MARINE FIGHTING KNIFE HISTORY

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BLACKIE THOMAS

BLACKIE THOMAS

5 жыл бұрын

In response to a specification requesting a modern individual fighting knife design for the U.S. Marines, ordnance and quartermaster officials requested submissions from several military knife and tool suppliers to develop a suitable fighting and utility knife for individual Marines, using the U.S. Navy Mark 1 utility knife and existing civilian hunting/utility knives such as Western's L77 as a basis for further improvements.[1] Working with Union Cutlery, USMC Colonel John M. Davis and Major Howard E. America contributed several important changes, including a longer, stronger blade, the introduction of a small fuller to lighten the blade, a peened pommel (later replaced by a pinned pommel), a straight (later, slightly curved) steel crossguard, and a stacked leather handle for better grip.[1][2] The blade, guard, and pommel were coated with a non-reflective matte phosphate finish instead of the brightly polished steel of the original prototype.[1] The design was given the designation of "1219C2" (although commonly known as the Ka-Bar).[1] Notably, the Ka-Bar used a thicker blade stock than that of the USN Mark 1 utility knife, and featured a stout clip point.[1] After extensive trials, the Ka-Bar prototype was recommended for adoption.[21] The Marines' Quartermaster at the time initially refused to order the knives, but his decision was overruled by the Commandant.[7][8][9] The Marine Corps adopted the Ka-Bar on November 23, 1942.[2]
The Ka-Bar proved easy to manufacture; the first production run was shipped by Camillus Cutlery Company on January 27, 1943.[2] After the U.S. Navy became disenchanted with blade failures on the USN Mark 1 utility knife, the latter service adopted the Ka-Bar as the US Navy Utility Knife, Mark 2.[22] The Marine Corps in turn re-designated the Ka-Bar as either the USMC Mark 2 Combat Knife, or simply the Knife, Fighting Utility. In naval service, the knife was used as a diving and utility knife from late 1943 onward, though the stacked leather handle tended to rot and disintegrate rapidly in saltwater.
Two USMC officers using, in accord with service tradition, a Ka-Bar knife to lift a serving of cake they have just cut, in a Marine Corps birthday ceremony on a flight line in Pakistan.
The Marine Corps issued Ka-Bar fighting utility knife throughout Marine forces, with early deliveries going primarily to elite formations. In late 1943 the Ka-Bar replaced the Marine Raider Stiletto in service, a change welcomed by the Marines of Col. Edson's 1st Raider Battalion, who found the Raider stiletto ideal for silent killing but of little use for anything else.[18] As the knife went into large-scale production, the Marines issued the Ka-Bar Fighting Utility knife to reconnaissance and engineering units and to any Marine armed with the M1911 pistol, M1 carbine, BAR, or crew-served machine gun (rifle-armed Marines were typically issued a bayonet). Marines were often issued knives with "U.S.N. Mark 2" markings when Navy-issued Ka-Bar knives were all that was available.[2] By 1944 the Ka-Bar knife was issued to virtually any Marine in the combat branches who desired one, and was in use by Marine Corps close combat instructors for training new recruits.[23] Unlike the prior Marine Raider stiletto, Marines were taught to use their new knife primarily as a slashing weapon in the initial phases of hand-to-hand combat.[24]
As its new name implied, the "Knife, Fighting Utility" was designed from the outset as a dual-purpose knife: it was both an effective combat knife and a utility tool, well-suited to the type of jungle warfare encountered by Marines in the Pacific theater.[23] This dual-purpose design resulted in some initial criticism of the pattern as being less than ideal for knife fighting, but combat experience of returning veterans as well as reports from the battlefield dispelled doubts about its combat effectiveness.[23][25]
After the Second World War, the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps continued to use the Ka-Bar Fighting Utility knife. In addition to military contract knives, the knife was produced for the civilian market, and the pattern enjoyed some popularity as a general-purpose hunting and utility knife.[26]

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@itywhat6499
@itywhat6499 4 жыл бұрын
Great vid. I served 3 tours in VietNam in the '60s. I still have my 5" Camillus survival knife which I carried daily. I was a helicopter door gunner all 3 tours. I also have my 7" US Camillus, NY knife which stayed by my bed while I slept. Both have the original sheaths and the 5" still has the stone. The 5" is dated Mar 1966. They are still by my bed and will protect me till I die. Must be a PTSD thing...haha! Once again thanks for the vid. It was very interesting.
@blackoracle69
@blackoracle69 4 жыл бұрын
your welcome
@troymorris4590
@troymorris4590 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. I am a Marine Corps Viet Nam vet. I always had a " Kabar " with me while I was there and kept it razor sharp.
@jeffsmith6441
@jeffsmith6441 5 жыл бұрын
My dad is a Marine and was in Vietnam. He loved the KaBar. I wish he still had the same one he was issued during the war but he has replaced it with one that is just for show. Definitely an iconic knife.
@whtwolff658
@whtwolff658 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Blackie. Ive shared this with my nephew who LOVES Ka-Bar, well all knives and military history. 👍✌
@davidherrick6245
@davidherrick6245 5 жыл бұрын
Carried mine whenever is was deployed. Served me well and still does. GySgt/USMC-Ret. Semper Fi and thank you Blackie.
@monicajones8450
@monicajones8450 5 жыл бұрын
my primary knife is marine ka-bar. Love this knife. It does anything I ask of it. keeps a sharp edge and provides a bit of protection for me as well. Thanks for sharing history
@fightingmink
@fightingmink 5 жыл бұрын
One of my regrets is never getting one while I was serving in the Marine Corps.
@clydestamp6970
@clydestamp6970 3 жыл бұрын
"Notice the blood groove." Cat ceases to be heard..lol
@1337blackone
@1337blackone 4 жыл бұрын
great video absolutely love the channel! but its not a blood groove even if many call it that and it has nothing to do with suction or sticking its a structural design for strength, and rigidity love your percussion revolver content! keep the great stuff coming.
@stinkyfinn6977
@stinkyfinn6977 3 жыл бұрын
It's called a fuller traditonaly it's for lighting and stiffness, my guess they are their to make the knife Handel heavy as you want the weight their in a "fighting" knife rather than having the weight in the blade for chopping
@unclemark8939
@unclemark8939 3 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@AryDontSurf
@AryDontSurf 4 жыл бұрын
I bought a 64 Dodge Dart back in May, and I found one of these stuffed in the trunk. It's a great rig, the carbon steel stays real sharp.
@LionquestFitness
@LionquestFitness 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you blackie - I enjoyed that history lesson.
@markgibbs904
@markgibbs904 3 жыл бұрын
A friend of my dad's was a paratrooper in WWII. The handle on his KA-BAR as you pointed out was rotten leather. My dad turned a synthetic handle on a lathe for it and i polished it when I was 15. It was an heirloom for sure.
@mbarr1029
@mbarr1029 3 жыл бұрын
EXCELENT information, Thanks Blackie
@terryclark9603
@terryclark9603 2 жыл бұрын
Great knife carried one in the 70s 80s 90s into today .Ironman in Alabama 73s.
@juliohernandez6856
@juliohernandez6856 2 жыл бұрын
That one is the OKC which was Marine Corps issue to us in 85 thru 89 at least that’s my personal experience
@texashillbilly6148
@texashillbilly6148 5 жыл бұрын
Another informative video Blackie! Thanks!
@itywhat6499
@itywhat6499 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Blackie. I never knew the history of this knife. Carried mine during 3 tours in Vietnam as a Helicopter Door-Gunner along with my Camillus pilot survival knife. It served me well and I still have it. Don't use it as a bushcraft knife, but as protection as I hike and camp in the Rockies. Maybe I should store it as a collectible memento.
@ed5042
@ed5042 5 жыл бұрын
thanks for the video, as always, now I have to search your videos again for the bushcraft knives!
@mikepreslar8686
@mikepreslar8686 2 жыл бұрын
I have one I inherited that was carried in the WWII Pacific Campaigns by a Marine. I am amazed how sharp it stays. I don't use it for 'Bushcraft', it's an heirloom and a fighting knife.
@jasonhoyt8232
@jasonhoyt8232 5 жыл бұрын
Good video as always. This is an example of "form equals function". Its design is good for its intended purpose.
@lessage760
@lessage760 5 жыл бұрын
Loved the video great info thank you sir
@martiniflips1063
@martiniflips1063 3 жыл бұрын
i just love og knowledge 🙏🏼
@linklesstennessee2078
@linklesstennessee2078 5 жыл бұрын
Good information blackie
@ji7584
@ji7584 Жыл бұрын
Great information 👍
@charlescomly1
@charlescomly1 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this history of the USMC FIGHTING KNIFE, my dad was given a k - bar by a friend and later lost it. A few years later I found a USMC FK made by CASE, I was kind of upset because he was disappointed the knife wasn't made by k-bar. Now you have provided my with satisfaction that k - bar wasn't the only manufacture of the fighting knife.
@blackoracle69
@blackoracle69 5 жыл бұрын
true..i know several made them..often the war dept issued a contract for X amount of this pattern of knife..and several companies would bid..low bid won..and made the knifes
@xdusty1165
@xdusty1165 5 жыл бұрын
Good video blackie
@MichaelR58
@MichaelR58 5 жыл бұрын
Blackie, thanks for sharing !
@bladecollector7
@bladecollector7 5 жыл бұрын
Very cool thanks for sharing
@ChathamJackTar
@ChathamJackTar 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Thank you.
@scottm6927
@scottm6927 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video. Glad I found your channel. Grew up in Enterprise and enlisted in the Marine Corps back in 88. We were issued Ka-bars for field ops and they were usually Camillus made. I acquired my own, Ka-bar brand, towards the end of my enlistment and treasure it. My mentor always felt that a man should own and be able to use well, a 1911, a Ruger Blackhawk 4 5/8 convertible 45, a good bolt gun, a scatter gun, a Ka-bar and a Case yellow-handled trapper pocket knife. Anyways, looking forward to watching your video list and learning from you.
@jeffnotti9932
@jeffnotti9932 5 жыл бұрын
hey blackie i have a small kabar my dad had in WWII in europe, it is aprox, 7.75 in over all length, with a 4 and 1/8 blade x 5/8th x 5/32... it is an awesome knife.. i first became aware of the knife when my dad too me fishing when i was a boy.. (first fishing trip, first boat ride) we were cutting bait with it. .. For a long time dear old dad would not let us have the knife it was something that was his. Now i have the knife and i love it and keep it in deference to him. It keeps an edge great and is an awesome blade to keep handy. it has a leather scale, with a mahogany heel and a metal butt cap with no visible tang. you can (pound Naaaa) tap something aggressive with it but it is too small for nails I would say it is the ultimate steak knife LOL. I wouldn't say your first video was negative at all I got your point. But after seeing this video i would now say the first one was still good but incomplete. I like your assessment and history of a classic knife. I am not a proponet of beating on a knife trough a 8" log with a 9" blade with a well form club like "Primitive Pete"... See for your enjoyment and entertainment i think you'll get a kick out of it.. J kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nK2bgrKlyZmrnY0.html
@huntercollum869
@huntercollum869 3 жыл бұрын
My first good quality knife was a kabar as well started quite a collecting habit
@bawidamann939
@bawidamann939 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice video, I've just got the ka bar modified tanto 1266 it has an 8 inch blade.
@SeanJohnson-qm4pu
@SeanJohnson-qm4pu 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the knife for what it is, as a kid I had a couple of these and they just don't hold up and eventually loosen and fall apart but they definitely helped get me into blades. Not a go to or heirloom nessescarly but historically significant. I've broken a few and given a couple away to friends. For the money I'd recommend a BK7 instead or ESEE 6, equally capable infantry knife with the added plus of bushcraft.
@Ozarkwonderer
@Ozarkwonderer 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. I have one and have to say i actually like it for bushcraft.
@blackoracle69
@blackoracle69 5 жыл бұрын
it served me well in my early days..yes the design isnt really great for all the jobs..but with a bit of skill and dirt time..it will do a good job
@D5quared91
@D5quared91 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, Blackie! Have you ever heard of the French made Douk-Douk knife? I just bought one and like it a lot, you should try one!
@blackoracle69
@blackoracle69 5 жыл бұрын
i have not..i will look it up
@ricev7071
@ricev7071 5 жыл бұрын
I love the Ontario 498 Kabar, it's a great knife. I use it more than the Kabar 1217 because it dulls quickly and I dropped it by accident from my nightstand which is only 3 ft high off the ground, and my Kabar had a small dent in the blade which took me hours to get rid of. My Ontario is way better and the cutting edge is thicker than a Kabar which is less likely to get dents in the blade whether chopping or accidentally dropping it. I Love my Ontario and will buy another if anything happens to the one I have now.
@MemphisMojo
@MemphisMojo Жыл бұрын
I was looking for information on Kbar “Marine 5 th division, arrowhead” folding knife. Do you know anything about the history of the knife. Thank you
@mandosandradios
@mandosandradios 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent
@recycled3654
@recycled3654 5 жыл бұрын
There's a reason the Kabars were kept in the armoury and not allowed to be withdrawn like rifles, machine guns and mortars when headed to the field, I saw 3 broken within 15 minutes in a impromptu throwing contest.
@blackoracle69
@blackoracle69 5 жыл бұрын
yes i have heard many vets talk of using them for all sorts of uses..not covered i nthe field manual..lol
@juliohernandez6856
@juliohernandez6856 2 жыл бұрын
Every time I got my machine gun I got my kabar too. We did abuse them though.
@mainemountainman3743
@mainemountainman3743 5 жыл бұрын
I picked up one of those for my collection at "believe it or not" a yard sale for $1.25. It's stamped Camillus NY. I wonder what steel was used in making the blade?
@johnpanos2332
@johnpanos2332 3 жыл бұрын
i have a ww2 knife stamped u.s. navy. is there a u.s.marine stamp on the blade? do the marines paychecks still have dept. of navy printed on them?
@Thereal111t
@Thereal111t 5 жыл бұрын
Ka-bar recently put out a series of videos on the history of the company. It’s not centered around this knife but rather the overall history of the companies inception and changes over the years. I personally live in Olean NY in the former home of a ww2 veteran and long time cutco/ka-bar employee. (Indeed his dress uniform is still up in the attic.) it’s a fascinating history. This region of southwestern NY and northwestern PA has some big names including Ka-bar, Ontario and Case which are all within an hour’s drive. Each of these companies make a version of the marine knife.
@blackoracle69
@blackoracle69 5 жыл бұрын
it truly is a icon of a knife..
@Thereal111t
@Thereal111t 5 жыл бұрын
BLACKIE THOMAS kzfaq.info/get/bejne/htSan6he3LaYlI0.html
@blackhatbushcraft
@blackhatbushcraft 5 жыл бұрын
Very good presentation and history summary of an iconic knife. I own a few of these and they are good knives for their purpose, but I wholeheartedly agree, they are not the ideal woodsman's knife. They can do the job like any blade can, there are just so many better options for that purpose. I still think any collection should have a t least one Kabar or USMC fighting style knife. Thanks for sharing my friend!
@azvoltmanphoenix446
@azvoltmanphoenix446 5 жыл бұрын
1- blackie thomas 2- bob hansler
@tomservo3401
@tomservo3401 2 жыл бұрын
Idk if I would go so far as to say a kabar is a bad bushcraft knife. My mark 1 I think is an excellent bushcraft companion to my camp hatchet. It’s not an all in one tool like my favorite knives my tops Longhorn bowie or scar blades papa bear but I love the somewhat compact design with a beefy handle gives it great control when whittling, carving, screwing around. Not the best but for $80. I should add ive owned the mark 1 and 2. Nothing wrong with the mark 2 but I prefer the flat grind of the mark 1 plus I like it’s shorter. Carry it in public and not get nervous glances like I would my tops or scar blade beasts.
@markisaacs4398
@markisaacs4398 5 жыл бұрын
I agree great for self defense but always in my bug out bag!
@williamhawes7931
@williamhawes7931 4 жыл бұрын
The use of the term GP brought back memories of other terms used for military expendable items. The term for direct exchange was DX. You know the rest of the story.
@blackoracle69
@blackoracle69 4 жыл бұрын
yep ..safe journeys
@Japanese_moped_guy
@Japanese_moped_guy 3 жыл бұрын
What would you say a fair price for a Vietnam era Ontario mk.2 fighting knife is these days?
@sixshootertexan
@sixshootertexan 5 жыл бұрын
Same thing with the 1911 and Garand made by a lot a different companies. They had to to keep up with demand.
@blackoracle69
@blackoracle69 5 жыл бұрын
yep and the funny one is that the m1 garand made by winchester was the worst!!..they stoped production that why they are such sought after collectors today..
@DanielA-nl9nv
@DanielA-nl9nv Жыл бұрын
I think you hit on a lot of the missing history, and the politics behind the knife that a lot of people don't talk about.
@c.e.jarvis1512
@c.e.jarvis1512 5 жыл бұрын
Semper Fi Blackie.
@blackoracle69
@blackoracle69 5 жыл бұрын
semper fi sir!!
@cloudraker100
@cloudraker100 5 жыл бұрын
Disposable, same as the mora use in Scandinavia. Similar features too. Not a coincidence.
@blackoracle69
@blackoracle69 5 жыл бұрын
yep..its a design that serves well ..can be mass produced easly..and is very cost effective
@josephb7460
@josephb7460 5 жыл бұрын
I have a knife that looks just like the one you are showing. It is a Camilus. I have had it about 40 yrs. I love my knife, and i keep it wicked sharp. I take it hunting and fishing for this and that. And if necessary, i can take care of business quite nicely. I do not use it for bushcraft. It was not made for that. I have had it for so long that if i broke it i might cry...........
@blackoracle69
@blackoracle69 5 жыл бұрын
oh i know old gear like that is a cherished friend..
@billpullen3009
@billpullen3009 5 жыл бұрын
Check out the Navy WW2 knife.
@justinprather4760
@justinprather4760 4 жыл бұрын
Love your vids but you need correcting on this. It's not a blood groove, it's a fuller, and it's not for reducing suction. Quite simply fullers existed on swords and knives to lighten blades and draw balance points back. If you stick sharp metal in soft meat it's coming out no matter what. Getting stuck on thrusts is really only common with swords and that's because they're long enough to run a man clear through, this would mean as the one stabbed fell the blade may go with him before you can recover your thrust.
@bowlofrice8
@bowlofrice8 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the cutco kabar
@zednotzee7
@zednotzee7 5 жыл бұрын
Bowie ( or more correctly, James Black ) didn't invent the clip point you know. It had been around for rather a long time before either of them existed. And the Ka Bar isn't really wide enough to qualify as a Bowie knife either tbh. or to put it another way, all Bowie knives are clip points,but not all clip points are Bowie knives. :)
@bowlofrice8
@bowlofrice8 4 жыл бұрын
The usmc kabar might not be a very good bushcraft knife but the kabar USN mk1 is a pretty good bushcraft knife
@MrGreenLeaf420
@MrGreenLeaf420 5 жыл бұрын
That darn cat 🐈
@jasonmorris2813
@jasonmorris2813 Жыл бұрын
I got the civilian edition which don't have US MC on it it has a dog with a patch on his eye 🤷
@ibmoosed
@ibmoosed 5 жыл бұрын
Band-Aid, Q-tip, Kleenex,Ka-Bar
@FrontierLegacy
@FrontierLegacy 5 жыл бұрын
Fullers are there to reduce weight but not strength, not to reduce suction.
@blackoracle69
@blackoracle69 5 жыл бұрын
actually in a old war time production movie reel i saw many yrs ago they were showing the knives being made and the fullers were where the vice locked onto the blade..to allow the device to sharpen the blade with spinning wheels.the knive was set inthe the blocks i nthe vice clamped and then the knife tipped forward under the wheels..sparks flew..then back out pop free and another blande was set in place high speed
@FrontierLegacy
@FrontierLegacy 5 жыл бұрын
@@blackoracle69 that may be. But the reasons for fullers even existing, even back to the middle ages on swords and daggers is to reduce weight while keeping the blade ridged.
@tomritter493
@tomritter493 5 жыл бұрын
Lol yup not a true Kabar but they were made by smith corona typwriters too lol like you said a monequer. Hung on it ! To be truthful I'd dinner Ontario then the new Kabar made great history lesson ! Take care brother
@blackoracle69
@blackoracle69 5 жыл бұрын
thanks brother
@stevanoutdoor
@stevanoutdoor 5 жыл бұрын
'Western' was another company that made them for a while and these are pretty rare and therefor valuable. They needed large quantities quick so many companies joined this military contract to make these knives. Some models were even made for special units with some different sheaths I believe. You are right about the part where the tang meets the blade being a weak spot and also the tip broke of frequently when opening ammunition crates. But they were disposable knives indeed. Some got creative and made it into a shorter blade. If you take into account the purpose of the knife and that it had to be cheap and mass produced it really did/does the job. At least you did get a knife. All we got over here is the SAK soldier pocket knife. No fixed blade at all.
@ivanyankov3152
@ivanyankov3152 2 жыл бұрын
End of the day there aways will be someone who will annoying that is not good knife because it has a weak spot,and it has limitations. Why?! Because you can't chop tree limbs and batoning wood?! Come on! Go and buy an axe for those purposes, the knife is for cutting and utility uses. People create the axe thousand years ago for different uses,and the knife for others so,we don't need to find the hot water over again. Ka-Bar is a good knife, if it was not they won't produce it over 70 years now.
@RobertoDonatti
@RobertoDonatti 5 жыл бұрын
"Blood grooves" There's no such thing, those grooves are called "fullers" and their purpose is to lighten the blade. Just that. There's been fullers on blades since the middle ages.
@blackoracle69
@blackoracle69 5 жыл бұрын
yep they also were used to set the blade in the vice to sharpen at the factory
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