155 he called you names! Can't have that!

Not much of a lever guy, but i definitely second the M1!

I know someone who has a Garand with the gas port plugged. He has a heavy straight pull until he unplugs it or gets a new barrel.

Daniel. There is a strong spring in the 'feeder' which tends to rotate it to the 'pushed-in' position. However, while the barrel assembly is recoiling, the fresh cartridge prevents the feeder from rotating inwards until the opening in the barrel extension is fully aligned with the cartridge 1:06. Then on the forward motion, the blue lug rides up on the ramp to turn the feeder outwards. Rob

@@vbbsmyt Ah, that seems obvious to me now. I saw the spring but I didn't think what it was for

The Russians bought more than a thousand of them for use by the cavalry. They were also the first ones to use any light machinegun in combat, deploying it in the Russo-Japanese war.

Firefly thanks for the info. Someone should really write a comprehensive book on the Madsen.

@@borkwoof696 Agreed, it's an incredibly important and historically significant firearm. Glad I could help.

No. Magazines were spring loaded. The firing rate of a gun with a gravity-fed magazine is limited by the time it takes for the next cartridge to fall into position, and this is determined by Gravity. Try to fire the gun too fast and it jams.

@@vbbsmyt Thanks for clearing up a misconception

Probably 1920 ish. Drawings (well sketches) were undated. I find it difficult to understand why springs were not used. At a firing rate of 450 rounds per minute (7-8 per second) gravity feed would not keep up. Even the hand driven machine guns, Gatling, Gardner, had difficulty feeding rounds under gravity at higher rates of fire (nowhere near the Madsen rate). Can you quote the reference springless magazines?

@@vbbsmyt He might be referring to the semi auto rifles that the lmg was based on.

vbbsmyt all I could find is just brief mentions that the Madsen was gravity fed. Interestingly, Small Arms Review said “its top magazine feed allowed gravity to enhance its entry into the mechanism...” indicating that it does have a spring like a BREN gun. Oddly still this video seems to be the only view of the magazine internals that I was able to find.

That makes sense - having the cartridges above the gun improves feed as the spring does not have to force heavy cartridges up against gravity as in the BAR. The manual for the 1912 model requires the loaded cartridges to be secured by the external spring, implying an internal spring that would force them out otherwise. I am happy that the spring style in the video is correct for the 1920 model but I did not examine the spring in 1912 magazine, but I have seen the folding spring design in the early Borchard automatic pistol (1893) designs so it is not unusual.

vbbsmyt doing some more digging, it appears that the Madsen had a magazine spring at least as far back as the 1904 model. However, there was a 1912 model that was a pure gravity fed (though the magazine does have a different shape) www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/manuals/Madsen%201904%201912%20comparison.pdf

Daniel. Good question. The pin is not spring loaded, see photos on Facebook. In operation, the barrel assembly will be moving too fast for gravity to deflect the bolt downwards, but that leaves the posibiity of it getting trapped when slooooly cocking the gun. Perhaps the gunners are instructed to operate the cocking leaver 'smartly'. Otherwise this must be one of the mysteries of why a Madsen works.

@@vbbsmyt I can't seem to find anyhting on facebook. Is it the profile that says Rob Brassington (vbbsmyt)? Maybe a link would help. Anyways, that's very surprising that they would allow a flaw like that. The shelf and spring loaded pin mechanism works just fine in other one way rotation mechanisms like zig zag revolvers

Yes that is me. I'm new to Facebook and not very good at it. Perhaps that why I have few friends....

@@vbbsmyt I can find the profile, but I can't find the pictures?

S*D it!. I cannot get my head around Facebook - try this dropbox link www.dropbox.com/sh/3ji3mefw95uj2vy/AAAL5BGyreauD_-_gbjIi5nQa?dl=0

Do they still use it?

@@user-rv6sh8ej4o more ir less , they use Just sometimes , but it's a só imprecisious gun só almost time it's Just in arsenal or with traficants , but one madsen os in police museum that it's the perfect place for a histórical gun like madsen.

www.forgottenweapons.com/belt-fed-madsen-tank-gun/

@@903strikerunit Wow, it already exists!

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bNmgaqR5ypzOoXk.html. Check out my vbbsmyt channen for other animations

that because it's the field strip, the gun is working on a long recoil action, and the bolt being a tipping bolt, the two are tied together by the barrel extension

@@quentintin1 thank you for the clear explanation

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No, Reptilicus (1961), brought me here.

The police in my state still uses these in 7.62×51 NATO