Rubber or Poly, let me know what bushes you run. Very keen to hear people's experience with both.

From hardcore off-road to overland ,I tried almost every brand, in the end stick with oem bushing are the best.

Polyurethane squeaks, and creeks. The rubber breaks down quicker when exposed to grease, oil, and fuel. I use the polly where chemical exposure is likely, and rubber where it is not.

The original factory rubber bushes were still in the upper arms. Says it all really. Poly bushes work well in a car (if you don't mind the harshness), but just can't handle the flex in a 4wd.

I used to build off-road vehicles going all the way back to the Baja day's of Dick Cepek, Mickey Thompson and Phil Ruesche. You are better off with OEM Rubber Bushings as they are more forgiving and allow for more flex when and where you need it. Poly bushings were created for Racing Cars running on pavement but the industry saw an opportunity to sell more if they could convince the 4x4 market. Go OEM and replace them as needed!

Factory bushings are vulcanised in one piece, poly bushings are a 3 piece affair. This means they need lubrication, AKA maintenance, and a few grease fittings added to the assembly would make them last significantly longer.

I wrap the crush tube with plumbers teflon tape as it helps stop the squeaking when the grease drys out.

Well done Patrick - glad it had such a positive effect on both you and the 80. Excellent mod for an older vehicle for sure. Cheers mate.

Rubber bushes with a steel outer case and bonded crush tube are a better design for a couple of reasons. One is the fact they require no lubrication. Poly bushes introduce a friction point and another moving part to wear out and keep greased. Not ideal in wet or dusty environments. Secondly is the design of the bush is different to the manufacturers design considerations in that the poly bush requires a different design to hold the component centred in the bracket by way of a shoulder (as in the control arms in this video). The vehicle manufacturer doesn’t account for this in its design and may not build enough surface area into the bracket to fully support the bushes shoulder. You also have another introduced friction point needing lubrication with the shoulder and bracket. Also, the shoulder removes a gap that would allow a suspension component to flex the way it should, potentially cracking the mount if the manufacturer builds a closer than ideal clearance for a poly bush, especially when a longer travel suspension is added. It’s just a bad idea in some applications and should be thought about before switching. Poly bushings do have their place where oem rubber bushes have a known high failure rate if the original design isn’t changed.

love your videos mate

Good video. For wheelin I take my front swaybar out to get more flex then back in for touring.

Great vid Nearly at 100k subs boys keep it going strong

Nice work Patrick. I've never even thought of that in my ute. Definitely needs a look. Cheers mate. Have a great week everyone 😀

Polly can crack the diff housing, seen it in a mates 80, he went back to genuine rubber no more problems.

Used both and they have their place. The ones that you installed were purposed to their application which I think is the goal. Great vid.

WhiteLine 30mm HD rear sway bar with extended sway bar links……really nice.

it won't feel any more floaty in the back as yr using the same swaybar . extension are that; extensions. now you'll get 2" more droop each side but handling the same as before ( minus the whoaful old bushes) and I'm a full Factory rubber bushes man.

Poly bushes are cheaper and easier to fit and good if you have an old clunker with lots of oil leaks otherwise rubber is way superior.

Good stuff guys, Glad to see you back!

I’ve used urethane bushes on cars suspension for years but anytime I’ve used them in 4wd’s they tend to fall apart just like the ones in your 80. I’ll only ever use rubber bushes (preferably genuine) in 4wds now. And yes it makes a massive difference having good spending and bushings. Cheers Pat

yeah I'm pretty sure I use super pro castor correction bushes in my Patrol. they have lasted 5years !

Nolathane recommends you don't grease the outside of the bushes where the eye is, only the center where the bolt is and the faces on the sides where the flanges go, I would guess Supapro might be the same.

your videos are super cool dude, really nice to see someone doing something the same way any of us other simpletons would

Brilliant work. 👏👍 I know popping out and sliding in bushings is a difficult job, but you guys made it looked so easy and straight-forward. You gotta love having the correct tools, combined with experience and know-how. After seeing this, I too might now replace some of the bushings on my LC80. But last time I checked the original Toyota rubber bushings were still in good condition, and I don't have any jolting, vibration or unusual noises coming from my suspension. Maybe "when it ain't broke"...? 🤔 Now the next improvement that would be good to see you do is how to improve the 80's OEM handbrake. 😁

I just put Urethane bushes on everything. Works great for me. I used the same ones you did but I drive an old Jeep. Oh, and your press is awesomely, I’m gonna build one!

What a brilliant way to start the morning, Aussie Arvos video while eating brekky at camp in the dunes behind beachport

I am planning to upgrade them also on my Amarok, what kind of grease is best? Silicon grease? I guess lithium is aggressive?

I did similar maintenance on my GQ recently and it made an ENORMOUS difference. New panhard rod bushes front and rear, new extended sway bar links and bushes (for a 50mm lift), new castor correction bushes, new radius arm bushes (chassis end), new lower trailing arm bushes, a new tie rod end, and a new steering damper. It feels like a new car now. It cost me a touch over $2000 to have all that work done, but it’s been well worth it.

Great...you did the control arms first? Is that right? What comes next in order of importance?

Standard Toyota rubber bushings are the best replacement imo

I have replaced all the factory rubber bushings superpro and noloathane poly where applicable. Only place was upper control arms on my IFS, PITA to change and they seemed fine. definitely changed handling for the better. Did make the cab a bit louder as the noise could resonate through. A little tip: I used plumbers teflon tape on all my crush tubes to mitigate any 'squeeks' and haven't had any yet...Not sure how reliable the 'lifetime warranty' is but haven't had an issue in 3 years and and if they do become an issue they should be covered.

I use super pro bushes and have had them in for close to 8 years and they still look new no cracks at all and iv done 200,thousand kms since then

I can't emphasise just how refreshing it or to see a build with a 2 inch lift and 33s in a world of 4 inch and 37s Good video mate, that car will still take you around the country and back no dramas

When I replaced my 80 series' suspension to the Fulcrum early last year (2022), I also wanted to replaced all the suspension (OEM) rubber bushings at the same time. But the suspension specialist guys told me that the genuine Toyota bushings on my 80 where still in very good nick and didn't recommend replacing them (my 1996 80 Series had only travelled a genuine 122k kms on the clock then). Obviously the bushings on the radius arms had to be replaced with bushings that came with the suspension kit due to the 2" lift. But the rest, were left as it (Toyota OEM). It goes to show how Toyota genuine products are of very good quality, as the genuine Toyota rubber bushings on your 80's upper trailing arms it seems were still in good condition. Great work Pat. 👌👍

How are the new bushings holding up so far I'm just about to do mine

Hi guys, just watching this again as I got my extended links for my 80 and SuperPro Sway bars for front and rear which will improve stability on road, these are massive, heavy duty, will flex better with the extended links, I already had upgraded chassis square off set bracket, I got great flex out of my setup even with a 2.5" lift, so be interested if I se any extra improvement, I also have Sup Upper Control arms and Lowers (adj) on both and Panhards all from Superior. But I have been going over your link assembly, I could be wrong but it seems you got your top bush orientated backwards, my instructions and diagram show the nipples of the bush are supposed to slot into/through the chassis bracket? Did you change this or is it still like that for some reason? Anyways, lot of negative comments about poly bushes, but for this application, I'm all in, for chassis mounts and Lower Control Arms and Uppers and my Panhards I have gone with new OEMs, just because they have lasted 30years and still not flogged, but were cracked slightly as you'd expect for 30 yo rubber! If I haven't got my Hyperflex arms by the time Radius bushes are needed to be replaced, I'll go Superpro bushes there, just because imo a std OEM bush wasn't designed to handle and offset to correct the lift I have, plus its short term, but would still be a good test to see how they go, you have given yours 2 years no probs, so its not an issue for me. the big thing is use it where it makes sense imo.

I doubt you'll have problems with the SuperPro bushes. I've been runnign them for years without issue. The only time I've had issues with poly bushes are two-piece poly bushes. They're crap.

nice vid but when are you going to paint it with raptor coating

good work, looks tighter now

Did you extend the frame to axle brake line?

Be very interested in you review of these in about a year or 2.

We just got our 85 Ford out of storage after 6years. The rear trailing arms have poly bushes in them and when we moved the car out, there was red rubber goo on the floor. Turns out that the bushes had totally degraded and will need replacement. I'm going back to rubber bushes this time!

Thanks for the content!

Got the bushes for the sway bar links the other day to do soon while others are on way.. can get the sway bar link extended brackets to.

Did you buy offset bushes?

Great video Guys. Awesome for a DIY at home repair. I run the same suspension on my 80. Might have to go over mine now haha. ps what's the rear bar your running cheers.

Great Video. At the end of the day it’s your car and you do whatever you want. The reason I like this channel is because I know you will let your viewers know if they are good or not! Also what happened to your Raspberry Pi setup for transferring footage to HDs? I always thought that was a great idea, maybe not a fast enough transfer speed? Last Pi I bought was a Pi 2.

Good timing for this video. Im looking to do some bushes or all of if I can afford it in the next month or 2. Makes me wonder how much nicer the Paj will feel once I do them.

I rate the super pro bushes. I did every bush in a 40 year old Gemini at the same time lowered it by 1.5" front and 2" rear. Its pretty light so I really expected extra harshness on the road compared to rubber, but no, it just felt tighter and pin point accurate. Aussie made too, so bonus. I wonder now how they'd go in my 2" lifted Hilux daily.... Hmmm...

Thanks dude

On ya mate!

So you saw the original factory bushes and they were fine, the poly bushes were destroyed. Yet you still decided to replace everything with poly???

😅 it's amazing how new bushes can make a vehicle... in my GU with new bushes the difference was night and day

We had the same issue with those bushings, but we made them on a lathe, out of an old forklift tire. A bit stiff but the never breaks. especially when you do a lot of towing off-road.

Damn you Pat! Now I'm going to have to do my bushes too!

Swap you my 90 series LOL. Another great vid keep it rolling boys ,cheers

where did you get the kit from mate

Good video. Poly bushes in the front. Rubber in the rear. Sway bar links or brackets should have been extended when you did the lift. You should do the front also. Sway bar ends should sit fairly level, not at an angle. Not sure about the 80, but if you don't put sway bar brackets on my 105, the front driveshaft may hit the sway bar on full droop 👍

The castor correction bushes in the front are a reasonable Band-Aid , however the BlackHawk caster correction radius arms give way more clearance and flex and the bushes have a lifetime warranty 😊

Great series of updates mate, mine have been done, but all OEM 🤔. Question have you plated your steering box chassis rail and mount area yet, if not inspect and do it anyways if all good. I'm interested to know how your SP bushing work out, my only negative to them which is not proven ime, is most of the chatter is about the bushes causing structural cracking and I'm not just talking 80s, I have heard this in the car world as well, but am not convinced, by the chatter. But also I am reluctant to test the theories, for me when in doubt I stick with OEM, but I have gone Tough Dog and Superior and Dobinsons and many other brands so am not adverse to AFM at all, my cars too also have many mods, so by the time my 80 needs some new bushings I'll be interested to see how the SuperPro have held up on yours and also what effects if any it's had on the mighty 80 1HD-T. cheers guys keep rocking, one of my most enjoyable channels to follow, keep[it real, in the garage and on the BT & DT cheers 🤘

Love this video, and absolutely love the new phonk songs playing, in this vid gives the video such a fresh vibe. Do you mind me asking where you find your copyright free Phonk music

Just out of curiosity did you replace the bushings on the sway bars too? If not why not?

Rubber only!

Never go poly. Even the new ones are shit.

The original rubber bushes lasted to 150k. Never made any strange noises. The new " life time" poly bushes, when subjected to some four wheeling are looking stressed and chewed up after 1000k. Also make horrible squelchy noises. Not completely buggered yet, but they clearly don't compare to the longevity of quality rubber bushes.

Nathan at Tread Works supplied me with the same polyurethane superpro bushes and I haven't installed them yet because I didn't know if I would be better of getting rubber ones instead Thanks.

Be very interesting to see how long they last. What longevity are you hoping for Patrick?

The extended sway bar links should NOT negatively effect your onroad performance. The additional flex was only because the swaybar wasnt centered after the lift was installed and was reaching its full extention. Now youve put the extended links in, it should be centered. It will still be just as effective at stopping roll as it was from factory.

Highly recommend the extended sway bar links also great if your lifting your vehicle 3" or higher

Bad choice for an 80 series imo. I've seen these exact bushes in and 80 series ovalize around the pin (and the pin get eaten away) which just ends up causing play - they were ~6months old. The car was used for touring and the lubricant quickly dissapears with water crossings/dust etc. Just too many moving sections that a genuine rubber bush doesn't have - its literally just the rubber flexing, nothing rotates and theres nowhere for debris to get stuck/create wear. I particularly dislike them in the radius arms due to being stiffer, reduce flex and put more stress on the mounts when flexing, which can (I've seen it twice now) break the mounts off the housing. My own car has these bushes in it from a previous owner and they all have play in them too. They just seem to wear out around the pin. This is where bonded rubber to a centre sleeve is far superior imo - the rubber literally has to break off to create play, but the bush is typically very old by the time that happens, or the rubber fails first. The genuine rubber just work. Last ages, flex well, comfortable (not as stiff) and less noise/vibration. Don't fix what aint broke imo. but regardless, I'll be interested to see your update in the future and see your findings with them.

Might pay to mention that no swaybar means no valid insurance as it would be deemed unroadworthy!😘

Have you adjusted the proportioning valve bracket for the rear brakes ?

If your looking for flex off-road you can disconnect one sway bar link and it’ll be sweet

Did Liam rebuild engine before turbo, I got a na td42 with half million kms and was looking into turbo Aussie Arvos

Have you got extended brake lines?

Best 4WD Ever Built!

extended sway bar links won't change the handling of the car at all. all you're doing is compensating for the lift so the swaybar is level again and isn't binding at full droop which could cause a failure. the swaybar is a spring that only works when the car tilts side to side on it's suspension when one side pushes down the other side is pulled down the swaybar twists in the middle to still allow axle articulation.

I thought on the polyurethane bushes you had to use the old rubber housing?

I have 4wd Mitsubishi triton 2014 , do you reckon it has pushings

have you replaced the rear axle in the 80 series to correct the tracking issues all land cruisers have in the rear end because they more narrow than the front!!!

With the poly bushes you don't need to drop the car to ride height as the tube is free to spin inside the bush unlike molded rubber bushes👍👍

I have a 60 series that can have a mind of its own, 2" lift and 33s. Steering dead center, it can just wander around, or tramline at low speed and Toyota's power steering is so over assisted so you get very little steering feel. Hence, I'm not brave enough to take it on a long 80-100km/h trip yet. I'm on a mission to replace majority of the suspension components, badly needs new body mounts as well. I wouldn't have a clue what a well sorted 60 is like to drive but it can't be half as bad, if there's any other 60 owners here I'd love any feedback on what they've done.

Where abouts did you order everything from? My 80’s about due for new bushes i think ahah

how much did all the bushes cost?

You can likely feel more differance with new body mounts also

Put an auto gearbox in

There's quite a lot of hate towards anything that isn't rubber for bushings and I think a lot of that hate comes off how poly bushings used to be. I replaced some components on my AU with Superpro a couple years ago now and wish I did the change earlier. Barely affected NVH in my case. Granted I wouldn't use nolathane for anything, but superpro seem to produce some quality products and great replacement options. It's also true what they say regarding each component is designed with different mixtures, they all feel different in the hand depending on their desired purpose. A swaybar bushing feels different to a control arm bush and so on.

Riddle me this. The old poly ones were flogged out, and the original rubber ones were good. Yet you went poly. The new poly ones do not have a new recipe. It's been the same for decades. It's all a sales pitch for dummies.

Completely irrelevant to the vid, but how have you found the OCAM awning? I'm looking at getting one for my N80 hilux

I tell myself the same every time I get in my old lancer. I prefer the money in the bank.

Did u look at sway bar disconnects?

not replacing those parts passes the stress to other parts of the car that are good therefore creating additional wear

Great video buddy 👍🏿 Refreshing to something other than bullshit $$$$ builds, not everyone has $$$

Should of went rubber more movement in rubber poly has not much movement and they crumble and squash the answer is there in the uppers 30 years 🤔 and still working 👌

You don't really need weight on the vehicle to tension the suspension with poly bushes. The pins pivit inside the bush unlike rubber where they are bonded.

I’f you haven’t already run a front and rear adjustable pan hard rod on your diffs. You’ll find when you lifted the car it would have pulled your doffs off centre

Poly bushes are no good, I had a set of terrain tamers which I believe are made by super pro, had the lifetime warranty and everything. 4 years on they’re all cracked in half. Every single of of them. They are not fit for purpose and I don’t believe they should be an approved aftermarket part

rooted is a technical term yeh ?

I fitted superpro polyurethane bushes to my old GQ wagon (needed all new bushes for a roadworthy, as the 27 year old factory rubber ones borderline wouldn't pass). I drove the car around for two years, mostly highway driving, some local dirt roads and maybe one day of four wheel driving every two months. The superpro bushes were practically falling out of the car after two years. Knocks and bonks as you turned corners or went over speed bumps, the car would buck from the rear end if you planted your foot as the slop in the bushes took up. Just absolute junk. The worst part is, what I paid for those bushes at Bursons wasn't that much cheaper than genuine Nissan ones from Patrolapart.

Poly bushes are absolute rubbish. Rough and send vibrations through the car. Rubber all the way