🔥 Jordan & Keown's Heated Debate: How Much Do Footballers REALLY Sacrifice? 🤨

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How much do footballers really sacrifice? talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Martin Keown have their say!
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@Alph413 Жыл бұрын

Van Dyk is making 130 times my monthly wage in a week and tomorrow i start work at 5:30 so out of bed at 4:30…good night and sleep well everybody

@AlexRichie Жыл бұрын

Tell footballers to work 40 hours a week on a minimum wage and they’d be racing to get back to there ‘sacrifices’

@bs4754 Жыл бұрын

Learn the difference between “there” and “their” and you wouldn’t be working 40 hours a week for a tin of beans.

@max.8063 Жыл бұрын

@@bs4754 Jesus… calm down

@declanshanahan3888 Жыл бұрын

If you're working for minimum wage then you're not good at anything or you're a student supporting your grant. You're not an elite athlete for a start. To get to be a footballer, you need to be at it from the age of 8 and all the pressure that goes with it. My lad is in the system at 16, trust me he's worked his nuts off even to get a scholar. And by the way only the very best get close to the very top level.

@declanshanahan3888 Жыл бұрын

He doesn't call it a sacrifice either, it's a life style choice.

@goldilox811 Жыл бұрын

@@bs4754 lol

@gavinquinn2219 Жыл бұрын

Simon is right. I work nearly 60 hours a week just to have a comfortable life. Look at the state of these football players crying, making 1m a month. It's absolutely shocking.

@kingpooh6429 Жыл бұрын

So who’s fault is that then? Jealous is a terrible mindset to have

@danielbell6589 Жыл бұрын

@@kingpooh6429 who’s fault is it that footballers complain? Errrm, footballers! His point is that footballers complain, not that he is jealous because they are professional footballers and he’s not.

@TheIvanMilky Жыл бұрын

@@kingpooh6429 spoken like someone who's never worked a day in their life 🙄

@ruaiririddell3093 Жыл бұрын

Boo hoo for you Gavin.

@tinubumichael Жыл бұрын

Get over urself. That’s ur lot in life. Other people look at u and think u have it easy. So enough with the “oh they make so much money and they don’t work as hard as me so they don’t have anything to complain about.” That’s just more of that hate for millionaires and billionaires cuz “life isn’t fare.” When was the last time anyone was elbowing u in the face every week as a standard part of ur job?

@tonydew440 Жыл бұрын

This is the same issue Wenger, Alex Ferguson, Jose all stated back in the 90s and early 00s. Nothing has changed, the same amount of games are still played. If anything, you have bigger squads now, compared to back then. Also the pitches are a lot better now, sports science is better, diets, injury recovery. They didn't have that back in the 90s, when players like Owen, Keane and Shearer had really bad injuries. Look at the brazilian Ronaldo, he had a very bad injury, he still played on the dodgy pitches and when players would lunge in and tackle hard. What dd he think it was like in the 80s, 70s, 60s etc, These players today have it way more easier, I have no idea wht Van Dijk is talking about Family. He was out injured for nearly 10 Months, I reckon he spent loads of time at home. What does he think the normal every day person does when they work, they spend all day away from their family also. They are busting a gut just to live and provide a roof over their heads. Van Dijk will be retired in his late 30s, never having to work again. He can spend loads of time with his family, I think he is taking the p**s to be fair.

@FreaksSpeaks Жыл бұрын

Poor footballers. He got paid when he is off recovering. My heart Bleeds for them.

@andrewdickinson1981 Жыл бұрын

Use the squad then. It's a squad game. Complain to your manager if you're playing too much. If they want to play 20% less games then take a 20% pay cut. That's how it works in all industries.

@goattm2 Жыл бұрын

That's not how football contracts work.

@andrewdickinson1981 Жыл бұрын

@@goattm2 if you believe you're not fit then speak up.

@theblues8840 Жыл бұрын

@@andrewdickinson1981 never said he wasn’t fit. He said that’s not how football contracts work

@goattm2 Жыл бұрын

@@andrewdickinson1981 Where did I mention fitness?

@leonhughes9014 Жыл бұрын

or ask to play less and give some wages back t pay a back up player... get sick of footballer sin this country , NBA Players play every other night with way more impact on the body. granted there mins are nearly half a footy game but they are engaged in double the action per match played .

@samuelk5947 Жыл бұрын

Complaining about sacrifices whilst on £10M+ a year and retiring at most the age of 35/40, heart bleeds.

@tg-us3hw 7 ай бұрын

earning a lot of money/ retiring early, does not mean you didnt sacrifice

@ts64587 Жыл бұрын

Take away replays to reward bigger clubs with bigger budgets, replays for small clubs can be MASSIVE. Use the full squad use the youth its very simple

@FB17893 Жыл бұрын

Can’t not like Simon always talks sense and isn’t afraid to say it as it is

@kingpooh6429 Жыл бұрын

Simon is a charlatan

@matthewm3869 Жыл бұрын

except he was happy to exploit those same people paying them shite wages that he now white knights for on his way to becoming insanely rich. It's a nice argument but not from him.

@jakewalker1327 Жыл бұрын

Stop chatting rubbish

@jamesfretwell1511 Жыл бұрын

Always talks sense? Theres many things he says that doesn't make any sense, and half of them him he keeps parroting knowing hes contradicting himself.

@CLCVP Жыл бұрын

@@jamesfretwell1511few examples please

@sheaingham7275 Жыл бұрын

Keown talking nonsense! No idea what the average man has to put up with. I’ve worked in construction 30 years labouring, nearly died twice, seen people die, injured multiple times and I get £400 per week. Footballers have no clue what real life’s like, knock me sick!

@ashermaleba2267 Жыл бұрын

Well different lives, different problems. A big issue to you may be pretty small to them and vice versa. Anyways, since it's a load of bullocks, why didn't you become a pro footballer..

@Nicholas_Jackson_is_not_22 Жыл бұрын

So Martin wants the exact same number of games, but a longer period of rest between games? That would mean a month less of rest time at the end of the season. That's the only way to make it work, extend the duration of a season.

@charlieparkeris Жыл бұрын

I think he wants to add an extra month to the year, Julember.

@Lovelydropp Жыл бұрын

Ofc ur a United fan 🤣 can’t get ur head around simple stuff. How does changing games from a Saturday morning to Saturday evening/Sunday if u play in Europe on Thursday take away an extra month of the year? 🤣🤣 genuinely must be the dumbest fanbase on the planet

@EddoYT Жыл бұрын

no, he's talking mostly about fixture arrangement. especially with Europa League + Conference League being on a thursday night. EPL teams should never play 2 games on one full day rest

@johnboy14 Жыл бұрын

@@EddoYTThere's too many games, common sense should prevail. Why do we have things like the nations league? Players should not be playing in June and July between WCs and Euros. They should just say no.

@temporaryuseraccount0012 Жыл бұрын

He also wants to extend each year to 13 months to accommodate these footballers sacrifices and rest times.

@jtmmmm27 Жыл бұрын

Their paid 10-100 lifetimes worth of money for 10-15 years of an unusual workload for this very reason.

@andypandy4607 Жыл бұрын

Yeah they are bloody insufferable at times

@Pob2278 Жыл бұрын

For 90 minutes of football where the ball is in play for what 75 - 80 minutes 😂

@tylerblues2246 Жыл бұрын

Not even that much ball in play time, 55-68 mins tops. Joke innit.

@banesauce7754 Жыл бұрын

When I was doing my apprenticeship I was working monday to friday 7 - 4, on fridays I'd finish work and go straight to my second job bouncing till 6 in the morning, saturdays 6pm to 6 am. I did that for 3 years straight. And i was doing boxing during the week. That was exhausting but I never complained about it. When I hear professional athletes who "work" 6-9 months out of a year complain about being tired makes me sick, to quote Roy Keane "its your job" .

@keystone6162 Жыл бұрын

So because your job is shitty, so should everyone else's be shitty too? So you don't believe in fighting to get better conditions for yourself, but fighting to make everyone else conditions as shitty as yours? Does that make sense to you?

@goattm2 Жыл бұрын

What talent did you need for your job?

@BenHullCruise Жыл бұрын

@@goattm2 ah so having a level of ability takes more out of you than working for a living? Got it 🤣

@andypandy4607 Жыл бұрын

@@goattm2 so dismissive of your fellow man. Disappointing

@highnoon7097 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely moronic comparison to make. It's a strange trait of the British to hear that someone might have it bad and their response is to immediately make it about themselves with a "you think you have it bad, I bluddy av ter geddup at six!". Nobody cares about your apprenticeship, it has absolutely no relevance to muscle fatigue in footballers. You're assuming this is psychological issue for footballers, like they just can't be bothered playing 2-3 games a week all season. It isn't - it's a physical issue. It doesn't matter how much they are getting paid, there comes a point where your body burns out.

@mctim89 Жыл бұрын

Sacrifice? Virgil could pay my mortgage off with 9 days of his wage. I work 12 hour shifts to pay for it and it’ll take me 28 more years. He can do one.

@andypandy4607 Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's out of touch

@rohithraman6488 Жыл бұрын

yeah as if Virgil didn't have to work his backside off to get where he is today. If it's so easy why didn't I become a footballer, why didn't you become one?

@ts64587 Жыл бұрын

Average worker gets 25 days holiday, footballers get that in the summer

@tylerblues2246 Жыл бұрын

No sick pay even though you hurt yourself on the job. Boss same as the old boss a complete c@nt Poor footballers I feel for them

@Cyrus-rodn45 Жыл бұрын

2 weeks off a pro footballer gets, he has to return to the club after, do a bunch of tests, then start training for the new season, while also playing in a bunch of friendlies before the season starts.

@garypipe1770 Жыл бұрын

Simon said one thing perfectly. You can highlight a problem all you want but unless you provide a solution to that problem your going nowhere. The solutions I think of are the following: 1. Get rid of International friendlies i.e Home Nations, friendly matches. Anything that's not either qualifucation to a big tournament or the tournament itself. This will reduce the games top players play and also allow the domestic leagues to spread their games out more. Downside is the money side of the game where whoever benefits from these friendlies will be affected. 2. A forced limit how many games a player can play domestically i.e each player is only allowed to play 30 games each season for a club. This will provide the neccessary breaks but the players, managers, clubs and sponsors will hate this. The benefit would be that it would force managers to use the full squad and maybe younger players will get chances to showcase themselves. These are the only solutions I can think of. Neither is ideal but if it is a big enough issue then the solution must be equally big enough to solve it.

@rohithraman6488 Жыл бұрын

For me I like the nations league cause it's made the internationals more competitive, but I think the league cup should only be contested by teams not playing in Europe that season

@harrydrake4173 Жыл бұрын

Keown: Players need longer rest breaks Also Keown: wOrLd CuP eVeRy tWo YeArS What a dunce.

@robhernandez5520 Жыл бұрын

I think he’s talking about throughout a season not tournaments that come every couple seasons. You can easily believe both of this things at the same time once you maintain there is a fair amount of time between the games and the scheduling is done better The only thing that’s dunce like is you not thinking more than 2 seconds before posting this

@jtmmmm27 Жыл бұрын

Truth is he's split between wanting to look good to the young players and also support his mate Arsne.

@sauravthegreatestpot Жыл бұрын

Seems to me that the obvious solution would be to scrap international friendlies and tournaments like the Nations League and just play the tournaments Euros(or the equivalents for other continents), the World Cup. Every international break takes away 2 mid-week fixture dates and 1 weekend fixture date and we usually have 4-5 of the them in a season so I think that is where one can find the extra time that the players are supposedly asking for. You could reserve 4 weeks for a holiday, 4 for a pre-season, 6 weeks for a tournament (or to play qualifiers for the tournament) and leave the rest for the club season. You'd have 38 weeks left so assuming 1 weekend fixture and 1 mid-week fixture, you have 76 possible dates to accommodate 66 fixtures so you have the room in the calendar to fit in a mid-season break. Also, because there are no international breaks during the club season, you can play twice in 8 days instead of thrice in 9 days and get more of a break, while also playing fewer matches overall because there are no international friendlies. I'm not an expert on the financial and logistical details of fixture scheduling but looks like the only way to have fewer matches is to cut down on the international fixtures because the finances of club football make it impossible to cut down fixtures.

@Pob2278 Жыл бұрын

Players should just say No to international duty if they have been injured! They just won’t, that’s the issue!

@yoyomama99 Жыл бұрын

no way they scrap international friendlies and nations league my man.. UEFA and international football conferences need da money too.

@pizzagateisreal Жыл бұрын

I work 8 hours in a warhorse heavy manual labour 6 a.m till 2 p.m walk 45 mins each way then go the gym 5 times a week for 1.5 hours for £10 an hour. Don't tell me about tiredness. Makes me sick

@sheaingham7275 Жыл бұрын

Well said!

@thelegendthatischels Жыл бұрын

You should have been a footballer then

@ashermaleba2267 Жыл бұрын

Why aren't you a pro footballer then? Most don't have what it takes, because of the intensity... earning millions doesn't mean you're less of a human.

@vizuz Жыл бұрын

@@ashermaleba2267 Not everyone has the talent or had the opportunity to play football since a young age.

@gingermcginge6466 Жыл бұрын

@@ashermaleba2267 means better recovery. Better surgeons, better physio, better food, better drink all round better lifestyle. Train 5 hours go home and chill. Most people get injured playing recreational football but still go to work on the Monday if they’re lucky and if not they won’t be paid.

@msv7856 Жыл бұрын

Simon Jordan is STILL on top!

@TheLlamaKid Жыл бұрын

Facts

@MW92. Жыл бұрын

Simon = top lad proper clobber

@msv7856 Жыл бұрын

@@MW92. I remember you from the live chat haha

@marcwillett9592 Жыл бұрын

What a pair - Best morning of the week when Martin comes in

@ruaiririddell3093 Жыл бұрын

That's fair

@yarns1701 Жыл бұрын

Martin Keown … the gift that keeps on giving.

@NOBODY-cn6fj Жыл бұрын

🏆

@steveredman2439 Жыл бұрын

Thick as a submarine door.

@NOBODY-cn6fj Жыл бұрын

@@steveredman2439 invincible 🏆☺️

@AG-kx1el Жыл бұрын

Well ten hag ain’t complaining we have been playing every 3 days since the World Cup

@frasierfreak92 Жыл бұрын

He will do next season when the squad feel the effects of it.

@rishbademha Жыл бұрын

You can’t have it both ways. Footballers can actually play a game every day. It’s just that the quality would be really lacking and there would be far more injuries. This argument is basically everyday people saying I do my job 5 days a week. So should you for that money Sadly the human body can’t sustain the physicality of elite football everyday no matter how much money you give a player

@user-vs1br5uu2l Жыл бұрын

Exactly. We want to see the best players at their highest level of performance playing against each other. And extra 100k a week doesn't speed up recovery

@dosi4080 Жыл бұрын

Perfectly spot on, I think everyone has become way to FASCINATED by how much footballers earn rather than basic well-being. No matter how much money can be pumped into physical development can make them play every 3-4 days at a prominent level over a 4-5-year period without any muscular/non-contact injury. How can we be entertained when they are not playing.

@dosi4080 Жыл бұрын

Look at Rooney, Perfect example Pedri is facing muscular injuries after playing over 60 games straight

@rohithraman6488 Жыл бұрын

And it's a short career as well. You don't see Zidane still out on the pitch at 50 years of age

@matthewobrien5348 Жыл бұрын

“I hadn’t finished” hahahahahahah Just beautiful to watch lol 😂

@garyhorsburgh9711 Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@wackyadz06 Жыл бұрын

"Well finish then" hahaha

@charliewalters536 Жыл бұрын

Is there any data on injuries / recovery times. How would it be if the number of days between games for pro players was given as a minimum of 5? Would that help players avoid more injuries? I don't know - I just wonder if there is any research?

@civildiscourse7626 Жыл бұрын

It’s not about sacrifice but it is about performance, this World Cup was the best I’ve seen and I think it’s because when it’s usually played in the summer players come into the tournament drained after the season, whilst this time they were fresh

@hazacarrobinson6673 Жыл бұрын

yes i said this to a few ppl,they were still in mid season form for this World Cup,but now how does this affect the club teams,do the players get even more tired more quickly now because of a mid season World Cup??discussion can go on for days

@yoyomama99 Жыл бұрын

the bottom line is what Simon is saying, the scheduling and fixture lists of football is tightly intertwined with the economic side of it, which has become so enormous that it needed this frequency of games in a year. If footballers wanna rest more, then they would need to be ready to accept lesser pay, that is the gist of it.

@shauncrossey8184 Жыл бұрын

Bruno fernandes says hi Virgil. This guys played every single minute of every game for about 3 months since December

@davidpeters3857 Жыл бұрын

Didn’t realise he was also returning from a cruciate ligament op

@shauncrossey8184 Жыл бұрын

@@davidpeters3857 I’m sure VVD had played every single game before that injury though. Be interesting to see if the same thing happens to Bruno though, then we’ll know it has to be burnout that causes this

@andrewdickinson1981 Жыл бұрын

Martin Keown can not win this argument. Going in for "training' when it involves getting massaged for an hour then practicing some passing etc is not hard. Pre season is when the fitness training occurs and that would be horrid. But the rest of the season is tactics and the fitness is kept playing games.

@theblues8840 Жыл бұрын

You know this from your medical degree do you? Why do footballers ever stop playing then if playing keeps you fit? There’s obviously a balance and too much of anything can be harmful and considering it’s backed up by the increased injuries in congested fixture runs it’s undeniable

@sandilesibanyoni2244 Жыл бұрын

I need proof of your claim

@zimprince195 Жыл бұрын

Lol one can tell you've never played sports 🤣🤣

@rexrickard6333 Жыл бұрын

Pms are you siding with simon hahaha ya kno he is good at debating and english, big words etc. But Martin is a professional sportsman and has walked the walk he knows!...simons always got a gobfull of spit and something to say.

@andrewwright4195 Жыл бұрын

@@rexrickard6333Simon them mps who got pay rises for no reason

@daviel1005 Жыл бұрын

The few footballers who in theory average a game a week over the course of 12 months don't actually play that many matches as they are rested as and when necessary throughout the season. Even guys like De Bruyne and Haaland have been rotated a bunch of times this season. The reality is there are 38 league games and then maybe a handful of important cup games at the tail end of the season, after which they get a complete break for a month or so. I don't think the demands on modern players are quite as punishing as Martin suggests.

@bizarresportynerd6136 Жыл бұрын

We’re talking about the players playing 50+ game season plus international fixtures. The amount of games cramped into a short space of time is very taxing on the body regardless of the amount of money they make. I play at the bottom of semi pro footy. We had to play 2 games a week for the past month. Just one month. We have had 9-10 injuries. By the end of that month i had a new found respect for pro players that do it at the highest level week after week.

@danielward7008 Жыл бұрын

@@bizarresportynerd6136 What do you think about top tennis players playing up to 70 or 80 matches a year while living out of a suitcase because the tournaments are all over the world? That's a demanding schedule but you don't hear them complaining about it. They just get fit and get on with it.

@bizarresportynerd6136 Жыл бұрын

@@danielward7008 well tennis is a completely different ball game (literally). But tennis players have no physical contact so I wouldn’t really compare the two but i get where you’re coming from.

@ossiaigbedo7223 Жыл бұрын

Simply put if anyone csn do it everyone should be doing it. I’ve tested athletes their numbers are insane. Everyone thinks they can be a footballer. Don’t kid yourself, the pace, stamina and strength required for the sport is ridiculous and would see most people pick up an injury within a month that ruled them out for the rest of the season. Their durability is insane. For example most people think they can play in the nba till they have to play for 15 minutes then realise these guys are pure athletes, even something like f1, the corners the turn and the amount of g force produced would snap the average persons neck. They’re paid insane because they’ve been dedicated and honed their craft to insane figures.

@EnglishRoots11 Жыл бұрын

Squads are massive now a days. Don't see the problem. If you are fit and able then play. Most of us dreamed of being a professional footballer when we were young, but only the lucky, talented, hard working ones make it.

@inkgun3993 Жыл бұрын

I knew what Simon would say even before he started

@papaaddo6270 Жыл бұрын

Yeah. It was in the title of the video

@Rain188 Жыл бұрын

I think the biggest hardship for elite footballers is to endure all the criticism and social bullying. Look at what happens to Nymar, Ronaldo, etc ( not fan of either btw)

@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere Жыл бұрын

Not to mention managers getting it even worse. Graham Potter getting death threats, Simon Jordan says "it just comes with the territory". Imagine a CEO (on similar money to footballers) and receiving death threats for how they conduct their daily working duties

@leonhughes9014 Жыл бұрын

they sell social media posts for 500k each.. im sure that eases some bad words

@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere Жыл бұрын

@@leonhughes9014 oh yeah that's fine then just racially abuse them as you see fit

@leonhughes9014 Жыл бұрын

@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere no one mentioned race... its people like you who constantly mention colour are the problem. you can't get rid of racism, its extremely dull to think so. but what tyou can do is stop brining it up so that young people have a lear perspective.

@JnoPrds Жыл бұрын

@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere don’t need to imagine. Happens to all of them.

@powerfulme5190 Жыл бұрын

Chasing the sun - a must watch. Although related to rugby the first thing the springbok coach did in a failing team is make them realise how privileged they are. And put it in perspective rugby players get Sunday off with Monday to Friday having 3 sessions. 1 gym 1 tactical and one fitness. A much more difficult lifestyle arguably

@Jsquadgamers Жыл бұрын

The solution is play to get paid in their contracts. Add clauses for injuries, sickness, family emergencies, compassionate leave etc. But if someone is in the line up, on the bench, or at least prepared for 50 games, pay that player. If a player is burnt out, needs rest, wants load management or anything like that then a percentage comes out their wage. Imo it's a decent compromise.

@vincentkariuki4227 Жыл бұрын

That doesn't work because for ons reason or another a player might get benched or left out of the match day squad or sent to practice with the under21 team,the player will they claim their is some kind of collusion btwn upper management and the coach to void his guarantees cos he didn't meet those markers that mightve nothing to do with his play...sounds like lawsuits waiting to happen The way it works best is through insentivising via the bonuses in the contract not pay cuts...ie if you play 90% of the game there is an extra amount you get...if we win the champions league you get an extra amount but you must've played all through the knockout stages

@Jsquadgamers Жыл бұрын

I hear what your saying, but that's why I said if a player is at least prepared to play that should be fine. Clauses in contracts can address a lot of what you said aswell. I'll give you an example, I'm a West Ham fan (god help me) we paid 50 million for Andy Carrol who averaged 18 games for us over 6 seasons and got paid 90k a week. 🤨. Paying 90k a week for a player who in the end needed ankle surgery and was out 80% of the 18/19 season never sat well with me. Pay in conciliation to availability in these cases should be put into contracts - Carroll should've had a percentage deducted from his wage simply because he wasn't there to do his job, say 40%. He'd still be earning 36k a week to sit on the couch! In total contrast to my job, if I'm injured or I'm sick, I have an allocated amount of sick pay but once that's over I'm not getting paid anything 😂. Some of these players are being paid a fortune, I think it's fair to be at least available to play in order to be entitled for full pay.

@MrAbzGaming Жыл бұрын

To be a top pro footballer you have to sacrifice your childhood - Simon is clueless about how they even get to such a level to begin with. Wonder how many 16 yr olds Simon knows who worked tirelessly to achieve their dreams sacrificing weekends.

@chinaallthetime69 Жыл бұрын

It's not much of a sacrifice when you're playing a game you love, with the prospect of making a career out of it.

@rohithraman6488 Жыл бұрын

@@chinaallthetime69 Even if you love the game you still have to work your backside off to get to the top. Jamie Vardy wasn't told he was going to be a millionaire and famous when he was young, the guy had a rough upbringing and he had to work hard to earn those big wages in the first place, and win the PL, FA cup, golden boot, play in the UCL etc

@Madyoke Жыл бұрын

Sacrifice is a bad word as it suggests you give your life (or some of it) for nothing in return, players sacrifice nothing, They INVEST , their time, their effort , they sweat, their bodies and they get a return on that investment. A MASSIVE return

@lifesahike1679 Жыл бұрын

I've been working with a 64 year old year man today who put 5 tonne of tarmac down on the roads ,which he has done everyday for years .join the real world .

@gaffs82 Жыл бұрын

Guy should have worked harder at school.

@Dan-mm1yl Жыл бұрын

Or become a footballer

@willgoodall1529 Жыл бұрын

73 games in 365 days. Gutted for the lad

@davidg7643 Жыл бұрын

Nurses and nursing assistants and cops put in sacrifices, million pound earning footballers do not.

@theblues8840 Жыл бұрын

Is there an audience for people like nurses and cops then? Do millions of people want to watch them do their job and spend their money on watching them? No there isn’t, so how do you suppose nurses get paid footballer level wages when there isn’t a market to sell it on?

@craigderby4416 Жыл бұрын

He never said that did he? Nurses sacrifice not these overpaid pansies

@davidg7643 Жыл бұрын

Can’t argue that nurses and cops deserve millions, of course not…I’m just saying that they sacrifice far more than elite footballers. Chronic shift work literally kills you, and people doing shift work forever are often in the low rungs of society. Have you ever seen a footballers schedule? They train in the morning then go home at lunchtime. They do not put in sacrifices and I’ll never ever feel sorry for them on the basis of their job being hard.

@JAEGATS Жыл бұрын

@@craigderby4416No one made them take the job

@craigderby4416 Жыл бұрын

@@JAEGATS ye I no that? What's your point

@mickygill6280 Жыл бұрын

i mean if orur playing on a Thursday in Europe then back on Saturday early kick off yeah maybe a little tired etc.... but training 2/3 hours a day then having massages and your chef cook food for you.... cmon lol people work 12 hours 6 days a week that tiring

@brianvandegrift8407 Жыл бұрын

Jim said Arteta was complaining about that but they haven’t played a Europa league match since BEFORE the World Cup. So I believe he was referring to the game they played Wednesday AT HOME vs Everton. Not like he needed his full strength team to deal with that.😂😂😂

@scrapydan3251 Жыл бұрын

Managers have a Squad of 26 players and the top clubs have better depth in that squad the managers should utilise that squad depth more to give players the rest they so desperately crave.

@christophernoble3581 Жыл бұрын

Martin Keown is so off this world. Simon well done, noemal people work harder sacrificing time with family

@shoji-josuzuki1641 Жыл бұрын

They should just add a cap on the number of games a player is allowed to play per season and force teams to use the squad + youth players No player can play more than 50 competitive games in total in a season (inclusive of all cups) All registered players must start at least 15 competitive club fixtures in a season unless they cannot due to injury If they don't have the first team players available then bring in youth players. No players can be called up for international duty if they have missed any club fixtures due to injury in the last 30 days. No player can play more than 3 international fixtures in a row No more long haul flights for pre season, mid season or end of season friendlies, as travel will no doubt take its toll eventually too. The issue is that clubs and players really don't actually care about playing too many games, they want as much revenue as possible and use burnout as an excuse when things don't go their way.

@user-ty5xy6cs9d Жыл бұрын

I work 5 days a week and go training and play on a Sunday lol this has to be a joke 😂 sacrifice is when I have to work the Saturday and play Sunday and still have no money 😂🤣

@jesus8772 Жыл бұрын

Just get on with it. Most people work five days a week for an annual salary that these football players earn in a few days. They get world class facilities/medical/meal preparations to go training and play a couple games a week. Then they can retire 35 years before the ordinary bloke 🙄

@ssmufc9941 Жыл бұрын

Are we forgetting that in between the training sessions and games, players also have classroom and tactical sessions, travelling, media, charity etc. Its all full time work. I don’t care how much you’re paid, you have the same number of available hours in the week that you’re limited by. I don’t care how fit you are, there are physical limits. I don’t care how looked after you are, worldwide attention and expectations weigh on your mental well-being.

@JamesSmith-ds2hi Жыл бұрын

If it’s that much of a hardship, let’s see how many players rip up their contract, and get an office job on £20,000 a year working 9 to 5 yeah?

@yomo1690 Жыл бұрын

3 hrs a day? Full time work? R u for real?

@andrewwright4195 Жыл бұрын

@@JamesSmith-ds2hind mps have full time job say yes like kids right but get pay rise every month bus and trains sit down all day but get pay rise every few months too if we going cut money cut it at mps landlord's renting prices so we can live

@silkali007 Жыл бұрын

What's funny is most people work 9 to 5 and look forward to their hobby of playing or watching football at the weekend watching people who should feel privileged to have a 10 15 year career which is gonna leave them set for life when they retire before even midlife and they still find ways to complain about it.. it honestly is ridiculous..

@roamey Жыл бұрын

Let’s not forget the sacrifice is over a very short career in the relative sense and for a serious money

@jasonkelly727 Жыл бұрын

Squad size should be 25. A few more top players gives managers more options for purchase and rotation. Hell even baseball gets a 27 man roster.

@andrewdickinson1981 Жыл бұрын

U21 dont count, so most clubs have a larger squad with youngsters. The solution is use a squad, not less games. But that doesn't suit the top clubs, that's the issue.

@lewismiles6082 Жыл бұрын

Love Simon he’s absolutely bang on, I work everyday Monday to Friday 60 hour weeks on minimum wage to get by while everything is going up! They shouldn’t complain they’ve got it sssooooo EASY compared to normal people like me! There salary is ridiculous!!!

@Resonance971 Жыл бұрын

they got it easy? why didn't you become a footballer then? Not because of talent I bet but because you wouldn't have worked as hard as they did while being kids

@balajiraju4157 Жыл бұрын

@@Resonance971 it is genetic that's why asian due to being smaller in size are not performing at top level in football...not all people have genetic and talent...world is unfair but nobody care about average people then why should we feel sorry for rich footballers

@burnaardnufc3173 9 ай бұрын

You work 5 12hr shifts a week for minimum wage? That's brutal. You a careworker or something?

@registame2878 Жыл бұрын

Thats it tailor make everything for all the teams with bigger squads and more money… if your not fit rest and let someone else in the squad take your place. 4 day weeks where you only do 2/3 hours a day and do nothing what so ever

@MinisterManDan 2 ай бұрын

It’s one of those things where everyone is right. There’s too many games and it effects player health leading to more injury, and also there’s no way to fix it because the bills need to be paid and the players aren’t going to take pay cuts over it. It is the definition of “it is what it is.”

@simonmccullagh1830 Жыл бұрын

its called having a squad and rotation. yes am sure they wanna play tho keown wants everyone too rest so u have same 11 playes on pitch and u spread games out so they recover from injury wat crazyness

@Kyleterp1 Жыл бұрын

Coaches can rotate players more. Players can retire from the international game. You Could play for a club that isn’t playing in Europe and only plays once a week for more “rest”

@ivansmith3759 Жыл бұрын

Dont have premier league teams play the first team in carabao or FA cup then. Give the others a chance and that will also be good for the lower league teams to progress and make more money

@howlbeast Жыл бұрын

It’s the manager duty to rest players or sub them in/out

@redpandasquare8249 Жыл бұрын

Didn`t hear Simone talking about "money" when Chelsea spent a fortune this winter. He was saying "Don`t mind someone else pocket". Also, he was saying, it is not footballers fault some else is happy to pay that amount. And here, he is suddenly talking about footballers money and compare it to other people in this country. Basically, he uses it to fit his narrative. You either happy with amount money in the football or not. They are simply doing their job as anybody else in this world. Cause same can be applied to other high-earners, including singers, actors and celebrities.

@vincentkariuki4227 Жыл бұрын

I haven't been a listener for that long but my gauge is that Simon is a ultra capitalist above all else....maximising profit and minimising cost,I think whats hard for him to swallow with today's football economics is players are earning as much as VC of hedge funds and CEOs when for most of those teams there isn't an added value to having those players on enormous wages...with how the epl works,as long as you're average you are guaranteed over 110mil per season...I thinks he needs to change his mindset on where he sees the players in the football food chain...Good to great players are their own economies in a way...not saying they are bigger than the clubs and their supporters but if you are that player who's great and is global there is no way you are going to cap their earning potential or hold down their salaries just cos you think it's alot....for example over the last decade it didn't matter who was playing alongside Messi people both away and home matches went to see him play,they were selling out stadiums which led to a famous production company to curate a show centered around messi(they did that for global musical acts),people were going to watch shows based on the greatness of a football player so you can't tell me with that much attention that equates to dollar amounts that certain players aren't worthy of the money they are getting despite is being enormous to the common man...most of the great players aren't workers they do partnerships with their teams....for instance when PSG got neymar for 200m,do you think they were only interested in his footballing exploits or did they see him as an opportunity and their way into the Latin Market cos of who he is outside of playing football

@stuartkelly2411 Жыл бұрын

What a tube you are

@Fbdochrk-ns4lw Жыл бұрын

Does Martin understand less games mean less money coming in to the world of football? Not everyone is a Manchester United or Manchester City, Martin.

@delking7111 Жыл бұрын

Keown still lives in the bubble that all the footballers live in today.Ultra privileged,multimillionaires by their early 20s,a few hours training,loads of hours on social media.What a life.

@Dan-mm1yl Жыл бұрын

They have got to work hard and be gifted to be a premier league footballers if it was that easy we would all be able to sign for a top club They deserve the money they get most have them have made sacrifices since early childhood to get where they are

@bjornlang9480 Жыл бұрын

Privileged how?

@bjornlang9480 Жыл бұрын

@@Dan-mm1ylthat's what these fat bums dont understand. IF IT WERE THAT EASY, WE'D ALL DOING IT. PLUS, THEY EARNED THE RIGHT TO BE MAKING THAT MONEY.

@naf2038 Жыл бұрын

@@bjornlang9480 They get paid millions, train for 2 hours a day, play football in front of thousands of adoring fans, have the best coaches, physicians, dieticians, have their own chefs, agents, get free tickets to events, etc... They live a 5 star lifestyle and retire in their 30's with a great life still ahead of them! Do you live on planet earth or what?

@minnielee3399 Жыл бұрын

You omiited the obligatory fancy haircuts, tattoos, flash cars, women....

@caleb0388 Жыл бұрын

Simon is wrong here. The players train with the ball for 2 hours, but they also do gym work and recovery work so in total in takes 6 hours per day at least. However, it's not a sacrifice. Simon tried to bait Keown into a fight, but Keown showed his class here

@craigderby4416 Жыл бұрын

Wow what sacrifice, the poor lambs

@caleb0388 Жыл бұрын

@@craigderby4416 huh?

@JamesSmith-ds2hi Жыл бұрын

So can Joe blogs call up he’s boss on a Wednesday and say he’s not coming to work today because he’s “burned out”? 😂

@keithrafferty2060 Жыл бұрын

Mental rest is just as important as body rest, my wife works in mental health treatment, you have no idea how much of a strain that is. My mother told me long ago, she would have rather my father had beat her, other than express his difficulties through his mind games . Yes, footballers, they are highly paid, but they have difficulties as everyone does. Money doesn't buy sanity. They are not machines lest we forget, you never know what someone is going through. P.s My father and I have reconciled, I love him dearly :)

@chunky-d3204 Жыл бұрын

Its easy to fix just make a rule saying every player in a 25 man squad must play a percentage of football each season, then top players have to be rested 🤷‍♂️

@AJ-xv7oh Жыл бұрын

So Virgil has to make these huge sacrifices by eating right and getting treatment everyday for any injury 🤣 it's embarrassing.

@jcanyiam8309 Жыл бұрын

VVD- IS SO VERY SPECIAL- 38 PL matches, ALL 3 CUP GAMES- ALL International games and All World Cup games- It's just a matter of time before it catches up on the body! (YNWA)

@adrianrobinson9756 Жыл бұрын

Wikipedia - on Simon Jordan @ Crystal palace - No potential buyers came forward to make a bid for Palace, and the club became embroiled in deep financial trouble. Rumours persisted of personal financial difficulties as Jordan faced cash flow problems relating to wage payments at the club in November and December 2009.[5] On 26 January 2010 Crystal Palace went into administration and Jordan's ownership came to an end.

@zachgratton5094 Жыл бұрын

The only thing I can think of is time and that is it

@chrisdnz7 Жыл бұрын

Take money off the table for a minute. As fans you want your team to win every game. Do we want our best players on the park every match, in the best possible condition they can be or do we want them at 85% ? Less games may be the difference of that 15% and that could be the difference between winning vs not winning. The money they earn is a joke regardless of the number of games they play. Their wages should be a low base salary heavily topped up with win bonuses as a squad not an individual

@andrewwright4195 Жыл бұрын

Can we stop mps and train people get pay rise for sitting down all day teaches sit down all day too and buses but they want rise every month is that allowed? Movies stars landlord's should I go on

@BoxingNBeards175 Жыл бұрын

They can rest when they retire at 35 36 or 37,it’s like saying a man or women can not work 5-6 days a week bloody ridiculous argument eee

@danwatson2757 Жыл бұрын

FIFA, UEFA and All other governing bodies should have come together and set salary caps that are reviewed periodically or on new significant commercial deals. I and many others feel players have lost touch with fans and indeed reality largely due to their status and wages. This may be a developing problem for football.

@danielberry4765 Жыл бұрын

Salary caps = illegal

@TheTumbler05 Жыл бұрын

It’s ALL SKY’S FAULT going back to 1992, corrupting the game with too much money..

@themessenger6664 Жыл бұрын

Whether you get paid astronomical sums or not the body needs to rest and recover. Don't complain if we don't get quality games when footballers are run into the ground. Put jordon and white through the bleep test relentlessly and see them wilt like crumble pie. football is hard physically and mentally . the abuse amd security comes with it aswell as family having to be put into the spotlight of possible attack. That's what the money is for the whole package .

@andrewwright4195 Жыл бұрын

I agree with money wise but we have to look at movies and mps and other things too

@1860mc Жыл бұрын

It's that tough we regularly see footballers quit football to go and work like normal people. Oh wait there no we don't.

@rob-sm9ur 9 ай бұрын

The smirk between Jim and Simon at 2.44 is perfect!!

@captainshandygaming5280 Жыл бұрын

I understand Simons perspective, but footballlers are not responsible for the football circus being so valuable. I get they are paid ridiculously and dont make the sacrifices we do, but ultimately its in every fans interest for the best players to be fit and performing. We pay to watch the best players play their best football, and the schedule is hindering that. It's also misleading to say its 52 games over a year. It isnt a game a week over in 9/10 months, but often 2, and recovery is important. Biology doesn't care about your bank balance, so their wages are irrelevant. I'd like to see some u25 rules added to the league Cup and even the early stages of FA Cup games for PL games. Keep replays as they're massive for the small clubs.

@benjyeaton7161 Жыл бұрын

This is why teams have big squads so players aren't expected to play every game

@wtfamiactuallyright1823 Жыл бұрын

It not the season it's the managers. Use your full squad, give the youngsters more chances. If I hear one more player complaining about it, or someone defending them for complaining about it I'm gonna throw a hissy fit. Shall we put a limit on the amount of games a player can play each season, I'm sure that'll shut them up.

@jamieedwards4848 Жыл бұрын

So Martin wants players to have a proper rest during the summer, but has spoken on talk sport in the past on how he agrees with Wenger that a world cup should be played every 2 years.

@Ryan-White2010 Жыл бұрын

All martin said was the players need a little bit more rest to give 100% in each game Simon bring money in to it that's all Simon bring everything back to.

@AM-so9oq Жыл бұрын

Only thing I will say in Keowns defence is that everyone keeps harping on about what they’re paid, but no amount of money can buy away fatigue, muscle ache, joint ache. Which then hinders top players from performing, criticism then gets given by the fans saying you’re paid to be perform at this level, so players therefore want to prove themselves so play as much as possible etc. Vicious cycle, their bank accounts don’t make the physical demand any easier, they’re bodies are human just like everyone else’s. However I agree that it’s the players choice to play the 50-60 games a season, could easily ask for a rest every now n then, wouldn’t affect the fans or clubs opinion of them

@nathanking596 Жыл бұрын

Only sensible comment I have seen. Everyone else seems to be licking Simon's behind.

@Jakealexcliff Жыл бұрын

Nonsense if they don't like the aches and pains retire then if no amount of money can help that 🤣 they get paid while injured as well no other real life job pays you to have a year of like van dijk had

@AlexRichie Жыл бұрын

@@Jakealexcliff agreed

@AM-so9oq Жыл бұрын

@@Jakealexcliff you’ve clearly not had much involvement in football mate so I’ll try make this simple for ya, name me a time where you’ve been in pain or genuinely knackered and you paid to get rid of it? Such a weird thing to say, acting like being wealthy makes u exempt from injury and fatigue. As I said, they have every opportunity to ask for a rest it’s not going to affect them being picked when they are fit, but ur goin on like if a pro baller pulled their hammy this weekend they should just wrap it in doe n they’ll heal quicker 😂😂😂😂

@terryboy1894 Жыл бұрын

Love Fridays when keowns in there going at it with Simon

@ROCKYBLUEDOGS Жыл бұрын

Apart from the wages footballers have the best of everything and are protected from the real world issues which we all have to deal with.

@pessf400 10 ай бұрын

Top 5 leagues is irrelevant. Callum McGregor at Celtic was playing the most games per season in Europe for Celtic and Scotland and he’s never complained once.

@goonern4644 Жыл бұрын

Btw Matin will always be an invincible. Simon won't always be a club owner. Messi is 36 . But he joked that Martin only had 4 appearances in the invincible side at 38. Smh.

@cheesybellend6842 Жыл бұрын

Does anybody in the world actually agree with keown😂, 2 hours a day all meals cooked and massaged , or ye and 200 k a week for doing so

@kadarabdullahi Жыл бұрын

People on here claiming they are better than professional athletes because they work in a warehouse is just cracking me up 😂

@Dan-mm1yl Жыл бұрын

They should leave their 12 hour shift minimum wage jobs and sign for a premier league club if its that easy. But it ain't and they can't Footballers at the top get paid so we'll because not many people can do it

@naf2038 Жыл бұрын

That's not what anyone is saying, you must be thicker than a whales lip if you don't understand?

@kadarabdullahi Жыл бұрын

@@Dan-mm1yl LMAO!! Exactly!

@ryanhasagirl11 Жыл бұрын

10:34 if that’s the case you’ll be preventing future stars etc and ruin potential careers that’s the beauty of a squad, you’d make the game so boring and unsustainable how can you vet your young talent if you’ll always playing your best 11 every match, you’ll be in the position klopp is in now an aging fatigued squad, a player gets injured a youngster steps up and shows the manager he can do the job or better and even if when the player comes back and the manager doesn’t want the youngster his market value would’ve gone up and both the club and player benefit, the best managers ie sir Alex rotated even his best players etc and rebuilt the team with younger stars etc it shows the real ones from the rest

@tangelini1971 Жыл бұрын

Easily fixable: play less games (far too many games in many cases avoidable), earn less money (diminishing the product the rewards will be lower). Simples!

@sonictheheadchog9698 Жыл бұрын

Reduce the number of Champions League and Europe League games then, or will that means the players will have to take a pay cut? We all know that won't happen.

@larrymcavoy2940 Жыл бұрын

Love listening to Simon

@Nicholas_Jackson_is_not_22 Жыл бұрын

A comeback from an injury like that is difficult. But if you're talking about burnout Fernandez is top of that list. [Knock on wood.]

@Pob2278 Жыл бұрын

I m just waiting for his decline in March!

@andrewwright4195 Жыл бұрын

He didn't have bad knee injury when someone thought it would be funny to do to him

@JoeyMoey91 Жыл бұрын

Just take all prem teams who finish in European places, out of the league cup. Gives them midweek breaks, allows someone outside the 'top 6' to win a trophy, and spreads the fixture list for the teams in champs/Europa league

@litchfiedr Жыл бұрын

Why have so many players in the squad.. the manager has a choice to rotate to protect so called suffering players

@aidenbirkett4553 Жыл бұрын

Ex players/players complaining about burn out yet my team Bradford city play saturday and tuesday plus cup games as well and dont complain. These prem teams have a huge squad and should rotate for them and stop booing complain to ur manager to rest u if not get ur 100mill a year and stop complaining.

@user-ie2qx4co5z Жыл бұрын

Il maybe tell my manager on Monday that I've burnout and need a rest but still want full pay 🤣🤣🤣

@googleuser4467 Жыл бұрын

If players believe they are over work then they should reduce the amount of games they pay and reduce the salary in line with society.

@Webbo011 Жыл бұрын

of course its an hardship you know how taxing it is on body to perform at that level week in week out! the level of fitness and skill and endurance!, your smoking crack!!!! if you think normal people can do that in any sport at the highest level