I think a tavern would be a good addition for a common area. :)

Yes to a tavern on the village green and for more aesthetic fields.

A tavern might be fine but not on the trees!

Yes a tavern will be good keep some trees if you can but either or it will be great, also great series the best I’ve found in this game

I think you should build as many fields and pastures as your people are able to work. Stay true to the farming village idea and keep rundlingen as lvl 1 with it being very rural.

Same, best playthrough without a doubt.

Exactly!

Me too!

Another thing to consider is that these people largely produced a lot of their day to day items on their own. The had to memorize every task they did, be they smith or whatnot typically. Paper or vellum wasn't cheap! And while later in the period a lot more people could read and write than we think, this came closer to the renaissance. Which means smelters and such had to memorize their recipes and methods. That's pretty amazing to me.

"poor education" is a very limited perspective. Humans tend to suffer from familiarity bias and the Dunning-Kruger effect in this as in everything else in life. Even in modern contexts, a formally educated person will often underestimate or outright ignore a lifetime of working experience (e.g. a college-educated engineer who doesn't understand why the veteran machinist is allowing for a certain tolerance in making tool components). Vice versa, a person who has learned their trade through work experience for a lifetime may dismiss or outright reject the usefulness of a formal education (e.g. a veteran machinist used to producing parts of a certain tolerance not understanding why a new computer-designed iteration needs higher precision parts for better performance). Each has its own strengths as well as weaknesses, like being able to organize principles and concepts versus understanding hands-on practical details of how things work or don't work. Modern people in industrialized countries tend to start from a much more formal educational background (even at a grade school level), and they look at people in developing countries or from pre-industrial historical time periods as ignorant -- in terms of formal education. But as OP alluded to, these people with no (formal) education had generations of informally accumulated habits, wisdom, superstitions, etc. This body of knowledge acts as a set of heuristic rules -- not necessarily logically or scientifically rigorous or sometimes even particularly correct, but they are mostly "good enough" for keeping people more fed than hungry, more healthy than hurt, etc. In a world with little to no scientific method, they were still able to figure out which plants and animals were worth cultivating for food, clothing, dyes, medicines, etc. for tens of thousands of years before modern medicine, agriculture, and other sciences were developed (and stopped killing people too frequently through Dunning-Kruger). Just seemingly simple things like how to plant a food crop and bring it successfully to harvest, or ensuring a newborn animal survives, involves a huge amount of knowledge.

Good to know, hopefully they add that to the description of Horse, or Trader.

@@JuergenGDB Trading cart can transport 10 items, horse cart can transport 20 items in one go.

hey man if you have done some researchs or something i would be very happy to read them, im doing a geographical first degree right now and im interrested in urbanism

That sounds really cool! In what countries have you worked?

Hes always that way, he is a history nerd, which makes strategic games of history always a pleasure to watch. He brings the aspect of Role-play and historic accuracy nicely together.

Exactly, and then those other youtubers moan about things like trading, when they just have a tiny village or unlocked anything.

Didnt he call south german village a slavic village? He is form bavaria so he should know the difference

@@konkwistador3121 It doesn't mean that he is a historical expert. He probably looks into the Internet or reads a few books before every let's play series, so that he knows a few fun facts and historical relevant time periods. For Manor Lords he looked up village and city architecture, how they planned out villages etc. So mistakes can happen a lot.

​@@konkwistador3121 when did he say that?

Yeah, KCD was the thingnI was thnkingnabout when he travelled around the village.

oh yes - how i hate it when the use the grid... i was really searching for a city builder diffrent from anno grid style and this will be my game. Foundation is also good but i played it already too often and lost interest.

American here, I can't wait to try this game so I can AVOID grids and make organic plots. The way plots can adapt to irregular shapes is incredible, I want every city builder to have this tech now haha

As a gamers and modern humans, we are so used to think straight lines and grids, you can see it in almost every KZfaq playthroughts. In reality old villages and towns have grow different way, depending from various reasons. You can see it even nowadays where there are old towns left. It is wonderful that at last we can now build really organic and natural way in Manor Lords.

Seems, you guys never played Ostriv!

Yea, grid style is best for modern city builders and city builder games set in Imperial China or other civilizations that were known for using grid style cities, not medieval European city builders.

Indeed. They were also much more connected to the land than we are and thus developed local innovations with local resources that are quite clever. We finally figured out Roman concrete, but only because we looked at local resources (volcano ash). I mean just because someone can't read or write doesn't mean they don't have a brain. I mean I always think about how I can improve certain things instead of struggling all the time (it's simple but a good analogy: I leave my shoes and keys and wallet in the same spot so I don't have to look for it). In a medieval context you could say carrying things by hand sucks so I make a sled. Well a sled can get snagged on things so I make a cart. Well the cart tips over too easy when loaded down so I make it wider. I don't need to read or write for common sense!

Yes, next to the market stalls.

Yeah. Grids were rarely a thing in Europe. Grids are how American cities were laid out 700 years later.

same, cant wait

The orchard is a garden extension and costs a development point (a valuable resource) so, sadly, probably isn't worth it.

@@antorseax9492 if the region is fertile then it is worth putting dev points for the region in agriculture

Yes, thank you for this comment! When recording, I very much have to be somewhat reductive to not get lost in the sauce and it's always good to see a more extended angle in written discussion afterwards!

True, but I’m pretty sure there were three very notable inventions that made it possible for societies to grow and develop into one with a monetary system once more. This process eventually caused societies to become an agrarian urbanism society. Sure, there was a groundbreaking new plough, but only in combination with what OPB described as the crop rotation (instead of the two-yearly crop rotation) and the often forgotten possibilities for deforestation and draining of swamp and other bogland would allow for there to be more space for properly designated land for agriculture. One last thing I’ve also not seen either of you mention is that instead of using oxes they started using horses for ploughing. Horses can dig way deeper into the ground to assure for seeds to be planted without failure. As a result of all of these inventions societies would be able to develop into those with more specialized varieties in work, like I’ve described at the start of this message. I hope that this is helpful and clears everything up a little bit more.

@@thitalo1239 Indeed, this revolution comes from a lot of innovation (or generalized use of very rarely used old inventions), but I have summarized 70 pages of one book in some lines, so it's very short... And all of this inventions work together, so I have only talk about the majors ones, and those that seems important to me in the context of the ostseelung. (I don't now how to write it exactly, I don't speak German) Firstly, they were a lot of land with already established farms, and those were often the latest to adopt the new system. Indeed this new system was very costly and so the first places to implement it were villages along swamps or forests that could have a huge benefit from it by extending their farmlands, and thus justify the investissement. Then there were colonies established by lords, wealthy people and monks on their lands unused untill then (great swamps, forest... the Flanders are a great example, even if it is quite peculiar as this was a gain on sea). After that some people did the same on other lands, it's probably the case of the ostseelung (but I don't really know). I know it's the case for Prussia under the Teutonic Order for example. And finally regioins were all the lands were already used switched to the new system. This took way more time because those investement were not justify by a possible expansion of farms, and especially there were many traditions and laws that had to be changed, or even all the fields had to be redesign, because before the plough, it was better to have rather small square field, and with the plough long and narrow fields are better. So I agree with you, to extend to this new places, a lot of deforestation had to take place, but also the draining of swamps. For the latter, it was almost unprofitbale to do it without plough, so I only say that the plough allowed to extend on otherwise too damp soils. And it's a grreat example of inventions that work together. For the horses that replace the oxes, it vary a lot from farm to farm. Horses are better because they are way more powerful, but when tractors arrived they were still oxes or even simple cows used to plough, and not only horses. So it's absolutely not something central. For the three years rotation, the book that I mention explain that at start people continue with the two years rotation for a while, before switching to three years rotation. It is wrote that three years rotation start during the XIII century while the farming revolution started during the XI century. During the XIV it was still the most common rotation, and it still exist during the XVII. So the two years rotation remained during several centuries even if the three year rotation was better on all points (exept on very poor soil) : less weeds, more grain on the same surface, it spreads the work on the fields, and it profit more of the manure. The book says that the traditions and laws can slow the adoption of the three year rotation, that it need to redesign the fields and redistribute them to the different families, and as long as the population hasn't grow enough to need to produce more on the same surface, it's useless. Another reason is that for the three years rotation to be better, it need to have enough livestock, and it's a very long process to increase the density of it, especially when all of excess animals are sold to new colonies so they can form they livestock. Finally, the plough by itself isn't enough, to work properly it need harrows and roller. To have enough, hay you need the great scythe, but also the wagon to transport it. Then you need stables to feed your animals with the hay and collect manure. You also need a cart to move the manure to the fields. For all of those carts, wagons, plough, harrows, and rollers, you need to have the new way to attach those to your animals without strangling them. And all of those inventions are the srict minimum to have the new system, and without one of them, either it didn't work, or it's very impractical. Funnily, the most symbolic of them, the plough, was invented before Christ, as the great scythe...

Hi there, I'm a young man with an interest in getting experinace with permaculture steading, how would one even go about doing that? I'm not asking for a big essay answer so no pressure

@@thebigree6155 Honestly a tricky question! Hmm, I might recommend starting with one of those permaculture design cert. courses- try to find a good one that isn't expensive (if it's too bougie that's a sign they don't *get* it lol), might be a good place to start. Andrew Millison on youtube has some great, great videos on all matters related to the subject, though obviously hands-on experience is better than a KZfaq download. Permaculture is a really wide catchall term for a lot of different ideologies on regenerative/sustainable land management and agriculture so if it's a big passion for you in a career type way, you can find traditional educational tracks that deal with those larger concepts as a field of study, usually to do with macrobiology (land management, agriculture, yadda yadda, I'm not well-versed with that level of education.) When it comes to getting gardening, steading, and farm experience, there's always the famous WOOFing system, just do your research and don't work for free. Researching steads, farms, and other similar operations near you is a great way to find opportunities for experience as well. Additionally, finding some old people (who aren't jackasses) who have been doing it for a long time and spending some time with them is a super good way to get access to generational experience. A healthy mix of science, personal experience, generational experience, creativity, and time in front of a blackboard will turn you into a lean, mean, gardening machine in like a couple years or so- it's a rabbit hole but it's all super interesting and the community *I've* encountered are super forthcoming and excited to share what they know. Kinda spammy and unorganized advise but maybe it'll help!

@@thebigree6155 I've tried to reply to you twice by now but unfortunately something about my advice to you keeps upsetting either the creator or the YT algorithm, I'm sorry I was very willing to lend my thoughts to you, but I tried!