I use these verges very often and they have made a big improvement in there system over the last few years, they used to be garbage but much better now. Although the fixing kit at the bottom is v v flimsy and the little mettle clip pops out of the socket very easily so I prefer to drive a 100 mm screw with a cap on to fix first verge. Also mention when battening up at the top make sure your nail heads are covered by your end cap as on this video the left hand side one wasnt👍
@zedman4427 жыл бұрын
I suppose times have changed along with regulations, and I'm all for it, it is for the better on most occasions. However me being old skool love the look of a well pointed verge! Nice demo.
@SkillBuilder7 жыл бұрын
I agree with you and I would go for a mortar bed with smaller tiles and slates. I reckon with a bit of SBR in the mix they hold down well.
@richwalpole24435 жыл бұрын
No regs have changed, cement is still accepable, its the fixings regs which have changed.
@commonsense7697 жыл бұрын
Great as usual Roger, please make more videos as they are very informative.
@SkillBuilder7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Richard, we are trying hard to get more stuff out there but it is time consuming.
@regnix775 жыл бұрын
I fit guttering and I'm always been called out to 'guttering leaks' on houses with a dry verge system. The wind drives the rain water under the verge and it streams out the bottom missing the gutter. I normally have to fit a 90 angle and silicone the gap up. NHBC interfering and creating new problems.
@user-tp2ks4ts2i5 жыл бұрын
Yes. I agree with you. The edging stops behind the gutter so any water that gets under slate runs down and rots timber. The edge should have an overhanging lip the same as the slate si water goes into gutter. I would safely say that majority of houses using trim have rotten timbers but wont be seen for ten to fifteen years. Im talking about all types especially valley trim.
@zarapinder63982 жыл бұрын
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@rich80372 жыл бұрын
Bisby to the rescue again! I thought 'I'll just replace these rotten bits of fascia and soffit' - of course, first thing I find when I get up on the scaffolding is that the mortar at the verge is rubbish and loose. I knew dry verge systems like this existed, now I know everything else about them I need to know. Now to try to source some on a Saturday afternoon...
@markhoward57807 жыл бұрын
got this on my new build , no soffit just straight onto render and all you get when its rains is every window cill tap tap tap with water , drives you nuts at night .
@tomrawl872 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work, Roger!
@thecourtneyfamily64215 жыл бұрын
I use these all the time over the old way but for the first cap I drive a dry ridge screw with the rubber seal in about 100mm from the front and also to fix the ridge cap just a better fixing than a nail
@bumnutz097 жыл бұрын
Alot easier than being in the pissing down rain and halfway up to heaven eh Roger? Nice vid. You get any footage of a dry ridge system?
@PeterrAre2 жыл бұрын
Of course the preliminary step is to set out the roof tile rows so that if you are tiling from one verge to another, i.e. with a straight up-and-over roof, you don't need to cut the end tiles to fit - I've seen many jobs where so called roofers have had to cut the opposite verge end tiles and of course then they are difficult to secure and look wrong. As you lay from right to left of course this only affects the left hand verge. On this video, a right hand verge, the interlock channels are on the underside and don't show. The advantage with this Dry fit system is that with Marley tiles, who don't make a specific left hand verge tile, it hides the ugly interlock channels otherwise visible on the upper face left hand edge
@Morning_Rays2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@scuzzbecuzz7 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, ROGER...you are one talented fellow!!!
@SkillBuilder7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gary
@richwalpole24435 жыл бұрын
No a talented roofer can bed with cement which will last for years. Stop using this ugly shit
@machiningbasics17297 жыл бұрын
Damn! You were literally on my door step!!! Great video !!
@SkillBuilder7 жыл бұрын
Where is your doorstep? We are up there a lot, mostly at Keylite in Swadlingcote.
@freakyscumbag3 жыл бұрын
Mate,,your talking a load of bollox, a bedded gable is far more capable of surviving strong winds than these shitty plastic gable fixing,,I have been a slater over 43 years and I know when a gable I’d bedded on properly from the start it will last as long as the roof without ever pointing,, one more thing, that tacky ridge cap should not be exposing the fixing nail,
@SkillBuilder Жыл бұрын
The ridge cap was explained and all the evidence is that bedded verges are not as weather resistant as the dry verge. If you are the exception then good for you but most people bed ridges and verges on really strong sand and cement and it cracks as it will. I have used SBR with great effect but not many people do that.
@ETH92 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video but you should use batten end clips when nailing into the end of battens
@SkillBuilder Жыл бұрын
This is acceptable as an alternative method and Marley have tested it.
@ipilip26862 жыл бұрын
when the rain is directed towards the protection from birds, the water will flow there and flow along the wall
@iainnorrie54 жыл бұрын
Good wee video bought them for my garage build only to find it never came with the fixing kit no bother I thought onto internet to 2 of the big online suppliers (their first on Google's search list). Two different prices by some margin £14 & £8.44 so went for the cheaper get to checkout to discover postage was £75 shocking I thought it was a mistake contacted company no not a mistake comes direct from Marley and they set the postage, outrageous how can they justify such postage I could have hired a taxi to go and pick them up cheaper, to say I'm outraged would be an understatement. By the way the other company wanted £90 postage.
@tinytonymaloney78323 жыл бұрын
Looks nice and neat. I was up our loft today getting the Christmas tree down and noticed a damp patch on the chipboard floor. Turns out the wind is forcing rain through the tile vent. Do we have to have these things, it's a modern slate type tile vent. They look shite from outside anyway and if these things are letting rain on through the vent I consider them a waste of time.
@SkillBuilder3 жыл бұрын
I have never liked those flat vents. I had some and took them out for that very reason. The loft is still dry.
@Stop..carry-on4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t call the ridge cap elegant - i think they look cheap and nasty, they also discolour over time , its another skilled job taken away and replaced with “easy”
@SkillBuilder4 жыл бұрын
If you asked me if I would put this on my house the answer is no but on a modern house on an estate of similar properies the one that would look out of place would be the bedded verge.
@martinwaterer7215 Жыл бұрын
Can these be used with Marley Lincoln pan tiles?
@shahnawaz6240 Жыл бұрын
Will it work on Centurion Concrete Roof Tiles?
@alexpritchard7566 Жыл бұрын
Any idea what type of clip is used at the start?
@patterdalezipsuzilil5 жыл бұрын
Does a dry Verge comply with fire regulation if you don't have fancier boards
@sandydogy4 жыл бұрын
One tile is damaged on mine. How do I change it and where do I buy one or two tiles? Thanks
@lle9enddschannel2215 жыл бұрын
Do they have to go under each tile as my tiles are cemented in all way along
@brad150203 жыл бұрын
Best way to do it is pull the cement and verge cloak out, then cut the battens back 3 rafters and add new ones into place so you know you have a solid fixing point🙂
@danielm3613 жыл бұрын
@@brad15020 or you could instead of cutting the battens back buy some lath extensions 👍
@brad150203 жыл бұрын
@@danielm361 never tried that, might have a look into it
@TheAudiostud5 жыл бұрын
I desperately need need this system
@stephenarmstrong9965 Жыл бұрын
Why you not recommending batten end fixings
@SkillBuilder Жыл бұрын
I have no idea what you are saying.
@tospicy4ya7 ай бұрын
What over lap do u use on 420x280 concrete tile?
@SkillBuilder7 ай бұрын
it depends on the angle of the pitch, The manufacturers always give a headlap figure based on pitch. 50mm is common
@ryanh32856 жыл бұрын
I thought you had to put metal clips over the end of the batons to stop them splitting.
@SkillBuilder6 жыл бұрын
The clip is an option. There are several ways of doing it. I use graded battons and screws in the end grain.
@woodbine667 жыл бұрын
Don't like it. My neighbour has got this and it looks like cheap plastic and has gone wavy after several summers + wind, etc. Nice neat mortar edge looks much better.
@SkillBuilder7 жыл бұрын
Good comment. Send us a picture of your neighbour's verge.
@samcaldwell76944 жыл бұрын
They are ugly looking and the water runs down the wall between the joints you can buy one piece verge system look good
@Alexxx---10111 ай бұрын
There's nothing wrong with sand cement if its done correctly with half soft and half sharp sand and cement. It will last longer than this plastic crap in my opinion. There's one thing shilling this dry verge but you shouldn't be saying cemented verge and undercloak isn't any good because it's simply not true. Dry fix ridge is good but I don't like that cheap nasty plastic verge.
@SkillBuilder11 ай бұрын
Alex When I say it is no good, this is a simple fact. It has been tested extensively and it cracks after a few years which lets moisture creep in. You then get frost lifting the verge and in a high wind the verge will come off. I don't like the plastic either but it stays put in a hurricane. It may be that you can knock up a magic mix but nobody knows how good it is until it fails. This is the problem with the building industry....too many variables.
@Alexxx---10111 ай бұрын
@@SkillBuilder I've been roofing for 25 years and I know for a fact that a cement verge lasts more than a few years! Maybe they last a few years if some bodgey builder does it in soft sand and doesn't know what he's doing. I'm not the only roofer that disagrees with you, this topic has been discussed many times on master roofers and majority think that you're talking nonsense. As far as your magic mix comment goes, roofers have been putting sharp sand in there muck for years.
@pauldurdan154910 ай бұрын
I don't think they would survive a hurricane.@@SkillBuilder 😂That would be the least of your problems!
@wearederbysuperams2 жыл бұрын
Do not like dry verge system. Wet verge looks far better. Too much platic in the world
@Sjf5422 жыл бұрын
Subjective of course but I’ve always hated wet verges. Thick band of mortar to me looks no better than a thick band of mastic.
@kevinheath68122 ай бұрын
Do yourself a favour , don’t ever work for this “ company “.