Eating Snow or Ice - Hike and a Coffee Series

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Mark Young

Mark Young

4 ай бұрын

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Eating snow (or ice)
▪ Always better to melt snow first (another video)
▪ Daily water requirement (all sources) up to 4L and increases during exertion
▪ Dehydration will lead to reduced mental cognition, reduced physical capacity resulting in poor decisions and potential for injury
▪ Better to eat snow if no liquid source of water is available
▪ Eating snow will not lower core body temperature significantly
▪ All but impossible to swallow large amount of snow
▪ Air to water ratio is between 5:1 and 10:1 (10L of snow for 1L of water)
▪ You will need to consume between 20L and 40L or more of snow each day
▪ Find the cleanest snow you can
▪ Avoid non-white snow or ice
▪ May have pathogens on it
▪ May have pollutants from the air
▪ Scrap top layer off
The Math
o 468 Calories to raise 40L (snow) to 37C from 0C
▪ 1calorie to raise 1gram water by 1degree Celsius
▪ 1 Calorie (kilocalorie) = 1000 calories
▪ therefore it takes 1C to raise 1kg by 1 degree
▪ 80c to melt 1gr snow to water at 0 degree Celsius
▪ it takes 37c to raise 1 gran ofwater from 0 to 37 celcius
▪ 80c + 37c = 117c per gram of ice/snow
▪ 1L water = 1Kg water
▪ 40L snow = 4L water = 4Kg water
▪ 117Calories to raise 1 Kg to 37C
Resources
• Eating Snow with Wilde...
• Don't Eat Snow Another...
boreal.net/articles/cold-weat...

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@Addy-ft4ps
@Addy-ft4ps 4 ай бұрын
Hi Mark. Interesting chat. I remember eating snow as a child- we always looked for the whitest snow and even dug down for it. I don't ever recall anyone getting sick, but the air was probably cleaner. I find that drinking something ice cold after snowshoeing or skiing is way more satisfying and thirst quenching than drinking something hot. That was always something that we enjoyed after we changed out of our damp clothes. I wouldn't consider eating snow now, however, unless it was an emergency. Blessings.
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Right on. I remember those days as well. Thanks for commenting
@thedriftingspore
@thedriftingspore 4 ай бұрын
Years ago my Dad and a good friend were deer hunting and Dads friend got hopelessly lost. Being November there was just patches of snow in the woods. Dad’s friend was not ready to spend a night in the woods and panicked, He kept walking all night picking up handfuls of the patchy snow as he went and eating it. The next day he walked out on to a paved road and was saved by someone driving by. He survived. However a couple days later he became very sick. I mean like in the hospital for weeks very nearly didn’t make it sick from a bug he picked up and ingested in the snow he had eaten. For this reason I am always telling my kids to never eat snow recreationally and try to teach them what to look for when you have no other options. Great topic Mark and great information. Thank you for sharing!
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Wow. what a story. Really on point. When I was a kid I drank water from streams all the time. The "wisdom" of the day was that is the water was moving, it was safe. Thanks for commenting Steve
@joeparsons1191
@joeparsons1191 4 ай бұрын
I fantastic video and good information and enjoy this type of video keep up the good work
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
More to come! Thanks for commenting
@jacqueline7118
@jacqueline7118 4 ай бұрын
Loved this discussion Mark! I am in most instances a science based individual and have worked in a science based field all my working career. I personally agree with you 100% from a survival standpoint. Dehydration is a killer and it can happen fast. Even slightly dehydrated and thoughts may not be as clear as normal. There have been experienced people die from dehydration because of that. Another consideration is electrolyte balance and it is why I carry them with me. That is a complicated system but anyone who is interested should research it. :) Here in Nova Scotia the chances of being lost for long periods is not likely. I would for that reason not worry about eating snow or ice or even directly drinking from a water source in a life or death situation. I personally would take my chances since both Giardia and Cryptosporidium usually (not always) take 3-5 days to affect the GI system. Let me me very clear! I am not suggesting anyone do as I would, just saying I would not hesitate to do the above if I was lost or injured in the bush short term and dehydration was an issue. Enjoy these discussions and glad you put it out there, thanks for sharing. :) :)
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Hi Jacky. Good points. Of interest, I carry electrolytes all the time. Being on a keto diet means needing to replenish electrolytes more often. Thanks for commenting
@vvogt4252
@vvogt4252 4 ай бұрын
Excellent Video Brother! Beautiful Snow up there. Just rain down here . Cheers from South Carolina. 👍☕
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
We got another 30cm / 12" a few days after this. Hard to get into the woods now. Thanks for commenting
@rjstewart
@rjstewart 4 ай бұрын
I’ve always eaten clean snow off branches and fallen trees while on the move. The small amount of water plus the coldness of it is nice and refreshing when exercising. I agree with your over all assessment on calories used and would never consider dying of dehydration in a survival situation while surrounded by snow!
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Yes, exactly. Thanks for commenting
@medicus5565
@medicus5565 4 ай бұрын
Mark, thank you for insisting that counter arguments be supported by scholarly references and not hearsay and unfounded conspiracy theories. So many beliefs are founded in unsubstantiated dogma and continue to be perpetuated for generations to come. This video is an interesting stray from your usual topics - I like it!
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
I recognize most people will not, and probably should not, eat snow unless necessary. More important is the concept of not blindly accepting everything we hear. Thanks for commenting
@eyeofthetiger4184
@eyeofthetiger4184 4 ай бұрын
G'day Mark, admittedly it's a long way from here to get into snow territory, but to my knowledge you're spot on. Even in the simplest of terms, ..... you gotta have water above all else, ...... well besides air ; ) It is written grasshopper; an "ex" is a has been ....... and a "spurt" is a drip under pressure. Great vid mate. Cheers Duke. P.S. another use for the good ol' walking staff 👍
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Well said. Thanks for commenting Duke
@gizmocarr3093
@gizmocarr3093 4 ай бұрын
Good points! 👍❄
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for commenting
@i_am_a_freespirit
@i_am_a_freespirit 4 ай бұрын
Love the Snow... it's so peaceful looking...oh, don't eat the yellow snow 😂!
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
😣Thanks for commenting
@terryw.milburn8565
@terryw.milburn8565 4 ай бұрын
Quite A Slog To Get There, Great Cup Shared As I Had The Same Mark. Thanks For Your Thoughts & The Link ! ATB T God Bless
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for commenting Terry
@danielkutcher5704
@danielkutcher5704 4 ай бұрын
Great information on winter hydration consuming snow. Fresh snow is great for quenching thirst.
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Yes, you are right. Thanks for commenting
@Roarmeister2
@Roarmeister2 4 ай бұрын
Hmm, on the trail yesterday, I scooped up some snow and swallowed it. No brain freeze. Not a large amount but it wasn't a problem swallowing as a semi-solid/liquid either. I just wanted to quench a thirst and dry throat. Total liquid amount was probably only 1 oz. I've never worried about eating white snow; I just stay away from the yellow stuff! :) :) :) Cold air dehydration is very real. It happened to me where I had nothing but a piece of fruit while outside for 9 hours. My vision went "wonky" temporarily until I re-hydrated at the end of the day.
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
For sure. Thanks for commenting
@joelaut12
@joelaut12 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Mark, nice presentation!
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it! Thanks for commenting
@roger5455
@roger5455 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Mark,For de information!
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Most welcome. Thanks for commenting
@guygell7153
@guygell7153 4 ай бұрын
Like this format, thanks for having coffee with me this morning. Buy the way when is the book coming out? You have the art for the cover.
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it. A book would be fun but it is a lot of work. Thanks for commenting
@guygell7153
@guygell7153 4 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Thank you very much
@9thMonk
@9thMonk 4 ай бұрын
Looks like the gods decided to give the east coast all the snow we never saw in northern Ontario this year!
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
We just got another 30cm on top of this. Hard to get into the woods now. Thanks for commenting
@davidtiner4094
@davidtiner4094 4 ай бұрын
I live in South Texas on the coast. We rarely get snow at all much less enough to find much pure white. So I think that I need not worry about eating snow. However, we do get ice forming in pools of water in freezing conditions. All of your comments applies then. Thanks for sharing.
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
You never know David. The climate be a changing. Thanks for commenting
@singingtoad
@singingtoad 4 ай бұрын
When I was a kid I used to eat snow all the time and in fact my grandparents would throw maple syrup onto the fresh snow and it would turn into maple candy; we all ate it w/o the slightest worry of contamination or anything at all. It was wonderful and we're all still alive today without any strange side effects of eating snow. I agree, I think you'd have to eat a lot of snow and rather carelessly and quickly in order to suffer any real ill effects. I also agree that in a survival situation, eating snow/ice would be my last resort. I'd try to avoid it unless I absolutely had to. 👍Anyway, great topic and thanks for sharing. Take care my friend and Cheers!
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Hi Dave. When or kids were young (many years ago) we took them to a sugar shack to see the process of maple syrup production from tree to bottle. They were treated to fresh maple syrup poured over snow and rolled up on a stick like taffy. So good. Thanks for commenting
@auroraborealisknives4019
@auroraborealisknives4019 4 ай бұрын
Great video with great insight You guys really have all the snow 👍
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
We got another 30cm a few days ago. Hard to get into the woods. Thanks for commenting Alex
@canadafree2087
@canadafree2087 4 ай бұрын
As a Canadian I appreciate you posting Imperial. I still see and think in inches, feet, and miles. lol According to Les Stroud, you should be dead. "You sweat, you die" -Les Stroud. Clearly people have both sweated and eaten snow and survived, it is all about moderation. There has been easily many weeks where I have not drank even one cup of water; I'll drink coffee/tea/pop/juice/milk and not a single drop of pure water. I don't recommend it, it is just my reality and I am still living.
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Must be my age but I think in half metric and half imperial. I don't know about dying but I like to minimize my sweating. Thanks for commenting
@dennislindenpellinge
@dennislindenpellinge 4 ай бұрын
Greetings from south Finnland ! -1 c , 25 cm snow .
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Hello. We just received another 30cm on top of this. Thanks for commenting
@Bushcraftandknives
@Bushcraftandknives 4 ай бұрын
A little off topic, but I would love for you to make a short video about the cameras, microphones, tripods etc. that you use to make your content? What lenses and settings on the camera and so on. I too have a Canon M50 and would love it if you went a bit deeper than just naming the gear.👍 Thank you for all the great content you make!💙
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
I can see making a video on my recording gear. To be honest, I mostly leave my M50 on auto as the conditions change so much and I am so amateur at photography. I may make it part of a video on starting a YT channel. Thanks for commenting
@patriciaribaric3409
@patriciaribaric3409 4 ай бұрын
No wonder there isn't any snow in Ohio; it all went to Nova Scotia. Cool snow fort. The child in me admires your handiwork and determination. If I fell into a large snow drift I don't think I could get out of it alone.
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
LOL...I actually did fall in a drift ion this hike and would have had rouble getting up if I didn't have my staff. Thanks for commenting
@kevola5739
@kevola5739 4 ай бұрын
99% of what I think I know has been told to me. The other 1% I know comes from personal hands on life lessons. This 1% of fact makes me question the 99% I have been told. There is a life lesson there somewhere that I am still digesting. Stay safe!
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
The truth is out there brother. Thanks for commenting
@derekcroft2055
@derekcroft2055 4 ай бұрын
Hi 👋 Mark,,,,,Thanks For Another Informative Video 👍💯
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Most welcome Derek. Thanks for commenting
@VE3FAL1Fred
@VE3FAL1Fred 4 ай бұрын
Mark that is crazy amounts of snow. Here in Thunder Bay we still have just a trace on the ground. We have had maybe 8" in total, we had grass at Christmas. We had rain just last week. This morning it is -21c and calling for -6c today and 2cms of snow. Been a strange year for sure. Cheers Fred
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
We got another 30cm three days ago. Getting really hard to get into the woods. Thanks for commenting
@coreyschultz7018
@coreyschultz7018 4 ай бұрын
Very true. Snow or ice. Just not so much at one time. Small amounts spanned out youll be fine. I dident know snow grabbed pollutants and bacteria. Great info.
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
I ate it as a kid and never worried about it. Maybe I should have😅. Thanks for commenting
@redsorgum
@redsorgum 4 ай бұрын
I blame the trek in...😘 I would think that eating small amounts throughout the day would be a fine way of eating snow for hydration. Always remember, consensus isn't science. Too many things get said as if they are facts, when they are just opinions. Great info, Mark. ✌️🇺🇸🇨🇦✌️
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Yes, exactly. Thanks for commenting
@highlandtrekker
@highlandtrekker 4 ай бұрын
Finally the truth comes out !! Thanks for sharing Mark
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
So mush misinformation out there. Thanks for commenting Wayne
@highlandtrekker
@highlandtrekker 4 ай бұрын
Yes there is...i saw an old interview with Mors Kohanski years ago talking about this exact topic and he said the same thing. He didn't have the scientific data that you shared but never the less stated about a lot of the do's and don't's in a survival situation that are out there !@@MarkYoungBushcraft
@BingWatcher
@BingWatcher 4 ай бұрын
Very interesting discussion. I learned a lot from this video. Mark, would you be willing to discuss with us the safety items that you take on a solo hike? I noticed you have a whistle on your pack and a light. What else would you suggest? Thank you for this video
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Great suggestion! I will make a video on it for my Hike and a Coffee series. Thanks for commenting
@BingWatcher
@BingWatcher 4 ай бұрын
Looking forward to seeing it!
@johngay2875
@johngay2875 4 ай бұрын
Larry Penmurthy, who founded MSR, calculated that mountaineers weren't getting enough water to clear all the toxins we need to rid through urination. That's why he wanted to come up with stoves that were better snow melters. Still we don't hear about how mountaineering was a death sentence before the 1970s even if it sometimes is fatal. Eating snow must keep you going long enough to make it home most of the time!
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Great information. Thanks for commenting
@patfinn8859
@patfinn8859 4 ай бұрын
No snow for me Mark and your video was informative.
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it. Thanks for commenting
@miamivice1149
@miamivice1149 4 ай бұрын
Watch out for yellow snow!
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for commenting
@radagast6682
@radagast6682 4 ай бұрын
Just thought I'd add, that people at higher elevation run a higher risk of dehydration.
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Yes, good point. Thanks for commenting
@lamarwilliams185
@lamarwilliams185 4 ай бұрын
I enjoy these by the fire chats. You should do one on how the humans are being transformed from are primitive state. Example: I’ve noticed that through serving in the military and jail. I never taste my food before eating. The military and school and jail gives you a time limit. Humans are not suppose to eat without putting the food on the lips and wait for a reaction. After sometime; then you know if it’s safe to eat. People with allergic reactions to peanut butter. Would have received a warning from signals on the lips. I chew for 5 seconds and swallow because of my lifestyle. A job makes you swallow your food because you have to get back to work. This is why many brought the food from home. They already tasted and tested ( look how the two words pair together tasted-tested). Would love to hear your thoughts on this!!!!
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
That is an interesting topic. I will give it some thoughts. Thanks for commenting
@jimf1964
@jimf1964 4 ай бұрын
Hard to argue the point. Especially when you frame it from a last resort sort of thing. I think if you’re near or actually experiencing hypothermia, it’s just another stress to deal with if you’re going to eat a lot, but getting cramps and all the other issues from dehydration is just as bad. The cold, relatively dry air sucks a ton of water just from breathing.
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
I agree Jim. it is like the old "never say never". There is a correct time for this and the alternative is less appealing. Thanks for commenting
@steamboatmodel
@steamboatmodel 4 ай бұрын
Some where in my survival training I learned the $, $s, 30 seconds without Air, 3 days without water and 30 days without food were the average limits. From my Native Relatives, don't eat the top layer of snow, brush it off, and compact the snow under it and use it for melting or eating.
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Right on. Thanks for commenting
@bushcraftbasics2036
@bushcraftbasics2036 4 ай бұрын
Funny story about something being repeated by mistake in some monestary. They would spend all day copying their creed. They would then sell the one they copied and use the new version to copy for the next. A new monk asked why in case they made a mistake and just repeating it. The head monk goes to the vault to see the original. He is gone long enough the others are concerned and find him. He is beating his head against the wall and repeating "we forgot the R, we forgot the R". The others ask what he was talking about and he says, "it's supposed to be celebrate"
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
LOL...love it. Thanks for commenting
@captainuralify
@captainuralify 4 ай бұрын
I ate a lot of snow as a kid. Never had an issue. Hmmm.
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
I drank a lot of water directly from streams when I was a kid. Thanks for commenting
@bushcraftbasics2036
@bushcraftbasics2036 4 ай бұрын
Heard of the red snow being called watermelon snow.
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Right on. Perfect description. Thanks for commenting
@margueritemitchell1829
@margueritemitchell1829 4 ай бұрын
Keto 🎉😂❤ yay
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
One way or another😆 Thanks for commenting
@scotbotvideos
@scotbotvideos 4 ай бұрын
Must be nice to get snow like that. The weather forecasters have been threatening us with it for weeks and nothing has materialised. They can predict the climate in 100 years but can't even predict the weather in 10 days time. 🙄
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
We just got another 30cm on top of this. Hard to get into the woods now. Thanks for commenting
@margueritemitchell1829
@margueritemitchell1829 4 ай бұрын
Oooow naked ice swallowing contest... Hot tea on a hot day is cooling❤ Cold drinks may feel refreshing on a hot day at first
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
Now that is an image.Thanks for commenting
@margueritemitchell1829
@margueritemitchell1829 4 ай бұрын
Hello from Beautiful British Columbia Canada 🇨🇦 Really cold here, 🥶 (unusually) (No such thing as climate change) 😉 😜 wink
@MarkYoungBushcraft
@MarkYoungBushcraft 4 ай бұрын
We may be climate switching east to west😆. Thanks for commenting
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