How Germania almost became a Roman Province even AFTER Teutoburg forest!

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@Maiorianus_Sebastian Жыл бұрын

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@commentfreely5443 Жыл бұрын

insidious ambush

@JTL1776 Жыл бұрын

Please do an alternate history on what if Magna Germania was formed.

@user-kf3dg3ud5m Жыл бұрын

It is well known that the Roman Empire won the honor of Germany, namely its southwestern territory. Even today, many of its inhabitants call themselves Germano-Romans!

@IorizMaximusCaesarAugustus Жыл бұрын

Yes, this was so true in terms of propaganda, i even have a textbook regarding this, that the United germans were able to defeat the more superior, better equip, well trained Romans. But in reality in an open plain where the opposing sides would met for battle, Arminius never won against Germanicus, even in the battle of idistavisuz, he's nearly being captured or killed if he doesn't fled immediately after his encounter with the roman legions.

@dingbum8618 Жыл бұрын

still the Germanics faced the Romans again shortly after Idistaviso, at the Angrivarian Wall inflicting heavy casualties. Im not saying the Germanics defeated the Romans in open battle but Roman losses seem to have been high, encouraging them to retreat behind the Rhine.

@smileyface3956 Жыл бұрын

At a second I got confused and I thought that I wrote this comment nice profile pic

@dusk6159 Жыл бұрын

The romans indeed always managed to handle the germanic tribes in the early empire times. Even managing to conquer, functionally get out from and manage Germania Magna as they deemed fit.

@augustuscaesar8287 Жыл бұрын

So 2 of you guys here are posers and are going to need to change your profile pictures immediately.

@smileyface3956 Жыл бұрын

@@augustuscaesar8287 well this could only end in one way in the third triumvirate or a civil war you decide

@atticusp6592 Жыл бұрын

If Germanicus didn't die he almost certainly would have done the Germanic conquest, keep in mind Tiberius was considering retiring 11 years into his reign until his son died, so you'd see a still comparatively young Germanicus take the throne, during a period of economic growth for the Empire as a consequence of Egyptian trade flourishing.

@TheRodco Жыл бұрын

Where can I find information on that Egyptian trade flourishing you mention? Thanks in advance!

@atticusp6592 Жыл бұрын

@@TheRodco kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eMdzlKmhptrRZGw.html I believe it is from this, although I wouldn't mind eventually investigating it further, however, I cannot exactly say it a great priority lmao

@TheRodco Жыл бұрын

@@atticusp6592 thanks a lot! It's a great video

@markmuller7962 Жыл бұрын

I can see Tiberius picturing in his mind Julius Caesar returning back to rome in triumph after conquering Gallia and being frightened of history possibly repeating itself

@OptimusMaximusNero Жыл бұрын

For those interested in the roman revolt in Germania against Tiberius, the 1968 six-episode mini-series "The Caesars" (which takes place from the last days of Augustus till the death of Caligula) depicts in great detail that event in its second episode, something "I, Claudius" didn't do despite being much longer

@michaeldunne338 Жыл бұрын

Nice recommendation. Checking it out now.

@aaronTGP_3756 Жыл бұрын

It also gives a more balanced view of Tiberius rather than what the biased view from Tacitus, or the fabricated myths from Suetonius.

@michaeldunne338 Жыл бұрын

@@aaronTGP_3756 Yes. Just got through the first two episodes. And to circle around back to this video segment, people forget that Tiberius had to deal with the Dalmatian/Illyricum revolt from AD 6 to 9; and then help clean up the mess with the Teutoburg Forest defeat, from AD 10 to 12 (which included Germanicus joining him for a couple of campaigns; and before all that he had campaigned in Germania in AD 4 & 5, including reaching the Elbe. And if taking into account the efforts of his brother Drusus beforehand, no surprise if he was tired of, or lost interest in further campaigns in that neck of the woods after AD 16.

@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 8 ай бұрын

There is also the KZfaq Channel: Invicta, who made a great work on the details on Germanicus ´s’ campaign in Germania

@michaelporzio7384 Жыл бұрын

The Arminius Statue (Hermanndenkmal in German) was built (1875) after the Franco Prussian War as a symbol of German military prowess and unity. It is the biggest monument in Germany. The statue has its sword pointed at France. There is also a "Hermann the German" statue in Minnesota USA! Hermann (he was never called that during his lifetime) became, and still is, a figure of legend for German as Prussia sought to unify all the German principalities into a nation. Always look forward to your posts, Sebastian Thanks!

@romaatwar Жыл бұрын

If I was a Roman Emperor at the time and ended up getting news that 3 of my Empire’s Legions had been completely wiped out due to a commander’s incompetence, I’d probably be extremely angry as well.

@DistantLights 10 ай бұрын

Imagine how different things would be if Germany became a province. A whole new theoretical Romance language could've been born

@stefang5639 10 ай бұрын

I wonder if something like that already started to establish itself in cologne and the roman areas of south west Germany. Maybe it just got lost over time.

@OptimusMaximusNero Жыл бұрын

Thusnelda according to Netflix's Barbarians: "I NEED NO MAN TO DEFEAT THE ENTIRE ROMAN EMPIRE" Thusnelda according to real events: "Glad Germanicus has spared my life and allowed me to come to Rome as a prisioner. Maybe he will even give me the roman citizenship!" 😊

@Thomas_Name Жыл бұрын

That's fiction producers for you. The idea of the alphamale norseman has been very popular again for a while. Unsurprisingly mainly among women and twenty-something macho boys😏

@christopherstein2024 Жыл бұрын

"Real events" aka romaboo just made it up. Tacitus writes that the captured germanic women didn't cry and were not submissive and that she shared the spirit of her husband.

@myrnaa1077 4 ай бұрын

@@Thomas_Name Rome smashed the nordicuccs of germania many times, i.e. Germanicus, Marcus Aurelius, Thrax, etc.. Many because they never cared to administrate the lands since its less efficient to keep an occupying force in those trash lands at the time. Tiny Nordicuccs were weak group of neolithic tribes (that ushered in the weak dark ages mind you), that took advantage OF THE FACT that Rome had immense internal strife, literally, SEVERAL CIVIL WARS (and thats only the beginning, i.e. plagues, drought, invasions from stronger ppl than germania, etc.).

@user-kf3dg3ud5m Жыл бұрын

It is well known that the Roman Empire won the honor of Germany, namely its southwestern territory. Even today, many of its inhabitants call themselves Germano-Romans!

@juanantoniodomenechrubio5780 Жыл бұрын

The Romans were able to conquer large parts of Germania. The reason they left was the poverty of the region. It took too much money to conquer new lands with so lite to plunder. in fact, there were no cities in Germania (except those built by the Romans).

@chrisparsons2791 Жыл бұрын

I love this channel ! These theories and the extensive research you've conducted, you put it all in an easily digestible bite for this hungry Roman History Enthusiast!😀

@JSCRocketScientist Жыл бұрын

This is one of the absolute BEST summaries of Roman history that I have heard. The aftermath of the Teutoberg Forest has been redefined for me. Thanks!!

@JSCRocketScientist Жыл бұрын

@bastiat I knew the history. He brought it alive by tying together aspects I hadn’t thought of as related.

@Aidan-sl6gd Жыл бұрын

A good episode. A thought though; the running battle of Teutoburg (which actually took place over four days) was most likely not against three entire legions, although in effect three legions were neutralised. It is likely that 3 cohorts were left at the legions' winter camps on the Rhine. A further three left at Alisio (We know a substantial Roman force from here made it back to Roman lines after the battle) and perhaps others along the Lippe valley. A further point which is often missed is that Varus was criticised by the sources ( eg Cassius Dio) for splitting his forces in a hostile country. As many as 10 cohorts could have been dispersed. Thus one can only speculate what size force actually entered the Teutoburg forest; it could have been as few as 10,000 in total and maybe as few as 8,500 legionaries, even assuming the cohorts were at full strength in the first place. The real point is that the despite all the cards stacked against the legions, they fought well.

@designsforutopia0.0 Жыл бұрын

Titeled 'What if Tiberius had it his way'. In an alternate timeline, where this video was narrated in a German variant of Latin.

@lacintag5482 Жыл бұрын

Another advantage of making Germania Magna a province is that it would actually make the Roman frontier shorter, thus necessitating less soldiers to defend it.

@zimriel Жыл бұрын

Shorter by distance but perhaps not by marching-time. Southern Germany then was forested and hilly.

@MarstheAvenger1 Жыл бұрын

In hindsight Tiberius' decision was correct in the short term; given time the Germanic tribes squabbled and warred with each other as Arminius did with Maroboduus. In the long term given the invasions of the late 2nd to 5th centuries it was incorrect. One wonders how different European and Mediterranean history might have turned out differently if: 1) Julius Caesar was not assassinated on the Ides of March and was left to campaign against Dacia, Parthia, Sarmatia and Germania. 2)Germanicus was allowed to conclude his campaign against Arminius, assuming Julius Caesar hadn't subdued Germania in his campaign. 3)Agricola was allowed to conclude his campaign in Caledonia, and invade Hibernia afterward. 4)Trajan had forged an alliance with the Kushan Empire and they had simultaneously attacked the Parthian Empire from west and east, dividing it between the two empires after Parthia's defeat. According to some sources this was in the works at one point as Trajan received congratulatory embassies from India after the defeat of Dacia.

@aaronTGP_3756 Жыл бұрын

4: Good luck conquering the Parthians. Unlike the Achaemenids, the Parthians simply retreated beyond the Zagros mountains, and refused to give Rome a pitched fight.

@MarstheAvenger1 Жыл бұрын

In a hypothetical two front war against the Roman and Kushan Empires it's doubtful the Parthians would have been able to hold out against both especially if they were engaged in one of their own civil wars.

@alessandrogini5283 Жыл бұрын

@@MarstheAvenger1 you could add if caracalla/Alexander severus lived longer

@zimriel Жыл бұрын

@@aaronTGP_3756 The Parthians were kind of pathetic by then; the Sasanians and Odaenathus' Arabs were about to eat their lunch.

@aaronTGP_3756 Жыл бұрын

@@zimriel Dishonorable but strategic.

@mattgraham9515 Жыл бұрын

I adore your videos. Thanks for putting them out there.

@michaeldunne338 Жыл бұрын

Interesting segment. Would be interesting to see a video on the other times the Romans had a chance to conquering or neutralizing much of Germania. Thinking of Marcus Aurelius looking to set up a province of Marcomannia in present day Bohemia, while the Romans still controlled the Agri Decumates, lands around the Black Forest, between the Rhine and Danube headwaters. Or of Maximinus Thrax attempting to go deep into Germania, and apparently securing victories in places like Harzhorn ( in present day Lower Saxony) around AD 335. If either emperor had succeeded, the Romans may have been able to neutralize, or more easily control much of what is Germany west of the Elbe, if not at least be placed in a good position for further conquests.

@dayros2023 Жыл бұрын

The problem was not defeating the germanic tribes, the Romans did that countless times. The problem was holding a very backward and densely forested territory that produced very little revenues. For the Romans it made sense to pacify the tribes, give some money to loyal local chieftains and go back behind the rhine.

@michaeldunne338 Жыл бұрын

@@dayros2023Holding onto gains, agree, the Romans had a hard time with that, both in the first century AD and later, say with the Agri Decumates, what is now current day Bohemia and Moravia, etc.. Otherwise, seems archeology is upending the characterization of land of wild forests with nothing. As Adrian Godsworthy noted, it appears that Germany was in part a land of farms too. Given that land and manpower were the bases for wealth in the Roman preindustrial society, wouldn't say very little was produced. The lands unconquered still offered horses, ambers, slaves, and soldiers. Otherwise, areas that didn't immediately offer economic benefits were conquered before, in the first century BC, like parts of the Alps, Pyrenees, Balkans, etc. that involved protracted fighting too.

@franz9573 Жыл бұрын

From a strategic point of view, the Rhine and Main were more defensible for the Romans. The Elbe as a border would not be worthwhile from an economic point of view. Moreover, the biggest threat to the Romans were not the Germanic tribes, but the Persians in the east. The Middle East was the richer province at that time and therefore the resources were used there. Furthermore, the decline from the 3rd century onwards was not due to the Germanic tribes, but to internal power struggles (civil wars), corruption, economic decline.) From the 4th century the Germanic tribes themselves were forced to move west and south because they were threatened from the east (Huns, colder weather, famine). The plague was also rampant in the Roman Empire.

@Krommer1000 Жыл бұрын

I like seeing some early Empire History as well. Good vid.

@darthwizzywizard Жыл бұрын

You’re conclusions are wrong just look a little east on your map. Lots of more powerful & even more hostile Germanic tribes were to the east of the immediate close proximity of those German tribes Rome was fighting.

@MaxSluiman Жыл бұрын

Beautyfully narrated! ❤

@OptimusMaximusNero Жыл бұрын

Showrunners of Netflix's Barbarians: "Look how our diverse, feminist and LGBT ancestors defeated the romans!" 😌 Historians: "Some austrian guy would absolutely love your propaganda, you know?"

@badgamemaster Жыл бұрын

And don't forget the show's time traveler.

@xxklesx1 Жыл бұрын

Its a TV show, like vikings. A historic correct show would have only a few thousands watchers. Nobody would produce for such a smal audience.

@jaif7327 Жыл бұрын

@@badgamemaster wait there’s a time traveller too?

@waltonsmith7210 Жыл бұрын

Those seem like exactly the kinds of things the Nazis would disapprove of.

@DaHogWeed Жыл бұрын

Compared to the Romans, the Germanic tribes were feminist. Although the Romans probably won in the LGBT area, if you know what I mean 😉

@OptimusMaximusNero Жыл бұрын

5:00 Even though the Ben-Hur parade scene is just amazing, I never liked how sympathetic Tiberius looks here, not to mention he was already in Capri at that time and his body was covered in scabs.

@John_Pace Жыл бұрын

Yes, I remember Peter O'Tool in Caligula.

@jimsy7al Жыл бұрын

Really great content here, that's why I subscribed previously!!!

@yunleung2631 Жыл бұрын

I, Claudius the TV show depicts a part of this drama brilliantly.

@robbabcock_ Жыл бұрын

Wonderful video! ⚔🔥💪

@AmericanShia786 Жыл бұрын

I liked the way you worked Emperor Tiberius' suspicions into the commercial for the website builder. 🙂 My family name comes from the town of Voerde, from the old German name for "ford". However, they actually migrated to the US from an area Northwest Munster, near the Dutch border. Voerde was a crossing point for Roman Legions, and for Charlemagne. By the way, my father's name was Herman. When I learned about Arminius in High School from my German teacher, my father also became very interested in Arminius. He was a European theatre World War II enthusiast despite serving in the Pacific. He hated Hitler, but he loved Arminius. My mother was Italian and her ancestors came from Benevento in Campania. Being a fan of history and a Science Fiction fan as well, it naturally follows that I would enjoy your channel. To bad I'm old and disabled, or I would give more.

@aka99 Жыл бұрын

excelennt video! will we also see how trier and cologne looked like in the 4th century? by the way, you forogt to mention Waldgirmes settlement! :) It is drawn in the maps in your videos. Waldgirmes is the only known roman civil town in germania magna.

@4sakenreaper42 Жыл бұрын

Great video

@zyan6686 Жыл бұрын

The point about Germania Magna being not worth of conquering was made up by Roman Historians in hindsight to justify the non-conquenst. During the 1st and 2nd century the Romans operated mines and quarríes across the Rhine and the Limes, so they knew there were ressources to extract here.

@alessandrogini5283 Жыл бұрын

Wich mines

@anthonyvera6424 Жыл бұрын

If Rome had continued to successfully integrate Germanic peoples, it is possible that the Roman Empire would have been able to maintain its power and influence for a longer period of time. This is because the Germanic peoples were often seen as a threat to Rome, and their integration could have helped to reduce the tensions and conflicts between the two groups. However, it is also possible that the integration of Germanic peoples could have led to the dilution of Roman culture and values. The Roman Empire was known for its strict social hierarchy and emphasis on law and order, whereas the Germanic peoples had a more decentralized and egalitarian society. The integration of these two groups could have led to a blending of cultures that may have weakened the Roman Empire's identity and ability to govern effectively. Another possibility is that the integration of Germanic peoples could have led to increased tensions and conflicts within the Roman Empire. The Germanic peoples had their own cultural traditions and values that may have clashed with those of the Roman Empire. Additionally, the integration of new groups into the Roman Empire could have led to competition for resources and power, potentially destabilizing the empire. In summary, if Rome had successfully integrated Germanic peoples into their society, it may have helped to reduce tensions and conflicts between the two groups and allowed the Roman Empire to maintain its power for a longer period of time. However, it is also possible that the integration could have led to the dilution of Roman culture, increased tensions and conflicts within the empire, and potential destabilization.

@youvebeengreeked Жыл бұрын

If Augustus's Germanic conquests were permanent, If his Nubian and Arab invasions were successful, If Agricola's Caledonian conquest were permanent, If Trajan's Dacian, Caucasian and Mesopotamian conquests were permanent, If Marcus Aurelius's Marcomanni conquests were permanent, If Septimius Severus's African conquests were permanent, If Aurelian's Eastern campaign happened... *... What a wonderful world...*

@palacehaunter5442 Жыл бұрын

Aurelian. Overrated

@georgiopasca2720 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful for rome, not for those who subdued

@TonyFontaine1988 Жыл бұрын

@@palacehaunter5442 no. You're in every comment section spamming that. Just stop

@ElizondoAbelardo Жыл бұрын

I'd like to see an alternate history video showing just that 👍

@palacehaunter5442 Жыл бұрын

@@TonyFontaine1988 Galienus not Aureilean stop lying for that usurper.

@bobbyshaftoe45 Жыл бұрын

There's your althistory story basis right there! The althist of a grateful Tiberious that approved the Fourth March for the Last Eagle.

@docbrosk Жыл бұрын

Good video, as usual. FYI I read Vidal's "Julian" in the mid-1960s when I was in the Marines, still have that (slightly battered!) original book. A minor question - what film are the opening battle scenes from? Seems well done.

@josephpercente8377 Жыл бұрын

Logistics were just to difficult. This is why northern Scotland was never conquered. Or Mesopotamia. Rome was a medditeranian centric empire and the farther you were from there the more difficult the supply.

@gregorydefeo7369 7 ай бұрын

Reminds me of "Custer's Last Stand" and the events which unfolded after Little Bighorn.

@stupidminotaur9735 Жыл бұрын

Amber/ember was worth its weight in gold. 8 wagons were worth 30,000 dorioes (gold coins)

@Not-Ap Жыл бұрын

Exactly controlling Germania trade routes alone would have brought a ton of additional revenue to the imperial treasurey. However doing so at cost of additional civil wars is not worth it long it term. I think had it's fill after conquering Britannia and dealing with all the civil conflicts/rebellions thar spawned from their. Was that worth controlling the tin mines in the long term? Not really and since Britannia was abandoned first as soon Roma proper was invaded that showed how much it was valued.

@saikrishnak8631 Жыл бұрын

if the limes were set up connecting elbe and danube river they might have...

@shorewall Жыл бұрын

Man, that idea really speaks to me.

@jpavlvs Жыл бұрын

The Varus disaster came on the heels of the great Illyrian revolt probably the worst revolt Rome ever faced. Losses during di bellum Batonianum were much worse because Rome was forced to conscript gladiators and slaves to replace their casualties.

@aaronTGP_3756 Жыл бұрын

Tiberius more likely abandoned controlling Germania because Augustus decided that the Rhine should be the northern frontier rather than the Elbe following the disaster.

@carlosfilho3402 Жыл бұрын

Thanks To This Vídeo.

@marshalllittleton8832 Жыл бұрын

It's an outright lie that Roman ambitious on Germania came to an end. And no Tiberius reign wasn't the last time it was considered!

@toledomarcos70 Жыл бұрын

The problem begins with Octavin if he had done a Diocletian and had just ruled for 20 years that might have given Tiberius the go-ahead to resign after a time and left Germanicus to succeed him.

@shorewall Жыл бұрын

Man, resigning while alive to allow your successor to have a clean transition of power is such a good idea. Our modern governments have done really well with that.

@jk65_jack32 Жыл бұрын

Did Tiberius Caesar have bipolar disorder? I have read Seutonius account of his life and even showed it to a student of psychiatry and he concurred that he was bipolar. Does anyone here have any comments about Tiberius' mental health?

@christopherstein2024 Жыл бұрын

Can't get more KZfaq than asking strangers about the mental health of a roman from 2000 years ago.

@MBP1918 Жыл бұрын

Nice

@OptimusMaximusNero Жыл бұрын

Germanicus: "I don't want to be Emperor, no matter if the entire Empire supports me. If the Divine Augustus wanted Tiberius to be his sucessor, so be it!" Tiberius: "Oh, how honorable. Didn't expected less of you, nephew...I will still buy that poison, anyway"

@shaneschambach932 7 ай бұрын

This is a great video Maioranus, but the attempted campaigns to conquer Germanía did not happen during the Later Roman Empire but actually at its beginning!

@scottfoster3548 Жыл бұрын

The Teutoburg event I think has entered the world psych certainly us Italians anyways contributing to the fears of dark forests. NONETHELESS what Germanicus did after and in particular the Battle of the Long Bridges I think is WAY greater and we never hear of these events AND a strong Roman Women saved the returning troops by arguing to keep the bridge up allowing the returning Romans home. Though ultimately as I go on with my lifelong Roman history adventure, I think we should have incorporated the Germans more. The Germans did not want to destroy us but get some of what we had with that effort we could all still be Romans. Ah the old days are gone for good.

@christopherstein2024 Жыл бұрын

Dark forests are more a concept of fiction unless relative shade is considered dark.

@rg-pq1kb Жыл бұрын

Note to self: don't piss off Germanicus

@maxwalker1159 Жыл бұрын

Cool

@John_Pace Жыл бұрын

Augustus on his death bed recommended NOT to extend the Roman borders. Teutoberg Forest disaster showed the limits of one man's rule. In 117, after mass revolts in Mesopotamia, the new Emperor Hadrian withdrew from it. But we will never know. However, IMHO Germania would have been a better and more easily maintained (and less rebellious) province than Britannia. Which was only conquered because Claudius wanted an easy triumph (he only stayed two weeks in "sunny" Britannia, even Caligula obeyed his Legions wishes and just picked up seashells as war trophies). The English Channel would (and 1940 still) a better barrier than the river Elbe for the Romans.

@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 8 ай бұрын

Fun fact, when Hitler was to receive Mussolini he ordered the removal of the statue of Arminius, as he was aware that his ally wanted to restore the Roman Empire

@ADINSANE 11 ай бұрын

hmmm very nice

@lerneanlion Жыл бұрын

While the forth campaign might be necessary, turning Germania into a Roman province is not necessary. Just hit those Germanic tribes hard enough to the point that they needed a lot of time to recover. And when they did recover, launch some raids into their lands until they accepted the proposal to become vassals of the Emperor in Rome. By doing so, the Roman Empire has integrated the Germanic tribes into the Empire's sphere of influence.

@russellnolan9212 Жыл бұрын

They were not interested in an eye for an eye, but rather 10. If more territory had been won, the Romanization would have had a larger, loyal force. Tiberius was selfish. They were not an even-handed lot.

@lordMartiya Жыл бұрын

The very fact there was a Germanicus soon after Teotoburg should be enough to know that Varus was avenged. Otherwise, how would he have recrived that Cognomen?

@dingbum8618 Жыл бұрын

actually he inherited it from his father (Nero Claudius Drusus) who enjoyed some success in germania.

@aaronTGP_3756 Жыл бұрын

When your father is given the epithet Germanicus, you're bound to take it as well.

@smokeyhoodoo Жыл бұрын

Through a lie

@silvershadchan4085 Жыл бұрын

@Maiorianus the English people wouldn’t have been born from the womb of Germania in the 5th century if it weren’t for Arminius back in 1st century defeating the Romans at the Battle of Teutoberg Forest in 9ce.

@mishkosimonovski23 Жыл бұрын

Maybe Tiberius knew that overextending, especially with a new forested, rebellious province was going to put a strain on the Empire.

@shorewall Жыл бұрын

Yeah, at the time, the Silk Road was the lifeblood of the known world. All the wealth and trade lay east. Although fighting men were found in Germania, much like the Balkans. Towards the end of the Roman Empire, Germanic Mercenaries and legit soldiers were the arm of the Empire. If Rome controlled that territory, maybe they have more.

@mishkosimonovski23 Жыл бұрын

@@shorewall It's easier to employ mercenaries, and to get cheep resources from Germania (timber, metals ect.) in exchange for crafted goods, then to control and integrate hostile nation who will become your responsibility and will raise rebellions. We could see the same approach in the 18th-19th centuries empires.

@shorewall Жыл бұрын

@@mishkosimonovski23 yeah for real. Best to have cordial relationships while letting them handle their own internal affairs. The idea of nations working together while retaining autonomy is a system that has been proven to work.

@mishkosimonovski23 Жыл бұрын

@@shorewall Yep, use them as a buffer against the eastern hordes.

@christianrobinson1761 9 ай бұрын

If a bullfrog had wings it wouldn’t bump its ass everytime it hopped

@lipsee100 Жыл бұрын

Perhaps if the Romans had taken Germany. They would not have crossed the sea and taken Britain..

@Fhjull33 7 ай бұрын

The conquest of Germany had to be stopped because military operations and holding the captured territories required too many resources. The end of the expansion of Rome under Augustus began with campaigns against the kingdom of Maroboduus which had to be stopped due to the severe Great Illyrian Uprising in the Balkans, which was suppressed for 4 years and which did not become the first Teutonburg Forest only due to the fact that Tiberius was a much better commander than Varus. Augustus and Tiberius stopped their conquests because Rome swallowed more than it could successfully integrate.

@Litany_of_Fury Жыл бұрын

Is Maiorianus an alternative spelling?

@aaronTGP_3756 Жыл бұрын

Based from Majorian's name in Latin: IVLIVS VALERIVS MAIORIANVS. Roman names for men almost always ended in -us (Marcus Antonius, Octavianus, Vespasianus, etc.). And the letter J didn't exist in Roman times.

@Litany_of_Fury Жыл бұрын

@@aaronTGP_3756 Ah, I see. An accurate spelling then, but probably not very good for the youtube algorithm.

@RandomLorence Жыл бұрын

FUN FACT: The Bructerii, Tubantes, Chatti, Angrivarii, Cheruscii and Cauchi Tribes would eventually unite after the Romans defeated them, and apparently this would originate the (Salian) Franks

@zimriel Жыл бұрын

Marcomani and Quadi, in between, I think.

@RandomLorence Жыл бұрын

@@zimriel I guess them aswell

@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 8 ай бұрын

Legend says that Emperor Tiberius got bribed by ancient germanic business tribesmen

@LuisAldamiz 11 ай бұрын

This is most interesting not just because of the myth dispelling because it illustrates when Rome ended being a reasonable Italian Empire and began being a wasteful silver-drain for Asia that could not end well in the long run. In hindisight Rome should definitely have conquered Germania, not just to the Elbe but all the way to the Vistula, that would have eradicated the Germanic peril (some peripheral groups would have remained in Scandinavia but nothing the other point of my proposed Roman strategy: a greater naval centrality in terms military, could not keep at bay). Still the Empire would need either to curtail the Asian silver drain or to begin exporting something that was not mere silver and gold, else the Third Century crisis would be unavoidable.

@hermanjeurissen6367 Жыл бұрын

Arminius/herman, my namesake

@HS-su3cf 4 ай бұрын

At Cannae the Romans lost over 8 legions, and didn't give up. This only shows how soft and decadent the Romans had become in the time of Augustus.

@saikrishnak8631 Жыл бұрын

8:55 isnt it pronounced idistaviso

@user-zk5mi4je1i 6 ай бұрын

0:00: 🏛 토이투르크 숲 전투는 로마의 게르마니아로의 확장의 종지부를 찍지 않았습니다. 3:36: 🏛 게르마니쿠스는 게르만족들에 대한 성공적인 정벌을 이끌어내며 인기와 승리를 얻었다. 6:48: 🏛 이 비디오는 로마 장군 게르마니쿠스의 게르만족에 대한 군사 캠페인을 논의합니다. 10:12: 🏛 타이베리우스의 게르마니쿠스 견제와, 게르마니아의 전략적 가치 부족으로 철수 결정 13:32: 🏛게르마니아가 로마화 되었다면, 이후 게르만족의 침공이 없어 긍정적이 될 수도, 브리튼에서처럼 반란주동자가 많아 부정적이 될 수도 있다.

@carlosfilho3402 Жыл бұрын

The Last Eagle Would Only Be Recovered By The Brother Of Germanicus,The Emperor Claudius.

@georgiopasca2720 Жыл бұрын

Why what happened to eagle

@davidlapointe4710 Жыл бұрын

Fun fact: according to Tacitus, the Will of Augustus explicitly warned his successor not to expand the Empire any further

@ldubt4494 Жыл бұрын

And yet they did it and it worked.

@mstash5 Жыл бұрын

Hail Arminius!

@benjaminsibille1827 Жыл бұрын

Hello Sebastian, we sent you by email an invitation on late Roman history academic conference that takes place in Lorraine, france, from 28th to 30th April. Would be a pleasure to host you. Best,

@y11971alex Жыл бұрын

I’ve always wondered on what grounds people write the name of Arminius as “Herman”. In the first place we have to doubt whether Roman hearing and Arminius himself was so poor at transcribing his own name if it had been “Herman” to start with. And secondly could “Arminius” not be a possible Proto-Germanic name? Romans were very sensitive to declensions in another language as different as Greek. If Πλάτων became “Plato” why should *Herman become “Arminius”?

@HS-su3cf 4 ай бұрын

Maybe his name was Armin?

@trimegaplays7748 Жыл бұрын

Rome

@alicelund147 Жыл бұрын

Tiberius made the right decision. The eternal wars in Germania was extremely costly for Rome. Germanicus could not get a final victory and not a permanent Roman presence in the interior of Germnia; he always went back to Gaul in the winter. "Maiorianus" contradict himself when he mention how big forces Germanicus had: They cost a lot! And remember the two large Roman navies that where lost in the Germanic wars. I recommend this video that is much more objective. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kN-qjJeS3q2cgmg.html

@smokeyhoodoo Жыл бұрын

Those were armies that were lost. It was a coverup

@wernerblaser5565 Жыл бұрын

Stimmt. Das angegebene Video ist sehr viel besser und ausführlicher. Hier bei Maiorianus fehlen einfach zu viele wichtige Informationen. Er füllt das leider mit Spekulation auf.

@solesurvivor7989 Жыл бұрын

If the historians came back for Barbarians Season 3 they would depict these nuances, laughable to think that would happen though.

@augustuscaesar8287 Жыл бұрын

*QUINTILLIUS VARUS LEGIONES REDDE*

@johnking6252 Жыл бұрын

My kingdom for a horse? IDK sounds Roman? 👍✌️

@SUDMONEYBAGS Жыл бұрын

Germanicus my beloved

@ostwestfalischehochmoorlei4705 Жыл бұрын

It should be consequently called battle of Kalkriese.... and it shouldnt be called battle, too. It was not a classical battle If you hear actually scientists at kalkriese museum.

@PalHBakka 2 ай бұрын

Late 19th Century Germany was no worse in hyping the martial prowess of its anscestors than any other late 19th Century European country. I'm afraid the author has fallen victim to the German exceptionalism thesis of Habermas.

@megaton6023 11 ай бұрын

I love how the conclusion of this video is “Germany was too worthless to conquer” 😂😂

@xk1390 Жыл бұрын

Germanicus had an overwhelming force. Would he have won battles otherwise?

@badgamemaster Жыл бұрын

Do anyone of Germany has a lot of iron mines since they are largest steel manufacturer of Europa? I am asking because I often hear people saying Germania don't have any resources the Roman Empire could have used... but I am pretty sure it could have uses that many iron mines... and since the Romans did wash away a mountain for gold I am sure they could have digging up the iron.

@michaellopresti6795 Жыл бұрын

most of the iron is in the rhineland which was part of the roman empire at the time

@sualtam9509 Жыл бұрын

@@michaellopresti6795 The Rhenish Slate Massif but that reaches far beyond the Rhine. During Roman times Plumbum Germanicum was said to be of high quality. Of course where's lead there is often silver. The silver mines of Central Germany was what made the HRE into a such a dominant force of the medieval period. Furthermore Germany has some of the larger loess soil basins in Western Europe.

@Aidan-sl6gd Жыл бұрын

Germany imports most of its iron ore, which is why they invaded Norway in WW2.

@robertsanders7060 Жыл бұрын

Downvoted for being infomercial for shady internet "service" To those supporting this channel: please donate your money to a proper information channel, not to informercial producers.

@prototropo Жыл бұрын

Very masterful and droll transition to the sponsor mention! However, I am baffled about the seeming tendency here to "ally" ourselves with the Romans against the peoples of Germania. Even if the story was corrupted by history to propagandize for or against any version of the truth, I feel no need to defend the Roman conquest of any tribe, whether Iberian, Germanian, Britannian, Dacian, Gallic, Nubean, Egyptian, Carthaginian or Judean. The Romans built, and left us, a tremendous legacy, one with which I identify and for which I am grateful. But they were also gratuitously power-hungry, cruel, arrogant, deceitful, hubristic and greedy. The Roman legacy is profound and sublime for many reasons, but it's trail of misery along the road to majesty is often appalling, barbaric, ignorant, repellant, inhuman, unforgivable and monumentally immoral. These things are not mere advantage of retrospect or the foolishness of historicism. Because Spartacus, Viriathus, Vercingetorix, Seneca, Cicero, Josephus, Tacitus, Archimedes, Hadrian, Pelagius, Boethius and even Gibbon would all, I believe, have some substantial grievance with Rome's "Arma virumque" method of winning a Pax Romanum.

@RPe-jk6dv Жыл бұрын

arminius haud dubie lliberator germaniae.

@TzarTzarevich777 Жыл бұрын

Tiberius was manipulated by his Mother Julia a wife of Augustus. She was the one who killed other successors of Augustus except for her sin Tiberius. And so she was the one time have her tyranny to kill any of her egoist politic

@Fhjull33 7 ай бұрын

I don't think Graves' novel or the TV series "I, Claudius" should be taken as historical sources.

@TzarTzarevich777 7 ай бұрын

@@Fhjull33 its not from these novels, it's from a Historical channel named: Dovahatty. In his Unbiased history of Rome.

@Fhjull33 7 ай бұрын

@@TzarTzarevich777 The tradition in popular culture of portraying Livia as an evil genius who killed all of Augustus's friends and heirs goes back to Graves (who relied on several unsubstantiated rumors that Tacitus and Dio told with little confidence).

@TzarTzarevich777 7 ай бұрын

@@Fhjull33 so you're trying to tell that it's not Livia's fault of killing her sons because she was mad about Tineriys NOT being a heir to the throne. Even tho who could be else except her?

@Fhjull33 7 ай бұрын

@@TzarTzarevich777 Nobody. All of Augustus' heirs died of natural causes except Gaius Caesar, who received a mortal wound in a military campaign in Armenia.

@daguroswaldson257 Жыл бұрын

The NSDAP depicted the Germanians as superior to the Italics? Goodness me! As a modern fascist, I acknowledge that the Germans and Italians are the same white race! Armenius beat the Romans via intillect, not strength! Though in a certain kind of way, it did end with Teutoburg forrest as Emperor Tiberius then saw that to occupy Germany would be too costly and even Tacitus himself praised Arminius as a liberator of Germany. I usually root for the Germanic tribes which is ironic because in the book I wrote, the main protagonist is a Franco-Roman who wants to defend the empire but also considers the Emperor Valentinian and the wealthy Roman elites to be his enemies. I wouldn't have discovered such information for my book if it wasn't for you. Gratias Maiorianus!

@lymeregis4354 Жыл бұрын

There is but one human race. Homo sapiens. The others have died out.

@andreamarino6010 Жыл бұрын

The famous white race which no one knows in which shade of brown it ends

@Busson09 Жыл бұрын

How to find a German?Just let him say Teutoburg.He would say Toitoburg expect Teutoburg.

@DISTurbedwaffle918 Жыл бұрын

Germanics are neat. They represent both the greatest existential threat to Rome while also providing some of the greatest myths and legends surrounding antiquity. The relationship between these cultures is almost as good of a rivalry as the one between Rome and Iran.

@johndevries7397 Жыл бұрын

Oh how I wish...

@MrTryAnotherOne Жыл бұрын

Just ... "almost"

@Creepster329 Жыл бұрын

It's fascinanting how Roman Empire always had so much opportunities and they always failed to do something good.

@aaronTGP_3756 Жыл бұрын

And the many opportunities to collapse, yet they lived to fight another day. Cimbrian War, Second Punic War, the Crisis of the Third Century, etc. It's a miracle they lasted so long.

@swissmilitischristilxxii3691 Жыл бұрын

Ahaha, maybe you should stop using latin alphabet, arabic is more apropriate for you.

@naturefarms6834 11 ай бұрын

The Roman’s were far superior to the Germanic tribes. Herman the German killed 20k Roman’s because of an ambush, the Roman’s on the other hand killed well into the 100k+ going straight at them. No question only reason Rome didn’t annex that region is because it was worthless land filled with mud hutters and not worth the gold and men to annex. According to available sources and information.

@myrnaa1077 4 ай бұрын

True, the Roma war machine is INVICTA in Germania

@mkooij Жыл бұрын

I thought all of this was common knowledge lol Good video. However around 10 minutes you state: where the Germanic tribes WOULD be subjugated. It would be more correct to say: would most likely have been subjugated

@smokeyhoodoo Жыл бұрын

Its common misinformation