Make better coffee with Decent's new and improved group head parts

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Decent Espresso

Decent Espresso

Күн бұрын

No matter which DE1 you own, you can replace the old parts in your machine's group head with our new and improved set of parts. They're easily screwed into the underside of the group head, and they control how water comes onto the coffee puck. Order here: decentespresso.com/accessories
The benefits of using our new part set:
- Improved water distribution: They're redesigned to distribute water where it's needed most, which increases the overall extraction and improves the coffee taste.
- More-accurate puck temperature measuring: This allows the brew to get up to temperature sooner in the shot, and avoids overheating the puck.
- Oil resistant: The new materials resist coffee oils - so no stale coffee flavors like you get from metal parts that collect old coffee oils.
- Reduced channeling: Less headspace above the coffee puck reduces channeling and increases mouthfeel and shot consistency.
- Temperature accuracy: Faster and more accurate temperature profiling.
- Less cleaning: the parts are oil resistant, so you rarely need to remove and clean them.
- No more stripped screw heads: If you do need to remove the parts, we switched to Torx screws to reduce stripping.
- No metal interactions between brass and stainless steel.
These parts are available to all DE1 owners - all the way back to DE1 v1.0, and it's a simple self-install. You can order them here decentespresso.com/accessories or if you have a goodie pack to redeem: decentespresso.com/goodiepack
Also see this video to replace the parts on your DE1: • How to upgrade the gro...
0:00 Intro
0:05 What materials are the new parts made of?
0:22 Reasons for moving from brass to PPS
0:48 Disadvantages of brass
1:11 Of stainless steel screws and brass parts
1:54 Changing global standards make brass parts expensive
2:35 Current brass is expensive to CNC
3:17 Coffee oils tend to stick to brass
3:29 When did we start developing the new parts?
3:37 Materials tested and what were the pros and cons?
4:35 Water flow over the traditional group head parts
5:38 Objective: make a part that evenly distributes water
5:58 The Radial Extraction Test
6:52 How the core group worked on improving the parts
7:22 The key reason why they settled on the new design
7:44 By how much does the new design improve EY?
8:22 How our machine measures temperature differently
8:48 How the Decent controls water temperature
10:00 Why brass causes latency in temperature measurements
11:02 Moving to plastic (PPS) to resolve the heat sink issue
11:15 What the testers have said
11:22 How PPS makes temperature measurements faster
13:22 Reducing head space to the E61 machine standard
14:32 Outro

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@MarkPermann
@MarkPermann Жыл бұрын
Specificity builds credibility. John, the detail with which you talk about everything that went into this change demonstrates how committed Decent is to excellence. Bravo.
@timonsku
@timonsku 25 күн бұрын
Appreciate the indepth reasoning for the design change!
@hosegooseman5
@hosegooseman5 Жыл бұрын
This video is exactly why I chose a Decent machine. People obsessed with improving at any level, any part, something that just works consistently great. Outstanding work and yes I already upgraded the group head with these parts. Very easy and no need to flip the machine at all. Saludos !!! 😎☕️
@yumyumhungry
@yumyumhungry 10 ай бұрын
It's funny to see John's focus mirroring my own espresso journey where I was messing around with light-roast single origin new wave coffee for awhile and now I'm just chasing the perfect classic italian style espresso.
@mikegiron3071
@mikegiron3071 Жыл бұрын
Amazing! This is innovative and progressive. Can't wait until it's available
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
It's available today decentespresso.com/accessories
@mikegiron3071
@mikegiron3071 Жыл бұрын
@@decentespresso Got it a few minutes after it became available :)
@StephenProsserHCC
@StephenProsserHCC Жыл бұрын
Very happy to have this level of detail. Also loving the video production quality
@jamieekinney
@jamieekinney Жыл бұрын
Great explanation! Thank you for creating this video.
@TheBrokenEclipse
@TheBrokenEclipse Жыл бұрын
Amazing work!
@FFB0118
@FFB0118 Жыл бұрын
The Greatest Upgrade kit EVER
@AM2PMReviews
@AM2PMReviews Жыл бұрын
Just installed my new group head parts! I can’t wait to test it more. Today it seemed to have a tiny bit better balance and maybe after looking at my rusty looking brass it will keep way cleaner so maybe that is a cleaner cup with less old oil since I only back flush like every three weeks. The puck is still a little soupy but no big deal.
@ddoleiden
@ddoleiden 11 ай бұрын
Hi John, thanks for mentioning the relationship between body and headspace. Can you comment more specifically on the improvement in body the new configuration provides for classic-style shots? Specifically, I’m curious how body from the DE1XL would compare to that from a Linea Mini for medium or medium-dark roasts ground with conical burrs and extracted with a flat 9-bar profile. Thanks for your time. -Dan
@hardzone123
@hardzone123 5 ай бұрын
with this group head no extraction without channeling! with the previous group head I hadn't such problem.
@ELuciferC
@ELuciferC Жыл бұрын
Love it! Do I spy a Decent Scale in use behind you ;)
@jclokwork
@jclokwork 11 ай бұрын
Is PPS at any time capable of leaching antimony or BPA? or any other known chemicals known to possibly harm humans? I ask due to the amount of heat this part will be exposed to along with the fact that what passes by/through this part will be consumed.
@sethreed1501
@sethreed1501 Жыл бұрын
Very cool. Are these fitted as standard now? Just ordered a machine today, and would be curious to know if this will be installed. Great work as usual!
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
You will still have brass internals on your new DE1. We plan to have these released soon and they are backwards compatible, so no FOMO! 🙌🙌
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
If your machine hasn't shipped yet, the new parts are available as a CUSTOMIZATION for +$100, and we'll do it for you. But... I see your machine HAS shipped, so it has the brass parts inside. You can get the parts from us at $100 and install them yourself. decentespresso.com/accessories
@MonkeyBlueAss
@MonkeyBlueAss 10 ай бұрын
Make all stainless and throw the plastic
@robertusga
@robertusga 4 ай бұрын
Will this get us to exactly being able to match lever style espresso?
@firmbutton6485
@firmbutton6485 4 ай бұрын
Are all new machines fitted with these new parts?
@ciara747
@ciara747 4 ай бұрын
I've been having channelling issues with my gaggia machine where the extraction is too fast and the puck is dry on the bottom. I think a dispersion screen might help. Please invent one to fit my gaggia machine!
@AnskarKong
@AnskarKong 4 ай бұрын
is that means the existing pour-over basket will not work for this new parts anymore ?
@kenflip
@kenflip Жыл бұрын
Does the "Group head v2 upgrade kit for DE1 v1.1-v1.44" part include both this and the lower headspace? Or should I wait for an upgraded kit? Many thanks and awesome continuous innovation! ❤
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
This will lower the headspace but you will also have to be mindful of the gasket you are using and or the basket and dose, which also affect the headspace.
@kenflip
@kenflip Жыл бұрын
@@decentespresso thank you. I ordered and received the parts and the installation was a breeze thanks to the video!
@PleasantDoorknob
@PleasantDoorknob 4 ай бұрын
Are these changes incorporated into the v1.45 that’s currently on sale?
@carsandcoffee8685
@carsandcoffee8685 8 ай бұрын
Can this fit a LMLM
@alexanderpoppy
@alexanderpoppy Жыл бұрын
Are there any non-torx screws left on the DE machines?
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
A few inside, holding the PCB shielding panels, for instance. But not many!
@hosegooseman5
@hosegooseman5 Жыл бұрын
Besides obviously removing the tanks, anything else needed with the machine or just flip upside down after removing those?
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
We also recommend using a towel so the top of the DE1 is protected too while on the table surface.
@ModeX9
@ModeX9 Жыл бұрын
Will the decent eventually be free of brass or use eco brass instead?
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
As mentioned in the video we are looking to reduce this material moving forward for more advantages materials.
@tristanmccoppin5761
@tristanmccoppin5761 11 ай бұрын
John, I would love to know your personal opinion on whether a puck screen interferes with this sensitive process, thank you so much
@tristanmccoppin5761
@tristanmccoppin5761 11 ай бұрын
*whether or not
@decentespresso
@decentespresso 10 ай бұрын
It'll obscure temperature readings, yes, but will give you a drier puck. Let the taste be your guide.
@tristanmccoppin5761
@tristanmccoppin5761 10 ай бұрын
@@decentespresso amazing thank you.
@CafecitoToday
@CafecitoToday Жыл бұрын
If I recall correctly, v1.44 already had a change to decrease headspace. Does this make 1.44 machines lower than E61 spec?
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
You may have confused this info with the new PPS parts that have just been released. Installing these parts will match the headspace in a E61 grouphead.
@deTouni
@deTouni Жыл бұрын
hi john, will this new design also work with IMS SI200 shower screens? And did you drop the 100$ goody in your 2-year warrenty option?
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
Yes, we continue to use the IMS SI200 screens. Yes, the $100 goodie pack was an introductory promotion for the extended warranty, and the offer ended about 2 weeks ago.
@deTouni
@deTouni Жыл бұрын
@@decentespresso this is a pity, I did not purchase the warranty yet because of this option. The DE1 comes with a CI200 not SI200. Please do not confuse.
@8percentAndroid
@8percentAndroid Жыл бұрын
great stuff, will this new part come on the new machines (ie v1.44)? thanks
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
The new part is available as a customization on v1.44 machines for +$100.
@qxamqxam
@qxamqxam Жыл бұрын
@@decentespresso If the v2 group kit is ordered along with a new machine will this upgrade be done before shipping?
@CaptLatte
@CaptLatte Жыл бұрын
Can any of these parts be used on a non-Decent machine, such as a Breville?
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately not I'm afraid.
@antoniokotlar
@antoniokotlar Жыл бұрын
Does the PPS have any Nylon reinforcement or is it Natural PPS? Where can one find the E61 headspace Spec?
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
Hey, these are pure PPS material, which is the same material as baby bottles the most tested plastic in the world!
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
We measured E61 shower screens, to find the size.
@Doubie.
@Doubie. 10 ай бұрын
@decentespresso Honestly I’d rather see you make them out of copper or ceramics composites make it either highly sensitive to heat or resistant to heat over time I see the water slowly eroding those parts into the cup and I’d rather not drink plastic but that’s just me I don’t care if some bureaucrats say is safe Also the sticking of the oils is from the copper in the brass it’s one of the reasons copper is used in alcohol distillation it’s reactions to oils for example a still that’s made anything but cognac can’t make cognac because the copper has been contaminated with oils other than what would be found in cognac and would not created a suitable cognac flavor profile The change in flavor could be the heat or it could be the oils not reacting with the copper in the brass acting like a catalyst this is important in distillation to remove sulfur compounds but it might be harming the depth of flavor in this process
@amourb7133
@amourb7133 Жыл бұрын
Is this fits the breville dual boiler bes920?
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
Apologise, this part is only compatible with the DE1 series.
@karimsurferics
@karimsurferics Жыл бұрын
Where can I order these?
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
When they are released you can purchase from our website. decentespresso.com/
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
decentespresso.com/accessories
@EdmundYan
@EdmundYan Жыл бұрын
To compensate for the brass heatsink effects, can't existing brass-users to change their algorithm to have +3-4 degree pre-infusion temps? Or another question, if you switch to the new plastic group head and your same recipe "instantly tastes better", it means the original recipe wasn't good enough and should have used a higher water temp.
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
It's more complicated than that. The brass contributes latency, which causes many effects. The video explains more.
@Max-ss2gy
@Max-ss2gy Жыл бұрын
110€ lol
@huachangxu7655
@huachangxu7655 Жыл бұрын
Any plans to make these in stainless steel?
@decentespressoailliobullet5748
@decentespressoailliobullet5748 Жыл бұрын
dude, watch the video
@huachangxu7655
@huachangxu7655 Жыл бұрын
​@@decentespressoailliobullet5748 dude I did, twice. There's no mention of a stainless steel option. Timestamp?
@decentespressoailliobullet5748
@decentespressoailliobullet5748 Жыл бұрын
@@huachangxu7655 he says that the MAIN POINT of using plastic and not ANY metal is due to the temperature lag caused by the metal acting as a heat sink. The move to plastic is largely to get much faster and more accurate response to the actual temp in the group head. So any metal, brass, aluminium or stainless steel would have the same negative impact.
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
@@decentespressoailliobullet5748 Exactly so. Stainless for these parts would be even worse than brass.
@windwalker6680
@windwalker6680 Жыл бұрын
Will the new group head reduce the soupy muddy coffee sludge and dry pucks?
@Mitch9378
@Mitch9378 Жыл бұрын
He implies that right near the end around 14 minutes in . They are reducing the space between the shower head and the puck which should result in drier cleaner pucks.
@muggepuut
@muggepuut Жыл бұрын
yeah it's mentioned in the description of the video: Reduced channeling: Less headspace above the coffee puck reduces channeling and increases mouthfeel and shot consistency. Also says it at the end of the video. Same as E61 machine.
@AM2PMReviews
@AM2PMReviews Жыл бұрын
It seems to help a little after one shot today. Nothing like a dry puck.I will do a video on it. I think since it doesn’t have a traditional three way solenoid, it doesn’t do a large suction that a 9 bar machine would so after a shot turn on and suck the water away so maybe that’s why it’s not as dry.
@nemanjastanimirov2684
@nemanjastanimirov2684 Жыл бұрын
Fda aproved tefal as well, and how many people had died since.
@kenflip
@kenflip Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the public notice, you can still use the old part...
@decentespressoailliobullet5748
@decentespressoailliobullet5748 Жыл бұрын
and therefore?
@decentespresso
@decentespresso Жыл бұрын
and yes, we'll continue to stock the brass parts, for people who don't like the idea of any plastic in the water path, even one so well tested, used by so many espresso parts companies, and used to make baby bottles. You're welcome to use brass, if that's your preference.
@AM2PMReviews
@AM2PMReviews Жыл бұрын
My brass parts were starting to very slightly erode a little with some surface rust and I wonder if they have a tiny bit of lead. I guess this is probably just as safe or safer and way less cleaning is needed.
@scottintexas
@scottintexas Жыл бұрын
Machine has been great so far, but the customer service has become suspect. Decent made an offer to customers, then without proper announcement withdrew it before this promised new grouphead became available. Terrible decision.
@kungfookielbasa
@kungfookielbasa Жыл бұрын
🙄
@firmbutton6485
@firmbutton6485 4 ай бұрын
Decent is the Tesla of espresso machines. I am about to jump from à Londinium L1 because it’s simply a one trick pony that is not consistent.
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