remember in Orion society the men are the real slaves, the so called Orion slave girls rule with their pheromones and pretend to be slaves to lower alien males defences So as an Orion male he's probably spent his life being told what to do by women using chemaicls to enforce their will on him regardless of his personal desires!

Same with his reaction at 0:56, like he's thinking, "wait, we actually break that stereotype?"

thats all anyone wants to be more then what they seem

It's also a VERY Lower Decks conclusion to the episode. Perfection

Once he realizes he's going to get the credit, he looks like he's trying not to squee like a much more softspoken version of Tendi.

And i love that everyone is freaking out except for Ortega, she seems to be enjoying it

@@MegaWetwilly And What about M'Benga reaction to 2D orion hurricanes with delaq...?????What the hell is in these things? I am yet laughing at it!

@@AmarashikiDCliffordtqpolyvac He should take one to sickbay and run tests on it. The only question I have is where Dr Boyce is the CMO?

Well, Mariner was right, those orion hurricanes really do mess you up.

This implies that the crew of the Cerritos (maybe even everyone in the 24th century) is constantly trashed on alien liquor 😂😂 my new favorite headcannon

He's done with two chaotic grimlins he doesn't need four chaos grimlins running around his ship and messing with the whole of time

@@Arvyn992 I WOULD'VE like to have seen the other 2 in real life, tho....even for a second.

@@samsignorelli That would be a little difficult to get the likeness of the Rutherford character to match the voice actor. They did a good job with Newsome and Quaid as Boimler and Mariner and Noël Wells would certainly do well as Tendi. But Eugene Cordero's physical structural likeness would be the most difficult.

yeah total meme-bait, but let's take it...

@@Arvyn992 gremlins*

DANG BRO THATS I DIDNT EVEN NOTICE THAT!

Why? They'd have to let them out of the loonie-bin first because they had to be nuts to come up with this. I didn't say 'unsuccessful' mind you, just nuts.

That might be why they're on strike. :-S

It was actually Alex Kurtzman who came up with it.

​@@skoshman1 you're making the old mistake of confusing insanity of creativity (although "let's make a crossover between two shows that are both in the same franchise" doesn't a lot of creativity; the execution does). Also crazier things happened before.

That's what they're on strike for!

Also I believe Pike's smile is him knowing that, in 120 years, the Federation will be in good hands with officers like Ensign Boimler.

@@zathras This. He is seeing the fruits of his labor and sacrifice (that he is already aware of) in this moment.

He gave him knowledge that he has a great legacy and is revered in the future regardless of how it turns out for him, and they both seem to like him.

They really didnt play part of pirates, first encounter Pike armed his weapons and was ready to fire at any second, what did they do? warp the hell out of there for their safety, next encounter they wanted to show a sign of trust and traded which is a major sign of peace for orions. This encounter they were simply called there and accepted their message. Over all they were playing tough out of fear, think about people attacking you base on your race thinking your a savage. While in reality your a big nerd who just wants to study plants and animals. they were just acting carful out of safety.

@@Fourtytwo4242 I think there was also a certain standard within Orion society to be ruthless and aggressive, and that he felt he had to play up to it

In Star Trek Enterprise, it was alluded that the Orion females control the males with their pheromones; which is why the males did most if not all of the work. I wondered how Tendi controlled hers without controlling the males on the USS Cerritos?

​@L.S.Stephens3 Starfleet medical could have provided a supplement similar to the nasal agent that Vulcans use.

too bad they didn't listen

He is definitely not ready for that much more oddball energy today.

And the way he waves at the other two, as if to say "Just get the hell out of here."

And in that moment Captain Pike leap frogged over Kirk, Archer, Picard and even Freeman in the Star Trek 'I'm the Captain and the parent' rankings

and yet nothing changed....orions are still only known as pirates even when one of the lower decks friend is an orion...resolved nothing

As it was always meant to be. Timeline is safe..........for now

The Original Series!

@@thesidneychan Yes. The inside joke for most of the pre-internet knowing about the Original Series called it "TOS" to distinguish it from TNG on including DS9, VOY, and later DSC, PIC, and SNW. The meta joke in this episode is winking at TOS by saying "Those Old Scientists" because the cast of the Cerritos in LD had kept referring to the "TOS" period. Eventually, as seen here, Mariner and Boimler finally talk about it many episodes later.

The guy who played him is most well known for being the main antagonist of the video game Far Cry 5 (and it's expansion/sequel DLC). Joseph Seed.

@@bigpoppa1234 Oh no....

@@bigpoppa1234 He Also plays in the Expanse ...a martien name Lopez....small role but i liked him...wish he had more. Was happy to see him in Star Trek

@@bigpoppa1234 he finally get to play a role that isnt a villain

Maybe we’ll get to see tendi’s great grandmother too!

Not as much as WHAT was said but HOW it was said. 😄

best line ever

I don't know, but it's GREEN.

It's like something Hermes Conrad from Futurama would say.

At least it wasn't *all* green.

*@blueskybelyr --* As I Replied on another Comment, some live-play translations between LD-animation would be easy; while others, far more difficult... *;)* 1.) *_Eugene Cordero_* could _easily_ live-played Samathan Rutherford. Whether they would use a physical prothesis for Rutherford's cybernetic implant (a la Jeri Ryan, aka Seven of Nine) or CG-animate it in, is debatable. 2.) *_Noel Wells_* would have be far more difficult for live-play portrayal, because while D'Vana Tendi is as animated as close to Wells in Real Life as possible, Wells is *NOT* Tendi's (animated) height and build; so what would have be a needlessly complicated (physical) portrayal issue. 3.) *_Dawnn Lewis_* live-playing Captain Carol Freeman is also more nebulous. Like [Wells &Tendi], Captain Freeman is also broadly animated as close to Lewis as possible. But like [Wells & Tendi], Lewis does not match Captain Freeman for height in terms animation vs. Real Life; though I am certain Lewis does have the same (physical) build as Captain Freeman, but definitely not the hairstyle (though that is far more solvable, of course).

@@pendrake40 None of that matters. Ransom and Shaxs are shown to be considerably taller than Boimler and Mariner, whose actors are 6'0 and 5'9 respectively. That would make half the bridge crew about 8 feet tall. Some wiggle room in canon is permitted for fun purposes.

They really do. This worked so well.

​@blueskybelyr the portal thingy does weird stuff to their heights/ bodies. That's all they need to say.

The problem was the voice actors for Tendi and Rutherford look nothing like their characters lol

Spoilers for the end of season 4: If they do another crossover and bring in Tendi, I'd love to see her meet her great grandmother. The poor woman will not be happy to see her family turning into the pirates she wanted to prove her people are better than.

*obsirves eyes*

@@redrasegarden "What the hell is in these things?!"

@@hpa2005 XD

@@redrasegarden I had to :)

@@hpa2005 they do kinda look huge

Poor time police; They hate those. #DS9

That's certainly how you sell it to the Department of Temporal Investigations when you get home.

I believe that it was Janeway, during an episode of Voyager, who mentioned that when time is involved there are occasions where effect precedes cause.

A Closed Time Loop. They were always meant to go back to ensure that Orions got the credit for finding the portal.

@@tranz2deep She said something similar to that to Paris in, if memory serves, "Parallax". I want to say her expression was: "One of the more difficult concepts to grasp with time travel is that sometimes effect precedes cause."

I actually think it would've been great if he actually cussed but they bleeped it out like Lower Decks! 🙂

Why irs that

@@TIG5574 Doctor T'Ana would approve XD

"Well, what do you know? I finally got the last word." Couldn't resist.

@@Potrimpo immediately what I thought of.

The meta-humor of this episode rivals Trials and Tribble-lations.

a unexpected discover in star trek lore but it answers so many questions about the Lower Decks series.

@@orrthehunter It's fine! You don't want to try and fly a California class Starships without a round or two in you to settle the nerves.

yep, Orion booze will have you seriously tripping balls

Star Trek's number 1 couple.....I'll see myself out

@@bemasaberwyn55Ugh take my thumbs up

​@@bemasaberwyn55take my thumbs up too😂

It adds a bit of... *ahem*, mystique to the story.

@@thegrimmretails3777 Yeah but O'Connell can just slider on in

What'd he think?

Lower decks appeals to me because of the ship designs I mean the California class is just so pretty I’d actually buy one if I could and cruise around

It's because it's the real voice actors

Even funnier is when you realise that Ransom is voiced by the husband of Rebecca Romijn. I can picture it now: "You'd better say that line calling me hot as if you bloody well mean it, or you're sleeping with the dog tonight."

@@daviddavies3637i hadnt even thought of that lolol this is amazing

​@JaidRose Yes, but often voice actors are cast for _only_ their voice, they don't actually resemble their characters. Look through the IMBD page of a lot of animated stuff. This was different in that the voice actors were cast as if they were playing live action, or prehaps the animators used the actors as inspiration.

@@casbot71InkSuit Actor is the trope name.

Not seen one episode of lower decks yet, this was really good and makes me want to watch it

Regardless of your bias, your are very much right on this, and as a person new to Startrek thanks to lower decks I can say this was definitely on hell of an episode!

I always assumed Mariner would become captain like her mom, with Boimler as her commander aka shenanigan minder.

I'm going to bet that he is going to mature some what. Remember this is 2380 who knows where he'll be in 20 years if he stays in Starfleet. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a live action series set in the Picard era Just so we can see where those 2 and the others do wind up

Mariner has the chops to be a captain. That's been stated over and over that everyone in her class expected her to be the 1st 1 to make it instead of Ramsey. Her issue among others is that frankly she doesn't wanna deal with the mickey mouse BS that goes along with the job. Remember her quote. ;" You know what ? I do get off on breaking protocol. I'm good it's always space machines exploring strange new worlds and kicking butt. Protocol is for people who need to be told what to do which I don't " In other words mariner is Kirk like . Because everybody knows James Kirk broke protocol every damn chance he got. The problem is You can't do that in that era of Starfleet.

​@@louistaplin4665 Well, that, or she has another reason for wanting to avoid responsibility at all costs. Something that even she might not entirely understand.

Obviously they'll both be captaining their own ships in the future! From there they'll go farther into Star Trek history

Well, her great-grandmother wouldn't necessarily be identical... and also I'm pretty sure she's the woman standing to the Orion captain's right next to the portal.

*@pigeonbass11 --* Right..? It would have been even more impressive. But that being said... *;)* 1.) On one hand... *_Eugene Cordero_* could have _easily_ live-played Samathan Rutherford. Whether they would use a physical prothesis for Rutherford's cybernetic implant (a la Jeri Ryan, aka Seven of Nine) or CG-animate it in, is debatable. 2.) On the other hand... *_Noel Wells_* would have been far more difficult for live-play portrayal, because while D'Vana Tendi is as animated as close to Wells in Real Life as possible, Wells is *NOT* Tendi's (animated) height and build; so what would have been a needlessly complicated (physical) portrayal issue.

@@pendrake40 Noel's hair is also pretty long, and it'd be difficult doing Tendi's short side cut. wigs can only do so much

@@Graniteheart -- That depends upon whether Noel Wells' (D'Vana Tendi) hair is Princess Leia (Carrie Fisher) level long, or if Wells is Fisher-level stubborn about said hair(s). *;)* I _(purely speculative)_ think that if Wells height and build were close(r) enough to live-portray Tendi, that Wells probably would have (voluntarily) taken the hairstyle hit and gone with the full Tendi hairstyle-cut & -coloring, in order to bring Tendi onto the live-play screen. And who knows..? With (relatively) successful de-aging technology from *[Captain Marvel (2019) film]* and Fantasy Dwarves from the *[Middle Earth film franchise],* we may see such live-portrayal in future LD-SNW CrossOvers... *:)*

@@pendrake40 Wells would probably need an earlier call for her makeup. All exposed flesh would need to be green unless they are going to CGI her appearance but that will be a first class pain. One thing I found out from Lucifer, is the tracking markers keep falling off, and probably uncomfortable on the face.

Woulda been so dope if they got Wells to be in live action with everyone expecting her to be Tendi…only to instead reveal that she was playing her ancestor.

not much subtly you can convey with a line for a mouth

Lol I'm the opposite, this made interested in watching snw after season 4 of Ld, my only gribe with this cross over, no live action dolphin officer's

Lower Decks is wonderful. It's got a genuine, sincere love for the franchise amongst all the slapstick comedy antics - the amount of deep-cut references in its jokes is crazy.

@@philiphunn194 Definitely didn't expect to love Lower Decks as much as I did. But it's such a loving parody with a lot of heart while at the same time also being a really good Star Trek show to boot.

definitely happens in the interim between seasons 3 and 4 of Lower Decks. hell, in the trailer for season 4 that was released yesterday, Mariner says to Boimler "this is nothing compared to that thing with Pike that we can't talk about."

2381 according to Boimler's stardate

To get nerdy, based on the stardate this immediately follows the episode Hear All, Trust Nothing in thr third season.

@@giftheck yep, it takes place between the visit to DS9(Hear All, Trust Nothing) and the Peanut Hamper centric episode(A Mathematically Perfect Redemption)

Nope, but is that a thing?

@@redrasegarden I believe they call it absinthe

@@lotrofan5 interesting

😂😂❤❤

Make sense since he's a medical officer lol

I'd love an episode where Tendi goes back in time and meets her great grandmother. She'd be so disappointed that her family is full of the kinds of criminals her species is stereotyped as.

trying, then getting laid out with one punch(given that Una has displayed Vulcan level strength, if not greater)

@@Graniteheart Ransom is his own great-great-grandpa.

@@CaptainBardielRoswell That Ends Well

@@CaptainBardiel He did do the nasty in the pasty.

I don't think that'll be as possible since unlike the voice actors for Boimler, Mariner, Tendi, and Rutherford, half the actors don't really look the same as their animated counterparts (mainly Shaxs and Ransom).

Well i most certainly do and considering the success this episode had im sure its very possible although it might not be done the same way in fact it would be so cool if there is a next time for it to be Reversed where the SNW crew crosses over into the LD universe ❤❤

Shame the VAs don't all match their characters. I'd love to see Shax cause mayhem in some fight with the Enterprise crew thinking "noted, all security officers in the future are fucking crazy."

Twice would be overdoing it. But a cross over with a different show would be awesome, like Prodigy.

Shame prodigy got canned :(