Maker's Marks on Medieval Swords, and Why We Don't Use One.

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Arms & Armor Inc.

Arms & Armor Inc.

2 ай бұрын

Today we have a special edition of Whiskey and Weapons for you all, and it revolves around a question we frequently get, "Why don't you guys at Arms and Armor have a maker's mark on your products?". In exploring this topic we delve into history, from the relative lack of such marks in the medieval period right up to an incident in the mid-1990's when our old mark bit the dust. Grab a beverage and join us for a really interesting discussion with Craig Johnson and Dr. Nathan Clough of Arms and Armor Inc., makers of fine historical weapons since 1982.
We take a look at three medieval swords from The Oakeshott Institute collection, drink a glass of whiskey, and have some awesome discussion.
As always, our swords are entirely made by us at our shop in Minneapolis, MN out of 6150 carbon steel, hardened and tempered to 50-52 Rockwell. Our swords and other weapons are made to look, feel, and function just like the historical originals on which they are based.
Click here to learn more about The Oakeshott Institute: oakeshott.org
And here to see all of our highly accurate historical weapons: www.arms-n-armor.com
Nathan Clough, Ph.D. is Vice President of Arms and Armor and a member of the governing board of The Oakeshott Institute. He is a historical martial artist and a former university professor of cultural geography. He has given presentations on historical arms at events including Longpoint and Combatcon, and presented scholarly papers at, among others, The International Congress on Medieval Studies.
Craig Johnson is the Production Manager of Arms and Armor and Secretary of The Oakeshott Institute. He has taught and published on the history of arms, armor and western martial arts for over 30 years. He has lectured at several schools and Universities, WMAW, HEMAC, 4W, and ICMS at Kalamazoo. His experiences include iron smelting, jousting, theatrical combat instruction and choreography, historical research, European martial arts and crafting weapons and armor since 1985

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@WhatIfBrigade
@WhatIfBrigade 2 ай бұрын
There are marks on the stones in the Mont Saint Michel, possibly later in history, but interestingly the explanation was so they could pay the workers. And they are a number or a letter, not a symbol. So very likely locals in the time period knew who made them, but a visiting noble would have no idea.
@richstone2627
@richstone2627 2 ай бұрын
Crazy, I was sippin' Maker's Mark when I logged into youtube and see this video. Good stuff. Thank you
@armsarmorinc.4153
@armsarmorinc.4153 2 ай бұрын
Very cool!
@PoorMansHEMA
@PoorMansHEMA 2 ай бұрын
Bring it back! I always thought they looked neat.
@Eulemunin
@Eulemunin 2 ай бұрын
Yay, Fascinating understanding of the mindset and trying to replicate it.
@FreeFencerPhil
@FreeFencerPhil 2 ай бұрын
Great talk guys I learned something new today
@robertsmith4681
@robertsmith4681 2 ай бұрын
I do wonder how many of those marks are associated with the maker vs something that would be akin to marks still in use today as military acceptance/proof marks that shows an item to be within specificaitons. For example I have seen things like bayonets from ww1 that had specific marks to indicate they were bend tested and whatnot.
@armsarmorinc.4153
@armsarmorinc.4153 2 ай бұрын
for sure there were lots of maker's marks, but mostly after the medieval period.
@BlazingSteel
@BlazingSteel 2 ай бұрын
Ah, good tie in with the whisky being Maker's Mark!
@armsarmorinc.4153
@armsarmorinc.4153 2 ай бұрын
We try. :-)
@seneca4625
@seneca4625 2 ай бұрын
Fascinating stuff. I have a question about those pommels on the two oldest swords. The first one looked especially "globular" and very irregular, as if the edges had worn or melted away. Is that due to the age and wear over time, or was that the way it was made and looked like when new? Pommels of every modern reproduction from every maker are so "perfect" today, even with oblong-shaped pommels, that when I look at antiques I wonder about the obvious major "imperfections" and if they were made that way or if they became that way over the centuries of being exposed to the elements. The cross guards look very symmetrical and well preserved, so I'm thinking those pommels were made that way.
@armsarmorinc.4153
@armsarmorinc.4153 2 ай бұрын
Yes, in most cases they are made that way. It would have been a pommel or hilt maker banging them out on a forge and then passing on to a grinder or furbisher to finish. They may have been made as a set or it equally could have been someone contracted to make X amount of wheel pommels.
@boucherwag_7771
@boucherwag_7771 2 ай бұрын
Where is a good place/book to start learning about Medieval Dutch arms and armor? I am stumped
@jarodmasci3445
@jarodmasci3445 2 ай бұрын
People thought a stamp at the ricasso would weaken the sword?? What the heck.....
@WhatIfBrigade
@WhatIfBrigade 2 ай бұрын
For a movie prop would it be hard to add a mark to an already completed sword?
@armsarmorinc.4153
@armsarmorinc.4153 2 ай бұрын
It would be hard to stamp it if it's a hardened modern sword. You could acid etch a Mark in which would be very easy.
@jarodmasci3445
@jarodmasci3445 2 ай бұрын
So multiple makers could write "ULFBERT"? Really? Never would have thought that!
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 2 ай бұрын
Honestly I don't care one way or the other if a sword has a maker's mark. They can be cool especially on custom or higher end swords as "bling" but they don't do a thing for function & barely matter in aesthetics.
@Han-rw9ev
@Han-rw9ev 2 ай бұрын
I'm not a fan of maker's marks. I find they tend to detract from the aesthetics of the sword (basically someone makes a piece of art. And then they stamp it. That can ruin it for me). I wouldn't be averse to a maker's mark being in a more hidden part of the sword, though, such as the tang. (that could be useful for future historians). Probably what I hate more than maker's marks are stuff like serial numbers (especially in modern replicas), company logos and 'Made in, etc' inscriptions.
@oubliette862
@oubliette862 2 ай бұрын
I don't like the makers mark stamped on the blade, that's pretentious. It should be on the tang. I think epoxied handles are are corner cutting. A good blade should be made to come apart.
@sinisterswordsman25
@sinisterswordsman25 Ай бұрын
Apparently in the medieval period blacksmiths were actually sort of looked down on. The prevalence of Christianity is the reason, something about blacksmiths being descendants of Kane and therefore impure, dirty, sinners. You probably wouldn't want the name of the blacksmith on your sword, especially if you were a noble of some sort. I think they kinda thought of blacksmiths as a best not to think about it kinda thing, they probably didn't want a reminder stamped into the blade. It would be like...not a great comparison but if instead of just saying made in China something said "made in China, possibly in a sweatshop." You would be like "gross..." right? So yeah it would probably have been an unpleasant reminder of where it came from.(unpleasant to a medieval person.) Almost makes me think that so many blades were stamped with crosses to "purify" them.(maybe lol)
@Jim58223
@Jim58223 2 ай бұрын
Never been a fan of makers marks because most of the smiths don't align it or it just looks very crude compared to the rest of the sword. Not to mention the symbols most sword makers use seem like it was designed by a middle schooler. I prefer a clean blade or the Japanese way of signing a blade.
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