Marika's Full Backstory Explained (Elden Ring DLC Lore)

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Queen Marika has been the face of Elden Ring since the base game - and little has changed with the DLC's release, Shadow of the Erdtree. In fact, we found so much more backstory for Marika that I just had to do an entire video on it. Enjoy.
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00:00 - Intro!
02:08 - Chapter 1
06:05 - Chapter 2
14:39 - Chapter 3
21:17 - Chapter 4

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@BanditGames
@BanditGames 25 күн бұрын
Fun fact: in old English, "sc" was pronounced like "sh", so the "Scadutree" is pronounced like "Shadutree". IfI'mwrongplzbenicetome
@segaherman_twitch
@segaherman_twitch 25 күн бұрын
This is cool
@Tina93_
@Tina93_ 25 күн бұрын
I hear other reviewers read it that way. Love your vid. Interesting theory about Messmer’s potential father. I was only thinking that it might me Radagon as well.
@formatomi
@formatomi 25 күн бұрын
I know the general consensus is to call it shadowtree/shadowfragment now but we dont call the Haligtree Holytree or the Erdtree Earthtree, its evident scadu is from the word shadow but im not fully convinced we have to spell it like that too
@DirtyMike124x
@DirtyMike124x 25 күн бұрын
@@formatomi right there with you🛡🛡🛡
@Prince_Sidon
@Prince_Sidon 25 күн бұрын
You're actually right.
@arkcantoscreampsnpc7274
@arkcantoscreampsnpc7274 25 күн бұрын
I’ve always felt a lot of marika’s actions in the base game felt weird for a god like being, but finding out she basically entered a slave contract with the greater will in exchange for the safety of her loved ones (getting rid of death) after her people were slaughtered changes a lot. It makes her going 0-100 immediately on her sons death make a lot more sense. She basically viewed the greater will as having lied to her and betrayed her by letting him die
@abdieljove2011
@abdieljove2011 25 күн бұрын
DLC literally confirms the Greater Will has nothing to do with…almost anything and people out here still don’t get it lol Not trying to be a smartass. I’m not even talking about you in particular. Just…in general. Do every quest, people. The Greater Will sent down Metyr the Mother of Fingers, sent down the Elden Beast, then effed off after having sent the means to ensure order. We know this was as early as the era of the dragons. It’s been long gone by the time of Marika. Metyr went insane after being unable to contact the Greater Will for ages. She was the one speaking to the fingers in the Greater Will’s stead. And she guided Marika. Likely trying to impose order so the Greater Will came back. We can even say the Golden Order is the…combination of that. Marika’s first incantation (forgot the actual name) is described as having only the kindness of Gold, without the Order. Marika must have made a deal with Metyr and was guided by the fingers to achieve godhood, only for it to be too late to help her people after she ascended. So she instead turns to vengeance on the Hornsent and anything Crucible related, while trying to create a world of order and boundless life where she’ll never lose anything again, only to go mad once Godwyn dies.
@McDudes
@McDudes 25 күн бұрын
@@abdieljove2011 Also I think Metyr imprissoned Marika after she removed the rune of death. But that would imply that Metyr and the Elden Beast was working together? 🤔 Another think I find interesting is how the hell is Melina pro two fingers? She must not know that Metyr lost contact with the greater will? While Ranni seems to have figured it out already.
@abdieljove2011
@abdieljove2011 25 күн бұрын
@@McDudes I see Metyr and the Elden Bessts as on the same side, yeah. Well, kinda? They’re both shooting stars sent down by the Greater Will to impose order. I’m not sure the Elden Beast is even sentient though. It’s just the living form of the Elden Ring and a physical embodiment of Order. The ring has no agenda beyond order. Its rightful owner can alter it to create their own laws of nature. I think the Elden Beast was just defending itself since Marika shattered the ring lol As for Melina, she’s a mystery. Ecen her connections to the Gloam Eyed Queen make her a real head scratcher since she’s Marika’s daughter and Mesmer’s sister. I hope we dig up more on her somewhere. That said, I think she’s more…anti Frenzied Flame than anything lol
@McDudes
@McDudes 25 күн бұрын
@@abdieljove2011 Yeah she's for sure anti Frenzied Flame. If anything it seems she's supporting Marika in helping us kill her and free her I guess. But well we end up killing Radagon instead 🤔
@arkcantoscreampsnpc7274
@arkcantoscreampsnpc7274 24 күн бұрын
@@abdieljove2011 you are talking about dlc lore but ignoring base game lore to make assumptions. Both dlc and base game lore work together to make the true lore, and in the base game it is states that marika has a deal with “the greater will” not its agent, the being itself. So while it’s true that contact was cut off at some point marika clearly interacted with them at least once. We also are given no timeframes for the shattering war or the shadow wars, it could have happened the day before the tarnished awakened or 2 centuries, we don’t know. So you can’t assume things about timeframe in this game outside of extremely general timeframes
@mt2r-music
@mt2r-music 25 күн бұрын
I just realized that the omen are being treated the way they are due to Marikas history with the horsent. This whole chapter 4 part is stunning. Using her tormentors own power to achieve godhood, bathing her new world in light while condemning the hornsents world in shadow and then stealing the rune of death to make them suffer eternally by her own sons hand, thus creating the curse of the omen. Although I still don’t get how she achieved godhood to begin with. Why weren’t the hornsents able to do that themselves but a random shaman was? Did it have to do something with the two fingers helping her?
@mt2r-music
@mt2r-music 25 күн бұрын
I also wonder why the area the Shaman Village is located in is called ”Hinterland“. Why is it in German? I’m a German myself so is it one of those situations where it’s just a word the English language decided to use for itself like with Kindergarten for example? Or does it have lore significance?
@plebmcpleb5761
@plebmcpleb5761 25 күн бұрын
​@@mt2r-music It's a loan word the English language uses!
@mt2r-music
@mt2r-music 25 күн бұрын
@@plebmcpleb5761thanks!
@sirnonsense5033
@sirnonsense5033 25 күн бұрын
First of its not just the hornsend I think its also the serpent. In the trailer we see her with a serpent armband. Just like er having 2-3 children connected to them like she has 2 omens. I think the serpent is an aspect ( or born) of the crucible as the immortal serpent tries to eat the gods and the world to make all one again. As for why se ended it all? Loosing the villiage damaged her ( in Trauma). Yes she took revenge but her past catched up to her. Her children became what she wanted to run away from. She had to even abandon them or rip their eyes out. Lastly she wanted to create a world in which she didnt have to loose anyone anymore which is why she sealed death. But even that didnt work out for her. Her first Husband lost his Grace making him Banished and her only Perfect Son died even with all she did to make it impossible. She completly lost Faith in the Order and in the Greater will likely. She probably didnt want to end it all she just wanted to end herself. Im not sure what Rabadons part is in all tat but he seemed to use and push her to godhood cuz he wanted it himself.
@CodexisInkwind
@CodexisInkwind 25 күн бұрын
So my working theory on why it didn't work for the hornsent is that the crucible is just a raw power source with no outer God attached to it. This is dependent on the Hornsent having made the divine gate in the first place which is also questionable. But, if the crucible has no outer God attached, then there was no active force to elevate them the way the Greater Will elevated Marika to God hood via the gate and the fingers. Also, an interesting detail that leans more into it being solely due to the greater will, the divine gate takes the shape of the uppermost rune of the Elden Ring. The part that looks like crucifix made of a rune arch on top with a line straight down. It is the shape Marika is literally mimicking in her prison state when we come to her, and it is the void space making up the divine gate. The straight line up with the arch on top.
@aranthur
@aranthur 25 күн бұрын
I think it's possible the hornsent would have raised one of their own to godhood, if not for Marika's intervention. The old woman in Belurat is referred to in one item description as the "Empyrean grandam," which at the very least means the towerfolk knew about Empyreans and this lady was in charge of finding and/or training them So I have a theory that in that moment with Marika in the trailer the hornsent were one step away from successfully creating a god of the Crucible. They'd constructed the Divine Gate, they had the primordial gold that would become the Elden Ring, and they had an Empyrean... And then Marika, who had been pretending to be their ally up until this point, killed that person, stole the Elden Ring, and ascended to godhood herself "The seduction and the betrayal"
@oliverlarosa8046
@oliverlarosa8046 23 күн бұрын
Now *that* is an interesting thought. It would explain why the Divine Gate appears to be freshly built when Marika uses it, at least
@Almoniification
@Almoniification 22 күн бұрын
In shadowkeep there's a statue of woman with a horned head, looking exactly like Marika, crucified in the exact same way as Marika in the final fight cutscene. I think hornsent actually did succesfully create a god of Crucible, mixing a saint with Elden Beast and maybe couple dozens of other losers. Problem is, their god hated them.
@garretthaskett6384
@garretthaskett6384 22 күн бұрын
Would explain the god-skin like material that she reaches in and grabs the great runes from.
@Orthanderis
@Orthanderis 22 күн бұрын
Marikas people were being stuffed into Jars at bonny village, mixing with criminals. The whole point of doing that was to meld and graft them into saints. I think Marika stole the ritual because she was the saint that succeeded, and she had an accord with the Greater Will, which the hornsent didn't. Here's the things though; Marika prayed to the Grandmother at her village, who looks remarkably like the statues of Marika throughout the game. I'm willing to bet that Marika succeeded in the melding, was supposed to replace the current God, but decided to abandon and later destroy the Hornsent for what they did to her. You have to remember, this was the entire reason her people existed as far as the hornsent were concerned. The hornsent saw all of them as slaves to torture, slaughter, and meld together in the creation of saints
@mahrkoudings3502
@mahrkoudings3502 22 күн бұрын
Yeah I think so too, they used the Shamans and their powers of spiritually merging people into one as a sacrifice or catalyst to make possible the ascension to godhood of one of their own. Marika cooperated with them for a while, maybe against her will, maybe she was even put in a jar herself, but in the last second, so to speak, she took divinity for her own. So she pretty much reached godhood at the cost of sacrificing her entire own race of people, which could be described as her "original sin". Which she tried to hide by having Messmer wipe out the hornsent and by hiding the lands of shadows behind the veil. That's my personal head canon at this point at least.
@Fragmentsinfractals488
@Fragmentsinfractals488 25 күн бұрын
I feel that Radagon and Marika are like St. Trina and Miquella. Like St. Trina is Miquella's "Love". So, Radragon is an aspect of Marika broken off so she could become a God. But everything eventually will move to recombined back together. So, when Radragon merges back, He will become the God Marika became by losing him.
@pilebunker420
@pilebunker420 25 күн бұрын
I think they are 2 different shamans that melded and/or unmelded. The symbols in the forehead of the jar people are very similar to radagon's and marika's seal overlapped. Marika also has some words of "defiance" for Radagon in the base game about "you're not yet me" or something similar
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 25 күн бұрын
@@pilebunker420the Japanese word for the shamans is “shrine maidan” and it’s heavily implied they are a matriarchal society. So there might not be male shamans.
@Fragmentsinfractals488
@Fragmentsinfractals488 25 күн бұрын
@@pilebunker420 Remember when Aspects are removed to "become God" , they become "Separate Persons" . See St.Trina wanting Miquella to be ended. Which means Radragon can act opposed to Marika and still be of the same Essence.
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 25 күн бұрын
It’s definitely possible but that wouldn’t explain why Radagon can have children with Marika. You can explain Radagon and Rennala’s children yMarika just using Radagon’s body to marry Renala. But it would be a bit weird if she could have children with herself… but then again Millicent’s quest line shows that creating some kind of clone/off shoot of another person without parents is possible in Elden ring. Perhaps there is something special about Radagon and Marika’s children specifically (Malenia, Miquella, Melina, Mesmer)
@Fragmentsinfractals488
@Fragmentsinfractals488 25 күн бұрын
@@donovan4222 Oh, They are separate persons and when Aspects are removed, they have separate Bodies. So, no trouble there. One becomes Two, later becomes One again. They just have the Same Soul Essence.
@eddyh5
@eddyh5 24 күн бұрын
To me, the dlc explains to us that Radagon is Marika's divested self through the journey of Miquella.
@garethlawton5278
@garethlawton5278 14 күн бұрын
It actually explains it the other way. Marika didn't divest herself of anything to become a god. Miquella only did that so he could become a god without any taint of the old golden order which his body and other selves were full of. He had to get rid of them or the Greater Will would still be ruling in his name even if he attained Godhood as "Miqella the gold". The shedding of Trina and his body was not something Marika herself did. She had no need to. She wanted an order led by the greater will, up until she didn't. But she was already a god by then. Miquella from the start had no trust in the greater will, so he got rid of all his greater will products before godhood. which was basically all of him.
@MrTrancelator
@MrTrancelator 14 күн бұрын
I think it is more likely that Radagon was grafted into Marika's body. That is what Melina's recital of Marika's words suggests: "O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order. Thou'rt yet to become me. Thou'rt yet to become a god. Let us be shattered, both. Mine other self." "Let us be shattered" must refer to the process of mutilating their bodies and allowing their limbs, torsos, etc. fuse together the same way as the jars were created by the Hornsent.
@justsomeotherguywithamusta6810
@justsomeotherguywithamusta6810 5 күн бұрын
​@MrTrancelator i agree too, except the shattered part. For me that's her durect indirect way of her telling radagon in his face what she's planning. The black knives were her assassins. They were numen with close connections with marika herself. This heavily enforces the fact she planned with ranni. I think maliketh remambrance states she betrayed him which most certainly alludes to the the betrayal that is the night of the black knives. Marika even burned melina to prepare her to be kindling (bernhal maiden cut dialogue).
@VictorIV0310
@VictorIV0310 25 күн бұрын
On a related note, The design of the furnace golems seems to be a sort of twisted karmic retribution towards the Hornsent approved by Messmer and Marika. The shamans were mutilated, then stuffed into jars to become saints by the Hornsent so in response, Marika orders her son Messmer to wage a brutal, genocidal war against the Land of Shadow with his most prominent war machine being the massive furnace golems where the Hornsent themselves are rounded up in droves, dead or alive (but most likely still alive for extra cruelty), to be stuffed in the golems and lit aflame to bring it to life. Imagine the screams and howls of terror and agony and the smell of burning flesh as the golem surges to life; An instrument of death’s first gasps of “life” brought forth by the deaths of so many within its frame to serve as fuel for the golem as it marches over the land as an instrument of terror, destruction and mockery as it wears the horned mask of the fell god of fire the Hornsent so feared.
@Zhiham_
@Zhiham_ 25 күн бұрын
Ah the parallels!!! Great analogy!
@Mr.Rendo1
@Mr.Rendo1 23 күн бұрын
The golem even bears the faces of dead giants likely killed by messmer himself mayhaps what horrific cruelty
@VictorIV0310
@VictorIV0310 23 күн бұрын
⁠​⁠@@Mr.Rendo1Not necessarily the actual faces of dead giants that they sliced off but rather crude effigies with their hair. The hair may be the only part of the giants that is real on it.
@Mr.Rendo1
@Mr.Rendo1 20 күн бұрын
@@VictorIV0310 still from dead giants most likely lol
@thatguyturningwrenches
@thatguyturningwrenches 24 күн бұрын
Just a theory, but considering that Melina is messmers little sister. Notice how his right eye has the seal, Melina has a birds foot (death bird) tattoo over her left eye. Maybe confirming that her curse was to be inhabited by a death bird queen. The gloam eyed queen.
@justsomeotherguywithamusta6810
@justsomeotherguywithamusta6810 5 күн бұрын
That might be true. Melina is not the gloam eyed queen but a prison for her. Melina is extremely important hhhh. She's the reason marika killed the fire giants, as she bore a vision of fire a prophecy that one day the erdtree will burn bumy fell god fire, and so marika extinguished that possibilty. But later on she understood, she agreed with melina. She burned her to prepare her to be kindling, and set up the pieces for the end of all of this. She conspired with Ranni and betrayed maliketh (the black knives are numen "with close ties to marika herself," basically confirming they are her assassin ms)
@aranthur
@aranthur 25 күн бұрын
My Crucible theory: The tower folk alternately describe it as a spiral, a pair of twin trees, and also as a current that reaches up toward the heavens... But that last one at least is not a new concept to us. We've seen plenty of currents shooting up toward the heavens both in the DLC and in the base game. The spirit springs I think that in the place where the Erdtree is now, there used to be a massive spirit spring that rose up in two streams spiraling around each other, most likely taking with them a great fountain of water since the Erdtree's roots are right above the source of the two underground rivers. Perhaps these waters even at one point had healing abilities similar to the sap of the Erdtree, before Marika transformed this fountain of life into a tree of life Her biggest mistake was separating the two trees, because she wanted a world of order and light, without chaos and shadow. The Erdtree and Scadutree SHOULD have been together, twined around each other like a spiral and in balance with one another But that aside, if the Crucible is a miraculous spirit stream where all life is blended together, where does its power come from? From spirits of course. We learn from the Suppressing Pillar that when the Lands Between and the Land of Shadow were one, it was a place where all forms of death "washed ashore." It was a place where all the world's dead were inexorably drawn, where their spirits would gather and blend in a single great melting pot, a crucible you might say, and then eventually burst up from the ground and bring new life to the world Death was the source of the Crucible's life, and this might explain why the sap of the Erdtree dried up so quickly after Marika sealed the Rune of Death
@FeelTehPOWA
@FeelTehPOWA 24 күн бұрын
that's a really interesting theory adding to that what are your thoughts on the Gloam Eyed Queen and Death?
@ssscpg22
@ssscpg22 24 күн бұрын
Oh that could also be why Melina says the world needs Destined Death (rune of death)
@aranthur
@aranthur 24 күн бұрын
@@FeelTehPOWA I think I need more evidence to come up with a theory I'd feel confident in, but one potential explanation is that the GEQ is very similar to Messmer or the Omen twins Marika suppresses the flame of the Fell God, and she has a child born with the flame inside him. She seals him away in the Land of Shadow, and then we start getting people like Corrin and that one starting class, mortals loyal to the Erdtree but who have prophetic visions of it burning and are able to use forbidden fire incantations Marika tries to suppress the Crucible and anything to do with horns, and she has two children with an overwhelming amount of horns and power in their blood. She seals them away beneath the capital, and the "Omen curse" begins spreading all throughout the kingdom Perhaps after suppressing death, Marika had a child born with the ghostflame and/or god-killing black flame inside her, and like Messmer she found a use for her for a while, hunting down opposing gods, until Marika eventually became too afraid of her power and sealed her and the Rune of Death away as well, eventually leading to the spread of deathroot and Those Who Live in Death As much as Marika would have liked, these concepts and forces refuse to be removed from the world for long, always finding some form through which to reenter the Lands Between. And death very well could be one of them
@fishspoons
@fishspoons 19 күн бұрын
I personally think that there was just a large material tree where the Erdtree now stands, one fed by the waters as you describe. Otherwise I think you're bang on the money. My addition: all ages prior to Marika are "unbound" in that all elements that Marika would go on to suppress are in play. It is essentially nature as we understand it, represented metaphysically. In this world, being Elden Lord was essentially pledging yourself to this natural process. It might grant you power, sure, but it doesn't let you change the fundamentals. You are fundamentally under the sway of a darwinistic natural order. Marika would therefore be the first God as we understand it, with God before being nothing but a force. She decimates the old tree, leaving nothing but the stump and the roots, and fuses herself to the force at its core, and makes use of the connection, the "grace" that is transmitted to her via the Fingers from a totalitarian alien entity that seeks absolute control, to sever all the rules of nature that she finds repellent. This is why grace can be seen by us in streams in the air and why the Fingers stand tall and stock still: they are antenna for instructions and will. And that is why the Erdtree is semi-transparent: it is a projected manifestation, emanating the rules out across the land. Marika is the tree now.
@VictorIV0310
@VictorIV0310 25 күн бұрын
I wonder if that specific Hornsent who said these cruel words to the shamans in Bonny Village lived long enough to be subject to similar cruelties by Messmer’s crusaders when they invaded. I don’t know how long Hornsent lived but assuming he lived to see the crusade take place, I can only imagine it shifting from him whipping shamans with tooth whips and shoving them in jars like it's an ordinary day to him being captured by the crusaders before enduring days of being beaten and branded by serpent flails while being yelled at with slurs and obscenities by them such as being “Graceless scum” who’s only purpose is to be hunted, dehorned, impaled and burned before being forced to march alongside fellow Hornsent who’ve been rounded up, beaten, branded and dehorned to a furnace golem that has yet to come to life. As the Hornsent are being pushed and crammed inside the golem to the point where’s it’s getting hard to breathe, they are given a speech by a Black Knight captain who says that though they are graceless vermin with no place in the order, their lives will at least serve one purpose: as kindling for their holy crusade. The Hornsent suddenly reminisces on those shamans back in Bonny Village and realizes that he has become a victim to the same cruelties he inflicted on them. However, he has no time to think of his current predicament as the crusaders set the golem aflame and the screams of countless Hornsent and the stench of their burning flesh fill the air as the golem comes to life. So ends the life of one Hornsent among thousands, now used to fuel a lifeless machine of death and murder as it marches onto the battlefield. And so, the crusade continues.
@wojciechmazurk5468
@wojciechmazurk5468 25 күн бұрын
Based. Its shame not all Hornsent were killed , there are still some in land of shadow or Bonny village
@richardrussel4567
@richardrussel4567 25 күн бұрын
Sounds like you wrote this with one hand.
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 25 күн бұрын
@@wojciechmazurk5468You realize that Hornsent also threw there own people in the jars and many of them had nothing to do with what happened to Marika?
@L_Zant
@L_Zant 24 күн бұрын
Wow everyone come look at the freak type out dumb crap. Wtf dude get therapy.
@Epistolary8
@Epistolary8 24 күн бұрын
I too, enjoy reading torture porn.
@plebmcpleb5761
@plebmcpleb5761 25 күн бұрын
The shape of the Divine Gate is very reminiscent of a crucible. If you look at the negative space, it looks like light being poured out of a bowl of some kind... Or metal being poured out of a crucible.
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 25 күн бұрын
It looks a lot like the entrance to the erdtree in Leyndell
@gunnarrobinson5554
@gunnarrobinson5554 23 күн бұрын
It also looks like marikas seal. What could this imply???
@Gilgamoth
@Gilgamoth 22 күн бұрын
Two fingers as well
@player_name_here
@player_name_here 17 күн бұрын
It's also like the thing behind Gaius.
@jungtothehuimang
@jungtothehuimang 25 күн бұрын
Knowing that she was a Shaman and that Shaman's bodies meld together with the bodies of others, it makes sense that Radagon was his own person but became part of her, whether by choice or not
@jakemoore5077
@jakemoore5077 25 күн бұрын
It's implied radagon is an aspect of marika. When she became a god, I assume she did what miquilla did to st trina and cast that part of herself away. Who knows what part of her made radagon but for st trina it was miquillas love
@curryquipique6098
@curryquipique6098 25 күн бұрын
It also explains why her children are so easily cursed and possessed by outer gods.
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 25 күн бұрын
@@jakemoore5077 The problem with that theory is Radagon is still with Marika when we find them in the final boss fight, it’s stated he tried to repair the Elden ring and stop Marika from shattering it. So he wasn’t discarded it seems. Also, Radagon is able to have children with both Marika and other people, so he seems like more than just a discarded part of Marika to me, but could be wrong. He seems to have opposite views on the golden order to Marika, where Marika wants to destroy the order, shatter the ring, and have a new Elden lord, while Radagon wants to preserve the order and seals themselves inside the erdtree.
@Fragmentsinfractals488
@Fragmentsinfractals488 25 күн бұрын
​@@donovan4222 Remember St. Trina wants Miquella to be ended and not become a God, while Miquella wants the opposite. It is also implied by the Law of Regression that all urge to come back to One. So, Marika cast Radragon apart to become a God, but she wants to make all her Aspects God. So, she drew him back.
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 25 күн бұрын
⁠@@Fragmentsinfractals488True St. Trina also has opposite goals to Miuella, I think you may be right…the Radagon/Marika were always the same person theory continues to look more and more plausible imo. I still don’t fully understand them having children though. I’m torn because Mesmer seems to be clearly Radagon’s son, but for the timeline to work this would mean Marika would have had to met Radagon way earlier, likely before Godfrey. So it suggests that they were always together, but doesn’t explain how you can have a kid with yourself.
@alliesangalli1757
@alliesangalli1757 25 күн бұрын
I don't think the Hornsent created the Gate of Divinity. In the story trailer, the bodies of the Gate are still fresh as Marika walks through them. It makes more sense to me that this was Marika's "original sin", as they call it. She used the sacrifice of countless Hornsent to rise to godhood.
@titanscerw
@titanscerw 23 күн бұрын
Perfect use for race of genocidal massmurdering maniacs in my book ...
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 23 күн бұрын
@@alliesangalli1757 If you look closely at the story trailer, you can see those strands of runes she is holding up are connected to all the bodies around the divinity gate. So yeah she is clearly using them as some kind of sacrifice.
@demonintellect9834
@demonintellect9834 21 күн бұрын
Personally I think she was with Godfrey at the time. Everyone needs a King Consort. There is a Crucible Knight in the Lands of Shadow and he and his knights both used the power of the Crucible. Also the could be the seduction and betrayal she eventually cast him aside and took his grace.
@RRed19
@RRed19 21 күн бұрын
TLDR: Marika pulled a Griffith from Berserk, sacrificing everyone to become a god.
@jameskelley2125
@jameskelley2125 15 күн бұрын
⁠@@RRed19It all come back to berserk
@radicalautism5696
@radicalautism5696 24 күн бұрын
I think Marikas seduction and betrayal is related to whoever the father of Melina and Messmer was.
@justsomeotherguywithamusta6810
@justsomeotherguywithamusta6810 5 күн бұрын
It's radagon. It's pretty obvious. Radagon's theme plays subtly at mesmer's boss fight. He has red hair. He's cursed like malenia and miquella. His name starts with M like miquella and malenia.
@matthewmyers4831
@matthewmyers4831 25 күн бұрын
I love when there are spoiler warnings in Fromsoft game videos as if anyone thinks they’d be able to figure the lore out by themselves in game 😂
@zachariahsmith9130
@zachariahsmith9130 22 күн бұрын
Def way off base on a lot of things
@ThomTheBear
@ThomTheBear 14 күн бұрын
OH GOD NO !!!! I DIDNT KNOW THE FINAL BOSS IN THE DLC WAS ZANZIBAR OF THE GOONMOON !!!!
@SuperLOLABC
@SuperLOLABC 24 күн бұрын
Since we know the Jars can create a meshed personality of sorts, I think it is possible that "Marika" is a successful saint of the shaman jars. That is the reason she became an Empyrean and was able to rise to godhood. Radagon can be a second "personality" created by the Jars who embodies order and honour. Also there are mentions of Marika betraying the Hornsent. Maybe the Saint Marika was prayed to by the hornsent and she used her status as a saint to raise an army somehow and then turned on the Hornsent for revenge. Later she went on to become a God after being contacted by the Greater Will/Two Fingers. Also its pretty much confirmed that Messmer is son of Radagon and MArika due to the red hair
@rumorcontrol7873
@rumorcontrol7873 25 күн бұрын
I don't think that Marika wed herself to Godfry until well after she had become a God and it was this mysterious Serpent entity who keeps popping up that was her original Lord Consort as she became a god
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 25 күн бұрын
Isn’t Godfrey defeating the giants what allowed Marika to create the erdtree? Not disagreeing but she must of met Godfrey pretty early,
@liarwithagun
@liarwithagun 24 күн бұрын
​@donovan4222 No, she 8nvades the giant because they ha e the power to burn the Erdtree, which already existed by that point.
@ittorasetsuxx8077
@ittorasetsuxx8077 24 күн бұрын
@@donovan4222she created the erdtree when she became god
@FeelTehPOWA
@FeelTehPOWA 24 күн бұрын
i agree! except i theorize that before she became a god she became a saint (through following the hornsent until she reaches the gate) and consort to the snake. I believe thats maybe when she betrayed everyone, kills the snake and robs its grace or godhood (? sometimes i think maybe she used Radagon as consort bait
@rumorcontrol7873
@rumorcontrol7873 24 күн бұрын
@@FeelTehPOWA It seems likely that Marika instead turned the whips against her captors before she could be stuffed into the jar herself and Radagon is likely the part of herself that craved an Ordered life while Marika craved a Golden one. I'm interested to know when Marika learned she could create a child with herself via Radagon? Because the story suggests it was Just before Radagon and Renalla's unnamed 4th child was born, but then where did Messmer and Melina come from? I think they might be the children of this first serpentine union and Messmer more resembles his father the Blasphemous Serpent who Rykard ended up adopting as his family. It makes sense because there is a giant shed serpent skin in Marika's home village that has the same model as the on in Rykards castle.
@GTD_Galatea
@GTD_Galatea 24 күн бұрын
There's a theory which states that the Land of Shadow and the Lands-Between were once part of the same landmass, but became separated due to Marika sealing the Land of Shadow after ascending to godhood. This theory also states that Leyndell was once connected to the ancient ruins of Rauth by a massive bridge which started at the divine bridge in the southwestern part of the city.
@ScreamingSnipe9
@ScreamingSnipe9 24 күн бұрын
Where can we find this theory? I would like to hear more about it!
@markiefoo
@markiefoo 23 күн бұрын
Also the suppressing pillar is said to be at the centre of lands between
@lavishlyvice
@lavishlyvice 17 күн бұрын
To add on to that: When you overlap the SotE map with the base game map, the little tree Marika planted in Hinterland also lines up with the Erdtree. And the upper edge of the SotE map (ruins of Rauh) slots almost perfectly into the southern edge of the Altus Plateu/Leyendell where it's breaking off into the ocean.
@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962
@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962 24 күн бұрын
I was of a mind that Radagon was a mimic tear, but now I think he is Marika's discarded Faith in the GW, much like how St Trina is Miquella's discarded Love. This might be why she calls him "leal hound of the GO" and why she gives a speech speaking of no longer relying on "blind faith" in their future.
@garethlawton5278
@garethlawton5278 14 күн бұрын
Miquella had to discard his body and other self because he was Golden Order made. Marika was not, she didn't need to do this because she wanted a godhood of the Golden Order (Greater Will). Miquella wanted a new order, it's why he divested himself of all things Golden... Marika had no intention of this, she wouldn't have done the same. It is not a required step to becoming a god, it was just a step Miquella took to ensure there was no Greater Will involved in his godhood (which is what ruined Marikas because the fingers are broken).
@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962
@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962 14 күн бұрын
@@garethlawton5278 she calls Radagon her "other self". St Trina is Miquella's other self, too. Hence the androgyny. They are each the Rebis of their distinct Orders. Whether or not it was crucial to discard all or only part of their bodies has no bearing, especially since St Trina is Miquella's Love, not a part of his body, but his other self, just as Radagon is part of Marika without necessarily being part of her body. There is a big difference here.
@SolidShepard
@SolidShepard 25 күн бұрын
Imagine if Rani had just chosen someone else, like Mohg
@ZacharyJClark
@ZacharyJClark 24 күн бұрын
Miquella bewitched Malenia and used his puppet to go after Radahn. Miquella then took Radahns Soul using Melania and the soldier betwitched by Miquwlla took Melania back to the Haligtree. Malenia attacks you and chants she is tthe blade of miquella, her enchanter. The entire population of the haligtree is under miquellas control. Ranni was told that the only way to achieve godhood was through slaying Godwin. It was Miquella that told her, the Greater Will had abandoned them. Godwin was slain by the Black Knives, thinking they were toast as Ranni was told by Miquella about being abandoned and she would be taken. So, here we have Ranni commit the kill, Miquella sending for Radahn and shoving Radahn into Kohg's Body. Richard got swallowed, because he had to fight off Miquella. In the end, Marika sent away Godfrey and we got put in the bell tower golems waiting to be awakened. Marika shattered the ring and we are children of Marika. It was Miquella that is the villian. The worst part? It was Miquella that put the spell on his mother, the offsprinf in amber is bewitched to be Miquella. Miquella is evil.
@djw3512
@djw3512 24 күн бұрын
@@ZacharyJClark There’s nothing that points at Miquella telling Ranni to kill Godwyn. If anything, she would want to keep Godwyn alive, as it is said that Miquella genuinely admired Radahn due to his leadership and strength, and seeing that Godwyn has those same qualities, it’s unlikely that Miquella would want Godwyn dead(as in not coming back at all dead)
@ZacharyJClark
@ZacharyJClark 24 күн бұрын
@@djw3512 Except Godwin was uncontrollable and a barrier to Miquellas plans.
@djw3512
@djw3512 24 күн бұрын
@@ZacharyJClark How would Godwyn even stop him? He would have to find out about Miquella’s plans first. And it’s not like Miquella got himself involved with every demigod. He ain’t do nothing with Morgott
@ZacharyJClark
@ZacharyJClark 24 күн бұрын
@@djw3512 Miquella controls, he does not trust. Godwin was uncontrollable, Godwin beside Marika was one of the most charismatic. St Trina was banished for this very reason. Marika plucked destined death and Miquella used his power to turn the Black Knives. They carved for Ranni. However, Carrian Manor was then attacked. Ranni then locked away the leader of The Black Knives. Marika shattered the ring after Godwins death, and Ranni violated. The leader of the black knives only rememvers being given destined death by Marika. Malekith took DD willingly,(Marika stole it) but after Godwins death and Rannis binding with Melina, (Taught and helped by Miquella) Malekith was overcome with obsession to reclaim DD. Marika, Ranni and Miquella all saw tarnished as the solution. They all knew, we were the wildcard. Banished with Godrey, brought to the Bellfrees and revived as a last resort.
@apolloisnotashirt
@apolloisnotashirt 25 күн бұрын
One more thing I noticed in Bonny Gaol, in the areas where there are Shaman Pots and living Innards there are no Warrior Jars, but in the areas that has only corpses there are actual Warrior Jars.
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 25 күн бұрын
Belurat Gaol also makes it clear that it wasn’t just the shamans in the jars, it was also just regular criminals, including other Hornsent, and anyone else they put in the jails (like for example Midra and his scholars for studying the frenzied flame). Basically, Shamans were the main ingredient who’s flesh bound everything together, but they butchered other people as well to meld with them.
@octavianpopescu4776
@octavianpopescu4776 23 күн бұрын
Maybe they rebelled? The warrior jars rebelling against the hornsent?
@apolloisnotashirt
@apolloisnotashirt 23 күн бұрын
@@octavianpopescu4776 Maybe? I like that idea but to me this just confirms more that Warrior jars are made through corpses 😅
@GaBrIeL7395
@GaBrIeL7395 24 күн бұрын
20:35 this can somehow explain how Marika and Radagon, Miquella and Trina were able to “mend together”. Which could also explain how Miquella just left parts of his body away and Godrick grafting abilities
@captainmorg95
@captainmorg95 25 күн бұрын
I do think that Marika probably did a lot of what we see Miquella do in this DLC. I think she travelled and left part of herself across the land. What if Radagon was her St. Trina, just not her heart/love, maybe her fanaticism or yearn for perfection. Radagon sought more knowledge as a champion, going so far as to learn sorcery from the best sorcerer of his age, Rennala, and yearned to create perfect order as Elden Lord. Marika could have cut him out and then became a God. I also wonder if the Gloam Eyed Queen was also originally another aspect of Marika that she cut out, explaining why Melina may evoke ideas of the GEQ in the frenzy ending if you don't use her as kindling. I think Marika wanted to be a God of abundance, of life, in order to combat the death that her people the Numen/Shamans experienced at the hands of the Hornsent. It would make sense later on then when Godwyn dies that she, in severe grief, shatters the elden ring and locks away the realm of shadow as it is a land associated with death. I think Radagon reappeared during the Liurnian Wars under the guise of being on Marika's side, but was actually only working with the Greater Will and the Two Fingers to eventually supplant Marika as the vessel of the Elden Ring and become God. That could explain the dialogue from Marika later on, she realizes who Radagon is at the point of his betrayal, proving to be her other self, like St Trina and Miquella, and yet to become a God. We see the Two Fingers try to stop Ranni, they send a Baleful Shadow after her, but we never see the fingers ever try to stop Miquella, or at the very least no evidence is found yet showing any interruption, so what if they don't care if Miquella becomes a God, because they just need a new vessel for the next age. Miquella doesn't seem to want to stop the continuation of the Elden Ring, he is a fundamentalist, he just wants to stop pain and suffering, like Marika except that he is going to basically control or compel everyone to do so. Marika's story is tragic, not just the sad backstory but because of how she became what she hated in her past life. The forces of the Erdtree committed genocide against the giants, went to war against the Carians and the Ancient Dragons. She caused suffering and she sees this all come to fruition when one of her family (extended) rebels against her order by murdering her son. Shattering the Elden Ring is something akin to her last defiance against the Greater Will, who she possibly has viewed as the progenitor of the cycle of suffering she was the victim and perpetrator of. She still was a tool and perpetrator of genocide, so the people saying she is a hero is a bit off, but it doesn't mean her act of shattering the Elden Ring and trying to end the cycle isn't a heroic act. I don't think Marika would call herself a hero
@zachariahsmith9130
@zachariahsmith9130 22 күн бұрын
This!!!! Tho i dont think Radagon was trying to supplant her, hes just her desire to defend and protect what she has. Therefore he wants to preserve the golden order. His purpose is singular in nature, tho he is a seperate being. Which also explains his desire to get stronger. He clearly cant be working with the greater will because its stated that the greater will hasnt been communicating with the fingers in the DLC.
@CodexisInkwind
@CodexisInkwind 25 күн бұрын
This raises a lot of questions regarding her first marriage with Godfry. Was he part of the hornsent culture? We know the crucible Knights were his warriors or connected with him, so they had some connection to the power or admiration of the crucible.
@ryanlozano9086
@ryanlozano9086 24 күн бұрын
Most likely not he was a warrior who probably was more soft to those that followed the crucible rather then markia
@saccure0128
@saccure0128 23 күн бұрын
I doubt that Marika soloed the entire hornsent nation, so its possible that the "seduction" mentioned in the trailer is of Godfrey, or Horah Loux who was a chieftain and so probably had an army of his own. She seduced Godfrey and used his armies to destroy the Horsent. This would also have parallels to Daenerys and Khal Drogo who were also written by George R.R. Martin
@zachariahsmith9130
@zachariahsmith9130 22 күн бұрын
This is clearly answered on the base game.
@CodexisInkwind
@CodexisInkwind 22 күн бұрын
@@zachariahsmith9130 Godfry and his crucible Knights potentially being connected to the hornsent is explained in the base game? I can't say I've heard anyone talk about that before. I'd love to hear the explanation
@zachariahsmith9130
@zachariahsmith9130 22 күн бұрын
@@CodexisInkwind Hes not connected to the hornsent at all. Hes not even from the lands between hes from the Badlands. The Badlands are not in the game.
@randyleerandyleerandylee
@randyleerandyleerandylee 24 күн бұрын
Her removal of the rune of death to punish the hornsent eternally is great. Great lore video. There’s still so much of this story to tell. I want a sequel damnit.
@jeanmouloude
@jeanmouloude 24 күн бұрын
2 items, a couple lines and an empty village, all it took to understand all the intentions of Marika, turning her from a villain, to a tragic character
@pkpseudo5166
@pkpseudo5166 23 күн бұрын
She is def still a villain, we just know now why she did what she did.
@draochvar9646
@draochvar9646 20 күн бұрын
Well that and ... everything about Bonny village.
@YC-tx3di
@YC-tx3di 19 күн бұрын
​@@pkpseudo5166 villain? Depends on point of view. In many cases WE are the villain.
@AshesToAsh3s
@AshesToAsh3s 15 күн бұрын
@@pkpseudo5166she isn’t a villain, Miquella and Ranni are villains
@pkpseudo5166
@pkpseudo5166 15 күн бұрын
@@AshesToAsh3s Ranni isnt a villain either, if anything shes the opposite of Miquella. Yes she killed Godwyn, but the age she brings about is one that actually brings about growth and change, unlike Miquella's age of compassion and the age of the golden order. When you talk to miniature Ranni after finishing her quest, she says, "Mine will be an order not of gold, but the stars and moon of the chill night. I would keep them far from the earth beneath our feet. As it is now, life, and souls, and order are bound tightly together, but I would have them at great remove. And have the certainties of sight, emotion, faith, and touch... All become impossibilities. Which is why I would abandon this soil, with mine order." What she means is that no icon of faith and order would exist, it would give total free will to mankind to forge a future for themselves. No more gods, just man and his ambitions to forge a future for themselves. Is it scary? yes. Thats why Ranni says in the ending, "into, fear, doubt, and loneliness." Its a huge change shes bringing about to the lands between, one totally unlike everything else that came before, but its hopeful. Change as big as this is scary, and being devoid of a god to pledge worship to is lonely. But she hopes that instead, man will govern man, allowing society not to be governed by divinity, but equal man. Its probably one of the best endings you can have.
@dubzilla1979
@dubzilla1979 25 күн бұрын
you can find white snake skin in Bonny village in bushes not far from "O mother"
@Ogrelord_DMac
@Ogrelord_DMac 23 күн бұрын
Very well done! As someone who's watched at least 100 of these lore videos, I have to say this one has been the best. You have thoroughly covered this topic.
@MechanicalPencilGirl
@MechanicalPencilGirl 24 күн бұрын
Crucible reminds me of Sailor Moon, the ending using a Cauldron as a place where everything is born.
@Patrik1st
@Patrik1st 24 күн бұрын
Messmer's snakes are the same color as the dead one in the gate trailer. That's his pops yo😂
@virginiaorlowski1433
@virginiaorlowski1433 12 күн бұрын
It looks to me as if the Gate of Divinity was the true goal of the flesh jars. The hornsent used bodies for bricks and shrine maidens for mortar. They were creating a place for one of their own to achieve divinity, and perhaps the creation of a god was originally a mutual goal of the hornsent and shrine maidens, but after that alliance morphed into a genocide, Marika simply ascended first and put a stop to it.
@yaibaone
@yaibaone 25 күн бұрын
When we think that the Nox are Numen a few things start to make sense. We know that the lands of shadow didn't use to be disconnected. Maybe she saved them and told them to create a world underground to protect them from the hornsent. She then said they committed a sin to make interaction with her kin something like treason to deter trespassers.
@Sylentmana
@Sylentmana 24 күн бұрын
The woman in the portrait with Midra has spiral braids and Marika leaves a spiral braid at the statue in Bonny village. Could they be the same person?
@danielled8665
@danielled8665 25 күн бұрын
I feel like Marika and Radagon were once one person. Then they split, as Miquella split from St.Trina. Then they recombined after Godfrey was banished and the ring was shattered.
@MilliOne
@MilliOne 12 күн бұрын
I belive that the hornsent used the great jar innards to construct the divine gate, as they refer to the innards as saints. To become a saint one can give their life to a divine purpose - the constructon of the divine gate. In the trailer, the gate has a similar colour as the jar innards.
@PWizz91
@PWizz91 24 күн бұрын
WHO THE FUCK WORKED OUT MOVING THAT STATUE?! Absolutely baffles me how some things are found in Elden ring
@kir2847
@kir2847 22 күн бұрын
Separate room with a weird statue, obscure message confirming it as a puzzle, huge inaccessible chunk of map that lies behind it. Gesture name shouting "use me you know where".
@YC-tx3di
@YC-tx3di 19 күн бұрын
I spent hours doing crazy things. Trying out gestures and actions in seprate locations. Few gave fruitions lol many were a waste of time. I even went back with the gesture yoy gst from final fight to see if it trigures something somewhere but nothing.
@marceresrellios1600
@marceresrellios1600 25 күн бұрын
Holy moly I’m early, just in time too. I haven’t been able to sleep tonight. Congrats on 300k btw
@forkbundle3073
@forkbundle3073 24 күн бұрын
oooooh! "Have mercy. For the spirited-away shamans." is her wish! I like that!
@Black7apex23
@Black7apex23 25 күн бұрын
Goddamn dude...your lore is so imprecise. Marika statues are almost all near mesmer soldiers, which means it was mesmers forces that broke marikas heads. Also, marika refers to radagon as her other self. That means he's always been with her. He is her alter ego.
@TheGoudaGoblin
@TheGoudaGoblin 25 күн бұрын
That last part is still up for debate, and the guy did acknowledge that it’s not known for sure
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 25 күн бұрын
It’s mostly up to interpretation, like most fromsoft games
@jakobrenner2230
@jakobrenner2230 24 күн бұрын
He has admitted your second point to be speculation on his part. I, for one, agree and think that Radagon has always been Marika but I can see why some people would think otherwise.
@nerobiblios4086
@nerobiblios4086 24 күн бұрын
I agree with the Marika is Radagon concept. It's basically Radagon is to Marika as St.Trina is to Miquella. The other half of the person they essentially separated in order to ascend into Godhood.
@Jesus-jq5zw
@Jesus-jq5zw 24 күн бұрын
I agree Radagon was most likely much like Trina, but he vouched for the golden order probably plotting against Marika to take her place
@papapesky
@papapesky 25 күн бұрын
Suddenly the moniker of "Omen" makes sense. 🤔
@HermydesTv
@HermydesTv 25 күн бұрын
These lore videos are hitting like crack from the whole community love to see it!
@DarkHeroGamePlay
@DarkHeroGamePlay 19 күн бұрын
I have been watching your videos for a good minute now. I'm glad to see you covering Elden ring, as I moved from Zelda to Elden ring myself LMFAO, love the video Keep it up, please! :D Also I'm interested to know more about the connection between Melina and the Gloam Eyed Queen.
@ProfDriftwood
@ProfDriftwood 23 күн бұрын
Well done, really got in there. Checked the japanese translations. Got some stuff I hadn't seen mentioned anywhere else. 10/10 good video.
@FrankFreezy_
@FrankFreezy_ 24 күн бұрын
Wow! so many dots connected! Thanks man❤🙏🏾
@oxymoron159
@oxymoron159 25 күн бұрын
Came out right before bed perfect!
@adawg3032
@adawg3032 22 күн бұрын
I just wish it wasn’t so confusing to know what changes once you become a god via the divine gateway. I mean does the universe bend to your will now or do you just have enough holy damage to kill everything
@killakev9589
@killakev9589 24 күн бұрын
that was really good man
@Kapption
@Kapption 23 күн бұрын
Well done
@agm5424
@agm5424 25 күн бұрын
In the last of ziostorm's video it was shown that there's a huge shedded snake skin that can be found in shaman village that looks similar to the snake skin that can be found in the arena were we fight the Godskinn noble in Volcano Manor. There's no explanation why it's there. My only guess is that it may have been planned to be part of an abandoned storyline that may explain the origin of Marika's aversion to snakes.
@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962
@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962 24 күн бұрын
If we look at Dominula, the dancing women have skinned and burned men, piling them up as if to mold them into masses like they do in Bonny village, and there is a Godskin apostle there. As we know from the Church of Eiglay, the Godskins are connected to the Great Serpent. The snakeskin is a symbol of rejuvenation through death, and the maidens of Dominula are trying to rejuvenate the Lands Between. It is also not a coincidence that Dominula is a windmill village, the windmill being a symbol for cyclical change that grinds grains into meal, ridding it of the grist.
@nowherefool5869
@nowherefool5869 25 күн бұрын
miquella's gentle world = "benevolent" dictatorship/monarchy which ofc is an oxymoron.
@t-mango2491
@t-mango2491 12 күн бұрын
17:41 the woman in the tree. It’s an offering to the grandmother, that would be the presumably petrified woman in the tree, it’s a common concept in faith to have a person die such that a tree bearing fruit may grow, and that’s probably what’s happening here, based on the fact they have an entire separate culture up there, shaman are spiritualists, and it is likely that corpse is the shrine referred to by marika’s proper title “shrine maiden” in the Japanese
@quicksam9941
@quicksam9941 24 күн бұрын
this is a great video. here's what I think. I believe that snakes used to be quite integral to the crucible, and to the erdtree. but now, they have done something so terrible that they are seen as traitors to the erdtree. you may think this is just because of messmer, but it thinks it goes deeper than that. I believe messmers father was a serpent god. I believe the serpent tempted Marika to commit the original sin, just like Eve in the garden of Eden. and then she burnt down the erdtree with messmers flame. the scadutree looks like a burnt tree, without any leaves. the burning of the erdtree is described as the cardinal sin, and I believe that the original sin was the first time the erdtree was burnt. the item description for "messmers kindling" says that he keeps company with the original sin, and he literally does keep company with the base abyssal serpent, and his flame. miquella is definitely a kind of christ-figure, and wishes to atone for the original sin, as it says in his great rune. I think the original sin is an extremely important factor in marikas rise to power, and is also probably the reason why the lands are shrouded in shadow now. but that's just my theory, I may be wrong. still looking into it, and I may end up making a video about it if I get enough information together.
@Lord-Darkness
@Lord-Darkness 18 күн бұрын
Im telling yall the hand we touch to enter the dlc was mesmer legit looks like he trying to break out of the shadow place from that egg
@MortalReaver
@MortalReaver 25 күн бұрын
I think each of different curses of Marika's children were all from beings. After all outside of Godwyn, all of children we know were cursed. And Godwyn also could have curse that was just not outwardly visible. Mesmer was cursed by Englay so he was born as base serpent with humanoid shell/skin. Omen twins and other Omens in sewers from are cursed by Hornsent. Malenia from curse by Romina, after Marika/Mesmer destroyed Church of the Bud. Miquella could be cursed by Plasudisax or his god by stopping his time, so he never grows up. Melina could be cursed by Gloam-Eyed Queen so her body combusted with half of destined death (same as Ranni), or by fell god of fire giants (but I think Radagon was recipient of Fire Giant curse). Or Marika could have been cursed directly and she just passed her curses on her children (other than Omens as hornsent seemed to curse her progeny).
@liarwithagun
@liarwithagun 24 күн бұрын
The 'curses' of the children are them being vessels for outer gods; they aren't literal magic curses her enemies placed on her bloodline. The Rot Goddess isn't the Saint Bud lady. Saint Bud lady combines the scarlet rot, which existed before her, with Crucible stuff to make a distinct type of scarlet rot called baleful scarlet rot. That is why her red Children of Rot are hostile to you while Malenia's normal Children of Rot (i.e. forager brood) aren't hostile to Miquella's band. We don't know if Englay is the Abyssal Serpent that is inhabitting Messmer. In fact, they seem to be completely different serpents with Englay being a "normal" giant snake while Messmer's Abyssal Serpent has the morphology of a different species of snake than Englay, has a characteristic ball in front of it's mouth, and is covered in eyes on it's scales and in it's mouth. Omen are children who have a particularly strong connection to the Crucible. Marika and the Golden Order hate them because they are symbolic of the Hornsent. From all the evidence shown, Melina is either the GEQ directly or some vessel or extremely closely associated with her, somehow. So you are right about this.
@kaminoagent9498
@kaminoagent9498 13 күн бұрын
Where all these crazy cinematic coming from? Are those trailers? Just edited gameplay? Like the shot of the person in the divinity gate. That was wicked
@darkriversaben9163
@darkriversaben9163 25 күн бұрын
Marika story. The horrible process of making a organic parthenogenesis philosoper stone.
@user-zp8kj2cl9g
@user-zp8kj2cl9g 25 күн бұрын
*philosoper
@Demilich23
@Demilich23 24 күн бұрын
@@user-zp8kj2cl9g *philosoper
@isabellaolsen4156
@isabellaolsen4156 24 күн бұрын
it's incredible darks souls music is still used widely for any video regarding from softwares games. Iconic soundtrack!
@LaSignorasfav
@LaSignorasfav 24 күн бұрын
9:37 lol
@samf.s.7731
@samf.s.7731 24 күн бұрын
We really have no idea about what the actual seduction and betrayal are 😂 can only speculate! Thanks Michael Zaki!
@mattyryon
@mattyryon 25 күн бұрын
Grandam's curse is just the horns on Morgott and Mohg
@KUWAITGRIPSVEVO
@KUWAITGRIPSVEVO 7 күн бұрын
My headcannon will always be that radagon was a half giant warrior with the fell god within him, and he and marika were tooth-whipped into flesh slurry and combined in a jar. Together they seduced Godfrey, lord of the divine bird kingdom of the erdtree and home of the crucible, become god and took over the world
@MsPotatoTomato
@MsPotatoTomato 20 күн бұрын
I don’t know much about Eldin Ring but I just wanted to say congrats BanditGames on successfully changing up your channel away from Zelda content only! I totally get the frustration with the lore being nerfed in totk so seeing your success is like a mini win for me too!
@xx-fw1ej
@xx-fw1ej 24 күн бұрын
the road from bonny village to the cathedral of manus metyr is full of wolves,unnaturally. i can't help but thinking these wolves must mean something,then i realize there is a statue of a girl and three wolves in Farum Azula. i imagine young marika was once in bonny village then she run away,on the road she somehow made the wolves to help her,eventually she hided in the cathedral of manus metyr the people there helped her and guided her to became a god
@CoolHandLuke7
@CoolHandLuke7 25 күн бұрын
Blood and Wine is still the top dog for me, but this DLC is up there for sure.
@jordicasadevall2958
@jordicasadevall2958 25 күн бұрын
100% agreed
@Tikiarius
@Tikiarius 24 күн бұрын
For me the best dlc is Shivering Isles. Gosh, i am so old 😭
@CoolHandLuke7
@CoolHandLuke7 24 күн бұрын
@@Tikiarius Don't worry about it lol. First expansion that I ever played was Starcraft: Brood War. 1998!
@Patricknotstarr
@Patricknotstarr 13 күн бұрын
Messmer is probably Radagon’s son, inheriting fire from his fire giant genetics
@HarutTheBest
@HarutTheBest 24 күн бұрын
Waiting for your take on Messmer!
@chill_art_with_me
@chill_art_with_me 25 күн бұрын
Marika’s people be like: From numen to shaman to “nah man” 😢
@andreaalbertotoniolo576
@andreaalbertotoniolo576 25 күн бұрын
ayo what's the OST in the background @ 11:52 ? so trippy lol, great video also
@kay_keik7842
@kay_keik7842 24 күн бұрын
I think it's the legend of Zelda breath of the wild/tears of the kingdom.
@prettylittlepomegranate
@prettylittlepomegranate 18 күн бұрын
Do you have Zelda shrine music in the background? Lol love it
@armandaneshjoo
@armandaneshjoo 5 күн бұрын
Best DLC lore video.
@ToastedLombax
@ToastedLombax 8 күн бұрын
Super long shot theory here, and borrowing from another YT video where the pile of flesh that Marika pulled the golden threads from was a giant snake, what if that was the Gloam Eyed Queen? And perhaps Marika/Radagon sired Mesmer and Melina. Mesmer inherited the more snake aspect (and red hair from Radagon), and Melina inherited the glaom eye? With the great betrayal being the slaughter/sacrifice of GEQ that Marika makes to acquire the golden threads to craft the elden ring?
@korewa_Matoya
@korewa_Matoya 24 күн бұрын
Elden Ring Lore - The Tower Priests Worship "The Spiral" My headass - Row Row Fight the Powa
@astel_xviii
@astel_xviii 13 күн бұрын
3:21 me who got that very tattoo a few months ago: yes, yes it totally does.
@MissChambersxo
@MissChambersxo 19 күн бұрын
4:28 I think this line of dialogue more implies that Marika didn’t want to merge with Radagon to become one. I think Radagon and Marika were once the same but at some point a curse was placed on Marika to split her into two halves.
@ShadeStormXD
@ShadeStormXD 23 күн бұрын
with the talk of messmers base serpent and the crimes of bonny village, im kinda surprised you did even mentioned the eiglay shed snake skin in the north of the village
@thevigilmain6628
@thevigilmain6628 24 күн бұрын
The jars we find in the erdtree realm also present a different seal compared to the ones we find in the realm of shadow. Does this mean that the culture if potentates also propagated in the erdtree realm, after the shadow realm was banished?
@mistrants2745
@mistrants2745 25 күн бұрын
27:00 nah that doesnt seem to line up with the timeline. 1. he already has the marika sealed eye in the trailer when he burns and ravages Belurat. 2. it is heavily implied he was either born with the serpent or it was actively sealed into him by Marika herself.
@ZaNeCuDdEr
@ZaNeCuDdEr 25 күн бұрын
now we sorta understand why kids like morgott and mogh were looked down upon as they were constant reminders of her original sin
@JeremyUnck
@JeremyUnck 20 күн бұрын
I was just watching through the cutscenes and noticed how Godfrey the grafted severed his arm so that the dragon head would attach to it. I wonder if Godfrey is able to do that because he is from Merikas line which would adhere to other corpse/flesh
@ThePhantomBeaver
@ThePhantomBeaver 14 күн бұрын
Really makes it really clear why the Omen are so feared by Marika
@user-ddgsrjl
@user-ddgsrjl 24 күн бұрын
Great video and great explanation for a lot of stuff in the DLC. But there is one thing I've been wondering for quite some time now and suprisingly it seems that no one really talked about yet. Or at least, I haven't seen any videos or discussions about this topic about Marikas seduction, betrayal and what her connections with the Fingers (and in turn Greater Will) is. To me the location of Shaman Village is very interesting since it seems to be quite secluded and strangly close to the Finger Ruins of Dheo. So isn't it possible that Marika, in a desperate attempt to save her people found Metyr (which we learned was the first shooting star to fall upon the Lands Between) and made a deal/pact to gain power and followers to go against the Hornsent. Maybe she even stumbled upon Metyr on accident and got seduced by her by promising Marika revenge and a better future. Marika realised her mistake and later in a another desperate attempt shattered the ring and tried to bring it all down to try and remove the influence of the Fingers and Greater Will that she was responsible for. This would also explain what Count Ymir told us.
@rabinsivadev3999
@rabinsivadev3999 9 күн бұрын
Alright hear me out folks. Here's my theory on what Marika's seduction and betrayal was, and this has a lot to do with the parentage of Messmer and Melina. Marika by birth was a red haired powerless shaman, from the bottommost sect of the hornsent society. But she was special because she was chosen as an empyrean from the shaman people by her two fingers. Marika in her desperation, fear, and anger towards the hornsent manifested this other self that is Radagon. She was then instructed by her two fingers to use Radagon to commit an act of blasphemy which would later grant her significant power.. Now the hornsent were an advanced civilization that worshipped the crucible, created the gates of divinity by blending life forms together to emulate the crucible, and ultimately succeeded in accessing the powers of the crucible. The hornsent were strongly connected to the godskin. It was the godskin that aided the blending of lifeforms by skinning and making up those gates of corpses. The leader of the godskin, the golden haired gloam eyed queen was the god of the time and represented the crucible. You see crucible like features on the goskin nobles and apostles (tail, crucible like incantations etc). The godskin also had some kind of association with serpents as we have seen a godskin noble at the temple of Eglay. Here is what Marika and her two fingers plotted: Marika would use Radagon, a powerful and charming champion to seduce and have an affair with the gloam eyed queen. Once seduced, the gloam eyed queen birthed two red haired children, Messmer and Melina. Marika was also bestowed upon a powerful shadow by the two fingers, Maliketh. Once the children were born, Marika would use the opportunity to assassinate the gloam eyed queen using Maliketh. Marika would then pluck out the golden rune of the gloam eyed queen as shown from the trailer. This rune resided within the golden hair of the gloam eyed queen (You see that the body from which the hair is removed looks like godskin and the sky in the scene looks like a golden sky is about to replace a previous gloam colored sky). Marika would therefore assume godhood and would become the golden haired queen. The seduction, the affair and the betrayal is what lead to gold arising through Marika. And so was shadow born. I think shadow here also refers to the two children Messmer and Melina. Messmer inherited the black flame (Black pyrefly) and serpentine natures from his mother and Melina inherited the gloam eyes and destined death. Marika would seal both of these away. The golden braid that Marika left to the grandmother before she left her village forever, which is her prayer and confession, is simply a part of the same golden hair that she tore off from the gloam eyed queen for the great rune. Marika became a golden haired god but Radagon would remain red haired. The red hair reminded Marika of her sin which is why Radagon always hated his hair.
@benruniko
@benruniko 24 күн бұрын
Honestly i dont blame Merika for what she did before the shattering. Except for the child abuse, its all understandable.
@vasylpark2149
@vasylpark2149 21 күн бұрын
The crucible sounds a lot like the many concepts that are brought up at different points. The Law of Regression and Casuality. The One Great, the primeval current, the jarring rituals, and in fact the forge of the giants resembles a giant crucible.
@iamnxpalm
@iamnxpalm 24 күн бұрын
I wonder if the body that Marika reaches into in the trailer is the Gloam Eyed Queen, that body looks a lot like the Godskin stitching. She had control of destined death before marika right? What if that was one of the things to become a divine god was having control of that aspect as part of the elden ring
@becca867
@becca867 23 күн бұрын
I noticed something interesting about the jar people: they have similar posture and movement to the Black Knife Assasins, kind of hunched over with their knees turned inwards. I wonder if the Black Knife Assassins are what remain of Marika's people who were stuffed in jars, perhaps after being excised from the rest of the flesh in Messmer's hospital wing. Perhaps that is why the Black Knives appear injured. There's even a Black Knife who begins the fight with missing health in the base game.
@needleocanvas
@needleocanvas 24 күн бұрын
i love you bandit man
@Xeymaric
@Xeymaric 6 күн бұрын
First thing I thought seeing Gaius is also the Moblin Boar guy from Twilight Princess hahahaha
@di11_9
@di11_9 23 күн бұрын
Radagon is marika, the dialogue you showed was literally her saying my other self at the ending when she was talking about merging into one body before that they were separate at one point when he was with rannala but when we fight radagon marika is shown to be the same body but one point their bodies were separate, also the reason their children were cursed is because of them being the same person.
@improvedspoon
@improvedspoon 21 күн бұрын
Theory: crucible is a spiral tree upon which The Tower was built to honor it. Bloody remains seen in trailer are Hornsent offerings to the Crucible to let it grow more, until it reaches gods - like Miquella used his own blood to grow Haligtree. Marika burned Crucible away, which is why Enir-Ilim is covered in ash. Marika took part of Crucible, a seedling maybe, with which she created Erdtree at separate location.
@TheDragonstar2
@TheDragonstar2 23 күн бұрын
that makes so much sense especially with all minus godwin being cursed and deformed
@DjVtheJESUSsouja
@DjVtheJESUSsouja 22 күн бұрын
Man this DLC can be called a whole game it's so big and it revealed so many things and still there is so many questions .... i hope it doesn't end up like some other stories where they end up leaving it half assed
@vvbr2372
@vvbr2372 24 күн бұрын
I don't believe the betrayal speaks of what marika did to the hornsent but what she did to her fellow Shaman, for one we see marika ripping out golden hair out of a body, and the shaman (judging from marika herself) have golden hair. Secondly the gates are made of fused flesh and who else then the shaman have an affinity with flesh fusing?
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 24 күн бұрын
@@vvbr2372 yeah I think you’re right, if you look closely in the DLC trailer you can see that those strands of hair she’s holding up are connected to the bodies of the divine gate. It’s like she’s using the shaman flesh to hold all of bodies together, similar to how the shaman were used to hold the innards together in the jars.
@zachariahsmith9130
@zachariahsmith9130 22 күн бұрын
The whole point of miquellas journey is to give insight to his mother and her journey. The betrayal is simply her promising to end the brutality she saw and then did the opposite.
@Shado6588
@Shado6588 24 күн бұрын
Graet job
@SparkTheDad
@SparkTheDad 19 күн бұрын
Also have a theory on the pots in the lands between that Marika turns them into an almost form of reward for great warriors to be congealed into pot warriors as a way to turn her back on the horrors that were done to her people inside the pots in the land of shadow.
@oliverlarosa8046
@oliverlarosa8046 23 күн бұрын
I had a thought. We obviously know that the Hornsent of Bonny Village (I'm not entirely convinced Bonny Village wasn't considered somewhat radical, even by Hornsent standards) valued the Shamans strictly for their use in pots, but presumably their capacity for melding with others could be utilized outside of pots as well Such as in the creation of the Divine Gate, for example
@BlacksRaven
@BlacksRaven 20 күн бұрын
17:23 that's the Dark Souls 3 fire keeper.
@Turner6277
@Turner6277 25 күн бұрын
I don't think radagon was ever his own person. I think like St.Trina when miquellia became a god, Radagon was Marika sheading her flesh in the same way.
@lucabadenbaden4161
@lucabadenbaden4161 21 күн бұрын
Thank you so much to you and your crew for this video! I hope to this comment might help to spread your work through the algorithm because you really deserve it! You make the best elden ring content ever!
@mikeg5039
@mikeg5039 24 күн бұрын
I still dont know what marika took out of that slimy mass in the intro cinematic
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