I would like to know what the room temperature is, humidity, time of day, and the horizontal axis of the earth when you added the tape... 🤣😂You do a great job with these videos, keep up the good work.

I sleep better at night having this issue clarified ) 👍

You're much too polite in dealing with the people who want to prove someone was wrong on the internet, but are totally unwilling to actually test their own theory.

Well, if you think about it, mid size grips have the same .600 core as standard grip. More rubber thickness to make it .060 thicker. 6 layers at .010 will make the shaft now .660 thick and will definately stretch that .600 core standard grip, making the rubber stretch and get thinner and firmer. Its a technique to achieve a grip thickness somewhere between standard and mid size and change in grip feel. A.J is totally right about getting mid size grip to get that mid size grip thickness.

Your doing a great job,,,Always,,,an old Veteran,,,,

Awesome video! Actually happy to see you did a follow up to prove your point. I had someone get mad at me in the comments on a Grant Horvat video because I mentioned your previous video when they said Grant should use a jumbo grip b/c he gets 6 layers of tape with a midsize.

Some folks are happy to make statements based on hearsay/urban myth/historical fallacy, with no actual knowledge or experience in/with the thing they are commentating on. Other folks listen, understand, test and learn. The later can share that actual knowledge with others willing to listen, understand and learn. Thanks for being one of the 'other folks' AJ 😁

FINALLY, Metric measurements for the rest of the planet. Thankyou.

I'm with you AJ, good video, thanks.

Should have also done a swing weight test, what does a club with a midsized grip and a 6 layers and standard size swing weight at.

I guess it takes some people more than once to get the point. Thanks AJ.

I always thought it was more about in-between sizes than replacement sizes. I'd been a midsize player for years. When I got a set of Srixons, it was when there a supply chain shortage and grip stock was hit and miss. I had them ship TV's 'loose in box' thinking the store I bought them from could add midsize grips when they came in. Unfortunately they were out of the midsize grips I wanted when the clubs arrived. I was eager to hit my new clubs so the club tech suggested 3 layers of tape to make it just under midsize. Turns out I absolutely loved it. And did the rest of my clubs the same way. I don't get why you would try to add enough tape to make a standard truly midsize.

I really like the Golf Pride mid-size grips that I specified on my new Sub 70 clubs.

I wish we could just ignore ALL the complainers and whiners.

Thanks for the video! I think you saved me some tape. I usually use 2-3 pieces on my driver.

Very simple - if you want to build up the width of the grip with tape go ahead, if you want a mid size grip. If we think that .03" will have any significant difference in your play, so be it. You can also just buy the properly sized grip! Simple - great job and keep 'em comin'!! :)

Love these experiments.

You were right in the first video. Keep it up. I like your video and very professional.

Hey AJ, I guess there's always got to be someone who thinks that they know better. It just shows how ignorant people can be even when you spell it out to them. As usual, you are a genuine person imparting your hard earned knowledge, honest and professional. Thanks and best regards.

Of course you only got to half way. The larger internal diameter of the shaft with 6 layers of grip tape means the standard grip must stretch to go around the larger diameter. As the grip stretches it thins. Duh. I don't know why anyone would give you grief about this, as this is basic, elementary physics. "As a body is stretched it will become thinner." If you want a larger grip just buy larger grips. Love your work mate. Keep going.

You were not wrong. You can increase the diameter but it does not equal going from standard to midsize. I use 3 extra wraps on the rh part of the grip to take some of the taper out but it in no way equals a midsize grip which I do use on all my wedges. Thanks for all your videos. I've been building clubs over 20 years and I still find helpful tips in your videos. Keep them coming. Yours is one of my favorite channels.

In between standard and mid sized with reduced taper for what feels "right" to me. The "plus 4" standard golf pride grips feel noticeably larger in the lower hand than four wraps of tape. My old Velvet Victory grips were firmer than tour velvet's especially installing .580 core grips on a .600 diameter shaft. That alone made a slight difference in size. Throw on a few layers of tape under the lower hand and those old green and black grips were perfect, lol! I'll just stick to +4's for now.

Because grips are already thicker at the butt end, the build up tape will have more effect further down where the lower hand sits. I notice it even when a grip has one extra wrap but I notice it mostly in my lower hand. Redo your test and compare the effects between the upper portions and lower portions. I would suggest measuring about 1/3 of the way down from the top and 1/3 of the way up from the bottom which is about where the middle of the upper and lower hands sit. Then you will have a real world use case test and see how it affects the upper and lower hands. Two inches down from the butt is too close to the end to get a real work result. Also, build one club with no extra wraps and another club with six extra wraps and hit them both and tell us if you can feel the difference. As in this video, don't stretch the grips. You can work the lower part of the grip down slightly so it's not bunched up but don't stretch it as far down as the grip with no wraps. And I would suggest doing this test with grip solvent so you can use both hands to make sure the upper and lower portions of the grip go on evenly with no bunching. Grip solvent will also prevent you from stretching the grip because the grip will be able to retract to its natural position because of the solvent.

Despite whatever has been said, I have used your guide and converted my standard grips to plus 4’s which is working perfectly for me. Also in the UK 1 roll of tape is £1.50 and 8 grips would have cost me close to £90 so for me I thank you.

I agree with you AJ. I've regripped my own clubs for many many years. I myself have researched this topic before also and what I remember finding is that the amount of "build up" tape required to get a "Mid Size" equivalent, does not exactly get to Mid Size. I remember the info I found said, it would, be "slightly less" than Mid Size, which is right around the number you got (.93 ish). The info may have come from Golfworks, in an old catalog, or may have been off the internet. But, I never saw any info claiming a perfect Mid Size match using build up tape.

You were not wrong in previous video. But the grip length does not shorten a 1/2" due to putting 6 layers of buildup tape. It might shorten 1/16" but not a half... We have to get it to the pre-determined length as you normally do with the tape marker for the length. Thank you for your videos AJ and for taking the time to verify this to some of your followers. 👍👍

I install my grips with masking tape and air compressor. I play Lamkin Sonar Blackout standard+ with 3 wraps of masking tape, you can definitely tell the difference with each additional wrap, it feels just a tad thicker and a tad firmer I think because the grip stretches out a tad with each wrap so it feels ever so slightly thicker and firmer. So with those 2 feels combined it’s more comfortable for me. It’s not gonna take the grip all the way from standard to midsize, nor should you try to achieve that with wraps of tape, but each wrap of tape will alter the size and feel of the grip. And fyi, I’ve tried midsize, it’s just a tad too thick feeling for me, I just don’t like that feel. I enjoy your vids, keep up the good work👍🏻

Not wrong, well done as usual.. some people 🤷🏼‍♂️🤣

You rock! 🪨

Good stuff, I am sure the trolls will still complain, what else do they have to do when commenting on youtube or any other un social media.

Great video, you were not wrong. People are just upset because their belief system was blown up lol. I would like to see the impact the tape has on the lower hand and what changes there are in swing weight in standard grip built up versus midsize

I've always used grip tape to build up my grips and not masking tape because of the thickness...but I only do my own clubs and that's what I like!

I never thought trying to make a regular sized grip into an oversized grip worked since I was first club fitted to a jumbo grip. Re-gripping years later, the gentleman that was going to re-grip for me didn’t have my grip in stock. He said he was going to be able to build up a mid-size from the same manufacturer to a jumbo. I politely asked that he just do one so I could see if it was the same, if it felt the same. It was not the same, it did not feel the same. I said as much, politely. He un-politely said I didn’t know what I was talking about. I politely paid from the single regrip, and move to another shop who not only had my grips in stock, but insisted that I try at least 3-4 other short shafts gripped with different grips until I was satisfied. He then regripped a single club, which I checked and tested again, and I left with a full set of regripped clubs, and he had a new customer for life. I have a feeling that the first gentleman was one of the people who disagreed with your original post.

Seems like extra tape is a reasonable way to get a grip to be just a tad larger. Definitely not a way to get to the next size up but okay if you just want to see what slightly larger feels like.

Very good AJ!

I think you’re correct with where you are measuring. But I will say that grip looks larger in the lower section. What does it look like around 6-8 inches down the grip?

If you would have stretched the grip out like normal, it would have had minimal effect at the 2" mark for 2 reasons. 1- most of that stretching will happen at the thinnest part of the grip, that being the head end. The grip rubber is thicker at the butt end, to build up the taper of the grip. Due to the tapering thickness of the rubber over its length, the amount of lateral stretch will change over its length. You could easily test the lateral stretch impact on thickness, as well. 2- the grip is being stretched in 2 directions, diameter stretching which you properly demonstrated, and laterally which stretches over the entire length of the grip. The lateral stretch will be "diluted' over its length far more, by a factor = to its length.

Totally agree with you. Just buy a larger grip.

This pretty much depends on what you are going for, standard grip tape weighs 2-3g per strip so adding 6 to a 50g grip would be like having a midsize at 62-68g of weight. Personally I like standard +3 as midsize is too much grip and adds too much weight.

Two MAJOR points were not addressed in this video. FIRST: What happens to a grip when you STRETCH it over build up tape. You decrease the thickness of the grip. SECOND: You increase the hardness of the grip, removing the "feel" and shortening its life. Years ago we only had standard size grips. Now we have Undersize, Standard and Jumbo/Oversize. After two buildup wraps you should be going up a size to maintain the grips life and comfort.

So basically getting my 5 tapes on my midsize gives me still a larger grip but a nice firmer more direct feel than just getting a Jumbo. So I will continue to get my grips done this way.

AJ, any recommendations on grips/grip size for someone with arthritis?

I usually measure the build up diameter before installing. Do you build up the taper portion of S200 shafts? Seems they are a good deal smaller 8” below the butt.

An unconventional application of feel vs real

Can you use a simple tire compressor to blow on or off golf grips? Do you need a compressor that is 1/2 gallon spec and if so is that different than the ones you see on Amazon for around $50. Thanks for the info!

Well said, state the facts, present the facts, back it up and let the naysayers keep talking.

How many wraps do i need to go to jumbo from midsize? I already bought the grips and cant take them back ,😭 P.s. love this channel, learned a lot of non standard info from just a few videos. Cool stuff!

Love me some YT comment drama....🍿

As someone who re-grips clubs, please just buy the larger grip. Putting six layers of tape on 13 clubs isn’t the funnest thing in the world.

I just buy oversized grips.

I have a solution for this. Customers who want extra build up tape, charge them for for the extra tape than you would the midsize grip haha

Great vid. Noob question though.. would standard grip build up with take provide more dampening vs a midsize grip?

So 12 wraps would bring it up to midsize, no? How much total weight would that add? That certainly would affect swing weight significantly unless the 12 wraps is the equal to the off the shelf, Golf pride midsize grip.

Did you use a single layer of double sided tape? Per Golfworks that's required on any grip install or your desired size will come out small. Also I've used the Golfworks spec tape and it is thinner than they say it is. I would say use a std tour velvet 600 core grip on a 600 butt shaft with 5 layers of double sided tape. I think it would be very close to 960 midsize.

Like I said earlier, why not just buy the next bigger grip. I’ve tried a standard grip before but felt a grip needs to be a little bit bigger so I bought a mid-size grip and this did the trick. END OF STORY

What about also measuring the grip 90degrees from where you did. Where you measure there is 6 layers of tape but at 90 degrees to that there is 6 layers and 12 at the other side where it overlaps every time.

Enjoy the rest of your day off...

Math>assumptions and bias. Building up grip doesn't work how people believe, 2 videos proving. Great job!

Very interesting. Who knew 😂

Can you interview a tour pro who has tape built up in their grips and make them look like an idiot? Or do they maybe know something we don't? Have you ever seen Bubba Watson's grip? Pretty sure there's an effect on the lower hand at least. Pretty sure it's taper we are affecting and not grip thickness.

You have proved the pedants wrong

No malarkey around here.

I think I noticed that while you were putting the tape on, you may have been pressing down a bit too hard, compacting the tape…. I’m just kidding this video was totally unnecessary but I love that you debunked the keyboard warriors. You should invite one of them next time to make a rebuttal video 😂Keep being awesome!

TBH, if certain people are going him and haw about metric and Imperial measurements, it's very easy and simple to look up the conversion online. This is why we have handheld technology at our fingertips. Plus some of us in the world were taught both ways of measuring and converting it. Stop making life so overly complicated.

I came to this same conclusion, wasting expensive tape too. I use layers of cheap masking tape, then 1 layer of grip tape over the top..

These people.... complaining that stretching the grip one way thins it out too much, but are to idiotic to realize that it can be thinned out the exact same way on the diameter as it stretches around the build up tape. You are way to nice. These people are the equivalent of playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are the pigeon is simply going to knock all the pieces down, shit on the board and declare itself the winner. Don't give them the satisfaction of making you worry about it.

Why would anyone want to mess with extra tape? Just buy some mid size grips.

Don’t feed the Trolls 😂 Obviously you know what you’re talking about!

Oh so explain why Grant Horvat uses 8 wraps.

Inches ?? If i am not wrong only 2 countries use the imperial system So yes if you want to talk to the educated world then talk in Metric And yes stretching the grip out does make it thinner as apposed to letting it find its place Good video and keep talking mm not inches Please 👃

Yes. You 100% completely misled us and got it wrong. But I don't think it was intentional.

Facts and logic are irrelevant!

This is old of course, and im just home off the course. The tape. Is everyone missing the point? I use 4 over on a standard grip. As I prefer the larger size i cant stand the softer feel of the larger grip. iits not math? well it is, but the math needs the rest of the math. So in conclusion all of your effort is wrong. you are just not chasing the right animal. I'm not going to do the graphical corrections.

Measure in America