If i remember this right from the books, you actually can't talk through the faceplate of the Armour (or nearly can't), even in atmosphere. Cause of that, the Armour has speakers to talk to people not wearing Armour. In the books it is often stated, that Bobby's Voice sounds metallic or tinny when she's inside the Armour.

Yeah it is called vibrations!! Like old cup and strings telephone!!

@@friedhelmchrist1547 Makes sense. The suit is sealed and thick enough to resist gun fire. Granted gun fire in the expanse isn't as powerful due to the risk of damaging the hull of ships and stations, it's still a lot to yell out off. And i bet it echos inside.

Yup, in a vaccum touching the faceplates together can transfers some sonic vibration. He also messes up at 13:20 calling em "ceaseless rounds" LOL.

Yep. There's a reason they headbutt each other and start screaming face to face. It's so the vocal vibrations carry through the helmets in contact.

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I noticed that too. “Caseless ” meaning just compressed solid propellant (gunpowder) behind a projectile (bullet) i.e. no brass cases flying out of the ejection port. Super cool.

ceaseless rounds every marines dream

Delivery "Case Less". What are "Cease Less"?

ceaseless (I would imagine) means they do not stop (doesn't 'cease')...

Reminds me of the Pulse Rifle from “Aliens” They have caseless rounds as well

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actually that just illustrates how weak the suits are. your muscles force your bones, which means that your bones need to be just as strong or stronger than your muscles. mars has lower gravity and it is such a difference that martians get gravity sickness just by stepping foot on mars, and gunny is no exception. this means that if she is as strong as her bones would allow, then she is still weaker than what an earther could be (which is why those that use steriods to bulk up fast sometimes snap their bones while working out). so if she is weaker than an earther, and her suit is weaker than she is, then an earther without a suit might be stronger than her with her suit.

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@@jamoecw the suit IS it's own exoskeletal frame. This means that the strength and endurance of the squishy monkey inside doesn't count for much.

@@ryavix except the original post clearly points out that the squishy monkey is about the same or more than the suit's strength. so if both are push in the same direction they add their strength together. each is independent in their strength as muscles pull on bones to get their strength, and the suit pushes or pulls on the exoskeleton for its strength. her muscles don't use the exo skeleton, the suit doesn't use her bones.

Meanwhile Macross Frontier pilots have powersuits( EX Gear).

It's basically the same thing, it's just about dialing up the response.

I always classified with augmented abilities or walking tank

More about what would be useful if you actually found it. A lot of the armor is useless to unaugmented humans. Also, there is some armor that can compete with its bigger cousins, like 40k Inquisitors.

@@mortivore222 well in Macross's case the EX Gear is mostly a mix of EVA suit, pilot gear and pilot assist. The suit has aerial mobility and is combat grade for most military small arms. Later special ops versions have silenced motors and enhanced sensors for anti cyborg combat.

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@@jrvasquez Not if you look at the joints. Looking at the joints there is nothing but "spandex" reaching over the joint point. Servo motors would need hard hinge points. Hydraulics would need cylinders and leverage points. The only option is some sort of smart fabric.

@@Awol991 There are small "pistons" shown at that ankles at 3:08 in the video, and, there's those flexible "straps" that go sort of loosely over the joints but stand off a bit. But I'd assume your assessment of them being some sort of 'smart material' is more correct of those, as in, they flex and contract under some sort of current or input somehow. I'm honestly curious about the sort of power supply/energy storage system these things have. Man, it'd be absolutely catastrophic if there was a rapid dump of that energy though. Sheesh.

Coud be fluidics pulsing through the tubes inside the armor. I think it was MIT who had a video on soft robots albeit with air flowinf inside the tubes

I think that in the books they do mention that it's an advanced hydroloc system but it's impractical to create this puerly for the show.

I think we gotta just suspend disbelief cos that shit look cheap as fuck

It is actually the air hose. It's a little known bit of lore from the books that Martian Marines are trained to breathe 6.25mm ammunition in low air situations.

I believe that it's mentioned in the books that the air hose is hidden in a armoured conduit within the suit which connects to a port in the bodysuit. This decision makes a great deal of sense when you consider that the air supply is vital for the user's survival in the main usage scenario the suit was made for. I would imagine the suit's design team basically took one look at the required specs for the project and went "Let's put as much armour around the whole thing as possible and make the air line as short as possible to minimize the risk of it getting damaged."

The latest episode(S06E06) shows that particular belt when Draper is reloding her suits ammo.

Haha stopped watching the video after he made that remark

Mars’s gravity is closer to 2/5ths Earth’s. Wanting to match any possible adversary isn’t an offensive mind set, just a militaristic one.

well if we are getting precise then the gravity is 38% of earth's gravity. as for them always operating at 1G, then those that live on these ships for an extended period of time wouldn't get sick from the gravity of earth as we saw when gunny went to earth. they would be going from 1G to 1G. maybe that is how it is in the books, but in the show they definitely don't operate at 1G.

@@kokofan50 Meh, 1/3 vs 2/5 doesn't really change the point. And it's not about matching them in speed capability, though that is a nice benefit. The point is they are telling the Earth military that they are ready and willing to take the fight to them and fight the UNE on their home soil, and considering how gung ho the Martian Marines are about putting boots on earth, it's a message and mentality cultivated to their entire military culture.

@@zhaimorenn8273 exactly, it’s a warning. It’s a warning that Mars can and will match anyone anywhere. You don’t make those kinds of warnings if you’re not looking for a fight.

For flipsake, its hyperboly. Not a literal unit of speed. Oy.

How did I not see this comment earlier? This is fucking gold.

Ah so Bobbie Draper is the Chuck Norris of Mars?

The orphans journey book series delves into this. The suits offer resistance normally that feeds into alternators that charge the batteries. Then with the flip of a switch it goes from resistance to assistance mode and assists the movement. This helps to extend the battery life of the suits

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@@capnahayes i think they related to an entertainment holoreel for kids in expanse universe called Donkeyballs X

At the realistic sense not anime, Vegeta train at 400g, at Berrus planet they wear 40ton weight suits. But we're talking plausible science here.

Why not 1.2? Would give an edge…

I know it's a joke but damn Goku and Vegeta are practically top tiers in general so it's a bad comparison to put them against medium strong soldiers

would make sense. Using new ammo is a logistical nightmare.

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@@jrvasquez Wish they wouldn't do that though, a good actor should be able to convey emotion without ever showing their face. It's all about small ques, a slight adjustment in the shoulders, a tick of the head, a change in tone. Not saying that they are bad actors, far from it, but I think that they could pull it off even better if they rarely showed their faces. What if Gunny rarely showed her face and came into conflict over it when she was dishonorably discharged from the marines. Which one is she really the faceless epitome of warfare, or the caring and emotional human?

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the servos are electrical not hydraulic. the putting the helmets together is due to the comms going down and sound not being able to travel in a vacuum(using the vibrations of the helmet to vibrate the other helmet via direct contact so sound can pass). the fall she suffered was better than it looked as gravity was much weaker. that is just the mistakes i noticed (other than the mispronouncing of caseless as ceaseless). extra info from the show is that martians grow up in low G and that means weaker bones and a weaker heart. this means that she, as a martian, is far weaker than her earth counterparts, and her suit is about as strong as she is, making the suit only compensate for the lack of strength. it also means that the lighter weight stuff built into the suit is to compensate for the weaker heart (so they get tired slower). the aiming assist simply compensates for the smaller and less easy to aim weapons (the training scene didn't have them with better accuracy from today's grunts). this means that a sustained conflict on earth would have them at a disadvantage, assuming that the earth marines have armor that just protects as well and has a sensor package somewhere in the ballpark. it is quite cinematic within the confines of the show, but once you step out of it in comparison with other franchises it falls short due to the circumstances within the show.

It could be that one is alternate history of the other.

Except The Expanse has more ships

The protomolecule civilization= flood. Both hive mind.

Cough cough hasn't heard of the protomolecule pocket dimension cough cough clearly hasn't read halo books cough cough.

the martians grow up at less than half of earth's gravity. this makes their bones weaker, and thus the amount of strength they can have. spartan's are upgraded humans with normal bone density and strength, and so are stronger than earth humans. given how gunny is stronger than her suit this means that it would be highly unlikely that the spartans would be weaker than them (even without their suit). add to that they use weapons that have better ergonomics for aiming and you have stronger, faster (speed is tied to strength), more accurate marines versus more fragile martian marines. the martians would lose hard.

They have a limited thruster capacity as shown in the video. More would take up too much space. The bit they have is probably as a safety feature in space.

There are some important differences, but the TLDR version is that husks are cannon fodder, these uglies in the expanse are more akin to super soldiers

Husks had more human faces (skulls).

There's important differences. One is in the Mass effect universe, and the other was inspired by and copied from the mass effect universe. :)

ya, they are definitely guided, at least the pack Bobbie has is

Great assessments on the face shield, the arm-mounted gun with alternatives for each.

It's for cinematic purposes. You HAVE to see the face of the actor, to convey emotions etc. The suits of the bad guys from the stealth ships, had some sort of metal net in the visor. It's the same with the lights inside the helmet, in reality there would be none.

I don't think you need to to always see the actor. Iron Man for example, also has a face plate.

It isn't mentioned in the show... But it is in the books. The "Face Shield" as everyone is calling it (It's called a Faceplate in the books, show and IRL) is made of highly reinforced ballistic glass... I believe that in the books it is stated that it's basically impervious to small arms fire, needing to take a hit from something like a PDC in order to penetrate it, effectively the same as the areas covered by the metal armour. The bodysuits worn underneath the armour are also made of a more flexible armour similar to modern day bullet-resistant vests (Note: I said bullet-resistant for a reason. There's no such thing as a bulletproof vest IRL.) which are increasingly being made of Polyethylene fibers, which is basically a plastic woven together in layers so when someone gets shot, the impact of the shot gets spread out over a larger area to stop the bullet penetrating through to hit the wearer's body as best as they can. Right now, that technology is best suited against low calibre weapons like handguns, for the military, they get reinforced with strike plates made of Ceramics or Steel to provide additional protection against bigger and faster bullets. Naturally in the time period where The Expanse takes place, this flexible armour technology would have advanced to the point where a body suit could be made of flexible armour and would be able to offer sufficient protection against all but the biggest bullets that could be flying a soldier's way. Sure, it wouldn't be as strong as the rest of the suit, but those small regions of vulnerability would be difficult to target at the best of times and would be next to impossible to target when an enemy is aware of you and actively moving to get the best position available to take you out. To tackle your final point about the weapon placement, I would remind you that having it directly mounted to the user's arm would provide the weapon a great deal of stability that something like a conventional assault rifle wouldn't have, allowing the user to compensate for recoil (if any exists in The Expanse) more intuitively (presumably) or something. Additionally the weapons are directly belt-fed from the suit's backpack allowing for uninterrupted fire until the ammo is expended. Lastly in response to the point about injury, I would remind you that with these suits almost all of the arm is encased in the heavy metallic armour in addition to the flexible armour bodysuit, which would make the risk of a injury to the arm which would render you unable to control the weapon properly extremely unlikely outside of a dumb training accident. Going by what is stated in the books, I believe your point is actually true for the U.N. marines as their suits are less technologically advanced and have substantially less hard armour plating on the arms and legs, only fully covering the shoulders, wrists and hands. Martian Marines in the books I believe are specifically trained to aim for the mid-section of the arms and legs in combat for that exact reason.

If you go back to season 1 and watch episode where the Donnager was boarded. The helmet Mars forces use only show the eyes. There was an old interview that says redesign was done so that Mars suits also show their faces. It's a tv show, give and take.

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No wonder they're do advanced

maybe, it depends on how many of them there were. they were a small ship with stealth tech and rail guns. their missiles were better and able to get through the defensive fire. if they didn't fire all of their missiles then they might have shot the gun ships out of the sky and it wouldn't have mattered. if instead they did fire all of their missiles then the extra firepower from the gunships when they got close would have helped swat at least one of them out of the stars, and of course made it harder for them to focus their fire so well on the one target.

The bigger ship would have greater reach railguns. The enemy would have lost more ships before even coming into range. Is that enough? No idea but interesting topic

Correct. That is the minigun's ammo feed. The oxygen line is actually housed inside an armoured channel that runs up the wearer's neck from what I recall. Also I think it's mentioned briefly in the books, but I don't remember for certain, but the suit's faceplate is actually one of the most armoured parts of the suit since it's a potential point of failure for keeping the wearer alive. If I remember correctly, the faceplate itself is designed to withstand several direct hits from any small arms fire and pretty much a solid hit from anything up to the size of a PDC round. For example in the final episode of Season 6, during the assault on the Ring Station, Free Navy soldiers open fire on Draper, Amos and their allies firing armour piercing rounds. In this battle we see Draper take several direct hits to the faceplate and it holds up albeit with some pretty nasty looking small marks / cracks. But obviously, debris from an agricultural mirror falling out of orbit has way too much kinetic energy for any part of the armour to withstand. So it is understandable that the faceplate would fail under such an extreme load.

and is roughly 3x more badass in the books to boot (especially at the Ganymede incident-much better done in the books

I'm thinking those are grabbed as needed.

@@seamus6387 yeah, but without those will be pretty nasty when fighting enemies personally.

That's what a marine knife hand is for, but the wrist mounted weapons can actually be used in CQB better than a pistol.

Well, we did just do a video on the ship in which we broke down its features.