OH no!!!!! RIP 😢

😢 that's so sad

How very depressing and heartbreaking.

So messed ip

Lol

We have several mental health facilities under the misguided Forensic Hospital. Some individuals fight for years to be released from Forensic Hospital. If you kill someone you may get 20 years and then get your freedom back. Patients in forensic hospitals may be there for the rest of their life. Homeless individuals, fortunate to have their freedom, risk losing it entirely if they enter a mental health facility, as they may never be released. Our society is really messed up.

Because our politics gives Israel billions of dollars every yr and and Ukraine government millions of dollars to that's where our money goes even CEO gets pay rise and bonuses every yr

Is it the same in Melbourne?

I work in social housing and it has become the new mental health hospitals. People with severe MH live there, terrorising their neighbours and medication intake is voluntary. Then they find other MH people, have kids, abuse them and kids have even worse MH due to abuse + genetics. It's a disaster.

@@friendship9904 Ukraine received $150 billion in aid in 2 years. USA has 650k or so homeless. If you divide $150 billion, EACH AND EVERY homeless person in USA gets $230k USD!!! Homelessness could have been resolved but all the money is going to create more pain and misery and ukraine will lose, it's only a matter or time. $150b spent for nothing but to feed corrupt politicians all across the world and cause deaths!

Poor man, tragic for him and for the other unsuspecting people. Now, their families have to deal with the shock and loss.

😢

Brave, but not smart with no weapon

It’s spectacularly unfair 😢

Useless

Yeah we all are.

I have a friend who has severe anxiety. Whenever a bunch of us girls would go out to eat, she would say things like “Someone could come in here with a gun and kill us all.” We would tell her that we were safe and that wasn’t going to happen. Anymore, I find myself thinking that she has a point.

I now live in the Central West of NSW but 22 years ago I had to frequent a Specialist Orthopaedic Surgeon near there for a Workers Compensation injury I sustained. I used to look forward to going to the BJ Westfield to buy specially cheese and Godiva chocolates. I don't think I'd probably recognise the place now but I always had good memories of the place, but no more. I feel very sorry for the victims, their families, those who were working in the centre at the time and the other shoppers who will consider themselves fortunate that they got to go home. I think of all the victims, innocent as they were, we are all thinking of the baby of Ashley Good and how can a person stab a baby? I have a daughter who is 38 next month and thinking of all the years that Ashley had in front of her with her little girl, who will now grow up without her mum, is senseless and wrong!. We can't even say that it won't happen again because it likely will somewhere else and at some other time! Take care now and if you need to talk to someone do so!

@@oneminuteofmyday about 60 Australians die from falling out of bed every year. You’re safer in the restaurant than you are asleep at night

@@oneminuteofmyday Actually she doesn’t. The statistics on one’s chances of dying in a random mass attack is almost 0. I can sympathize with individuals with severe OCD but the last thing any of us should do is validate their irrational fears.

Aussie here too, I really like Dr Grandes view he is very intelligent & insightful

Yes, me too!

I wouldn't say we "are all scared of copycats"!. I had no difficulty with going to my local shopping centre yesterday. I'm extremely shocked and heartbroken for the horrible event at Bondi Junction and the Assyrian Church on Monday but I'm not living in fear. Both are very sad occurrences which I wish never happened, but I also know that we always learn by these events and changes will be made! That's the way we Aussies roll We use unexpected events to make improvements. I can see there will be changes in security levels and more preparation for events like these. I'm surprised that there weren't more security guards around. I know I live in South Australia, but our local shopping centre has security guards who are very obvious, and carry pistols, ever since a woman was murdered on site about ten or so years ago. They are unmistakable! They are big tough looking guys wearing black uniforms that move around the centre constantly, that looks like they wouldn't hurt a butterfly, but I know would react in a second if necessary I'd rather live in Australia than the USA, so it's funny to hear that the US has put a travel warning on Australi 😂. Hilarious, the country that seems to have single shootings and mass killings every week is afraid of Australia 🦘🐨. How odd 🤔 Anyway! I'm not afraid. We are OK! Two completely unrelated events! One perpetrated by a mentally disturbed adult man, and the other by a 16 year old deluded manchild, who also looked like he was suffering some demented delusion and had been caught up in an ideology that he may not yet fully understand 😢!

I am actually from and living in Bondi Junction….no words

Aussie here too 👍 You cannot live in fear it is not healthy for your well being or for your own mental health. Also if you have children they too pick up on the fear and it will cause them emotional anxiety and depression. Unfortunately this horrific incident was unforeseen. Australia is a safer country than many other countries when it comes to mass murders. Australia is Big Brother, and that’s a fact. Australia has strict gun laws which in hindsight is a good thing. Go out and enjoy your life as much as you can, life goes on.

You are brave to speak out. I wish you all the best in life.

Thank you for sharing. Stay well on your journey

My aunt had schizophrenia and was a peaceful, kind-hearted person. If she were alive, she would be horrified to hear of this tragedy.

How is it possible to know that there are no such thing as angels and still be convinced by hallucinations?

@@TesterAnimal1 trust me I still question things it just seemed so unbelievable to be angels now that I doubt myself that it was just me hearing things. I sat in my bathroom all night talking to them asking questions it was surreal.

Yeah, I read something similar.

They call those men Incels.

They always go for the weak and vulnerable.

I think it’s sick how frustration can lead to hate and anger. People please get help if you’re in a tight spot

Similar to Elliot Rogers. Except Elliot Rogers had a manifesto about being involuntary celibate.

Yeah. I assume not

If that were true, women would also be out there stabbing. So it's can't be mental health.

You cannot force someone to undergo treatment for mental or physical health issues unless a doctor or the police have assessed him as presenting as a danger to himself or others

The father also said that his son was frustrated and wanted a girlfriend.

What a total coward. A sick twisted cowardice man.

I'm absolutely horrified that he stabbed a baby in the pram and the mother! How was this sicko loose in society?!

@@Romulan2469 Because mental institutions fell out of favor, but they seriously need to make a comeback!

My goodness 🙏🏻 so so terrifying ☹️ that poor baby

@@leannemo7382you can still be involuntarily admitted to mental health wards

different people

I'm not sure that is a good idea, unless the man himself wants his name to be known. Because when your name is out there, it will be known to malicious people as well.

Public shaming is never appropriate because the crowd never has a true balanced perspective. The crowd = the heard. Its a safe rule to never take any side, but especially the side of the crowd.

If Bollard Man remains " Bollard Man " and never reveals his true identity.. it's Ok.. he's already in 'folk lore' for his heroism.

@@whahappened8398 his identity is known.

It appears he did his best to improve. Perhaps regular visits to a behavioral therapist could help him further. His father even took time off to care for him, suggesting that those who know him have done their utmost to support him. It's a truly unfortunate and unpredictable situation.

It's ironic that so many people assumed the attacker would be Muslim.... but the security guard who tried to stop him was Muslim.

@@mdaddy775 ???? no one assumed that

The police have to consider all options and a mass murder isn't normal behaviour. No idealogical motive was identified and this may be partly why. He was clearly looking for easy targets because when confronted by a husband squared up to protect his family, he bypassed the man.

@@roanaya2598 On X, heck yes they did!

This should prove once and for all that men and women are not equal.

That was decades ago apparently

@@waitwhat564 No it was not it was not long before he became homeless in Brisbane before he went to Sydney.

@@waitwhat564 His Mum said 5 years, his doctor had decided he was doing so well that it was time wean him off his anti psychotics.

Nah you are wrong HE WAS AN INCEL!!!

You would think they would always have to be on meds. Who would think it's ok to take them off? The struggle can often be getting them to stay on them too

There’s very poor medical or mental health care in prison in NSW

My heart goes out to you Joel ❤️ I'm sorry the greed and judgemental society weren't able to help you at all, I guess it's no surprise. I forgive you brother 😊

The aussie mental health system is severely out dated and run by boomers. Chances are like most of them he went nuts from the treatment. The guy wasn't a spaz and was smart and socialable when younger. Did they give him anti depressants and the side effects made him a fruit loop? Seen it happen before, but they blame the weed typically.

You even get put on hold when you call life-line, we have a serious problem in this country 😔

He probably wouldnt have gone to prison.

izlaeme to blame

This has nothing to do with mass migration. Diversity is strength!

@@MoqtadaAlSadir Wasser Ich habe....

@@fredthejunkman Der Arier wird wieder auferstehen, Du wirst sehen, der weiße Mann kann nicht zu seiner Vernichtung getrieben werden. Er wird reagieren.

@@MoqtadaAlSadirThe priest was Middle Eastern too.

There are very few safe places anymore. 😢

I'm from Melbourne and live on the Gold Coast, but love Sydney and have been going to Bondi Junction since 1998. My partner also used to live 2 blocks from there, and last November, we visited Sydney and ate a lovely brunch at a cafe right near the end of the street that looks towards the entrances to the Westfield. It feels so weird to keep seeing that cafe and street view on TV. I still love the area, and I still love Sydney. The fact that so many people helped, were so brave and heroic, and that SO many people are so distressed and shocked by this just shows that this is NOT normal, NOT acceptable and there are thousands more GOOD people out there than the people who do these horrendous things.

Well said Marzaak, I’m from Queensland and I cried. Love and prayers for everyone who is grieving their loss ♥️

@marzaak why isn't Australia calling him what he is? A te77orist

If I had to guess I suppose this kind of violence doesn’t happen too often there? Still horrifying though.

There were warnings according to his parents. Wasn't he also known to police?

​​@@angelavolkov1126 his parents didn't say that there were warnings specifically, just that he was sick and off his meds but he had no history of DV or violence and he had no criminal record, he was known to police but not for anything criminal, basically they said that they had some dealings with him but it was just a "move along" type situation, as he was homeless.

My heart goes out to you Joel ❤️ I'm sorry that our greedy self centred judgemental society weren't able to make you feel at home. I hope you find the peace now that this Earth was unable to provide you. I forgive you brother 😇

Due to their contact with him the QLD police admitted they knew his mental health was decline. EngagIng mental health outreach workers to visit him instead of telling him to just ‘move on might have been in order. A large % of homeless persons have mental health disorders and it’s a case of as long as they are out of site they are out of mind.

@@kyliem6358 yeah I agree with you 100000%, although I didn't actually read that the QLD police actually admitted they were aware of his mental health decline, that's disappointing 😞 we need better safeguards against this and our mental health system is an absolute joke, combined with our meth problem, just a recipe for disaster

Possibly. He was renting once in Brisbane, with others I heard. He probably went long periods in ok health. I'd say Sydney was his undoing. It's a very complex situation. So unfortunate.

​@@davidhumphries1146drugs

drugs

Such facilities with on going care don't really exist in Australia. You have inpatient units for acutely unwell people (they will usually stay for around 2 weeks), outside of that there are only community care units which is like community respite. The issue is, these community services cannot be forced on people, the only treatment that can be assertively provided is an injectable medication and that's only if they meet the criteria for involuntary treatment under a Mental Health Act. This client was voluntary, homeless and very undertreated for his mental illness.

yeah but he can't be FORCED TO....dont you people realize that?

And those female reports for 9 News all trembling and crying for the mother victims is such a turn off. We all feel and know it's very sad situation. Just be professional and present the facts and get the job done. As is the other news they don't seem to be able to present a story objectively. They can't help but push their very subjective opinions on you.

Then why did I know everything he said already? It was all covered by media somewhere, that's where he got it from.

@@bsrwaf - I watched all the major news reports from various news outlets, and there was nowhere near the same level of detail that Dr Grande provided; not even 10% of the detail he provided.

@@shaz4532 like I said I knew all of it. I've also posted elsewhere bits he missed. You couldn't have watched 'all the news' because you only saw 10% of it. Where do you think he got his information from?

​@@cz964what? The first victims we knew about were the baby and her mother, and you... were turned off? Something very wrong with your empathy in this.

It was a police officer who shot him

@@shojinryori A woman policeman !

No death penalty on oz

Agree 💯%. See all of my comments above. It is certainly a nightmare for the sufferer and his family, and it has to be managed. A family with a son or daughter suffering from this terrible mental disease must learn how to manage it as well as possible or the outcome can be disastrous, like this tragedy here. There are meds and doctors available - use them. Take the time to accompany your family member to his/her appointments and make sure they take their medication. There are 'slow-release' anti-psychitic injections available. Find out about them. There are clinics & institutions with their doors & arms open to help. Use them. Don't let mental illness cause tragedy on the streets. Love your afflicted ones enough to help them.

@@Faristol7I absolutely agree! Unfortunately the town that we are both from have closed down our mental health hospital and getting help here is hard. He did stop taking his meds and his parents did everything they could do. They even had him living with them and they were monitoring his medication. Unfortunately he is 40 yrs old he moved state and they could only do so much. They tried to get him help here and with the mental hospital closed it’s very hard. The hospital was great especially when it came to them being non compliant when taking their meds. My friend has the injections and his lovely wife takes him to go and get them once a month. He had stopped taking them at one stage when he was younger and also by choice ended up homeless so his mum took over like they tried to which lucky in my friends case worked and he was compliant.

I was just thinking how much worse this could have been in a country where civilians can carry guns left, right and center...

In the Rawanda genocide almost a million people were killed primarily with machetes. If violent people want to harm others badly enough they don't need guns to do it.

So you're glad that no one in Australia can defend himself against a crazed killer. You're incomprehensible.

Yes. It could have been a lot worse.

Ban assault knives Why are we not hearing this screamed from the rooftops? In any other instance you would be calling for everyone’s rights to be taken away…….. Why is not one seeking the kicking in of private citizens doors to remove these horrific sharp instruments that cause so much death and destruction!? In any other case you would. Why not now? Treating this as if it’s somehow not horrific is sickening when it’s used to push a political position.

Of course mental health is always to blame when the perpetrator is white. If he was Black, his culture would be blamed, if he was Arab, his religion would be blamed. Its funny how only white killers are individualized and permitted the excuse of mental health for their actions.

Do you just assume any blonde girl is your daughter LOL

​@@elianazuniga6541She said that her eyesight is terrible.

@@elianazuniga6541nothing to make a joke about. I have four daughters. You would be surprised how many young women look alike as they tend to copy each-other’s style of dress and hair. Are You a parent?? If You were, then I don’t think You would make this comment. I Aug. I got a text that there was a potential active shooter from Our oldest at her high school. One of the Worst 5 minutes of My life! She is fine and they caught the person before he did any harm!! 🙏

@@Jinger17 that's completely different. It was at your kids actual school. But to assume any brown haired girl is my daughter is a little delulu. And yeah I have four kids.

@@elianazuniga6541fr 💀

All I keep thinking is imagine if he had access to a gun. Absolutely devastating situation. We could have had a lot more victims without our gun laws.

I live in Canada. We had a similar (but less lethal) incident in my neighbourhood a few years ago. The man had a gun in his car, but had been unable to buy any ammunition. I was so grateful that he didn’t have access to a gun. It would have been so much worse.

Machete attacks are on the rise thanks to immigration

@@mashenka6189But Australia hasn’t had a mass shooting since the Port Arthur one in 1996 though ? Also, it’s a common fallacy that more guns = more safe. Here in the US, that’s the bogus stuff the NRA promotes. Also, the blue states with strong gun laws here have overall less homicide rates.

@@RB01.10 ahhh yes..Chicago, LA , San Francisco, Detroit…Utopia..❤️

Absolutely.

Cannabis is damaging to the developing brain. And the brain is still developing until around 25-28 years old. Its the Frontal Lobe and Cortex that is the last stage in brain development and that is cognition, reasoning, judgment, critical thinking, intelligence, Executive Functioning, higher mind and metacognition. Someone who has smoked weed since they were a teen will be stunted developmentally at that age. I've seen it first hand with most of the people I know, including my ex and my best mate. And the reason why weed smokers are so convinced that it doesn't and hasn't caused any issues is simply the result of impaired and damaged cognition. You can't access or even be aware of the damaging effects on cognition if the only means in which you determine that damage is from your own cognition. The arguing defensive weed smoker is an example of stupidity in action.

The data is still inconclusive regarding THC and schizophrenia, but it seems plausible that those affected should not use marijuana or any recreational drugs.

I’ve read literature on thc induced psychosis, it is a huge reach that avoids some essential evidence to the contrary.

Is there research to show it can *cause* it? Worsen, yes, but actually creating it from nothing is not something that I've ever seen in studies.

Exactly this. It's so easy to blame the mental illness. Yet, women with mental illness rarely resort to domestic terrorism or spree attacks like this.

could there be political influences? (police can’t let that be concluded) religious influences? (police can’t let that be concluded) social influences? medicinal influence? (police can’t let that be concluded) was it just delusions?

@@nukeputin420 Women or men. People with mental illness are less likely to commit a crime. Mental illness is totally conflated with people who do drugs for these incidents. It was the meth and all that that did it.

@nukeputin420 yeah, they'll usually target their own children instead of strangers.

I think most of us want to think that we can prevent such acts while in many cases we can't. The same was in Poland when man with mental health problems history drove into a group of people in the center of a large city, immediately saying why someone didn't prevent it, etc. We need to accept fact that sometimes we won't be able to do this, it's scary but true

I have heard it described as a nightmare you cannot wake up from. With medication it can be controlled but many stop taking their medication, or won't take it in the first place because they think people are trying to poison them. It's a terrible illness and very sad.

No, an incompetent mental health system is scary, NOT schizophrenia!

Maybe so, but no excuse to do what this man did

Indeed, rates of a certain thing that gets censored here are on par with the transgender community. No easy answers unfortunately.

Crystal meth is, too.

I’m so sorry for your client. Hope she’s doing ok. Can’t imagine processing that trauma.

@@geewilakers5229 she was unbelievable lucky. Some workers came to her help. In the midst of evil, one can always find good people.

Omg poor thing that's terrible I hope she's ok

I had a man follow and verbally abuse me, funny, he was sane enough to do this only to the women who were around and ignored the men unless they directly interacted with him.

Woah 😮 she was lucky in the end, what a fright though

I love that bit LOL Much needed dry humor for a discussion video like this.

Right, I am so sick of the constant pandering to mentally ill people

The parents should have made more effort to make sure he was medicated. And not alone & lonely. My schizophrenic son is on serious meds, gets regular visits to the psyche clinic (because we take him, and have done for the past 20 years, lives with us and eats with us at least once a day. It's called 'looking after your mentally ill son so he's not a danger to society or himself. It's hard work, but it has to be done, or this can be the outcome. We watch our son like hawks.

They still have rights to leave. If your home is like a jail, good luck with that.​@Faristol7

I know right! I'm sick of these bleeding heart shits!

​@@Faristol7While I'm glad that you have been able to manage your sons mental illness in the way you have I think that you are being incredibly judgemental to the parents of the offender. Now before you accuse me of having no idea what I'm talking about I would like you to know that not only have I had plenty of psychiatric nursing experience as an RN over 2 decades but mental illness including schizophrenia, bipolar disorder as well as several of the other mental health conditions such as OCD, anxiety disorder and PTSD run through both my family and my ex husband'I have many memories of visiting clients in their homes, some living independently while others, who were fortunate to HAVE loving family members who COULD care for them, lived with parents who were old before their time. Many individuals will self medicate, not liking the feeling that the medication gives them and dual diagnoses are common. Here in Australia, and I am in NSW where the incident took place having shopped at that Westfield beforehand, I can tell you that the public mental health system is extremely underfunded and there just aren't enough skilled staff even if beds are made available. I have had my own children stay within the private psychiatric hospitals in years gone by, but today with the rising cost of living many people have opted out of private hospital care and cannot access it unless they're rich. Many of the people I used to see lived in housing that was inadequate for their needs and it was the fortunate ones indeed who did have family who were in the position your son is. Unless a person is at imminent threat to himself or others and is over the age of 18 then they are at liberty to move about and travel and live wherever they choose. A parent or caregiver can be charged with assault for preventing the liberty of an individual who doesn't want to stay at the family home or elsewhere with someone. I had a mother, over 20 years ago now, call me desperate for advice on what to do about her 18 year old son who left the family home and neither she nor her husband knew where else to search for him. They'd exhausted all options of where he might be but wasn't. It was a slow night at work and I spoke to that mother for over an hour but I couldn't help. She was concerned that he might have jumped from the Anzac Bridge in Sydney but I never found out what happened with that family. I could be here all day talking about my family alone but I have to go. Your situation is one of MILLIONS and I hope that your son continues to allow him to manage his life as you do and that you remain well enough to do so, but please don't judge the Cauchi family who I'm sure are devastated that their son killed and injured all those people and who is now dead himself! Thanks for reading.

Honestly I think we see a lot of mini snaps all the time. I think many of the Karen incidents are people schizophrenic or other delusional disorder. I wish there was a way to report it as a mental health problem to get the person under control BEFORE they do worse.

You live a sad life. I can tell everything I need to know about you by this one dumbass comment. 😂😂

That is not true. If you find yourself in a position like that you wouldn't carry around a sharp blade. You would structure your life around the failure of your mental health landing you in a cushioned area with all your basic needs met. As a society it's our duty to care for those who are disabled. And likewise the person with a situation where they would "snap" if they mess up their medication or can't get prescribed it again, whatever you're talking about, they want to live to see another day and so they will structure their life around being able to survive such an episode. It's the same as how someone with seizures has a dog come with them that can sense they're about to seizure, and cues from the dog makes them lower themselves to the floor quickly and brace for the seizure. Likewise a person whose mental health degradation would cause absolute turmoil to their body/mind, they know that, while they are medicated, and would be trying to figure out how to be able to survive various scenarios involving mental health episodes. For example yes maybe they always make sure their phone is charged and they have multiple ride share apps that at least one will always be able to call a ride share back to some cushiony place they can call home. And this person clearly didn't care about dying and that is not common amongst humans, who famously play the game "don't die" more often than anything else, where you have to make sure you don't die while operating for example, and saving others, it's so so so common, so no, this kind of person is not common and also the kind of person with that kind of problem wouldn't just sharpen knives and have an episode ready to rampage, they would think I want to live another day, and so they wouldn't bring weapons but rather SOLUTIONS to various problems they can encounter. And a medical professional can help them come up with a lifestyle plan, and our governments should pay for this because we can generate so much wealth if we are smart and in a good mind, and those people are heavily taxed and technology/materials are as cheap and mass producible as ever, so some percent of that absolutely can help create social, medical, etc structures. There's gotta be someone there for them to show them they matter and that there really are a number of reasons they should want to live, and it might be hard for them to understand that such connections are always possible in at least some future of theirs. So anyway. It's not common but you should still always be aware of your surroundings. Not saying the victims here weren't, rest in peace. I hope the families and society as a whole can recover from this, it's all super sad this happened at all, that someone not only k*lled themselves but wanted to impart a sadistically torturous situation on others before they left. Sad, yes, but extremely rare, though. Someone who has thoughts about stuff like this needs to open up to medical front staff who take what they say seriously, they will know who you need to talk to and develop plans and systems for you to be able to win yourself and at least have things to always look forward to and future potential rewards despite absolute catastrophe in any current moment.

What do you mean by that? Are you referring to specifically violent individuals or people with serious mental health problems in general?

@@snared_Can you split this into paragraphs so it’s readable plz, no idea what you said

It's a horrible thing to happen and to happen in a place this doesn't usually occur. I'm in the US, stuff like this happens very often here except it's usually with semi-automatic guns and twice as many injured or killed it's extremely terrifying. I go to work everyday at a large grocery store chain that this happens country-wise a few times a year, we even have videos we have to watch on what to do in case there's an "active shooter". I don't wish that on any other country to experience for it's citizens and I'd be a happier person if it was a rare occurrence here too.

He literally says in the video about another case where a schizophrenic woman in Queensland killed 8 children.

@@nikhilajith8880 because a single other case similar to this one means it’s happening all of the time yeah?

@@nikhilajith8880 such an ignorant and frankly hateful comment to make honestly. If you yourself aren’t Australian specifically from nsw or qld you absolutely wouldn’t know the cultural impact this event had. Are you actually trying and downplay the severity of this crime by insinuating it’s a frequent event here or are you just a hateful person all of the time?

@@sophieh1362 You have to improve your reading comprehension skills if you think that's what my comment says.

He was in psychosis. If he lived, he wouldn't have been charged as he was not sane at the time of the killings. Peace

@@bah667 mass murderer, he would've been charged... peace!

@@Hatbox948read AGAIN, I meant pacific, not specific...

@@ursinha115 agree yo disagree.

@@bah667 fair enough!

Yeah but it’s no excuse to do this. “Voices in my head” we all do, maybe stronger than others. But is that an excuse to do that? If you’re a diagnosed schizophrenic and abuse substances all due respect you should be in a mental institution. Being a schizophrenic and mixing it with psychedelics? Jesus. Not agreeing or disagreeing with you. Needs to be taken more seriously.

He was an incel targeting women...I hate how he KNEW what he was doing

Exactly is not just voices in the head though. You may never ever hear voices but your personality is affected by extreme paranoid delusions and violent urges.

Yes it is, but it’s no excuse for murder or violence. People who do this crap ruin it for the rest of us who are just trying to live normal lives and hopefully not be institutionalized.

He definitely knew what he was doing. He carefully avoided men, was scared of the man threatening him near the escalator, he knew exactly what he was doing.

I thought the same thing "what if he had had a gun?"

Imagine if someone else had a firearm when he strolled in with a knife. How was he stopped again?

@@AmonAnon-vw3hr "Imagine if someone else had a firearm when he strolled in with a knife. How was he stopped again?" Imagine if someone not in a uniform pulls out a firearm in a crowded shopping centre...

​@@australianfoodreviewsgentleman could have used his car as a weapon😎

@@AmonAnon-vw3hr By a police officer and two members of the public armed with poles. No civilian guns needed.

Yup

Whilst I agree with your point, there is no evidence he took hallucinogens

I think you're onto something. It's probably on par with drilling holes in a boat to help it float lol Not to mention schizophrenic off medication combined with a love of knives - HELLO AUTHORITIES if that's not a red flag what is?

@@stoicsavage509I’m sure meth would be just as bad if not worse

@@natas12rm ok.. But there's no evidence of that either

😢

The others got stabbed protecting the Bishop very different circumstances.That was a targeted attack.

What a mess 😢

@@lynpatricia6854 I'm sure that's a relief to the victims

"Diversity is a strength."

Many don't want to hear this, but you are correct. The Mental Illness safety net does not exist and people like this guy will increasingly act. In most places, there is no place to put these sick people where they can get treatment. Judges are too timid to rule that some need to be treated AGAINST THEIR WILL ! WHEN THEY ARE A DANGER TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS. No State Hospitals exist where long term stays can be done. The repulsicans, led by Ronald Reagan, gutted what little mental health systems we had. Now we're all at risk.

What an absurd answer. It is VERY HARD to involuntarily admit someone in most democracies or republics. Those who lean against personal and family responsibliity blame "the system" an awful lot. He committed NO violent acts. What would you have him forcefully commited for? smh

heartbreaking thing is that the mother of the infant died. she was 38 and just had her first child

He had a diagnosis for over 20 years, in that time he was never known to police except a random weapons check stop in QLD (in a place they do this regularly). This is more likely to be drugs or drugs + schizophrenia. Schizophrenia on it’s own rarely RARELY leads to danger to random people. Usually it is the person or people close to them that are at risk (if at all).

Nobody had a reason to keep him hospitalised unless he volunteered to be there. He had no previous history of being a danger to himself or others, and there was nobody around him to say if he was having an acute episode or break in order to get him hospitalised. He was under private care before he discontinued it, and everyone has the right to discontinue care from that doctor if they choose. Same with the public system. There was no duty of care that was breeched. He was a grown man with an illness he stopped treating and had the right to do so. Nobody had cause to think he’d harm anyone. You can’t just lock up or monitor schizophrenic patients with no criminal history or history of violence because they’re schizophrenic. I’m as shocked and disgusted and devastated by this as all other Aussies but unless more information is released suggesting mental health professionals knew he was a risk leading up to the crime and did nothing the system didn’t fail here.

There are thousands of people with mental health conditions that struggle with obtaining and holding onto an intimate relationship or even persons friendships - that doesn’t make them incels - they are just very socially isolated.

Drop the incel crap. There are millions of men who are starved of relationship but very few go on a women-killing rampage. There's also no evidence he was part of any online incel community. Just stop it.

Weird point to make

Weird indeed

I get what you're saying, despite the other 2 commenters playing dumb.

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Amen

Not just armed. But also well trained. In Oz you only graduate from the police academy if you can shoot under pressure with your eyes shut.

Completely agree. I don't feel it takes away their rights at all to care for them when they can't care for themselves. Families can struggle to do it on their own.

I’m old enough to remember how schizophrenics were treated, and it wasn’t pleasant. Many people spent 50 years in a room with limited to no real ‘care’. Now, we have the total opposite and they’re ‘in the community’, again with limited care usually. Neither is ideal. The reality is the public is not ready for the kind of costs that good public mental healthcare would entail.

@HkFinn83 well they certainly need something better than what they have and what they've got now. The small facilities they do have in this country are packed to the rafters with drug users with their self induced psychosis and there's no room for those with proper mental illnesses. I was raised in Epsom and remember the psychiatric cluster hospitals nearby, those patients were just flung out under the guise of 'care in the community' and many returned to closed hospitals not knowing what had just happened. Some people just need a facility and as the population has grown considerably the authorities need these facilities back.

Unfortunately drugs make otherwise sane people act like they're insane.

No, I don’t agree. People were murdered throughout the past. We just don’t remember them as vividly . I’m not going to go looking for stats, but here’s an example. My friend, who’s an older lady, her father was shot dead by a 15 year old farm worker when she and her sister were young children. They were in the house at the time. He shot their mother as well, but she survived. I found the court reports, he wanted to see someone die. There have always been murderers and killers, we try to stop them, but sometimes we can’t.

drugs are definitely a problem and a reason why we have so many issues with mental illness in the first place on top of a sub par mental health system (although not everyone is primed to develop schizophrenia from cannabis, but some people are)

Sure, if you have schizophrenia you shouldn’t be anywhere near mind altering substances

Bullshit - "under the radar" my ass. The guy had an established history of mental health issues.

Blame his parents for what?

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You think he would have been able to stab as many people in an American red state with open carry?

He would have been shooting with a magazine in America.

Well yea, imagine how many more lives would have been lost if it were a semi-automatic weapon like what happens commonly in America …

@misskarinaleigh how was he stopped again?

@@AmonAnon-vw3hr by the only people who should have guns - law enforcement. thanks for proving the point on gun laws working 👍

@@ItsFishy369 I had family in medicine and was involved in the frustrating, usually fruitless, attempts to find a bed, a room, a placement. So dispiriting knowing many could have led much better lives and their families could have been freed from constant worry and fear. Politics has distorted public perceptions and tried to solve situations on the cheap, financially and emotionally. Sorry, I got down a rabbit hole.

@@lynnedwards1727 No need to apologize, totally understand where you are coming from. Was involved with support services, walked away from a broken and underfunded system.

Exactly

But maybe if all drugs were legal, some of the less harmful ones to the greater society would be in use instead of meth, which seems to be the worse. A complex topic.

Blaming this on illicit drugs is insane.

Or he could have just been shopping and exploring his new city at the other centres. Something just might have triggered him off on this day.

@@cathyanderton1583 They also found stuff on his phone showing he had been researching how to stab / kill people. And the other Westfields he had been to are quite far apart. Bondi Junction, Penrith and Parrammatta.

They also join government as Senators for the Greens

What are you talking about? ‘Mental health hospitals were closed down’. Please don’t comment on things you don’t know anything about. Mental health wards are most definitely still a thing in NSW.

We absolutely still have mental health hospitals,. Nearly every major public hospital has a mental health ward. However bed space is minimal, there is a lot of pressure to get patients in and out as fast as possible and care is inadequate at best. When a patient is released there is next to no follow up, no referrals made for a psychiatrist or psychologist and if a patient can't afford $400 an hour to see a psychiatrist they're essentially on their own again. There is no way the attacker would have been able to afford psychiatric care in Sydney, when he was living rough already. It was a disaster waiting to happen.

@@kwestttttI'm not talking about MH wards, please re read my post. I said MH hospitals. Big difference. As per MH NSW: "From 1811 up to the latter part of the 20th century, institutional care in specialised hospitals was the primary means of service delivery. From the 1970s onwards, this progressively gave way to a focus on community-based care, and greater use of psychiatric units in general hospitals." General hospital MH wards exist because they closed the dedicated MH hospitals down. Is that simple enough for you?

@@popartpistol I stated MH hospitals, not MH wards. As per MH NSW: " From 1811 up to the latter part of the 20th century, institutional care in specialised hospitals was the primary means of service delivery. From the 1970s onwards, this progressively gave way to a focus on community-based care, and greater use of psychiatric units in general hospitals." General hospital MH wards exist because they closed the dedicated MH hospitals down.

what are your pronouns?

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F…his family. How about the families of the innocent people he murdered?

Should be termed what it really is "mental illness"

I don't think that he'll redo it. For sure I think it's important to note that almost all the victims were female, and what the motive behind that may be.

The Oxford definition of misogynist is "a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women." There are men, apparently, who hate women because of what they are, how they behave and what they represent. Joel's father was interviewed and when asked why he thought his son targeted women he replied, " ...because he wanted a girlfriend and he's got no social skills and he was frustrated out of his brain....." So I would argue that he did not hate women but rather was retaliating against them for rejecting him. If you look on youtube for Joel Cauchi's Father speaking you will find this initial reaction.

Make your own video instead telling someone else to redo their work. Are you a school teacher or something?

Sorry to burst your necrophilia bubble. Ozzie cops don't have to murder people to be part of the gang, that's what American cops are for.

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Amazing she didn't surrender

Not on all levels-someone stopped him from going up to another level when he was on the escalator.😜

His internet search history shows it was premeditated.

Security guards are a joke here though, they have about two days of training via videos and are often not given a background check. I have worked adjacent with a lot at events and would not want them to be armed. I also read that this particular guard was on his first day of the job, I doubt he would have immediately fired off a weapon. Still, I have a major respect for him for trying and RIP.

Yeah, if it were mental health, then we'd see women do this too.