Our Tech Questions to Park Tools

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4 ай бұрын

Our annual visit to the IceBike trade show where we met with Truman from ‪@parktool‬ and asked him some questions about the durability of their bleed kits, our dream new tools, and his opinions on the T47 vs BSA bottom bracket debate. We also discuss a new eCommerce business model and a quick chat with ‪@dtswiss‬ about a new aluminium aero wheel set.
Apparently internal nipples are faster...

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@user-cx2bk6pm2f 4 ай бұрын

"all our road wheels are hooked"... that's what a proper wheel company does. Well done DTSwiss.

@mtd87 4 ай бұрын

I just yesterday set up the DT Swiss wheels tubeless on a 2022 Canyon Aeroad (came with tube) - which are most definitely hookless... I'm actually dreading what that might mean down the line, now that everyone seems to be ditching the hookless rage again. Oh well...

@moorabinda 4 ай бұрын

I had a warranty claim on a Park Tool item with a lifetime warranty. Australian distributor Sheppard Cycles 👎🏽 was useless. Went straight to Park Tools USA with a Hail Mary and they came through with the goods no problem. Outstanding customer service. Love them. Buy their tools when I can. Good to see Fist in the background 🇦🇺🦘

@GNX157 4 ай бұрын

15:17 Love that jump cut at 15:17. You know some sh*t was said there, and we’ll never find out what.

@Hambini 4 ай бұрын

Paul looking shredded

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

Thank you. 🙏 8kg gone. The weight of a modern road bike. 😳

@Hambini 4 ай бұрын

I'll have to come over and we can go running!

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

@Hambini eek. I haven’t really run since 2011. Haha. Let’s do it. 😂. Kentmere horseshoe?

@rainerkunz791 4 ай бұрын

@@Mapdecgreat 👌what have you done to loose weight?

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

@@rainerkunz791 I made a vid at the start of Feb. About to film an update. Just sensible stuff, actually executed.

@robdogracing 4 ай бұрын

Thanks Truman! Good Q&A

@Rob-zf2cv 4 ай бұрын

Purchased my first mountain bike from Freewheel many years ago via catalogue. I'm not quite sure what the setup was back then, but the Madison brand was part of it too. Nice to hear that they're still going and/or have been reinvigorated after nearly forty years.

@JohnPilling25 4 ай бұрын

I recently bought a set of dtswiss wheels for my Pipedream from freewheel and they delivered to the Isle of Man - unheard of. (Yes I checked before buying because lots of online stores will not deliver to the island). And a great price too. I love park tools - yes they are expensive but well worth it.

@nebodeuk 4 ай бұрын

Great informative video (yet again). I sat in on the Freewheel seminar at ICE South, and also thought it was a good idea, and a way forward, of earning a little commission, without to much hassle. Some prices are very low from some online suppliers, even to the extent that I am waiting to hear back from Madison on a “price match” I know I won’t be getting the best deals from Madison as a mobile mechanic, but price matching, from the major trade supplier??? That’s where FREEWHEEL will make things a little better. 👍🚴😃

@Justmarcusdave 4 ай бұрын

interesting video, would like to see more of this type thanks

@stephenturner7512 3 ай бұрын

Well done to the Park Tools guy for his openness

@bernieraverty4319 4 ай бұрын

Great video…just bought an Argon 18 Dark Matter with hand built DT Swiss 350 hubs and DT Swiss 500 rims as the Argon made your list of recommended bikes! Lots of good info on this channel

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

Very nice!

@claremontinteriorsmw 4 ай бұрын

Good you mentioning about the P45, I purchased one to use on my centre lock fitting, just happened to slip once and it knackered the edge of a few teeth. Ended up buying the BBT 19.2 which is steel much better and will last a lot longer and torque it👌

@borano2031 4 ай бұрын

Do you mean P47?? At first look, I thougth to myself "Those silly small engagement cusps are made for slipping". Still can´t get over it.... Rgr

@claremontinteriorsmw 4 ай бұрын

@@borano2031 your right 47 It's gone to the bottom drawer Never to be used again

@aaronwaderides7209 4 ай бұрын

Ok Paul the biggest experience you need as a bike shop operator I think 1000% customer relationships , solving problems for them . Adapting to our bicycle market as it always changing.

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

Hell yeah. The issue we are having now is that people come to us for help, and we don’t have solution they came for in stock. So we often just point riders to a product on a website. Many will offer to pay for our time,

@smokey7930 4 ай бұрын

Bike components does something slightly similar to Madison here in Germany. Its called BC Remote and small bike shops can order anything of the bc website, usually at a 10% discount and next day delivery. Meaning you don't have to hold as much inventory.

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

Awesome. How is it working for you? Do you get much trade from it?

@thecatsonholiday5932 4 ай бұрын

Thanks Chris !

@adelebrennan4889 4 ай бұрын

Was great to meet you and your team at iceBike

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

Likewise. Good luck in 2024

@noblewulf 4 ай бұрын

Great info!

@a8f235 4 ай бұрын

About engagement of a tool for bottom bracket removal/install I recommend the Shimano TL-MH10 breaker bar because it's shaped in a way so you will easily be able to align the engagement point of the tool to the same plane as you apply force through the handle of the tool. Yes the tool is not cheap, and I still recommend it because proper tools is an investment.

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

Oh. I’ll admit I never knew that existed. Just bought one.

@chris_gb_ 4 ай бұрын

Just watched the 1000 mile later Van Rysel RCR Pro video on Cade Media, and Decathlon confirmed it will be available as a frameset only for *€2500* (£2141 directly converted at today's exchange rate.) I assume most viewers herel would love to see the RCR on the channel and given a full going over over to assess the quality? Maybe we'll get lucky and a viewer will get one and have Mapdec build it up for them?

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

When we become a bigger channel, this is the sort of thing I would just like to go and buy off the shelf and test.

@robrobinson420 4 ай бұрын

I got the 370 ratchet hubs on my bike with g540 rims and upgrade to 36t . There better quality than most at the price point. Good video 👍

@Stannystansfield 4 ай бұрын

Interesting video… BSA for the win 😀

@davemellor4697 4 ай бұрын

Got to say you are looking well trim now Paul...Love the content..

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@thomasf.9869 4 ай бұрын

I have always found smaller bike shops to be much better than big online stores like Canyon. They tend to stock and build bikes from generic parts, which makes maintenance and home mechanics a lot easier. They solicit good advice and go the extra mile to help you identify and dial in your preferences, such as working with bike fiiters. They are more expensive up front but in the long run that turns out to be a much better value proposition.

@ivanboesky1520 4 ай бұрын

Canyon is horrific. Have had several friends order bikes directly from them that came either damaged or with completely improper hacked partial assembly. Nor would I trust the quality of their frames as far as I can throw them. They are basically disposable junk framesets IMO.

@GHinWI 4 ай бұрын

@20:51…Velocity Aileron has done exactly that for some years now.

@andreemurray7039 4 ай бұрын

Sadly my local bicycle shops shut 3 years ago so do a lot on line I do miss the local shop nice to talk to someone for advice

@Leviathandk 4 ай бұрын

Yeah they can't survive on giving advice and talking... 😉

@ribblevalleycyclist 4 ай бұрын

Agreed, Paul, not the most exciting of shows. Think I spent more time getting there, than I spent at the show! One thing I thought was really interesting though, was the new dashcam/light from tooocycling, very clever.

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

Oh. I brushed over that. Not really our thing. So just one neat little unit to mount under your Garmin?

@ribblevalleycyclist 4 ай бұрын

@@Mapdec It was on the left, as soon as you went in. Yeah, exactly that, a 4k UHD camera, with a 100 lumen light. But it was such a beautifully made thing.

@steveyates2423 4 ай бұрын

I'm really showing my age here but I have a recollection of having Freewheel catalogues in the house back in the eighties - I'm sure they used to deal direct with the customer

@draugmithrin 4 ай бұрын

Just got Park Tool MLP-1.2 Master Link Pliers because the KMC ones I have only unjoin the chain. The links on my YBN/KMC 7/9 speed chains are tighter than they used to be when they could easily be used without tools.

@a8f235 4 ай бұрын

KMC have one to unjoin, and one to connect. I own both so I know. One has red handles and the other has black. Personally I do not want a tool that does both jobs, and the Park Tool one is good at disconnecting, but I notice that that connecting part is just not a primary job for it. That's exactly why I looked elsewhere and I like having purposebuilt tools because it feels right when you have to use them. The other thing is that both KMC tools are spring actuated so they spring back which I really like in tools like these so they are easier to operate one handed.

@jameshancock18 4 ай бұрын

‘BSA dub is great’😂 has he ever dealt with it 😂. Another great video Paul

@andreemurray7039 4 ай бұрын

Do the dismiss alloy wheels come in tubular rim brake

@andrewrogers4341 4 ай бұрын

I like that shirt !!!

@LaurentiusTriarius 4 ай бұрын

I have a sweet spot for wera tools, I used to see most tools as disposable I buy a lot of cheap ali stuff but were it counts it's all wera 😎

@user-cx2bk6pm2f 4 ай бұрын

These alloy DTSwiss rims look awesome... 20 mm inner width... hidden nipples. Nice.

@chris_gb_ 4 ай бұрын

Off topic question of the morning: I had a fun weekend of spokes snapping on successive commutes to my physical therapy, so I'm thinking maybe I should replace all of them now? Bike is a 2021 Giant Escape City Disc 2, maximum system weight limit of 150 kg, and I'm probably loading it up to 125 kg - 140 kg multiple times per week, so it's had ~18 months pretty hard use on the rear wheel on British countryside lanes. Do I get a rebuild with Giant spokes if I can get them? all the info I can find about the wheels is that they are a Giant GX Wheelset (28 spokes) but nothing on spoke length material or gauge. Preferably I'd get something stronger that will last longer, but what spokes would be recommended for my circumstances?

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

The GX just uses standard spokes. Any bike shop can rebuild it. However. The cost of doing so would be more expensive than buying another pair of those wheels. The hubs are poor quality too and the freehub part wears out fast. I would ask your bike shop to consider building a set of wheels for you that will take that heavy load and millage.

@chris_gb_ 4 ай бұрын

@@MapdecThanks for the answer! I would be looking at £35 + spoke cost from my LBS, maybe a touch less from a guy that does bike fits and servicing independently. Unfortunately I am broke, so need to keep costs to the minimum but I will ask for the cost of a suitable new wheel. Can't really complain too much though, paid £550 new for the Escape in 2022, so with the covid pricing being what it was I think I did reasonably well.

@trekkeruss 3 ай бұрын

I wish Park made a screw-type bearing extractor. Their current SHX-1 is slow to use and crude.

@Sirmellowman 4 ай бұрын

I went to freewheel to order something and it was marked up like 90% in price of regular....im all for supporting local shops but thats just crazy

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

Interesting. Something to look out for.

@markhodgkins9593 4 ай бұрын

Ooof! The sound quality not so great but content was fantastic!

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

It’s a noisy public show with small travel mics. We did our best.

@pminiger9278 4 ай бұрын

Bike and component manufactures need to address these issues prior to them be sold to the consumer . Frames need to have bottom brackets that are within tolerances or have a proper BSA thread-style interface. Disc brakes need to easy to adjust and bled by the consumer in under .5 hour. They also need to operate silently. Tubeless tires and wheel combinations should be easy to install and remove as needed. These issues shouldn't be left to the bike shop and consumer to analyze and repair on the back end. The objective should be for cyclist to ride more and fix their bikes less. Thank you to Park for making high quality professional bike tools and having great customer service!

@neilbathe7752 4 ай бұрын

I agree with everything you have said, but where is the benefit to the manufacturer to do this? They get to throw things together with poor QC and sell for premium prices, that often exceed the price of a motorbike (inherently more complex and more involved). A manufacturers "objective" is to make money, not make an ever-lasting, easy to maintain bike - unless forced to by some competition...

@paulsymons562 4 ай бұрын

freewheel has been around for a while now - I've bought a fair bit of stuff through them with no issues

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

Good to know.

@user-cx2bk6pm2f 4 ай бұрын

Park Tool are legend. The Mustache and the Beard 😀👍

@neilbathe7752 4 ай бұрын

I see the cure time question never got answered, other than "thicker takes longer"...

@trumanpurdy9495 4 ай бұрын

I guess the point here was, the larger the gap the longer it will take. If you are dealing with a decently tolerenced system it will dry as the air is removed from the joint. It is an anerobic compound that dries with the lack of air. If filling a larger gap it will take longer as it needs to dry from the inside out. RC-1 is a 0.5mm gap fill and not a 0.05mm gap fill is another note on this topic.

@richardguggemos6336 4 ай бұрын

If you get the chance you should interview Abbey tools

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

Maybe one day.

@greybeard4034 4 ай бұрын

idk what your experience is with park tool, but in comparison with Bahco the metal used for example in the adjustable wrench feels soft and dents quickly. I got a 2nd one in warranty with the text, only use this tool on well maintained/ not to tight bolts.. i am thinking wtf. like I choose the maintenance history of a bike lol. It needs to do all jobs i throw at it. Anyways, i use loads of other park tool tools with a smile and i stay a customer. But i have a feeling the quality is somewhat overrated.

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

They make good enough consumer tools. Their pro tools line up has some very good competitors now.

@GNX157 4 ай бұрын

If park tool was really innovative, they’d make a simple bleeder with a built in check valve like Motion Pro mini brake bleeder, made for MX bikes. It’s simple and allows easy one person bleeding. But no, you get the complicated and expensive kits from park tool because “that’s what the manufacturer recommends”, or whatever excuse.

@avocette 4 ай бұрын

I just don't see the purpose of inboard T47s if outboard BSAs work fine. I hope we just stick with outboard T47

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

Outboard BSA to dub and 30mm leaves a very small amount of material to hold a bearing. We see these crack. I will try and film it next time. Inboard bearings put all the support closer to the point of load, and give frames designers and welders much more material to work with to make the area stiff and strong. Did you see the Emonda ALR vid?

@avocette 4 ай бұрын

@@Mapdec Ah, pardon me for my lack of clarity. Yes, I too understood that while BSA standard works fine with 24mm spindles, they don't work quite well with larger ones. I just don't understand why inboard T47s are becoming a thing when outboard variants have better tool purchase and BSA 24 has enough material to sustain load (I assume outboard T47 will have the same rigidity given the enlarged diameter). I especially liked Hambini's take on the T47: with outboard bearings on a 68-73mm shell width, like a radially upscaled BSA.

@universe-juice 4 ай бұрын

I cant have nice items mailed to my house any more. I just go to a shop.

@carl90210 4 ай бұрын

If it ain’t ParkTool, it ain’t in my toolbox.

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

Oh. But there is a wealth of excellent tools out there. Cyclus, Wera, PB Swiss, Wira, Knipex,

@AG17_1 4 ай бұрын

And good luck getting some tools from Madison. I've given up trying with multiple tools and gone to other brands. And to echo what Paul said above, screwdrivers from Wera or PB Swiss are significantly better than Park ones, any type of Knipex pliers are significantly better than Park ones. In both examples above, I'm saying better in terms of fit, tollerance longevity and quality. Park do make some very good workstands but apart from that there is not much blue in my workshop.

@Ivan-oh6ug 4 ай бұрын

Only Park tools if it has to be! Park tools are mediocre at best. For non bike specific tools there are far better tool manufacturers out there.

@tonysadler5290 4 ай бұрын

Direct sales have ruined the market because local bike shops have closed and all that accumulated servicing knowledge has become more scarce and importantly the feed back to manufacturing has not benefited.

@jamesmincher3435 4 ай бұрын

Like 500

@seitenryu6844 4 ай бұрын

Aluminum wheels for most riders. The carbon wheels with clone hubs are garbage. The nonsense I can't stand are the claims that deep carbon wheels are more comfortable. They're not, that's not how rims work, and typical riders don't need to splash out like that. Can we all agree to stop calling tires width+c? Just call it out in millimeters, the C means nothing these days, and it never meant centimeters or metric.

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

Who is advertising deeper as more comfortable? I can’t say I’ve come across that claim. Carbon can give you more depth for less weight penalty for aero aerodynamics. They can also give you more width for less penalty that enables a much wider tyre. They can also be much stiffer, but many of them aren’t.

@jeremynorth 4 ай бұрын

Park tools are quite good and very comprehensive but they are well over priced

@user-cx2bk6pm2f 4 ай бұрын

When people buy Canyon bikes, they do so because Canyon are great bikes and you get good value for money. But take your Canyon into any bike shop and you will be demonized and refused service. This is appalling behavior and a shame on all shops. Such shops reveal themselves as having no true care for the cycling community and no care for customers trying to spend wisely.. their sole concern is making a profit on you. Why would anyone support a shop like this ??

@Mapdec 4 ай бұрын

True.

@speedy1490 4 ай бұрын

Well, its mainly because Canyon has somewhat suboptimal tollerances/qc in frame manufacturing, their love for Press Fit even on Aluminium frames and combining that with weird Rotor Cranks. And then most Canyon or Cube owning customers, if they need to spend like 350€ including work on a new drivetrain say: "I could almost buy a new Bike for that".

@user-cx2bk6pm2f 4 ай бұрын

@@speedy1490 If you're telling me Canyon has systemic problems with QC, you are unaware or lying.

@rcg9573 4 ай бұрын

@@user-cx2bk6pm2f Yeah, they actually do. LOL

@user-cx2bk6pm2f 4 ай бұрын

@@rcg9573 Naw, they truly don't. LOL