Mariko Commits Seppuku - John Almost Kill Mariko | Shōgun Episode 9

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Ай бұрын

Shogun Samurai TV Series
Mariko try to commit seppuku to protest Ishido for not letting her go from the castle. Anjin second Mariko to kill her, Ishido gives her permit and let her leave.
#Shōgun #HiroyukiSanada #Samurai

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@arixtrbl6
@arixtrbl6 29 күн бұрын
the way Mariko looks at John after he steps in and tells her he'll be her second is SO HEAVY. it's like she realizes he finally understands why she's doing all of that, being respectful of her choice even if he does not agree to it. their chemistry is beautiful
@fistan5447
@fistan5447 29 күн бұрын
Its not because he finally understands now, he always did understand he just didnt agree with it one bit and argued against it. Its just he finally accepted her choise instead of trying to change her mind, trying to get in her way. He understands the conundrum she's in, and will willfully kill the woman he loves because that is what SHE needs. He finally put her before what he wants.
@tenkaikazama
@tenkaikazama 28 күн бұрын
respect the death of the one you love is not respect, is stupidity. there is nothing after death.
@arixtrbl6
@arixtrbl6 28 күн бұрын
@@tenkaikazama I wouldn't call it stupidity given how different they viewed life and death. but it was definitely a matter of acceptance, and Anna Sawai herself said it was the most romantic thing in the world for Mariko, to be seen and understood that way.
@Botfodder2
@Botfodder2 28 күн бұрын
While so much is different from the book, this isn't necessarily untrue to the spirit of the book; in the book, John himself at one point attempts seppuku which is only stopped by Omi.
@alvinnugraha5264
@alvinnugraha5264 27 күн бұрын
@@tenkaikazama How can u be so sure there's nothing after death?
@fullsend4976
@fullsend4976 29 күн бұрын
The fact he decided to become his second means he truly loves her. Despite not wanting her to go thru commiting sepuku, he’d rather be the second then allow her to feel like she’s damned to hell. It’s quite poetic for him to do it considering her earlier quote on how a flowers beauty or purpose is when it falls “flowers are only flowers when it falls”. Her whole life after her father’s death is wanting to die, but now her death is given purpose and meaning to her and to those she cares about.
@mirikaku5811
@mirikaku5811 25 күн бұрын
Yes, truly romantic moment
@emmanuela7528
@emmanuela7528 Ай бұрын
Subtle thing about this episode: those with a keen eye would spot that Blackthorne has been sword-training. Everything about his stance and grip and posture has changed from the first time at the beach with Yabushige, where he couldn’t even grip the sword properly. In this episode, he even performs a manoeuvre and kills someone who was trying to kill him. Good on him for putting in the work.
@Lalit02Dhanwani
@Lalit02Dhanwani 25 күн бұрын
fake sword training of a fake samurai.
@id9504
@id9504 24 күн бұрын
@@Lalit02Dhanwani Just google "WIlliam Adams, Miura Anjin"
@br0ken_107
@br0ken_107 23 күн бұрын
@@Lalit02Dhanwani "fake samurai" you do know samurai were military nobility rather than pure swordsman, samurai was a title which can be granted by a lord to anyone. So he is a real samurai in the show. Why do garbage people like comment when you don't know anything.
@hyadalko46
@hyadalko46 21 күн бұрын
@@br0ken_107 Weebs be thinking that you need to be pureblooded japanese to even touch a katana.
@morganhobson8941
@morganhobson8941 20 күн бұрын
@@Lalit02Dhanwani Blackthorne's character is based on William Adams, who was in fact given the title of samurai with no more sword training than we see here in the show. Don't be dumb.
@johnb528
@johnb528 27 күн бұрын
The point is that he was willing to do something he was totally against for someone he loved and be haunted by it forever. That is different than trying to convince her for what he himself wanted. I think she respected it immensely.
@id9504
@id9504 26 күн бұрын
The way they shot how Anjin helps Mariko to get up by offering his hand and her accepting it looks almost like a marriage ceremony with guests looking at newly wed.
@Taylexwow
@Taylexwow 10 күн бұрын
The pain on her face at the realization she is abandoned by her chosen second and might have to kill herself by her own hand condemning herself to hell (by her Catholic faith) is pure art.....such an amazing performance. As is the expression of relief when Blackthorne realizes this when he tells her to pay hell no mind.
@krisztianmayer
@krisztianmayer 29 күн бұрын
It is a stunning scene. One of the best of this show. Her bravery and her loyal heart makes her a true samurai heroine. Whithout John She would have been left alone in this heartbreakingly heavy situation. No one was there to secont her untill John step forward to do it. Their nonverbal communication was very touching. Both Anna and Cosmo deservs a bow for this scene. Great actors!
@Lalit02Dhanwani
@Lalit02Dhanwani 25 күн бұрын
her fake seppuku shit was disgusting she never meant to kill herself she cry for seppuku 16 years and never did anything until it was time when she know she isn't going to survive she put a show .
@cupofjoe.88
@cupofjoe.88 24 күн бұрын
@@Lalit02Dhanwani ishido burner account lol, she always wanted to die and she willingly put herself in front of the door for that reason
@Lalit02Dhanwani
@Lalit02Dhanwani 24 күн бұрын
@@cupofjoe.88 this is fiction story there no ishido nor mariko. it took her 16 f***ing years to do what she wanted when she know there is no way she would live so she die dramatically/
@leondhay
@leondhay 18 күн бұрын
@@Lalit02Dhanwani OMG you so angry ... OVER FUCKING TV SHOW!!
@BigScalyBird
@BigScalyBird 16 күн бұрын
@@cupofjoe.88lolol or Buntaro burner account 😂 why is he so mad 🤣
@NV-wf1nu
@NV-wf1nu 22 күн бұрын
"Let it from your mind." He tells her to unburden herself of the fear for her own soul, that he understands his true task is not just to ease her death by being her second, but by risking his own soul for hers.
@jacjacobisrael
@jacjacobisrael 25 күн бұрын
As messed up as that was It was romantic in its own way Its shows that despite how much he hates seeing her kill herself he still stands and with her And she knows how he feels and appreciate him for that
@InkyM4
@InkyM4 13 күн бұрын
What other show could manage "I'm gonna cut your head off" as a declaration of truest love?
@Nikki-4-President
@Nikki-4-President 19 күн бұрын
For those who is not familiar, the first act of Seppuku is extremely painful if done properly in the guts (instead of the heart). The second act liberates the samurai from the pain. The last psychological chess move was not giving Mariko the second act to instill fear on her. She apparently went with the Seppuku anyway. Blackthorn understood that and volunteered to be the second act. Japanese legend said that some defeated samurai opened up their stomach, took their guts out, and chop them to pieces in front of the winning party before leaning forward for the second act. That action terrified the winning party and served as the samurai's last fighting effort.
@ElZilchoYo
@ElZilchoYo 17 күн бұрын
Female samurai seppuku was always a stab in the throat anyway, not the gut slicing.
@Taylexwow
@Taylexwow 8 күн бұрын
It also had to do for Mariko that shed go to hell by suicide based on her Catholic faith. A poibt she made clear when she asked Kiyama to second her
@Nikki-4-President
@Nikki-4-President 7 күн бұрын
@@Taylexwow great insight!
@Nikki-4-President
@Nikki-4-President 7 күн бұрын
@@ElZilchoYo I am not convinced that the term "Samurai" can be applied to female at that time.
@cesaravegah3787
@cesaravegah3787 5 күн бұрын
​@@ElZilchoYoNot always, but yes, for female samurai going straight to the throat cut was deemed as honorable, female seppuku was relatively rare anyways making it a kind of individual event each case, Mariko protesting Lord Ishido actions through the most painful ceremony would had been devastating to him
@user-fx7el9nc3d
@user-fx7el9nc3d Ай бұрын
「散りぬべき 時知りてこそ 世の中の 花も花なれ 人も人なれ」 自害する時、膝を縛る作法がしっかり描写されているのに感心!!
@PBurns-ng3gw
@PBurns-ng3gw Ай бұрын
I agree! Historically, it was done so that the lady would die in a dignified pose. When she tied her knees together, I knew this was being taken seriously.
@user-nu7mq1jh2x
@user-nu7mq1jh2x Ай бұрын
細川ガラシャ
@user-si7so1kb5j
@user-si7so1kb5j 27 күн бұрын
作法も何も女性は切腹しないし介錯されることもありません。 ものすごく少ない例であるそうですがそれも不確かです。
@user-js9yp6lb2l
@user-js9yp6lb2l 15 күн бұрын
細川ガラシャはキリシタンだったから、自害(自殺)を認めて無いから、介錯頼んたようで😢 他のドラマでは槍で突いて貰ったり゙… いずれにしても、細川護熙元総理のご先祖様は凄いですね🎉
@Heartless2000
@Heartless2000 Ай бұрын
Its so good to not have read the books 😂😂😂 the intensity of these episode is just off the charts 👏👏👏
@ianmcclure3936
@ianmcclure3936 Ай бұрын
Same, also it wasn't a great idea watching this before going to bed. Now I can't sleep. lol. The wait for the finale is going to be torturous!
@VDA19
@VDA19 Ай бұрын
You definitely should read the book after the show is over. The show skipped a LOT of things. When Mariko died in the book I was heartbroken, their love story is much more complex and sweet there.
@Heartless2000
@Heartless2000 Ай бұрын
@@VDA19 nah I want to see cinematography, wanna hear scores, wanna see acting, books don't have these so it's a pass 🤣🤣
@factspoken9062
@factspoken9062 Ай бұрын
movie capture just a small percent of what is conveyed in the book
@Heartless2000
@Heartless2000 Ай бұрын
@@factspoken9062 so what, books don't have cinematography, scores, acting. I wanna see raw emotion tears dropping, voice cracking ,I don't wanna imagine these things I wanna see and hear them
@JGrimm52
@JGrimm52 20 күн бұрын
When you risk you own soul in hell so your waifu goes to heaven
@Bandedcookie
@Bandedcookie Ай бұрын
It is unlikely blackthorne would perform his job as second well. But he saw it as sparing her damnation. So even though she may not die quickly, in his eyes what is that to eternal torment.
@attysthoughts3253
@attysthoughts3253 Ай бұрын
He can swing a sword, hes just unfamiliar with a katana
@hfar_in_the_sky
@hfar_in_the_sky 29 күн бұрын
A similar thought occured to me as well. Especially since such clear importance is put on the rosary she gives him
@Brendissimo1
@Brendissimo1 29 күн бұрын
He's definitely had some training with a cutlass and has combat experience, as you see ample demonstration of later in the episode. I'm pretty sure the toughest thing about this for him is not the physical act of cutting off her head itself. It's the anguish of who he has to do it to.
@shoyupacket5572
@shoyupacket5572 29 күн бұрын
would be a hell of a thing to do for the first time. i can't imagine being the one to do that.
@roberterlandson8234
@roberterlandson8234 27 күн бұрын
Id be concerned it wouldn't be a clean beheading which would be awful for John
@dysonsphere
@dysonsphere 28 күн бұрын
He's not her second in the book. Yabu is, and despite being an absolute a-hole he wants to be perfect for her which is cool because the honouring of their traditions transcend their relationships.
@mirikaku5811
@mirikaku5811 25 күн бұрын
I love this version more. Yabu second her is so false when he in fact betray them all. It would just be an act. While this version was the ultimate romantic scene amongst this series John and Marikos special bond.
@Lalit02Dhanwani
@Lalit02Dhanwani 25 күн бұрын
@@mirikaku5811 this was to make fans support suicide and make it look romantic., her fake seppuku show.
@ElZilchoYo
@ElZilchoYo 17 күн бұрын
@@mirikaku5811 That makes more sense in the show sure, but the book spends far more time on their Romance and Yabu is more complex too.
@Javelin_cat
@Javelin_cat Ай бұрын
Madame knows a lot about suffering. To ask for help from a man who for the first time almost held a sword in his hands, we saw how he, having met Yabushige on the shore, held it
@kirishima2370
@kirishima2370 Ай бұрын
She didn't ask him, he was the only one willing to do it because he couldn't watch her suffer.
@DanBeech-ht7sw
@DanBeech-ht7sw 29 күн бұрын
He's held swords before, he's an English mariner, of course he can use a sword. He just doesn't know the Japanese style of fighting. But he can carry out a slashing blow easily.
@roxannedrummond1677
@roxannedrummond1677 28 күн бұрын
i cried like a baby the first time i saw this.
@mypov9790
@mypov9790 Ай бұрын
Japanese honor and loyalty back then is almost absolute! You earned our respect our japanese brothers!
@Pdmc-vu5gj
@Pdmc-vu5gj 29 күн бұрын
Creepy
@richardshiflett5181
@richardshiflett5181 28 күн бұрын
She's a woman
@dominusdone5023
@dominusdone5023 27 күн бұрын
But japanese were also rapist and murderer s so no real honor
@jonbaxter2254
@jonbaxter2254 29 күн бұрын
Strangely romantic which is wild
@mirikaku5811
@mirikaku5811 25 күн бұрын
It is the most romantic scene in all of there scenes. Breathtakingly beautiful unconditional love
@cs9251
@cs9251 29 күн бұрын
広松の切腹があったからこそ、このシーンの緊張感が跳ね上がった
@user-si6fd6lw6e
@user-si6fd6lw6e 29 күн бұрын
What many Japanese worry about is whether this drama will reinforce misunderstandings and prejudices. So, we comment on parts of fiction that are significantly different from reality. It would be fine if all the content of the drama were fiction, but since this era, the amount of records has increased rapidly and the facts are becoming more detailed. On the other hand, Japanese cannot help but feel uncomfortable with dramas based on original works that contain a lot of fiction and a little historical fact. William Adams, who was the model for John Blackthorne, is a real person, but after the historic battle (Battle of Sekigahara) in 1600, he was favored by Ieyasu (Toranaga) and became a hatamoto(direct vassal of shogun). It's not like he was active before that battle. I would like to clearly recognize that fact. It may be unavoidable to have flashy or cruel directions for entertainment, but Hosokawa Gracia, who was the model for Toda Mariko, did not commit suicide to protect her faith, but instead had her family vassal kill her. Therefore, she remains the tragic heroine of the Sengoku period. In this drama, Mariko says "suicide,'' and then she says "kaishaku,'' so even though she asks for "kaishaku'' as punishment for breaking her faith, this is out of Japanese common sense. In other words, Japanese think that such "suicide'' is "actually seppuku,'' and are confused by this strangeness. I understand that it was difficult, but I wish they had expressed "kaishaku'' correctly, just like "seppuku.'' 多くの日本人が心配するのは、このドラマで逆に誤解や偏見が助長されないかということです。だから、事実と大きく異なったフィクションの部分に対し、コメントするのです。ドラマ内容全てがフィクションであったら良いのですが、この時代から、記録の量がぐっと増えてきて事実が詳しくわかってきます。これに反し、多くのフィクションと少ない史実の混じった原作のドラマに、日本人は違和感を覚えざるを得ないのです。ジョン・ブラックソーンのモデルとなったウィリアム・アダムズは実在の人物ですが、1600年の歴史的な戦い(関ヶ原の戦い)の後、家康(虎長)の気に入られ、旗本になっていますから、その戦いの前から活動をしたわけではありません。その事実ははっきりと認識して欲しいのです。娯楽作品にするには派手だったり残虐だったりする演出も仕方ないかもしれませんが、戸田鞠子のモデルとなった細川ガラシャは、信仰を守って自殺せず、家来に自身を殺させているため、戦国時代の悲劇のヒロインであることに変わりはありません。このドラマ内で鞠子は「自害」と言ってから、続いて「介錯」と言っているため、信仰を破った罰として「介錯」を頼んでも、これは日本人の常識から外れます。つまり、その「自害」は「実質上の切腹」になると日本人は考え、その奇妙さに戸惑うのです。難しかったことはわかりますが、「切腹」と同様に「介錯」も正しく表現して欲しかったと思います。
@Lalit02Dhanwani
@Lalit02Dhanwani 25 күн бұрын
they just want to make some dollars from pleasing there western viewer's.
@daurenussenov336
@daurenussenov336 28 күн бұрын
I"ve never read 1000 pages in 2 days before this book. Thanks Mr. Clavel. And this is the best movie based on the book.
@I_SuperHiro_I
@I_SuperHiro_I 26 күн бұрын
Is the book really that good?
@hirameberhardt8643
@hirameberhardt8643 24 күн бұрын
Once❤ you start reading SHOGUN, you can't put it down​@I_SuperHiro_I
@tindikukka
@tindikukka 20 күн бұрын
​@@I_SuperHiro_IBooks are always better than filmations.
@theprocrastinator12
@theprocrastinator12 19 күн бұрын
@@I_SuperHiro_I yes its absolutely amazing, but very long so be prepared for a long read, if you decide to read it.
@I_SuperHiro_I
@I_SuperHiro_I 19 күн бұрын
@@theprocrastinator12 I’m in hotels 4 nights a week, so I’ll have plenty of time. I just ordered a copy :)
@MrKakashi32030
@MrKakashi32030 19 күн бұрын
Jesus Crist mate ... I almost had an heart attack in This scene 😂
@eodyn7
@eodyn7 Ай бұрын
I'm just here to laugh all the "weebs" in the comment section like "Ackchyually..."
@austin1806
@austin1806 Ай бұрын
I honestly can’t tell if it’s more white kids or actual Japanese people that are offended 😂
@goldenretrieversarethebest8119
@goldenretrieversarethebest8119 28 күн бұрын
same lmao
@asimhussain8716
@asimhussain8716 26 күн бұрын
Uh the people who ACKCHUALLY understand Japanese culture aren't weebs, they're just educated. The weebs are the ones who watch anime and think they know about samurais lol.
@JGrimm52
@JGrimm52 22 күн бұрын
The fuck are you even talking about?
@Alfreduss
@Alfreduss Ай бұрын
I will read the book after the show is over. Will love to know more details of the story.
@kirishima2370
@kirishima2370 Ай бұрын
The book tells the story much more from Blackthorne's perspective (and that of the Portuguese), it also spends a lot more time on the love story
@xarius1
@xarius1 10 күн бұрын
Everyone is wrong. Mariko looks at John not out of relief or some deep realization that he now understands. But out of deep regret and sadness that this man that she loves was the last person she wanted to put through this. She knows it would cause him great pain. And she regrets this. But her resolve cannot be diminished and she proceeds.
@roberterlandson8234
@roberterlandson8234 6 күн бұрын
It's unlikely John would've gotten a clean cut on the first try
@tsurutajumbo
@tsurutajumbo 2 күн бұрын
It can be both
@harunaartstudio4233
@harunaartstudio4233 24 күн бұрын
This is not actually seppuku scene. Seppuku, 切腹, cut the belly, is the manner of samurai. For ladies of samurai family often committed suicide but not cut belly but stab their chest or cut their neck. Mariko tried to stab her chest.
@Viktorreznov1942
@Viktorreznov1942 19 күн бұрын
Seppuku is either way
@Bon-Gi
@Bon-Gi 29 күн бұрын
What song is in the background? Soo good.
@ivankok4724
@ivankok4724 25 күн бұрын
Sounds like "The Pull of Death" from Shogun's soundtrack
@jeremyfusenliu3859
@jeremyfusenliu3859 5 күн бұрын
This scene had me on the edge of my seat the whole time, it was so intense.
@PseudoNortheastIndian
@PseudoNortheastIndian 29 күн бұрын
Although a lady could also commit seppuku equivalent (as uncommon cases), calling this seppuku is wrong as she targets her heart. 2:21 It looks like some Japanese say that this scene is wrong as a lady is not supposed to commit seppuku, but the truth is that she is not committing seppuku in this scene. Nobody in the show called it seppuku. Just some audiences or critics wrongly call it seppuku, which is wrong.
@thespiritphoenix3798
@thespiritphoenix3798 28 күн бұрын
Then what is the female equivalent of Seppuku?
@naylamuslima
@naylamuslima 28 күн бұрын
I believe its called "jigai". The ritual suicide from women of samurais. But normally its directed at the throat if im not mistaking
@naylamuslima
@naylamuslima 28 күн бұрын
​@@thespiritphoenix3798"jigai"
@Lalit02Dhanwani
@Lalit02Dhanwani 25 күн бұрын
@@naylamuslima she isn't woman of a samurai but a hoe of Ajin,
@liviusss
@liviusss 4 күн бұрын
The son watching Mariko breaks my heart... 🥺
@redsol3629
@redsol3629 4 күн бұрын
If your nominated second refuses then you must endure the entire ritual of disembowelling yourself.
@goldenretrieversarethebest8119
@goldenretrieversarethebest8119 28 күн бұрын
what is barney thompson doing in japan. he's supposed to be working for the peaky blinders
@ln5321
@ln5321 Ай бұрын
He's so mumbly, I can't understand what he says after telling her that he'll do it. Sounds like "there's no place I haven't already known, [insert unintelligible gibberish here]"
@austin1806
@austin1806 Ай бұрын
I agree, I think he says “Hell is no place I haven’t already known, let it from your mind” while trying to spare her from damnation for committing suicide without someone as her second.
@ln5321
@ln5321 Ай бұрын
@@austin1806 That makes sense and listening again after seeing your comment, I think you're right.
@SukiOG
@SukiOG 29 күн бұрын
@@austin1806That is indeed what he says, had to put it on 0.5 at first just to understand it 😭
@patrician3821
@patrician3821 29 күн бұрын
I thought I couldn’t understand because my English was not good enough ( not a native here, of course)
@ln5321
@ln5321 29 күн бұрын
@@patrician3821 I'm a native speaker and I struggled with that line. I don't know why TV and movies think having actors mumble their lines somehow makes it better nowadays.
@megsley
@megsley 18 күн бұрын
it'd be amazing if I could actually see what's happening without having to turn the brightness on my phone all the way up.
@spaceman9599
@spaceman9599 Ай бұрын
Ah the tragic culmination 😢
@ElenaStoyanova-vw5ft
@ElenaStoyanova-vw5ft Күн бұрын
As I remember not Anjin but Yabbu assists Mariko. That was on the book…imagine how Anjin without knowledge of using sword would make it…ihhh
@nguyenkhanh7759
@nguyenkhanh7759 Ай бұрын
can anyone explain why yabushi helps the shinobi get in the fortress and then warn the main characters about the incoming shinobi?
@keithfilibeck2390
@keithfilibeck2390 Ай бұрын
he's playing both sides so he always comes out on top
@gregordrizzlewing7339
@gregordrizzlewing7339 Ай бұрын
@@keithfilibeck2390he a dead man walking from the start 😂
@VDA19
@VDA19 Ай бұрын
Because Yabu is always playing both sides.
@wulfgarpl
@wulfgarpl Ай бұрын
Mariko had to die in a way that moved lords to rebellion against Ishido. When he stopped seppuku, other way had to orchestrated that blamed him. For Yabu warring other is just an alibi for himself.
@SeaDemon25
@SeaDemon25 Ай бұрын
becouse he doesnt want to die
@rogue.red.dragon
@rogue.red.dragon 25 күн бұрын
a number of things wrong with this. Female samurai do not commit Seppuku they commit Jigai. When commiting Jigai the dagger is used to cut their throat not driver into their heart as Mariko intended. And finally since the jugglular was cut it brought about a very rapid death the act of beheading was not required so Blackthorne wouldn't have had to at as her second.
@Biefbacon
@Biefbacon 24 күн бұрын
Without a second, Mariko would have committed suicide, damning her soul to hell. She needed someone else to strike the killing blow.
@alphagerudo6242
@alphagerudo6242 27 күн бұрын
John and Mariko romance 😢 later in episode anyway, he made love to her that night & will never find a woman like her again
@Lalit02Dhanwani
@Lalit02Dhanwani 25 күн бұрын
they don't made love it was sex, to fulfill there lust
@Subpac_ww2
@Subpac_ww2 26 күн бұрын
Marpi Point vibes
@Ursy
@Ursy 28 күн бұрын
Ok these clips aint the best to watch on a phone. On max brightness and i can barely see a thing
@lendial
@lendial 29 күн бұрын
Was John really going to go through with it?
@blackmantis3130
@blackmantis3130 29 күн бұрын
We will never know
@alphagerudo6242
@alphagerudo6242 27 күн бұрын
Yes because he wouldn't be able to watch her suffer the blood falling everywhere & her screams.
@Lalit02Dhanwani
@Lalit02Dhanwani 25 күн бұрын
there is no way he had to. because mariko would not have guts to go through it for 16 F years he know what littl p she is,
@varthelm
@varthelm 24 күн бұрын
Yes, both out of his respect and love for her and because he knew what it would mean to take her own life as a Christian. He stepped in to have her back when no one else would and to save her from damnation. Even if he had doubt in that belief, he knew she didn't.
@Lalit02Dhanwani
@Lalit02Dhanwani 24 күн бұрын
@@varthelm she is fake Christian as she never considered suicide a sin as it is in bible.
@GrantH2606
@GrantH2606 23 күн бұрын
Nobody would cut off their lovers head if they truly loved them
@yan-ikwld1497
@yan-ikwld1497 20 күн бұрын
CAN we say that it’s like Euthanasia ?
@vietcuongnguyenle8530
@vietcuongnguyenle8530 10 күн бұрын
She will do that for her culture anyway And watching your lover die in pain also is not love And don’t think about convince her stop suicide, the fact she insist to do that prove she put her country culture above everything else
@GrantH2606
@GrantH2606 10 күн бұрын
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 She put her countries dumbass culture above her own child and love for John which is what made her stupid imo
@hachidayo
@hachidayo Ай бұрын
This scene from the 1980 version  kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qNuIg6yUpr7WlJs.html
@waltlock8805
@waltlock8805 13 күн бұрын
I thought women went out with the sword through the throat (jigai?)
@nataliee.parker2873
@nataliee.parker2873 19 күн бұрын
Wondering why she tied her knees together... any particular reason?
@user-kf2jo7cq3p
@user-kf2jo7cq3p 18 күн бұрын
すぐ死ぬわけでは無いので、苦しんだ際に暴れて着物の裾が乱れて、足が出ないようにするためです。
@nataliee.parker2873
@nataliee.parker2873 17 күн бұрын
@user-kf2jo7cq3p ahhh, that makes sense. Thank you, for letting me know.
@olafoomes
@olafoomes 29 күн бұрын
Wrong title. It should read: Mariko almost commits seppuku. In Japanese culture JB would not have been the killer.
@jacquelyn1755
@jacquelyn1755 17 күн бұрын
Damn right
@borinacalzetta1394
@borinacalzetta1394 23 күн бұрын
Real Bushido
@tofton1977
@tofton1977 27 күн бұрын
Yeah, for me that way Mariko carry aronde her little knife and never get to use it is more comical than tragic, it doesn't work for me!
@kreuzerlau8817
@kreuzerlau8817 Ай бұрын
This is not seppuku, seppuku is to stab the belly , not the heart.
@aid-f
@aid-f Ай бұрын
For men it was the belly, but for women _Jigai_ could also be the throat or heart and can even be unassisted.
@benragnarsson7228
@benragnarsson7228 Ай бұрын
Only samurai men had the seppuku. Women stabed the hearth or fall into the dagger. Jigai was not a common practice.
@rebboy17
@rebboy17 Ай бұрын
That’s why this was labeled as suicide and why ishido didn’t won’t it to happen
@mimorisenpai8540
@mimorisenpai8540 Ай бұрын
​@@benragnarsson7228 don't forget tongue biting too
@coachChot8966
@coachChot8966 Ай бұрын
its Sempakku
@ggosever
@ggosever 10 күн бұрын
İs real history or fictional ?
@vietcuongnguyenle8530
@vietcuongnguyenle8530 10 күн бұрын
Half real half fictional Both The character is real and she really dead. But she dead before the anjin come to japan a little while ago
@Darklarik3
@Darklarik3 Ай бұрын
That 3:06 OUUUUUFFFFFF could be felt
@docholliday4546
@docholliday4546 29 күн бұрын
She didnt die like thia in the book!
@blackmantis3130
@blackmantis3130 29 күн бұрын
Neither in the show
@docholliday4546
@docholliday4546 29 күн бұрын
@@blackmantis3130 ishido blows a door and it flattens her!
@blackmantis3130
@blackmantis3130 29 күн бұрын
@@docholliday4546 i know. I watched the episode
@subhanusaxena7199
@subhanusaxena7199 Ай бұрын
Dude stop posting spoilers before most have seen the episode
@NarcolypticNinja
@NarcolypticNinja Ай бұрын
Oh no! We whom haven't probably don't even care. Like me for instance. Stop being a karen.
@rion-king
@rion-king 28 күн бұрын
If Season 1 of this work is modeled on the eve of Sekigahara, I would like Season 2 to create ``Winter Camp'' and ``Summer Camp'' based on the ``Battle of Sekigahara'', which was an internal conflict after unification. After the novel was completed, Game of Thrones quickly developed a script and produced additional seasons. It would be a shame if Shogun ended after season 1. The story is about to get interesting.
@VolkovVelikan
@VolkovVelikan 26 күн бұрын
There will be no second season this is based on the book and there is no second volume
@ScorpionKreitus
@ScorpionKreitus 29 күн бұрын
This is a remake from xogum movie 1980
@eumaies
@eumaies 21 күн бұрын
both are based on the same book
@dekuuchiha9990
@dekuuchiha9990 28 күн бұрын
Hodor'd instead
@lz4737
@lz4737 7 күн бұрын
I have enjoyed using Akechi to unify Japan in video games, lol
@YasonYou
@YasonYou 29 күн бұрын
She asks him to wait until she has fallen. I suspect she wanted to be unconcious before he attempts to behead her. He would have surely made a mess of it.
@Lalit02Dhanwani
@Lalit02Dhanwani 25 күн бұрын
they already planned this fake suicide drama last night they were screwing.
@theconsciousobserver6829
@theconsciousobserver6829 26 күн бұрын
Why was he so confident that he could one shot it? Wild ass
@user-qd8bt1hl9n
@user-qd8bt1hl9n 27 күн бұрын
女性が人前で自決する事は無い。ましてや切腹などあり得ない。
@I_SuperHiro_I
@I_SuperHiro_I 26 күн бұрын
That is a cross around her neck is it not?
@anthemsofeurope2408
@anthemsofeurope2408 25 күн бұрын
Yes it is. She converted to christianity. Thats what I found strange in this scene, because its forbidden for christians to commit suicide
@I_SuperHiro_I
@I_SuperHiro_I 25 күн бұрын
@@anthemsofeurope2408 I couldn’t think about anything else during the scene. Great writing, but uncomfortable to watch.
@fakename6658
@fakename6658 8 күн бұрын
Weirdest JAV ive ever seen but i managed to bust one out anyway.
@alessiomartini4496
@alessiomartini4496 23 күн бұрын
Mariko San is about to commit seppuku, but women in medieval Japan didn't pierce their hearts, they actually slit their own throats. So at this point the fiction is inaccurate.
@Kncperseus
@Kncperseus 24 күн бұрын
Just a question: here, Mariko recounts that her father was a good man who assassinated the boss of Toranaga's dead boss because the said guy was corrupt. I know the Big Boss her dad kills is based on Oda Nobunaga, the most famous Shogun to have ever lived. Question: though it is commonly believed that Nobunaga was eccentric and morally ambiguous, was he really corrupt?
@vietcuongnguyenle8530
@vietcuongnguyenle8530 10 күн бұрын
Nobunaga thoughts actually very advanced. In the perspective of japanese people, maybe he really look like a corrupted person because nobunaga action seem like having many influence of western people
@Rmn-6324
@Rmn-6324 27 күн бұрын
Why all movies are in the dark, I hate that, I don't look
@Lalit02Dhanwani
@Lalit02Dhanwani 25 күн бұрын
they run out of budget for better lighting
@user-si6fd6lw6e
@user-si6fd6lw6e Ай бұрын
This is completely wrong. Kaishaku is something that is done in response to seppuku. Women do not and cannot commit seppuku. So if she were allowed to commit suicide like in this video, she would die with a dagger to strike her heart. If she didn't die, someone else might have stabbed her to death. Her model, Hosokawa Gracia did not commit suicide, but had her family vassal stab her with his spear and kill her.
@LordKamos777
@LordKamos777 Ай бұрын
You're arguing with historical experts from Japan that were brought in for this show. One of the producers is Toranaga's actor who is ensuring it's as accurate as possible despite being dumbed down for western audiences.
@BullLRED
@BullLRED Ай бұрын
自殺はキリスト教で禁じられているため、家老の小笠原秀清(少斎)がガラシャを介錯し、遺体が残らぬように屋敷に爆薬を仕掛け火を点けて自刃した。辞世の句は「散りぬべき 時知りてこそ 世の中の 花も花なれ 人も人なれ」。 Wikipedia
@user-si6fd6lw6e
@user-si6fd6lw6e Ай бұрын
@@LordKamos777 様(sama) This is not something to argue. It's a common sense that all Japanese people have, except for people who aren't particularly interested in history. If anyone knows a unique example of a woman being kaishaku when she commits suicide, I would like to know more about it. There must have been many parts of the drama where even Sanada-san had to compromise.
@TheWarLizard
@TheWarLizard Ай бұрын
@@user-si6fd6lw6eexcept she is aiming for her heart. You see it the moment after the camera shifts when Ishido drops the permit. Nor is it valid to expect her to go out the same way as Gracia did as first and foremost - this is historical fiction. Hell Ochiba is supposed to be Chacha, who decidedly isn’t Nobunagas daughter but his sisters.
@BlackRiverStudios
@BlackRiverStudios Ай бұрын
If you really watched the show you wouldve seen 2:45...
@sushibar777
@sushibar777 28 күн бұрын
Samurai women did not commit "seppuku", which means cutting the belly. They would stab themselves in the throat. Not sure if they used "seconds" the way that men did either. Strictly speaking, a second was not necessary if a samurai carried out seppuku properly. However, as it was very painful, and required great commitment and willpower even for a dedicated samurai, it could be difficult to properly complete the act, so the custom of using a second, who would decapitate the person committing seppuku once they had begun the process of slitting open their abdomen became customary. Once the person had started the act, honor was served, and the second could decapitate them to end the pain and ensure the end came quickly. Attempting to cut off Mariko's head from behind here might be problematic. Her hair might create issues, possibly deflecting even a sharp sword before contacting the neck bones. It is also unlikely that Blackthorn would have had the skill and technique to carry out the procedure properly, even if he had been getting a few sword lessons. This is a deviation from the novel that was unnecessary, IMHO.
@goldenretrieversarethebest8119
@goldenretrieversarethebest8119 28 күн бұрын
its a tv show man. give it a break.
@yoshikomizushima1361
@yoshikomizushima1361 Ай бұрын
I am Japanese, "Seppku"(切腹) is only for Samurai, I believe and NOT for women. This is very very odd to us.
@user-wc4tn7il9x
@user-wc4tn7il9x Ай бұрын
女腹切と言うものがありましたよ。 切腹とは武士の誇りを守るものなので基本的に男性の行為ですが、大名や武士の妻が切腹した事例は幾つかあるそうです。
@thomasmain5986
@thomasmain5986 Ай бұрын
I am fairly sure Japanese woman commited suicide under certain circumstances, the only debate would be the word Seppku. It's not Seppku but it is a suicide.
@DankaiNoAtoshimatsu-ke5zm
@DankaiNoAtoshimatsu-ke5zm Ай бұрын
"Jigai" , kill oneself, was common among samurai-class ladies. They pierced their throat or heart as Mariko attempted. Otama or Gracia Hosokawa, model of Mariko did that.
@yoshikomizushima1361
@yoshikomizushima1361 Ай бұрын
@@DankaiNoAtoshimatsu-ke5zmAgree! ”Jigai " (自害;自殺)might be the right word for this, I guess. Not officially "Seppuku"
@wjm8353
@wjm8353 Ай бұрын
Didn’t know Japanese can write English
@fy1105
@fy1105 Ай бұрын
Wrong. ladies did not commit seppuku, it is only for Samurai. Samurai ladies kill themselves by the knife thrusting throat or heart. It is difficult for untrained person to cut off human head by sword. Unsightly and ugly beheading was a shame of the beheader and in this case he also had to kill himself because of this shame. So, Anjin second is impossible.
@Godzillakingofkaiju1
@Godzillakingofkaiju1 Ай бұрын
It happened in the book.
@kevinboyle538
@kevinboyle538 Ай бұрын
Oh, please do be quiet.
@kingjaw5565
@kingjaw5565 Ай бұрын
問題ない、歴史上女性も切腹してる
@mr.spongylikeaboss4987
@mr.spongylikeaboss4987 Ай бұрын
Okay, Weeaboo
@BlackRiverStudios
@BlackRiverStudios Ай бұрын
She wasnt commiting seppuku. The uploader doesnt know. Look at 2:45. Weeb.
@LeonNeuton
@LeonNeuton Ай бұрын
Nope she gets blown up!😢
@DrCruel
@DrCruel Ай бұрын
There's a little bit of Mariko on all of us.
@edzehoo
@edzehoo Ай бұрын
@@DrCruel tbh, I'd like to have a bit of myself on Mariko
@DrCruel
@DrCruel Ай бұрын
@@edzehoo That's what Buntaro said.
@edzehoo
@edzehoo Ай бұрын
@@DrCruel but Buntaro aint got none, cuz his Hatamoto's tappin' all of that ass. White privilege hell yeeahhhh
@dan6822
@dan6822 Ай бұрын
You know some of us have jobs and don't stay up until 1am to watch this, but you put spoilers in the title of your video. "Don't recommend this channel"
@Viktorreznov1942
@Viktorreznov1942 Ай бұрын
I have a job and I watched it. Maybe learn how to avoid spoilers
@dan6822
@dan6822 Ай бұрын
@Viktorreznov1942 good for you. How do you avoid spoilers when the first video on top of the screen has a spoiler in the title? Maybe learn to avoid being a dick.
@Viktorreznov1942
@Viktorreznov1942 Ай бұрын
@dan6822 First of all the title isn't entirely accurate, 2nd you can't expect anyone to stop posting spoilers, so if you don't want to see spoilers you have to avoid anything related to the show as soon as you see it, it's actually easy to just not read the title, and the easiest way altogether is to watch it as soon as it drops.
@DarkChestnut
@DarkChestnut Ай бұрын
女性は首では?
@iyi553
@iyi553 Ай бұрын
yes!
@kingjaw5565
@kingjaw5565 Ай бұрын
刑罰になかっただけで、自分で選んで選択することはあったらしいよ
@Otohimeurashima
@Otohimeurashima Ай бұрын
Blackthornの介錯は下手そうだから絶対失敗する。首を落とすのに9回ぐらい刀振りおとすことに😂 痛そうだから私なら絶対頼まない。
@earthling123
@earthling123 Ай бұрын
W
@user-df8ny6qi9y
@user-df8ny6qi9y 27 күн бұрын
虎永さまかいw
@redskins1120
@redskins1120 Ай бұрын
This is what she’s being wanting for the longest time and fails at it! Why the crying?
@aryabaditz3092
@aryabaditz3092 29 күн бұрын
Because not like before, now she relaise she have kid, she have jhon who cared her, even religion, n when it death so it kinda scare her,,
@marycasper3701
@marycasper3701 29 күн бұрын
Well last episode she mentioned how her wanting death all those years was to find a life away from the life she was living and now with John and her service to Toranaga she has found that life. Now that she is committing Sepoku she has to sacrifice the life she always wanted
@kael3691
@kael3691 29 күн бұрын
Because she found love. Right before this scene, John asks of her,”Would you then, consider, living for me.” The way she looks and breaths shows if that were a possibility, she would take it.
@ShizuokaJoe
@ShizuokaJoe 29 күн бұрын
Part of it (explained in the book) was that she had mentally made the commitment to kill herself, when suddenly Ishido arrives and pulls her back from the brink. Quite harrowing, I would imagine.
@tnsampson2
@tnsampson2 Ай бұрын
oh, please.......
@ijo1759
@ijo1759 29 күн бұрын
Japanese women don’t do seppuku, thus needed one to kaishyaku. 真田がついてるのに無作法なシーン
@oldsport4029
@oldsport4029 28 күн бұрын
What a pointless scene when literally 5min later she’s being blown up for standing in front of the door being blown up.
@rickbruner5525
@rickbruner5525 27 күн бұрын
The fact that she knew they were going to use explosives to open the door allowed her to place herself so she would be killed. The same as if she had committed suicide. The Shinobi were tasked not with killing her but capturing her to prevent her from leaving the next morning and allowing all of the other hostages to follow. This was Toranaga's plan that would allow the Lords who might support him against Ishido to do so without killing their entire families. Hiromatsu's death was part of the plan, he killed himself knowing that was what was required to make Ishido think that Toranaga was going to submit and give Mariko the time needed to destroy Ishido.
@oceanbreeze4361
@oceanbreeze4361 Ай бұрын
This crazy nuts rituals..death and own killing.
@nulldemokratiezwei7773
@nulldemokratiezwei7773 Ай бұрын
Very practical for the rulers, to have the subjects kill themselves when they have failed their lords... Never heard of a japanese lord who killed himself for treating his subjects poorly xD
@ZaiFuchigami
@ZaiFuchigami Ай бұрын
@@nulldemokratiezwei7773 Its not only about that. It's about honor and sacrifice.
@nulldemokratiezwei7773
@nulldemokratiezwei7773 Ай бұрын
@@ZaiFuchigami Well, how often do the rulers sacrifice themselves, when they have mistreated the people? And where is the honor in exploitation?
@Pdmc-vu5gj
@Pdmc-vu5gj 29 күн бұрын
​@@ZaiFuchigamiHumans are nuts
@dominusdone5023
@dominusdone5023 27 күн бұрын
@@ZaiFuchigamiwhat is ‘honor and sacrafice’ why do these ‘lord’ gets it but not the peasants when they are humans aswell. Honor and sacrafice is a lie considering the Japanese raped hundreds of thousands of women
@billdanosky
@billdanosky 29 күн бұрын
What a let down. I wish that interruption came 5 minutes later.
@aliwalil4160
@aliwalil4160 Ай бұрын
The movie makers have not even read the book.
@Chris-gm4hk
@Chris-gm4hk Ай бұрын
Seppuku soul mates. Completely ridiculous.
@KoflerDavid
@KoflerDavid Ай бұрын
There have been many cases where a close friend was the kanshakunin. Usually one chooses somebody that knows how to use a sword well. John would have butchered it (heh) and that would have caused the story to spread like wildfire, which would aid Toranaga's cause.
@usa7922
@usa7922 10 күн бұрын
Lololol
@user-si7so1kb5j
@user-si7so1kb5j 27 күн бұрын
This is ridiculous. Women cannot commit seppuku. No one can second her. Ep.8 was so good. But i was disappointed in ep.9.
@kira68200
@kira68200 Ай бұрын
really cool scene, but a women commiting ritual suicide in medieval japan would have sliced he jugular, here she was ogoing to open her belly
@ajbangme
@ajbangme Ай бұрын
Or the woman stabs their self in the heart, which she was aiming for. Shut up lol that’s why she asked to be seconded also. She was taking off her necklace and tying her knees together
@sciencetruth7756
@sciencetruth7756 Ай бұрын
If you watch she was going to stab herself in the heart
@kingjaw5565
@kingjaw5565 Ай бұрын
別に問題ない 吉村嘉六の娘・りつは、敵討ちをしたうえで、許しのない敵討ちの罪で自害する際切腹を選んだとされている
@kakkoishonen
@kakkoishonen Ай бұрын
nope she was not going to do seppuku but jigai. She was going to stab her heart. But as a female warrior herself she asked someone to second her.
@kira68200
@kira68200 Ай бұрын
@@kakkoishonen ho okay, thank you
@kristinesharp6286
@kristinesharp6286 12 күн бұрын
It is stupid. .
@darkstar5756
@darkstar5756 27 күн бұрын
도대체…. 이해가 않됨…. 왜 자꾸 죽을려고 하냐….
@micrhymer4062
@micrhymer4062 Ай бұрын
You don't have to watch
@deejin25
@deejin25 Ай бұрын
Best comment!
@goldenretrieversarethebest8119
@goldenretrieversarethebest8119 28 күн бұрын
thank you lol. too many people crying in the comments
@user-is2uy7tc7x
@user-is2uy7tc7x Ай бұрын
フジヤマ、ゲイシャ、ハラキリは日本文化です🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵🙏🙏🙏
@ajbangme
@ajbangme Ай бұрын
Japans culture is just something I’ll never try to understand or agree with. Life was nothing to them. They treated people like life points in a mario game because they had trust issues. Really shows how insecure they were that they had to play these toxic political games. I guess you could say tho that ochibas father was a mad king tho. In every aspect.
@wymg4480
@wymg4480 Ай бұрын
You mean olden Japan. You're not gonna see this shit nowadays. And all culture back in those days treat life like nothing. You killed and get brutalized by the smallest shit and its common. Ever watched vikings? Their culture makes japans look peaceful as hell.
@ajbangme
@ajbangme Ай бұрын
@@wymg4480 I mean you’re right but that doesn’t refute my opinion. IMO feudal Japan is something incomparable. I’m sure every culture has had their due diligence in treating life like shit. Comparing culture doesn’t mean you over look something else and say “it makes Japan seems peaceful” it is still something beyond my my imagination. So MY opinion still stands. 🤷🏽
@wymg4480
@wymg4480 Ай бұрын
@@ajbangme nah i aint overlooking them. each culture back in the day has crazy shit in their own right. japan's craziness is based off death being an honor to them. they rather die than live on in certain scenarios. meanwhile in vikings, they fight just to die because they believe only in combat could they reach valhalla. both sides disregard life in separate ways. its normal for us to not understand. afterall we grew up in a completely different time period and environment.
@xiphos14
@xiphos14 Ай бұрын
@@wymg4480 I am thinking about the reason for all this behaviour and why our view today is different. I guess it's the absence of death in our daily lifes, because of the easier conditions of life sustenance. In that time death was everywhere. Even bathing to long outside in cold water combined with other factors like malnutrition or exhaustion could bring you a cold that could put you to death. So maybe it's the wish to give your own inevitable death, what is a kind of daily affair, at least a kind of honorable status.
@KoflerDavid
@KoflerDavid Ай бұрын
​​@@xiphos14it also helps to keep in mind that this culture was something the warrior elite cultivated. It's not surprising to see copious amounts of death in this story because this is a power struggle at the highest level as the various sides try to prevail. They had to compete with each other and also with other power brokers in Japanese society like the Emperor and the Buddhist temples. This matter high internal cohesion necessary. It helps that Japan is in a very secluded position, which made sudden changes of their culture less likely than in other places in the world.
@stonethrower6065
@stonethrower6065 29 күн бұрын
In the US we have hotlines to call for this problem.
@jayturner7145
@jayturner7145 15 күн бұрын
And their useless asf
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