thanks to Ruslan this is a fascinating conversation

I am 67 years old. This is one of the most instigating and lucid things I have heard lately. Many of the takes expressed here are spot on. Not to engage with this after 44 years of ministry, 30 of which as a reformed charismatic bishop who has been immersed in the Great Tradition, of late, would be sin. Thank you Martin.

As one of the older folks, my advice is just go to church, week after week. It will become a part of you and you will become part of it. That is how I would start. 💙🙏

Wow Martin was cooking in this! It's interesting he talks about his experience on his vigil. There's this moment that always stuck with me. When i was an unbeliever, my mom sent me to this catholic retreat and we went to this christian play or something in this outdoor amphitheater, and it was a warm day with literally no wind at all, and out of nowhere we are sitting there and this incredible gust of wind comes out of nowhere and blows across the crowd for a few moments and then disappears and it goes back to being no wind for the rest of the day. The entire crowd kind of nervously laughed because it was so weird. I'm 35 now, and I must have been 11 or 12. I didn't become a Christian until i was 29, but even when I was an atheist I was constantly reminded of that day, because it was just THAT STRANGE where it even sent a chill down the spine of a militant atheist decades later. I don't think i will ever forget that moment for the rest of my life.

Martin you have inspired me. I love your advice to “ go for a walk and find something to be admired by you…” and “ wonder is ever present…”

This man’s spiritual journey really mirrors mine. So incredibly thankful to have found my spiritual home in the original and only church of Christ in the Eastern Orthodox Church. ☦️☦️❤️🙏🏻

Martin Shaw, Paul Kingsnorth, and these new and surprising concerts (or perhaps recognitions or rememberings) are a true light in the darkness. Praise be to God for these times we are living in ☦️

It's this message that transforms despair into hope, darkness into light, confusion into coherence. This message provides gratitude for your old negative as stark contrast to your new positive.

Have been loving this podcast from across the pond. Listening to Martin Shaw and Paul Kingsnorth resonates deeply. A friend posted this C. S. Lewis quote and it seems appropriate. “Peace, a high standard of life, hygiene, transport, science and amusement - all these, which is what we usually mean by civilization, have been our ends. It will be replied that our concern for civilization is very natural and very necessary at a time when civilization is so imperiled. But how if the shoe is on the other foot? - how if civilization has been imperiled precisely by the fact that we have all made civilization our summum bonum? Perhaps it can be preserved in that way. Perhaps civilization will never be safe until we care for something else more than we care for it.” C.S. Lewis from his essay ‘First And Second Things’ (God in the Dock) written circa 1942.

I found this video because of Ruslan. Thank you.

This was so wonderful, I am sharing it even with my priest. I am grateful for his candor about Jordan Peterson who has been frustrating me for a while now. Matin Shaw has cleared that up with down to earth, understandable, clear, concise, language. Such a contrast!

Ah, this really blessed me. I'm a writer and i understand the mythic in our stories and lives but i was wavering a bit about my stories because some of them are not "obviously" Christian. My son is going to be baptized as an Orthodox Christian although he was raised episcopalian and I am charismatic. Martin's peace in the Orthodox faith gives me peace about that denomination now. Thanks so much.

“I don’t need everything stretched on the rack of exegesis.” BRILLIANT way of putting it.

If only we had 5 hundred thousand Martin Shaws.

Onwards with gratitude

So needed to hear this! Thank you I’ve been drawn to and amazed by the story of CS Lewis and Tolkien. And thanks for pointing to Hope and Adventure and Revival and Mystery think I need to dream and pray! Well done!

This was amazing, thank you. I am in this process at the moment and it is so important for those of us doing so to have these kinds of talks available to us so we don't feel so alone.

For me, Moby Dick was an interesting way of of getting to grips with the disenchantment of the world that I found myself in. Martin Luthers break with the church, the subsequent search for certainty, the dismissal of the imagination for facts, and the obsession with the Old Testament drive for retribution is all present in Melvilles work. I do think the observation of Epic and Lyric poetry is particularly salient in these days. I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation with Martin. Thank you so much.

So marvelous--thank you!!

I just discovered this guy😀. What a great mind. So grateful to KZfaq for letting us find brilliance like this! ❤

Amen! Thank you so much!

I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE the "way of the pilgrim." I read it every couple of years.

Beautiful conversation!

So much synchronicity in this for me. Thank you for doing this interview!❤

Very interesting and engaging.

Transforming conversation thank you.

Wow. Thank you 🙏🙏

I love this. It makes so much sense to me to feel more moved by stories than people. I think there's something safer about the narrative, it seems deep into the unconscious and pulls something out.

This is brilliantly expressed. I think that everyone who really loves Jesus as a child but loses sight of Him in their church experience as a teen looking for deeper answers comes back through a miraculous experience, a touchpoint in which Jesus says, "Yes, I am real. You can trust Me. I have been here all along."

Amen

Moby Dick is a book that I keep next to my tv chair, alongside The Peregrine-and know that when what’s on the screen dulls the senses, I can open it at random and always read something BRILLIANT ✨📖🙏🏼🌊🐋 Like Chris Hedges so wisely said, “We are all aboard The Pequod…” ⚓️🌊🐟

Last night I re-listened to Martin Shaw's wildly beautiful two-episode appearance on The Almanac of Ireland. I listen to it from time to time when I need to remember to come out of a trance state from work or hard times. I stumbled across this video during search to see if he's speaking soon and yes, I'm definitely disappointed to learn that his open, astounded, questioning view that makes room for the theory and power of storytelling and myth in every person's life (Christians included) has been closed. People's disappointment in him, the loss of friends, or whatever other pretended difficulty is cheered by the hosts' smiling nods-very shallow in the face of what must be a very painful loss of trust from indigenous communities-is annoyingly and predictably aligned with that old long-time trope of persecution that was truly a threat to early Christianity. I used to think there was, and even tried hard to see or even create, a place in Christian spaces for the Old Ways. Bringing our bread to bless it together, no priest, no non-profit tax status, no fancy buildings, a celebration of poor people, a forgiveness for mistakes. There isn't and I don't believe there can be. Why? The religions that remain among us should have died away to make room for others or new versions of same, as all good old myths do, as Shaw himself has inspirationally said, to metamorphose into the spirituality that we need when we need it. Not an answer, but a path... relevant and alive. Perhaps these hosts don't realize it, and it would certainly be challenging for them to, but that's likely the Christianity Shaw hopes for and wants to build. I wish him luck. Every powerful religion that remains past its welcome has an element of it that is ideal for controlling people and their behavior, or in the worst of times, an acceptance of bad people (Trump was mentioned here) or inequity because some good thing awaits when we're dead. I may like that Jesus who flips tables and befriends whores and can't be governed, but I HAVE to acknowledge the lack of room for disobedient Christians or charitable views of nonbelievers, and that these views or inextricably tied to that faith at this point.

Beautiful conversation. 48:00 I am on the same quest.

Great interview! Martin Shaw certainly has a way with words. What is amazing is the topic of the "Gods" as mythology. Throughout the Old Testament, we read about the Eloheim's (plural), The "Gods" as members of God the Father, Yahweh's "Divine Council". I highly recommend checking out Dr. Michael Heiser- "The Unseen Realm". Eye-opening!

I would be much more interested to hear Shaw talk about these themes with someone like his late mentor Robert Bly. I feel like the majority mainstream western Christians don’t have the capacity to plumb the depths of their own faith. And these interviewers are just sad. They asked zero questions about Shaws relationship to the Eastern Orthodox church. All we got in this interview was a couple of fawning churchianity folks. Christianity needs heavier hitters than this talking about her deep and beautiful places.

Become a Saint. Bingo, Martin. It's the living as "bumbling" Christ that is the highest witness. Words may come... (and I love the words)

I find this fascinating. Thank you. As one whose age is 70+, I'm grinning and nodding my head. Martin, what you say resonates with some of what I've been reading in Alexander John Shaia's book Radical Transformation. And, there's author Nancy Naylor Rue who is bringing forth her work which calls forth in me a desire to stay engaged, to mentor, and live into and share Wisdom. There is an undercurrent, a stirring, and I hope to see and live into its surfacing and enlivening.

Orthodox = right path

This advice has no sway or pull on the younger secular crowd. People don't truat churches. I personally agree with you but as someone who interacts with secular people about God and Christ often. I feel as though religious people don't quite understand how truly Secular the world has become.

I am envious of those with strong religious beliefs but I can’t feel a spiritual connection, how does someone believe and feel a connection?

I do not mean any offense, but I am struck by the irony of discussions aimed at re-enchantment happening in front of giant industrial looking steel and glass! I understand the skyline behind being some of the goal... but it is not the first thing the eye grabs. Great discussion with Martin Shaw though!

We reached the collapse. We're back. In these last days, The Lord pours out his spirit. He has been moving!!

"When you are taking your cues from a culture that has amnesia or hostility toward you, you are absolutely lost." (with reference to the church today)

Living on a hill in a tent for 4 years ! Heck. How do you wash your clothes or toilet etc ?

Loved this talk. I was born a Jew and lived through many faith traditions: atheism, lay Buddhism, Hinduism, New Age, even academia (MA in Comparatvie Religion). I even worked on building a Buddhist Stupa and then a Hindu temple. I came to Christ late in life, in my late 50s at a crisis moment - of course - but it was made intellectually digestible for me through apologetics. [Off topic: One thing I see with UK broadcasts and hosts: they seem to have bought into all of the anti-Trump propaganda sold by the mainstream media world. Don't believe it;. The Trump phenomena is not what you hear all of the time, even by 'tried and true' careful Christians. Instead, go to Queens, NY, and discover that kind of exaggerating but down to earth personality and allow yourself to see how God uses the unlikely to do His bidding. BTW, I grew up in Brooklyn , NY and Long Island. ]

This guy looks like the mythical Andrew Huberman haha.

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Imagination and spectacular has nothing to do with orthodox prayer. Asking for signs and seeing lights...

@ 15:45 in ~ You lost me when you blasphemed Jesus Christ's atonement. May God The Father of ALL Creation have mercy upon you! You'll be needing it.... ✝

Please stop giggling, Justin…

Not the "jewish" people, the Hebrews (they're different).

Nobody knows what happens after we die. Nobody has ever come back to tell us about it. We live and love and it all gets taken away. Our loved ones get taken away. Nobody will remember you in a few generations. If you have had any children you have served your only purpose. To reproduce. Everything else is just decorating a room with fancy ornaments but in reality, underneath the wallpaper is blood, decay, suffering and mourning. None of this talk will solve or disprove this. Nice hat though.

'What has he found who has lost God? And what has he lost who has found God?' -Ibn Ata Allah Al-Iskandari

Amen