Making and Tasting the COLDEST Substance Known

Making and Tasting the COLDEST Substance Known - Icilin

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4 ай бұрын

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In this video I am making one of the coldest/iciest/mintiest substances known, Icilin. It is a super-agonist of the TRMP8 ion-channel which is a receptor on our mucous membranes that gives us the cold feeling from temperature and food such as mint. The compound is not found in nature and is fully synthetic, there are no other known natural compounds that induce a colder feeling. Supposedly the compound WS-12 should feel colder but is less potent, which I will make later to compare.
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@mytoasterwentflying 4 ай бұрын

tasting your own chemicals just like the good ol days

@y33t23 4 ай бұрын

Always remember the quote: "If it don't contain nitrogen, I'm snaccin"

@sathis5073 4 ай бұрын

After 9/11

@charlesnathansmith 4 ай бұрын

He casually mentions that the researchers did too. It's hard to resist with something like that

@multiarray2320 4 ай бұрын

@@y33t23 uranium: am i a joke to you?

@y33t23 4 ай бұрын

@@multiarray2320 the context there was organic molecules, I can very well live without heavy metal poisoning

@EddieTheH 4 ай бұрын

Pretty chill molecule.

@jakelancaster5889 4 ай бұрын

Oh how does it feel to be the funniest person on earth

@14-3-3 4 ай бұрын

pretty cool too

@kylesmithisawesome 4 ай бұрын

Man, thats just cold@jakelancaster5889

@Tathanic 4 ай бұрын

Mix it with Capsaicin, Bromelain & Malic acid and apply to tongue.

@user255 4 ай бұрын

Why malic acid? Anyway sound kinda irritating!

@Ibaraki_DX 4 ай бұрын

Are you trying to make the tongue implode, open a portal, or what

@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 4 ай бұрын

@@user255it’s what candy companies use to make stuff sour

@antares8826 4 ай бұрын

Instant death

@user255 4 ай бұрын

@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 They use many other organic acids as well. I thought you have something more specific in mind.

@helldad4689 4 ай бұрын

OUR BOY BEAT THE LIT YIELD % EVERYONE!!! CLEANEST CHEMIST ON KZfaq #1!!!!!

@drsolo7 4 ай бұрын

Lmao

@phobos1963 4 ай бұрын

I mean if you get everything from Sigma obviously you’re gonna get a purer synthesis

@aeriumsoft 3 ай бұрын

you mean ligma baldrich

@Jokke13th 4 ай бұрын

You have the coolest taste for chemistry subjects for these videos. I enjoy your work. Keep it up!

@youraveragerobloxkid 4 ай бұрын

Hehe cool

@TPK_MAKG 4 ай бұрын

Hehe taste

@Dank_Lulu 4 ай бұрын

Can't wait to try this on my mucous membranes!

@MadScientist267 4 ай бұрын

All of it

@mlgsamantha5863 3 ай бұрын

chilly foreskin

@rjnash2610 3 ай бұрын

I'd rub it on my D before a good F.

@enz8191 4 ай бұрын

11:40 I like the fact that you use gloves to handle the product, but at the same time you spread it on your skin 🤣

@claysweetser4106 4 ай бұрын

I wonder if the high cost of certain chemicals (like Icilin) is due to lack of economy of scale. That is, you're essentially paying some other chemist to make your specific order just for you, rather than paying some amount from a much larger batch (possibly made by the same chemist).

@Chemiolis 4 ай бұрын

Very likely. There is not really a market for it so vendors can also get away with charging ridiculous prices.

@adrianpip2000 4 ай бұрын

To some degree, yes. But also, it's a useless chemical to a chemist, who could easily make it themselves anyway. So the only ones who would be interested in the molecule are molecular biologists, and those people generally don't need more than a few mg to do an experiment, so suppliers are more than happy to charge the same price for 10 mg that one would for 10 g if they were selling to a chemist.

@claysweetser4106 4 ай бұрын

@@adrianpip2000 I suppose, given its properties and uses, one might also be paying for USP-quality chemicals as well (as opposed to non-USP-quality ones, which I assume are cheaper to make).

@vooooooooooooo 4 ай бұрын

Your explanations of chemical transformations sound like some strategy war game steps.

@benmcreynolds8581 3 ай бұрын

Random but I really hope someday a talented chemist will be able to discover a pain killer that DOESN'T cause negative physical reactions once someone stops using it. If someone can discover that it could genuinely change the world and improve so many peoples lifes. People that have never experienced physical withdrawals don't fully understand. Someone can fully be mentally ready but no matter what you do, physical withdrawals are completely unavoidable and it makes you feel like an utter failure and our society has a very misunderstood negative perspective on physical withdrawals and physical dependency. I truly believe if some scientist could discover something that doesn't cause physical dependency but helps with pain relief, then I really think it could positively impact the world.

@fburton8 4 ай бұрын

I'm surprised you experienced such a mild taste from the DMSO. I got a tiny drop of it (lab grade) on my skin and a minute later there was a disgusting onion/garlic taste in my mouth. I also visited a veterinary barn where one of the equine patients with septicemia/toxic shock had been given 20cc IV DMSO and the whole place stank to high heaven for the rest of the day.

@Chemiolis 4 ай бұрын

DMSO itself shouldn't have much of a direct taste when pure, it just contains sulfide impurities that make it taste a bit like dirty vegetables. I didn't have an aftereffect of garlic taste, I think that could be genetic

@fburton8 4 ай бұрын

@@Chemiolis This was DMSO from Sigma-Aldrich which they claim is ≥99.9%. Yeah, it could be genetic as you say. I remember someone telling me that sensitivity to HCN is genetic. I can always tell immediately if someone in the lab has been using it, even when they can't smell it themselves. Mind you, the smell receptors also quickly desensitize to (or are killed off by?!) cyanide.

@Head_Stander 4 ай бұрын

we should do a genetic test based only on the compounds you can smell and taste, then we could elect the genetically-best chemist in the world xD

@Kenionatus 4 ай бұрын

Apparently "Part of the DMSO is transformed to the volatile metabolite dimethyl sulfide, which gives a characteristic garlic- or oyster-like smell when excreted through the lungs", according to Adverse reactions of dimethyl sulfoxide in humans: a systematic review (10.12688/f1000research.16642.2).

@fburton8 4 ай бұрын

@@Kenionatus Interesting, thanks!

@anotherone4669 4 ай бұрын

I was eyeballing this chemical for a while now, cool to see a video about it

@oubliette862 4 ай бұрын

I've got an exercise in awful for you to try. Isolate whatever is in a green persimmon, the small variety, that instantly dries the mouth and even the teeth, and taste that. I've never experienced something else that could make my teeth dry.

@b3dubbs72 4 ай бұрын

Probably immature tannins

@KyleJones734 4 ай бұрын

First time I tried a persimmon I thought I was having an allergic reaction from how bitter it was and how it made my mouth dry. I only found out after googling that the it was because I ate a unripe one. I still haven't tried to eat a ripe one out of fear of getting that bitter taste again.

@jimmy_flaps 4 ай бұрын

Khat (Catha edulis) does this too.

@eliasdraper1143 3 ай бұрын

@@KyleJones734 Persimmons are bitter to you guys? I’ve always found them super sweet

@KyleJones734 3 ай бұрын

@@eliasdraper1143 if they are not ripe, they are super bitter

@Thaumius 4 ай бұрын

0:50 example of Sigma Aldritch being Ligma-Baldritch

@margodphd 4 ай бұрын

Sigma-Eldritch, of ELDRITCH HORROR PRICES 😂

@gafrers 4 ай бұрын

Fantastic. Always enjoyable and well explained

@bugabateinc971 Ай бұрын

You are the best practical organic chemist on you tube. I need about 2 or 3 lifespans to get really good at chemistry.

@trapicecreamy6871 4 ай бұрын

Man I really love this Kind of videos

@MrAngenos 4 ай бұрын

Nice concise video, thanks!

@geordifrere 4 ай бұрын

Very cool heterocyclic chemistry! More of that please! For the dihydropyrimidinone reaction, maybe you could have avoided the initial precipitation and vigorous HOCN gas evolution (apparently poisonous) by adding KOCN into the AcOH solution of your starting material which would allow for a controlled formation of HOCN. Then add HCl to drive the elimination of water. But again, love the target molecules you're making. Keep it up!

@Chemiolis 4 ай бұрын

The initial precipitation was not part of the plan! I would have just added it in portions into stirring liquid, but no. Either way it was fine, this reaction is very fast.

@bubblitzbubba3501 4 ай бұрын

You make awesome videos!!! ❄❄

@0pvo0 4 ай бұрын

Surely ill buy chemicals from a stranger online to taste! ;) Your tasting is well documented, great stuff

@Zaekk 4 ай бұрын

Ive always wanted to try icilin

@laslaw9887 Ай бұрын

Oh, finally i got it... I ll open it, taste and measure nmr tomorrow

@Grak70 4 ай бұрын

That stock footage of the lab guys is hilarious

@kitkakitteh 4 ай бұрын

Erythritol is similar, I think. That slight “coolness” is gives to chocolate makes me think it activates the same receptors.

@girafferadiation 4 ай бұрын

damn i didn't know u were chill like that 😳🥶

@AnarchoAmericium 4 ай бұрын

i'm surprised this isn't used more, given how easy and cheap it is to make

@prdprdprdprdprdel 4 ай бұрын

I kinda want to try using it in cooking.. Putting a tiny bit into some refreshing fruit deserts during the summer sounds banger...

@notsmoothie 3 ай бұрын

Seems like it would be difficult to dissolve in stuff 🤔

@user-cd7mq5lp3q 21 сағат бұрын

@@notsmoothie It should dissolve in something with fats in it. Idk, like ice cream that makes your mouth cold for an hour after you ate it or something...

@jaimeortega4940 4 ай бұрын

Good job and interesting molecule!

@jamesmnguyen 4 ай бұрын

It's 6am, I should be sleeping.

@user255 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, that happens.

@thomasrussell4674 4 ай бұрын

Please synthesise conolidine! No lab will make it, it's too complicated they say. It's not illegal, it's a calcium channel modulator and ack3 blocker, it's a fascinating molecule. Con-ol-idine. It comes from Tabernaemontana Divaricata plants. There is a published write up for its synthesis. It uses unusual metal salts in the synthesis.

@rehanmohammad5841 4 ай бұрын

Best vid ever

@williambarnes5023 3 ай бұрын

Sounds like a good ingredient to use in my limonada.

@stevengill1736 4 ай бұрын

Good old DMSO - always enjoyed how quickly the taste of oysters appears when it touches skin. Usually advised to use 85% aqueous since it's hard on your skin if it's pure....(some people use it as a topical analgesic, but the readily available MSM (methylsulfonylmethane) apparently does the same thing....did you know that MSM was briefly a controlled substance in California?

@mgritsch 4 ай бұрын

How is „potent“ vs „strong“ defined? How can something be stronger but less potent?

@mduckernz 4 ай бұрын

This is the difference between receptor affinity vs efficacy - think of affinity as how well a key fits in a lock, and efficacy as how far the lock turns

@gigogrozni 4 ай бұрын

It's interesting that making double bond at @10:00 does not go towards the creation of the long conjugated system of double bonds.

@BoyKhongklai 4 ай бұрын

I'm glad I found this channel because nilered was getting boring with barely any uploads except shorts. Bye nilered, hello Chemiolis 😊

@andersjjensen 4 ай бұрын

Don't forget Extractions&Ire.... if you don't mind chaos energy.

@b3dubbs72 4 ай бұрын

Nile blue too

@theginganinjaofficial 4 ай бұрын

@@andersjjensengarage chemistry will always have a special place in my heart

@BoyKhongklai 2 ай бұрын

@@b3dubbs72 Everything Nile, I'm done with. Nowadays he's living off old vids I guess. As soon as he moved out of his parents garage, he went south.

@b3dubbs72 2 ай бұрын

@@BoyKhongklai his vids take a long time to produce because is projects have grown in scope. He’s put some banger long format vids in the past few months.

@muffinconsumer4431 4 ай бұрын

Screw spice tolerance, don’t talk to me until you got your cold tolerance up

@IsaacMyers1 4 ай бұрын

I would be very interested in the development of a “cold sauce”, or the opposite of a hot sauce. I’m thinking that would be a perfect application of icilin because it doesn’t have to taste like mint.

@JamesHoss-hr1jq 4 ай бұрын

Need to put this in my pre workout…

@JonBattams 4 ай бұрын

I have actually vaped ws24, but am very interested to try icillin!

@notusingmyname2634 2 ай бұрын

That would be awesome to add to drinks just so they taste cold even if they arent

@sirkayks2304 4 ай бұрын

A little suggestion: using your Eppendorf pipette for highly corrosive and volatile liquids like conc. HCl will dramatically decrease its lifetime because it can corrode the mechanical parts inside. At least that's what's been told during my undergrad.

@christopherleubner6633 4 ай бұрын

Cool chemistry you got here 😂 🥶

@divyanshujha6088 4 ай бұрын

how like how for the first time he has made more than the literature says

@VividFlash 4 ай бұрын

Byproducts? Greasefat? 😂

@blahsomethingclever 4 ай бұрын

I want to taste this molecule!

@heuxheux 4 ай бұрын

This is straight up alchemy

@scrotiemcboogerballs1981 4 ай бұрын

Great video thanks for sharing

@Freya58202acab 4 ай бұрын

Have you tried making candies with it? Like heating it up with a little bit of water and a lot of Saccharose (and maybe some glucose) till all the sugar melts Then letting cool down in small pieces (basically making menthol candy on steroids) The this could distribute it rather well in the sugar and make it easier for the rezeptors to detect

@SimonBlokky 4 ай бұрын

Could it be that the reaction of acetophenol is driven by anchimeric assistance (aka neighbouring group participation) of the carbonyl oxygen? This would form an oxocarbenium intermediate, which is very sensitive towards nucleophilic substitution and would definitely allow this specific substitution to occur at mild conditions.

@Sanutep 4 ай бұрын

my org chem lecturer would scream that you deportonated at the enolisable positions but did not show the mechanism as proceeding through formation of enolate followed by carbonyl reformation to kick off diethylamine, instead going directly to the ejection xD

@ferretyluv 3 ай бұрын

That’s a lot to scream in one breath.

@bharatmadho3742 4 ай бұрын

Taking "got ice in my veins" to a whole other level

@rollbot 4 ай бұрын

i wonder if 'chewing gum' companies like extra/wrigleys/orbit etc would love this stuff to be encapulated in some kind of nanoparticle to make a chewing gum that would last forever or at least much longer than anything out there right now.the cold peppermind and wintergreen sensation is what everyone loves and associates with the flavor lasting a long time. so interesting!

@truthdoesnotexist 4 ай бұрын

they sell propylene glycol at pharmacies as a pure powder to treat constipation

@livedandletdie 4 ай бұрын

I mean, it reminded me of the toffees I used to make at home, with Chili and Menthol Flavor... I called them the Hot and Cold. Very strange feeling eating them.

@thux6 4 ай бұрын

Hi Chemiolis, great vid. I was wondering, where do you get your reaction mechanisms from? Do you draw them yourself? Thanks!

@Chemiolis 4 ай бұрын

I draw them myself and usually let someone else check them. If I don't know it I ask someone. Often it is not readily found online and we draw the most reasonable/likely explanation.

@Hammerbruder99 4 ай бұрын

I usually draw reaction mechanisms with ChemDraw, which I licensed with my uni account.

@adamorylski8195 4 ай бұрын

@@Chemiolis What software do you use to draw structures?

@adrianpip2000 4 ай бұрын

@@adamorylski8195 Can almost guarantee he's using ChemDraw with the ACS 1996 template

@Chemiolis 4 ай бұрын

@@adamorylski8195 Chemdraw 21

@NightmareRex6 4 ай бұрын

danm i wish i had a lab so i could make it and sell it at half or quarter price. how much would it cost to setup making it on average since its easier than most other things?

@hallowacko 4 ай бұрын

@NileRed should do this too

@ianlupardus4569 Ай бұрын

Okay but how do you predict the way molecules will rearrange themselves within the right conditions with the right reagents? How do you ensure the chemical bonds as intended? Is it simply chance, followed by a gleaning of the intended chemical?

@WaffleStaffel 4 ай бұрын

Heat? Very interesting. I have some menthyl methyl lactate, I wonder how this compares. I'm guessing the heat is because both propylene glycol and DMSO are causing a heating sensation when they pull moisture from your mouth, or are actually heating up from exotherm.

@user-tv6sw3vt9q 24 күн бұрын

Would you be willing to cover RB-64 at some point (salvinorin derivative compound)?

@robertstratton6444 4 ай бұрын

I was stoked to see this and immediately wondered "what about the WS- compounds?" Interesting historical note, the WS in WS-5, WS-12, and WS-23 alludes to "Wilkinson Sword", a shaving products brand that evolved from a gun manufacturer in Great Britain started around 1775. Apparently they wanted better cooling sensation compounds for things like shaving creams and discovered some that are now in chewing gum and pretty much everything else. Which brings me to the question: Why doesn't Japan approve amides as food additives?

@Chemiolis 4 ай бұрын

I think the problem with a lot of amides is that they can enzymatically hydrolyse in the body to give back the amine that is usually toxic.

@EvincarOfAutumn 4 ай бұрын

Is it not lipophilic? I was a bit surprised when you said “this leaves me with one option” and it wasn’t an oil.

@JakeDogg-RIP 4 ай бұрын

Is it really chemistry if u don’t taste the products?? 🤷‍♂️😉🍻

@user-hg1cx2yj8g 4 ай бұрын

Can you involve the papers that you used?

@nicksingh7408 4 ай бұрын

Quick question, how do I learn analytical techniques and literature like this?

@chanheosican6636 4 ай бұрын

DMSO with WS 12 may have potential as a pain killer. However the enhanced solubility of DMSO may lead to toxicity. I don't know if it been greatly researched? I plan to show how to make DMSO, copper nanoparticles and spearmint essential oil extract.

@Archer690Channel 11 сағат бұрын

if menthol is used on drinks to make them fresh, would it be viable to make an icilin soft drink?

@impo997 3 ай бұрын

bro skill issued literature OMEGALUL

@nunyafunyuns 3 ай бұрын

I want an Icilin vape!

@gigitirambolone3932 3 ай бұрын

Where can I buy Icilin? Thank you

@tomflanagan878 4 ай бұрын

I think a really cool project for you to consider is making ferrari pigment red

@chilling_at_pontiff 3 ай бұрын

ICEEE 🥶

@siestafrog 4 ай бұрын

now make toothpaste :)

@cleanshowcases7752 2 ай бұрын

This is like the fentanyl of spearmint

@James2210 4 ай бұрын

Do you take suggestions? I think it would be cool to have a video detailing the differences between food grade/lab grade/industrial/military etc chemical preparation.

@condor2279 4 ай бұрын

Solomon's Preparation

@johanhallgren 4 ай бұрын

I don't understand what you mean by 2.5 times stronger when it at the same time needs 200 times less of icilin than menthol? Please explain?

@Chemiolis 4 ай бұрын

200 times less required to activate the receptor, and the cold feeling is 2.5x stronger

@JacobCzxD438 3 ай бұрын

Mom can we get NileRed? No we have NileRed at home NileRed at home:

@ff05t81t 3 ай бұрын

What happens when you mix capsaicin with icilin?

@thedoctor2102 4 ай бұрын

Propylene glycol. Interesting. Could it be used in vapes?

@mduckernz 4 ай бұрын

WS-12 is used in vapes. This might be able to be used too, but with a nitro group being present it might not be very heat stable? Just at a glance, WS-12 looks like a more stable molecule that won’t polymerise or decompose readily under heating, unlike this Icilin

@Butcherbg 3 ай бұрын

Well that was a good peek into the world of chemistry, My probably (at least to the best of my own perception, grades aside) least understood school subject, that I've never further build upon after end of High School. Considering how most of what is going on inside humans is affected by exactly stuffs like that... Imagine what the people that understand, understand this science do... and can do... Like that was a week long process by a single person to make an bubble gum compound on steroids, now multiply that by 100ths of staff members of well funded government orgs operated for years upon years, having all the previous research and know how available. Well ~or private.

@popescucristian8978 4 ай бұрын

you should try drinking cold water after tasting it to get the full experience

@LawpickingLocksmith 4 ай бұрын

Canada is watching....

@derenjoy3r 4 ай бұрын

WS-23 is one I hate, its frequently in E-Liquids and the cold sensation is waayyyy to strong in the throat it actually hurts breathing in after if you vape a good amount

@mduckernz 4 ай бұрын

I have accidentally ingested some of the pure material and it was BAD, like it went way beyond cold, into just pure pain 0/10, would not do again

@derenjoy3r 4 ай бұрын

@@mduckernz haha how did you come to do that? Was it from coolant for E-Liquids or how did you come across it? The feeling really is horrible though. Especially if its in your throat, every breath hurts

@alcyonecrucis 4 ай бұрын

DMSO is tastable???

@funnyiestmemes 4 ай бұрын

What if we put it in a cig

@multiarray2320 4 ай бұрын

is it safe to randomly taste a chemical without doing some tests before? i dont know anyzhing about chemistry but to me it seems unsafe/dangerous. wasnt one of the chemical something with cyanide?

@Chemiolis 4 ай бұрын

No, you have to analyze it or know for sure that it is fine. In this case I did a simple but effective test and found it only contains the desired product. It is also important to take into account tasting vs ingesting, I always spit it out afterward. Besides, the amount is extremely small, even if my product was 95% pure, it is unlikely to cause harm. There aren't many compounds that are toxic enough to case harm with several milligram exposure. Experience and understanding the reaction and product is also ideal. With that, you can tell that there is no reason to suspect anything dangerous. There are more factors to take into account, such as literature precedent (the discovers tasted and ingested it too) etc.

@multiarray2320 4 ай бұрын

@@Chemiolis thanks for the reply. what test have you done to make sure its just the desired product? (or have i missed it in the video)

@Chemiolis 4 ай бұрын

I did TLC but I will probably also do NMR later

@Luca-wt4dn 4 ай бұрын

Did you characterize it? Maybe the yield is so high because of some unsoluble impurities

@Chemiolis 4 ай бұрын

Clean with only one spot on TLCs with Cerium phosphomolybdic acid stain. I don’t see a reason to expect impurities here either. Precursors wash out earlier and Icilin is cleaned easily in the end with its poor solubility.

@Luca-wt4dn 4 ай бұрын

@@Chemiolis idk, just strange that a "add everything and mix step" resulted in a x2 yield compared to literature. Maybe they didn't break the solid precipitated mass of the last passage, so that mixing was suboptimal

@MarcusAu3relio 4 ай бұрын

I would’ve done a column before tasting it just to be sure 😂 Also, is it legal to sell chemicals for ingestion? Is there a license for that? Do you have to use food grade precursors? Or is it okay to as long as you don’t call it a food/flavouring agent/medicine? I’m genuinely curious, because I have an interest in the niche flavour compound market. Thanks

@margodphd 4 ай бұрын

@@MarcusAu3relioThat heavily depends on country and state/local laws. To sell stuff marked for human consumption you need certified lab, certified precursors and to have the entire process reviewed,and then have analysis done on each product batch - that's in EU, and I assume the US has equally if not more stringent regulations. Which is why nobody bothers, same with cosmetic ingredients.

@glitchyglitch1235 4 ай бұрын

this guy spills less without a funnel than chemdelic with one

@Ben79k 4 ай бұрын

How many weeks until somebody tries to vape this stuff

@fordmodelT1957 4 ай бұрын

🥶🥶🥶

@rdizzy1 4 ай бұрын

I assume at some point soon, one of the chewing gum companies will use this in their mint gum.

@infinityphoenix8613 4 ай бұрын

Chemistry is very interesting, but in indian high schools we have to just remember organic name reaction and whole s,p,d,f block elements reaction. We learn 99.5% Chemistry theoretically. Teacher asks Chemistry practical question svia theory 😔. No one gives importance to practical and experiment...

@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 4 ай бұрын

That’s too bad, the practical side is the fun part!

@markedis5902 4 ай бұрын

Yellow chemistry

@user-cf6yr3pd8m 4 ай бұрын

Да, хорошие синтезы автор проводит.!

@hammerth1421 3 ай бұрын

Icillin probably is so inaccessible because menthol is dirt cheap and easily available.

@bagwithmilk 2 ай бұрын

Bro shulgin'd it😭

@versus_x 4 ай бұрын

Why you don't just use formaldehyde instead of peraformaldehyde?

@Hammerbruder99 4 ай бұрын

Paraformaldehyde is less toxic, doesn't stink as much and it's a solid at room temperature while formaldehyde is a gas. So it's easier and safer to handle.

@versus_x 4 ай бұрын

@@Hammerbruder99 got it🙃