"MARTIN KEOWN IS DELUSIONAL!" 😱👀 Callers argue with Martin Keown about Gabriel Martinelli red card

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@imranshaikh954 2 жыл бұрын

Jimenez is completely different. He was given a yellow for the foul and then stopped the free kick so got the second yellow. Martinelli was given two straight yellows without a break.

@BifeOdmorNo1 2 жыл бұрын

I thought the referee made a correct decision until I read the advantage rule, which reads as follows: Advantage If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play. However, if the offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; if the offence was interfering with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned. When you read the last part, it seems that he should have stayed on the pitch.

@lfcspectre4335 2 жыл бұрын

Justice For Player's 😂 Don Jordan on fire today giving Keown a full Proper Clobber!

@lfcspectre4335 2 жыл бұрын

@@philbrainy2399 One Proper Clobber Lad

@MW-zd5gn 2 жыл бұрын

Another day another clobbering fact from the archangel himself

@allanfitz3535 2 жыл бұрын

Keown being disrespectful to the untd fan, until he agreed with him is hilarious.

@hms9891 2 жыл бұрын

Imagine if we had keown and Sinclair on with Jordan and white, it would be Jordan and white with dumb and dumber 😂

@carlwatson487 2 жыл бұрын

although I agree with Simon a lot keown and Sinclair aren’t stupid either

@danielhenry5457 2 жыл бұрын

This comment is autism

@adeosinowo3197 2 жыл бұрын

Or simon with dumb, dumber & dumbest. (Jim is the dumbest) i reckon he's secretly back on the booze!

@liamfletcher964 2 жыл бұрын

@@carlwatson487 sinclair isnt dumb? Have you listened to him?

@tycosyco 2 жыл бұрын

I love the sly looks Simon and Jim are giving Martin Keown every time a caller agrees with them

@UserName-br5zu 2 жыл бұрын

That text at the end finished me 😂😂 Keown looks hurt

@DavidSmith-gq3mv 2 жыл бұрын

One of the Wolves player did a foul exactly similar to Martinelli's second yellow but didn't get booked. Explain that.

@nickmildon6348 2 жыл бұрын

Keown has to be the softest 'hard man' there is

@hms9891 2 жыл бұрын

An arsenal defender uppercuts another player and is sent off and also charged with assault Martin keown - “the ref could have took a step back and looked at this, and maybe given him just a warning, the red card spoiled the game”

@michaelwallden7261 2 жыл бұрын

has nothing to do with soft, he has another opinion are you also soft if you have another opinion

@thomassmith5395 2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelwallden7261 that makes no sense

@haywoodchablowmee2372 2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelwallden7261 if you have certain opinions yes it makes you soft. Just like if your family name is Wallden you’re a a southern pansy

@gooonaboy8895 2 жыл бұрын

end of the day no chance does martinelli make the second challenge if he knows he's on a yellow, like every player that gets booked he would've been more cautious but the referee didn't tell him, pretty sure thats his job, can rip keown all you want but he's right on this

@badcampa2641 2 жыл бұрын

Martins absolutely correct and everyone here on the psychiatric ward agrees with him

@adeosinowo3197 2 жыл бұрын

Is jim the biggest Muppet on all of the Air-waves? What a clown!

@762mm7 2 жыл бұрын

😂

@chris25211 2 жыл бұрын

Lets see it this way .Its so refreshing listening to Simon in comparison to some of the views of other former players

@no1cares965 2 жыл бұрын

1000000000000000000000000000%

@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere 2 жыл бұрын

Martin Keown's punditry is like a Ferrari engine with a learner driver at the wheel. It's a bad analogy but it's exactly the same analogy that he uses EVERY time the name "Adama Traore" is brought up.

@andrewm9669 2 жыл бұрын

The ref that called, his voice fits the job 😂

@rashidkhalid3970 2 жыл бұрын

That united fan referee is spot on sometimes its also common sense

@leolion9535 2 жыл бұрын

Martin Keown is right. It is one yellow card

@livinginlondon6122 2 жыл бұрын

100%

@emilepelletier8176 2 жыл бұрын

I loved what the ref did. There's a clear yellow to be given, but a great counter-attack is on for Wolves. He doesn't want to stop play and I always love that. Then Martinelli does another CLEAR yellow card offense, thinking he'll get a "free" foul. So he gets two yellows, I don't see anything wrong here.

@tommartin4389 2 жыл бұрын

The only thing wrong is that this happens a lot and yet no other players ever gets sent off for it. No problem if it’s consistent but it isn’t! No other ref would do that

@emilepelletier8176 2 жыл бұрын

@@tommartin4389 They should!

@emilepelletier8176 2 жыл бұрын

What the hell does Arsenal have to do with it... couldn't care less what team is involved. This foul was totally avoidable, Martinelli went off his head on two separate occasions. His damn problem.

@brianbates212 2 жыл бұрын

@Xapa No, yellow cards exist to punish specific actions well outside the accepted parameters. There is nothing in the laws of the game that says you can't get two yellows for different offenses without a stoppage in between them. In fact, it says exactly the opposite, that two different offenses are to be given as two yellows / red even if they occur in close proximity. It was clearly two different incidents and both were clear yellow card offenses, yellow, yellow, red was the textbook call.

@mrkeithmorgan1 2 жыл бұрын

@@brianbates212 "In essence, a yellow card is given as a caution or warning. It provides players receiving them another chance to stay on the field for the remainder of the game, whereas a red card means that the player has to leave the pitch with immediate effect." Source: PFSA. Where was the caution?

@shanginadildo 2 жыл бұрын

I think both yellows are soft, but to give two yellows before you've received one is wrong. You change your behaviour once you've booked

@ErlendFlatin 2 жыл бұрын

Completely the correct decision. This idea that the ref is supposed to "manage the game" and apply common sense is what leads to the inconsistency we are seeing a lot of. It doesn't matter what teams are playing, what player, or at what time in the game: a bookable offence is still a bookable offence, two bookable offences are still two bookable offences

@ErlendFlatin 2 жыл бұрын

@@joshc1011 I mean, most your examples are just showing that there is an inconsistency. It's rare that players are booked twice in the same phase of play, because not many players are stupid enough to commit to bookable offences in one go, but I have seen it happen. But it should be double yellow every time. A player that stops a counter attack and then kicks the ball away is grounds for two yellows, but at least here the ref as the option of adding time, so there is an alternative punishment, which is why a ref won't do a double yellow (at least this is consistent, for now..) My point is that players like Bruno, Kane etc. SHOULDN'T get away with constant fouls. If players were always given cards when they commit bookable offences, then there wouldn't be any players that got away with constant fouls. The inconsistency lies in that refs put the bar at different levels, so you'll have games with tons of nasty challenges, and no cards. And you'll have games with fewer challenges, but more cards. And Martinelli got a double yellow because he committed two fouls each worthy of a yellow. Had he already been on a booking the ref would've only needed to show one yellow.

@ErlendFlatin 2 жыл бұрын

@@joshc1011 Yeah, I think we agree on the principle, but just disagree on the particulars. I didn't follow the entire game, but from what I heard on another Talksport video Arsenal were doing a lot of time wasting. So I think the ref decides to let play go in order to avoid any more time wasting. I also think Martinelli suspected he was going to get booked, and therefore thought he might get another challenge in "for free", usually a player would get away with only one card

@selhurt 2 жыл бұрын

Love seeing Martin and Simon work well together,

@rossg6735 2 жыл бұрын

I have to admit, the only thing I don’t understand is that How can you give a player a yellow card when they don’t know they are in a yellow card

@glodymwambi4713 2 жыл бұрын

The wolves thing happened in two stages the player got a yellow first and than he did something stupid after and got the second yellow for a red.

@alexbecker9749 2 жыл бұрын

Why aren't people remembering this?? Jimenez was warned and then still did what he did. Martinelli wasn't warned. Refs are there to protect players, not just from others, but from themselves. Michael Oliver could have easily given a yellow and said "one more and you're off" but refs genuinely desperate to dish a red out for Arsenal. It's a joke

@dunkindeeznutz 2 жыл бұрын

It was also a foul throw and you can't play advantage from a foul throw.

@Lee-mo1qf 2 жыл бұрын

Its funny everyone going on it was the right decision yet nobody has ever seen it before in the premier league...players often commit 2 fouls they could be booked for in an advantage and only ever get 1 yellow. The caller who compared it to jiminez is completely wrong he was given a yellow and then committed another yellow card offence knowing he already had 1.

@danieldoyle7084 2 жыл бұрын

Keown is kind of turning into the talksport version of Ty

@dveryblueblood 2 жыл бұрын

Since when did refs start giving advantage for stopping a throw or a freekick being taken. Oliver should have stopped the play after the first foul and given the freekick and yellow.

@george_se98 2 жыл бұрын

He fouled the player just after the ball was thrown back into play you mug that’s why it’s an advantage. Considering wolves then had a 3/4 on 3 from the quick throw it’s only fair to play advantage and not the refs fault martinelli made two stupid yellow card offences

@crisboboc3076 2 жыл бұрын

@@george_se98 doesn’t matter it was a foul throw

@zsht 2 жыл бұрын

'Going by the rulebook' is a poor argument, seeing as no referee has ever made this call in the history of the league. So either Oliver was incorrect, or every other ref that has ever dealt with that incident was incorrect.

@michaelc6828 2 жыл бұрын

Both fouls are bookable offences end of!

@michaelplaysbass 2 жыл бұрын

Are you mental? Michael Oliver absolutely nailed it. Both were incredibly stupid, cynical yellow card fouls. NOT sending him off would have been a crime.

@michaelc6828 2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelplaysbass Well said.. It is a typical example of wanting special treatment because they are Arsenal. Without a shadow of a doubt. if that was my team I would be angry but would and could not disagree with the ref's decision. He got what the 2 offences deserved. If it happened as part of 1 single passage of play they there may have been reason for 1 yellow but that wasn't the case

@zsht 2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelplaysbass name me one example where a referee has double yellowed for incidents in the same play within 5 seconds

@zsht 2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelc6828 name me one example where a referee has double yellowed for incidents in the same play within 5 seconds

@wmurray689 2 жыл бұрын

Keown needs to read the powers and duties of the referee. Keeping it 11 v 11 is not one of them 🤣

@sirbrian9404 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with Martin pull the player to one side and tell him your on a thin line son. The other callers numptys

@epec20 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not interested on 'keeping the players on the pitch' ?!!! That's clearly a big problem then if players know this. As a fan you totally want the opposition sent off. What a ridiculous thing to say.

@maninthemirror3838 2 жыл бұрын

It was actually a foul throw

@yussufhassan2820 2 жыл бұрын

Michael olivier was fuming to give red cards at the end of the match while he was having in mind that xhaka was on yellow card but unfortunately martineli came on wrong side , he confuse and thought xhaka gave out the red card to martineli

@alanjames5586 2 жыл бұрын

When listening to Martin Keown it reminds me of a friend of mine who used to say at work "I'm not on the same wavelength as my supervisor and not on the same planet as my Manager. Some ex-players and now pundits are clearly extraterrestrial.

@robdogj 2 жыл бұрын

that last lil bit was funny😆

@samallardyce2522 2 жыл бұрын

imagine calling a former pro and winner delusional

@mccleandazza4618 2 жыл бұрын

Whats that got to do with his opinion?

@mrstorytale 2 жыл бұрын

So many times nearly in every match actually a player kicks the player with the ball and that player carries on and gets away doesn’t fall and then that same player kicks him again to make sure he takes him down and gets a yellow. The first kick was also a yellow but during that same 3 second phase that player fouled him twice and only gets one yellow when technically that first attempt was a yellow too. Not once did I see a ref give that player two yellows in that phase and has every right to so now if going by the sending off logic against Martinelli as be it 20 second phase or 3 second phase that should not matter.

@petermartinaitis8166 2 жыл бұрын

Since when has it been the ref's role to keep players on the pitch ?

@007Fusiion 2 жыл бұрын

It’s informal. More players on the pitch, the better the competitiveness is. A ref will let some instances go if a player is on a yellow.

@Flipmode1900 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. A refs job is to dish out the right punishments and calls at the right time. It's the players responsibility to not put himself in a position to be sent off.

@enfrater8561 2 жыл бұрын

Steve the caller is a Don. Well put point. 👏👏👏

@Arseandbobsman 2 жыл бұрын

Foul throw anyway. Where was VAR?

@Mr91Jmay 2 жыл бұрын

It's a foul throw because he is pushed ya melt

@mort1122 2 жыл бұрын

it was a foul throw enough said, throw to arsenal and no yellows VAR should spot this. Outrageous referring, arsenal have 15 reds next highest is Southampton on 8, unbelievable Jeff

@gonnaw1n 2 жыл бұрын

The ref can't play advantage from the throw because the initial booking comes from stopping the throw to be taken...hence allowing it to continue nullifies the booking...its that or you can't play advantage because the ball wasn't in play still there for no advantage to be taken.

@lukebailey853 2 жыл бұрын

But he didn't stop the throw being taken. He tried to. Which is against the rules. Therfore the ref sees that wolves still have the ball and plays advantage from the throw he TRIED to block. If he had blocked it he would of gotten a yellow there and then.

@gonnaw1n 2 жыл бұрын

@@lukebailey853 I get that but at the same time the foul for the booking comes from him attempting to stop the throw from being taken..the ball isn't in play at this point, the ref deems it a yellow and says nothing but waves play on so Martinelli believes no foul and then he does what any play on no yellows would do, a professional foul to stop the play...he wouldn't of done this had he known the first was a yellow...no player would have done that...therefor the Ref deceived the player and not only Wolves gaining advantage they also gained a player advantage. I'm sorry but there is no right here from the ref and I believe when a ref plays advantage but is going to card he should inform the player at the same time, it is a hole in the rules. I am not a fan of any Prem club, but I can see the bullcrap in that decision being right...no common sense from refs because they haven't played the game.

@lukebailey853 2 жыл бұрын

@@gonnaw1n I know there are grey areas but I would counter your points with 1) The ref didn't wave play on (Play on means no foul was committed) he waved advantage. 2) Its very rare that a ref has time to tell a player he's going to be booked whilst at the same time playing advantage. I can see both sides but do believe the ref was vindicated in his decision by the letter of the law.

@felicitybolt7607 2 жыл бұрын

Simon Jordan is all of us when Keown speaks.

@stretchgrundy5937 2 жыл бұрын

I like the point about seeing it both as a former player and as a Ref ! Unfortunately there are non in the top flight ! So many times they(refs) give punitive cards and let professional fouls / delaying tactics go unpunished ! Players continually and deliberately delay play when as an example the opposition try to take a quick free kick. Thereby negating any advantage they may have had despite the fact they are the ones who have been fouled.

@seagull8415 2 жыл бұрын

Has everyone gone mad? The shoulder bump and the obstruction at the throw in both happen dozens of times every game without a booking. Its just the two happening so close which looked bad. Should have been a booking for the entire sequence of play, neither worth a yellow in isolation.

@enfrater8561 2 жыл бұрын

Martin is a G. 💯 And Simon is a ...... ..... ...... .....

@Llo834 2 жыл бұрын

Clear red card. Of course Arsenal fans are crying as usual

@ukbigjon 2 жыл бұрын

I can see his point, about the player not knowing he was on a yellow card already; but he did still commit two yellow card offences. They were playing on with advantage as well; so the player should have been aware he could still be booked for the first offence. To my mind, it was a fair decision.

@nataliecarlin9088 2 жыл бұрын

The wolves player was begging for the 2nd foul too

@ehamilton995 2 жыл бұрын

Not often I agree with Keown, but he’s spot on here. Oliver is basically Mike Dean 2.0.

@MegaBaker79 2 жыл бұрын

How many bookable offences where the players just gets a warning he could of gave just a yellow and spoke to him

@SDCLFC1 2 жыл бұрын

The problem was both acts had an element of violence or over aggression to them - both were not attempts to play football but to strike a player

@DALFY100 2 жыл бұрын

Agree with the wolves fan tbh (arsenal fan)

@helenbright776 2 жыл бұрын

Stfu* you rival fan

@NZGeordieBogan 2 жыл бұрын

Keown is basically saying when you receive your first yellow card the ref has to show leniency towards that player there after to not change the game. But it's the players lookout not push the envelope once booked. Keown may as well ask for a three card system.

@drench1580 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly everyone knows it’s cage match rules once the ref plays advantage anything goes

@Ltasty 2 жыл бұрын

2:36 - 2:44 hahahahaha in tears

@aizazbaig1075 2 жыл бұрын

I,m with Martin on double yellow I one motion never seen or heard it before so it's bad refreing

@diehard10101 2 жыл бұрын

That text was from Simon

@samriggs1616 2 жыл бұрын

What about the fact it was a foul throw if we're going "by the book"

@MrBuurh 2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be bothered if these things had been given in the past but they haven't & they won't be given in the future! The same thing will happen next week & it will be a single yellow, no doubt against Arsenal also no mention of Bruno Fernández taking a wild swing at JWP against Southampton, Arsenal try give away tactical fouls like Man City, the difference is City players get away with it for fun whereas Arsenal are constantly booked for it!

@Dreadeye66 2 жыл бұрын

Surely the point of a yellow card is a warning, so if you haven't got one & you get 2 in a passage of play it is pointless. I prefer to watch matches with 11 v 11 but now days I think referees want to book players for nearly every single foul. For me a yellow was enough!

@brianbates212 2 жыл бұрын

It was two separate clear yellow card offenses according to the laws of the game which further state that in an advantage situation two yellow cards are to be given if two separate violations occur.

@therobbieunited 2 жыл бұрын

This is nuts,2 yellows equals red,how long after the first yellow does martinelli have a free rein to commit another bookable offense,it's ridiculous

@Creative90467 2 жыл бұрын

I honestly believe if it Manchester United or Liverpool players they don't get sent off in this situation because arsenal are getting this reputation of red card referee are aware of this

@lfcspectre4335 2 жыл бұрын

Martin Keown can't handle the truth from the caller opinions today. Martin doesn't make sense here, you've got to play the game to understand the rules? Well you can understand the rules at any professional sport, but you don't have to play it to understand them tho Martin.

@ryansmith240992 2 жыл бұрын

The referee should have used common sense and spoke to the player

@oliverburri8556 2 жыл бұрын

Based on that logic then not that it would have made any difference to the game as it was at the very end of it but Rodri should have gotten sent off against Arsenal as he took off his shirt which is a bookable offence (which he did get booked for) and also gotten another yellow card for running over to the opposition fans and shushing them which is also a bookable offence. Also the point of a yellow card is to “caution” the player. Yet the yellow card did no such thing in this case.

@olasmemoir 2 жыл бұрын

It’s interesting when you all talk about the rule when it comes to Arsenal. But when it comes to multiple incidents against Arsenal, the referee turns a blind eye and you guys just shrug it aside. A clear example is when Saka was clearly kick and the ref allowed play to continue. Talking about going by the rules, if you say that, then it has to always be that way. You can’t cherry pick.

@Gagefelstead 2 жыл бұрын

You're just being bias, we all have it, because we all watch our teams for 90/180 minutes a week, see every decision, see every inconsistency. You don't watch every other team in the country for that amount of time so you don't see it.

@olasmemoir 2 жыл бұрын

@@Gagefelstead and I agree with your point. As long as we can agree that there will always be inconsistencies, then we should throw out the point of going by the letter of the ‘law’. Yes, I don’t watch as much games of other teams but when inconsistencies are becoming largely skewed, then we should learn to review our approach. I don’t want to believe that no footballer has not done what Martinelli did in the last 15 years. Are we saying that of all the players, it was just that only he got penalized? Secondly, this is not speaking of only Arsenal, referees do make decisions based on player’s reputation at times. That’s why a player would get sent off for an offense and another player wouldn’t even get a yellow card. I fear that because this is unchecked, it’s beginning to extend to team level where they factor team reputations in making decisions. No matter the team, decisions should be made applying the rule to the context of the situation. It was obvious that Oliver was pissed and wanted to exert his authority which he should. However, I don’t believe it was the correct call.

@benjammin9471 2 жыл бұрын

Keown with his usual insightful opinion

@desmo998rr 2 жыл бұрын

If the ref on the phone was as good as he thinks he is he'd be refereeing at a higher level. Easy to say what people want to hear, especially with benefit of hindsight.

@markbrookbank7282 2 жыл бұрын

Ooooh player friend.. oooo players

@ezylivin7608 2 жыл бұрын

That last dude is not an Arsenal fan it’s quiet obvious

@vadevera 2 жыл бұрын

The throw in was not stopped

@freelancedesignzja 2 жыл бұрын

but he didnt stop the throw in...

@andreacarbonari 2 жыл бұрын

So from now if a player makes two foul in one action (advantage rule) we should extract a red card..... refs are so poor everywhere (in Italy are the same).

@xyzblue4563 2 жыл бұрын

Depends on the foul, one was an arm across to stop a throw in (blatant yellow) and the other stopped a counter (blatant yellow). If it was debatable yellows or something it would make sense

@STROA13 2 жыл бұрын

@@xyzblue4563 I think there is an argument to be made that Martinelli may not commit the second foul if he knew he was getting a yellow for the first. Stupid either way but if ref books him immediately for the first, there may be more caution thereafter. No way to predict though.

@xyzblue4563 2 жыл бұрын

@@STROA13 ya mate I get your logic but does that not sound silly? Refs are not going to not book you because there was no time to make you aware that you just made two yellow worthy challenges

@brentmeyer712 2 жыл бұрын

@@STROA13 Martinelli should have known he was getting a yellow card when he pushed Podence trying to throw the ball back in play. The referee did the right thing by allowing an advantage than at the next dead ball to caution Martinelli. When Martinelli carelessly takes out Semedo with no attempt to win the ball. That is a double yellow. Playing stupid games gives you stupid prizes. The referee made the right decision being 100% unbiased. Martinelli was a lot quicker than Semedo. If Martinelli got in front of Somdeo and won the ball back, the second yellow would not have happened. Stoping an obvious counterattack was stupid by Martinelli.

@antwan. 2 жыл бұрын

Carlton Cole called this one right. In the refs mind it was 2 yellows, but he never told the player he was on the first yellow. therfore he was wrong to send him off

@kazeemadeleke7979 2 жыл бұрын

I was saying just moment before the red that the way arsenal was playing they are getting on the nerves of the ref.

@user-rx7gz1mj1y 2 жыл бұрын

I could agree that these two fouls could be sending off. But ref should give one yellow first, so player should understand that he was warned. Giving two yellow card at the same time is bizarre.

@adedayoadeniran5226 2 жыл бұрын

Raul Jimenez committed his second offence after being booked. Martinelli committed his second offence before getting any cards at all. We see so many times when a player already booked is given a second chance when he commits a certain second yellow.

@franciscoaugust2477 2 жыл бұрын

Lol. We are not talking about how Arteta and Arsenal's solution to their red card problems is to be more aggressive unnecessarily as well as always crowd and pester the Referee with every single whistle.

@nigelgovier4987 2 жыл бұрын

And people are acting like this was his first incident in the game it was the 70th minute or so and he does that he had warnings and does something stupid like that

@rdholyfield965 2 жыл бұрын

Applying the rulebook without commonsense is lunacy. Not every foul is a bookable offence

@brianbates212 2 жыл бұрын

No, but the two incidents in question were textbook yellow card offenses. Two yellow cards shown, since it was the same player a red followed...

@davidmurphy7332 2 жыл бұрын

Whoever wrote the headline at the bottom of the screen deserves a red card

@jackdominiak445 2 жыл бұрын

Oliver spot on! Typical ex footballer view 😡

@dellboy1775 2 жыл бұрын

Player should have been made aware he's on a yellow Martin is right in this argument

@brianbates212 2 жыл бұрын

Player should know the laws of the game, including the part where two different bookable offenses in close proximity equals two bookings and a sending off even if the play doesn't stop in between.

@dellboy1775 2 жыл бұрын

@@brianbates212 doesn't matter mate you should still be made aware you are on a caution

@brianbates212 2 жыл бұрын

@@dellboy1775 You aren't understanding the system. It isn't there to give a warning of hey, you screw up and you're gone, it's there to punish incidents that occur. Everyone that sets foot on the pitch should know the rules and what constitutes a sending off offense or a bookable offense. you're allowed one, but not two, bookable offenses as long as the ref does his job and books every bookable offense. In this case the player committed two bookable offenses without waiting to see if the ref was letting him get away with one, the ref properly didn't, and he is gone as per the laws of the game.

@dellboy1775 2 жыл бұрын

@@brianbates212 i fully understand I'm just not looking at it from a simplistic view of 2 fouls in the same phase of play means a red.. there are countless games where players have been booked and committed a foul after wards and the ref would give them a final warning in this instance the player wasn't given any warning also if you wanted to dig deeper into it the first foul was on a throw in the ball isn't in play so how can you play advantage are we playing advantage on goal kicks corners and freekicks now because I've never seen that the game gets stopped the card is issued and you replay it. The fact that an ex referee who was in charge of training referees came out and said it was a poor decision should indicate to you that it was a bad decision

@jaycdundee 2 жыл бұрын

jimenez knew he was already booked martinelli didnt know he was booked why didnt wolves get 2 free kicks?? isnt that the rules? If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play. However, if the offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; if the offence was interfering with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned.

@richardhillier1593 2 жыл бұрын

Keown always see the view of the players

@ripstainmcripstain905 2 жыл бұрын

What is wrong with that?

@Hercules003 2 жыл бұрын

If traffic lights go from green to red, will you have time to stop your car? Similarly, if you don't know you're on a yellow, as not every player gets booked if advantage is played, how can you expect players to adjust their behaviour so they don't end up with a red?

@timdurgan 2 жыл бұрын

I thought it was unfair because Martinelli is never informed there's a foul, the referee never motioned for advantage and never stopped the game. Martinelli wouldn't have gone in for the foul if he knew he was, or even could be, on a yellow already.

@MegaKINGRICHARD 2 жыл бұрын

Why do talkSPORT have so many thick pundits

@kylebradleyduckslfgamingra1470 2 жыл бұрын

Im an arsenal fan, love martinelli but the decision was correct imo

@MAA_02 2 жыл бұрын

Difference between Jimminez and Gabi is that Gabi didn’t know he was even on a yellow

@chrisgooner8901 2 жыл бұрын

Big up Martin 👍👊

@anthonyto1993 2 жыл бұрын

Haha all these comments and views coming from different supporters saying it was right for a referee to say play on from a foul throw and send the player off. Fine if thats ok then dont start complaining when its your player that is sent off

@Gagefelstead 2 жыл бұрын

It's simple. Don't commit 2 yellow card offenses if you don't want to get sent off

@imranshaikh954 2 жыл бұрын

The last caller was clearly not an arsenal fan and was on a wind up

@ste4392 2 жыл бұрын

Martin Keown wants the advantage rule abolished, so players know they've committed a bookable offence 😂

@camzabiy2637 2 жыл бұрын

Martenneli was stupid, but the red was for pushing the player when he was taking the throw as he did it in a brash way. The second challenge was dramatised and was not a harsh challenge at all.

@ashwilliams4959 2 жыл бұрын

Why bother having a voice for the sorts who argue for their side regardless of what happens 🤷

@BridgeStamford 2 жыл бұрын

Never a sending off. Nothing malicious. Yellow would have been fine

@joshuawright2030 2 жыл бұрын

2 yellow card offences. Right decision

@jiminit1 2 жыл бұрын

How is keown still on this program. Can we seriously do a poll of listeners who actually want him there! If it’s above 20% I’ll be stupidly shocked! Tbh I doubt it’s over 5%

@tommartin4389 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe Oliver was correct but why does no other ref ever implement this! Players have always got away with a second foul when they know they’re about to get booked, it’s like a freebie to them! As for the Wolves fan comparing it to Jimenez, does he not realise he was actually booked and then got himself a second yellow…. Martinelli hadn’t even been booked ffs

@darrencarter6350 2 жыл бұрын

For those saying that stopping a throw in is a yellow card...that is correct. In fact the rules state that stopping the restart of play is a yellow card. So every time a freekick or throw in is delayed by an opposition player a yellow card should be issued. The big problem is that this isn't the case and varies in application game by game, team by team, player by player and ref by ref. The time on the clock is a factor too. None of this is stated in the rules whereby discretion or interpretation is considered. If Harry Kane or Ronaldo did the same as Martinelli they wouldn't have been sent off. If you watch enough of the Prem games you'll know this to be true.

@realityalwaysbulliesopinio1961 2 жыл бұрын

I think the ref needs disciplining

@Cometohellwithme 2 жыл бұрын

If it was two fouls, then why didn’t he award two free kicks to wolves? Since you get a free kick per foul committed…the same way it’s one yellow per each foul? Why?

@brianbates212 2 жыл бұрын

Ever heard of "playing an advantage"? Or other parts of the laws of the game where it clearly spells out that two yellow card offenses equals two yellow cards even if there's no stoppage in between...

@Cvs________ 2 жыл бұрын

It cannot be a red card for the simple fact there was no advantage. The ball was out of play. He attempted to delay play by delaying a throwing. A bookable offence - yes. However, as the ball is still in the wolves players hands, it means that the game isn’t in actual play hence no advantage. Ref should have gave a yellow there and then.