What do you want to see happen in the Mutant Saga?

I honestly think Marvel Studios can do the Dark Phoenix storyline justice. They should call Phase 10 of the MCU ‘Phase X’.

Doing the phoenix saga straight away is the same mistake they already made, it needs to be earned we need to be super familiar with Jean and the team before this happens. It could be in the next phase. There are already so many great stories in the X-Men canon, no need to rush. I agree that they could make the mutant stuff a whole phase but through a series of movies and TV shows.

I'm looking forward to all the shows on Disney+. I'm sure characters like Gambit and Rogue won't get their own movies, but a bunch of 8 part mini-series will be a great way flesh out a ton of mutant stories.

How about if we're doing the Dark Phoenix we focus on the REAL reason the Phoenix went mad in that comic; because throughout there attempts Fox has only done ONE thing, Point and Yell "She Powerful, Thats COOL!", when the real compelling story is the fact that it wasnt Jean that went mad with power, but the Phoenix was corrupted by Jeans emotions, it hadnt experienced Joy and Rage before her and it wanted to experience these feelings. But nope in the movies its just FIRE BIRD GO BRRRR

Phase 1-3 The Infinity Saga Phase 4-6 The Multiverse Saga Phase 7-9 The Mutant Saga Sounds great.

This would be terrific. Told over multiple movies. The problem with the Phoenix saga is they keep trying to do it in one movie. It needs time to breathe

Agree a bajillion percent about Cyclops needing to be a focus.

Totally agree with you that a "Dark Phoenix Saga" is utterly empty without a Heroic Phoenix Saga to *prove* that this kind of power *can* be used for good, which both deepens the tragedy of Jean's demise -- and yet, since this timeline has completely jumped off the rails, might also allow for a satisfying subversion that allows Jean to live in symbiosis with the Phoenix, and not succumb to the doom of her other variants. I mean, we've seen this story so many times before - why not challenge this "predetermined story arc" when the Sacred Timeline's already been shattered to bits?

The problem I’ve always had with Fox trying to do the Dark Phoenix saga is they try to rush it all into one film. That needs to be built up. The other issue is that Jean Grey in those films is not likable. They need to make Jean on the stasis of Wanda where mostly everyone loves her. Though unlike Multiverse of Madness take time in corrupting Jean through various projects.

Whoever edited this deserves a pay rise! Also, yes, this saga needs to happen!

Totally love your idea about Cyclops taking the lead as it should be. Great ideas for the X-men phases. It does suck doing but Pheonix saga / Apocalypse again but as you said, they are great stores. Age of Apocalypse story line would be a great side movie too once X-men are established .

I think since Storm was a love interest to T'Challa that the MCU Storm will be Wakandan. Either full blooded or it’s where her family is from.

This is next level fan fiction. You're really wearing your heart on your sleeve here. :)

I think the hardest part of X-Men is there is enough content for their own version of the MCU. So if we are talking fan fiction and fan wish fulfillment, I want them to have their own Cinematic Universe in a way. Basically Marvel would have to double their movie output and give half their TV shows to Mutants. Then connect the two movie series occasionally. So you don't have to watch both movie series to follow the entire marvel universe unless you want to. There would still be big X-Men vs Avengers type of cross overs, but they wouldn't be dependent on knowledge from previous movies, just references. Like how the first two Avengers movies didn't require you to have watched any of the previous movies, it just helps

When you said the dark Phoenix story I initially thought "please no". You have changed my mind. The interweaving of all of the story arcs sounds wonderful. Have real meaning to the story other than here's another bad guy to beat up. Very well done.

Ok Ryan I have to say I absolutely love this idea! Making Cyclops more of a leader and giving Gene her redemption arc is just awesome and beautiful. Great job Doug. I mean Ryan. Lol.

When the MCU FINALLY does mutants I wanna see either the comic book version or the X-Men animated version of Apocalypse

I really appreciate it that you keep it clean. On top of that you’re definitely one of the better ones out there. Keep doing what you’re doing. It’s very enjoyable listening.

Yes!! And I can’t wait for Rogue’s story to be properly told. She was underused with Fox leading the way. Here’s hoping she’ll appear in The Marvels 🤞🏻

Damn this sounds absolutely amazing, I feel if executed right this'll be the best saga in Marvel

I like this, this would be an awesome Mutant Saga. The only thing I would change is the inclusion of eternals and midnight sons, maybe even hints of inhumans. I would really like more eternals to be included in the mcu and see mutants as a threat or a devient gene. Forcing them to take action, especially with Jean hosting the phoenix force. This then will create three fractions, mutants vs avengers vs eternals. And maybe midnight sons. All these fraction will have there one agendas and purpose, creating another civil war. Once the mutants saga comes to an end, inhumans can them come out of the shadows and calming to be a better evolution of mutants. Perhaps created my celestials

the problem with dark phoenix is they just did the scarlet witch. The story arch is more or less the same and arguably could even have been the same scale. I think they will do dark phoenix eventually, just not as a major story arch

Can’t wait to see Nightcrawler in the MCU 🔥🔥🔥

The whole Cable/time travel works especially when consolidating the multiverse

I usually agree but I don't think this is based at all. The X-men franchise is popular because of the character building. They can't just make a crossover that makes them and then launch into Phoenix Saga. The 2nd attempt at the saga failed because the audience just doesn't have a relationship with the young first class cast and literally didn't care about the characters or the stakes. They can't do Phoenix sagas until they build the X-men up and make the audience fall in love with them. Anything less and the audience won't feel the growth or the value of the sacrifice and so on. Your take here is just another Fox-esque Mutant Who's Who trying to show as many mutants as you can and no one is getting their screen time. You're skipping over 30-40 years of character building and going right to Cable and Age of Apocalypse when the franchise hasn't earned the interest or love of the audience. The X-men is inherently long form. They need to start with a Disney+ series (at least 10 episodes) with the first season and maybe the 2nd season even dedicated exclusively to the *first class* and building up the rogues gallery. Some of these characters can popup in crossovers in other movies between season 1 and 2. 2nd season can add the 2nd class. Keep building up these new characters. Season 3 needs to end with the Phoenix Saga and then cover season 4 by continuing to explore the large cast and Phoenix's new abilities etc. Season 4 would lead into a Dark Phoenix crossover movie. After that they can start exploring 90s and 2000s mutants in season 5 and 6 laying the groundwork to Age of Apocalypse movie.

If they bring back wanda with her full power, could she fight off pheonix

The addition of mutants will definitely change the MCU, I just hope they do it in a good way and don't shit all the stories like fox did. Also, I hope they use the original team as the X-Men's first lineup, give Angel and Iceman the spotlight they deserve.

I love that you want to focus more on Cyclops. He has been one of my favorite X-Men for a long time and you are right: Fox just doesn't do him justice. He's defeated the Purifiers, Norman Osborne, Bastion, an Invasion of Skrulls, The Sapien League and others through superior tactics and leadership. Per Fury, the less time Scott has to make a decision, the more correct that decision is. This makes him one of the best leaders in Marvel. Do I need to mention that he is irresistible to telepaths? They can't stay away from him.

I think they'll probably bring Cable over w/ Deadpool so I doubt he'll have any connection to Jean or Scott in the MCU.

I don't really wanna see the MCU use the Dark Phoenix storyline tbh. Even if they do it justice, it feels a little repetitive at this point. Not to mention, I think it would make her feel too similar to Wanda in Multiverse of Madness. I'm perfectly content with Jean playing more of a passive role like in X-Men: Evolution.

I think this will be more likely the Thunderbolts vs the X-men. They could throw in a new Avengers team, FF, and Young Avengers as well. The Midnight Sons might be cool to.

A lot of this is great, but it lacks a huge role for 1 of the best characters ever in Magneto. Hopefully, he has a great arc and maybe even tie in Wanda and her brother somehow like the comics.

I think the big problem with trying to do Dark Phoenix right now is that Wanda is so much like her. Doing it 3 years from now might work, but I fear that actress and the storyline will always be compared to Olson and Wanda's story.

I don’t need more Wolverine with the X-men. I want the x-men characters to stand alone. Hopefully Wolverine joins by the second film.

FINALLY somebody brings up Genosha! It’s such a great storyline and easily translatable your the screen. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

I would like to see the MCU adapt the Dark Phoenix Saga, Age of Apocalypse, Onslaught, House of M, and Avengers vs X-Men for the Mutant Saga.

Loved all of that and would love to see a comic accurate version of Days of Future Past. Feels like that could fit right into your theory with Cable being the one that travels back to warn everyone. My only gotcha in all of this is whether or not non-comic MCU fans are ready to see another red head female played as the villain? Perhaps 4 years will be enough time for people to get past it but remember that Marvel didn't want to have another Iron Monger for IM2 (hence Whiplash over Crimson Dynamo) and that didn't work out well...

this was such a great vid it had all the things i would expect from mavel to do with mutants if they do them seperatly as the MUTANTS SAGA

Please make more videos like this, love it!

I agree with that, dedicate and entire saga to The X-Men. They have so many great and compelling stories they deserve their own saga honestly. However, I'd still like them to start laying the groundwork for their inevitable appearance *Now* 🤔

Ryan, you forgot to mention Sabra is going to be in CA:NWO and she is a mutant in the comics. Pitching the Dark Phoenix story again is lazy. Magic is big in the MCU now, why not a proper Majik storyline? Add in Nightcrawler's family & the MCU magic users and have an interdimensional conflict. Maybe the other dimensions are tired of the MCU almost destroying existence every few years. There would be enough characters who can travel dimensions to take the battle to Belasco, Mephisto, Nightmare, etc. All the Ghost Riders & the Midnight Sons could be brought in.

Mr Sinister needs to be the big bad for the Xmen

I just want Kitty Pryde and Wolverine in Japan. If I get a Magik arc and the New Mutants I'll be happy. I could also go for a modern Dazzler saga.

How are you churning out so much quality content. Do you ever sleep, or eat? I'm sure there are laws on how much work animals are allowed to do. 😂

Love the channel and Doug!! Keep up the awesome work

For new she hulk episode for your Easter eggs: Post credit scene with the shoes: Deadpool shoes, the thing shoes, cyclops shoes, maybe either echo or Electra with the red E, Namor shoe with trident top left, and maybe? Warren Worthington-Angel to the left of green goblin?

Hey man love your content

Overall that was an amazing breakdown for the mutants! Especially Cyclops!

This.... Was amazing! Even if you just spoiled the next 10 years I'm fine with Marvel taking your ideas and running with it! Bravo!

I loved this! Thank you!

Congrats on one hell of a video. Don’t know how they would do it, but it was really entertaining

Great story I hope they do exactly that, I can't wait to see how the more powered characters like captain marvel and scarlet witch compare to the Phoenix force and apocalypse.

I vote for RyanArey to direct the Mutant saga for Marvel. He would do what the fans want to watch 😀

This was awesome. Thank you.

This was such an awesome video

I think the mutants might come into the MCU by way of doctor strange 2 with an mutiverse incursion. In doctor strange 3 the realities will come together and create one world where prof X exists in the main timeline.

I want X-MEN not to be a movie but be a series, it allows them to draw out and explain things and do more with the X-MEN and allows time in-between and proper spin-offs like legion of x or the different storylines

Man this was soooooo damn good!! You're a genius

That was really good!

I wanna see a Full Phoniex force Wanda, but not from it choosing her, but instead Wanda using magic (maybe the darkhold) to bend it to her will.

Dam, you and your team should write for the MCU. Great ideas like always. I'd love to see all this happen.

I wish Marvel would hire you a a writer.

I would like a Phoenix Saga, but they really need to develop the X-Men team before attempting it. It's a bad idea to start off with it. Jean will come off like a total Mary-Sue and many of the most important X-Men characters like Cyclops and Storm will get overshadowed.

I think characters can be redeemed in cameos as we saw in no way home. Electro was a redeemed character in that movie. I don’t think we need a whole movie or saga to redeem, with good writing, a cameo should suffice.

So what actually happen to the other established characters, they would be sidelined, for the mutants. For what I would like is for the multiverse saga would end in a way such that the current MCU universe would be destroyed and so many other universe would too the Dr strange would combine the remains of the other universea to create the ultimate universe and that saga would be called the cosmic saga with Galactus as the big bad, yeah mutants would have their own special story in that saga bur it must all connect in a way that the fantastic four, the avengers and the mutants would be important in their special way, that could top everything marvel would have done by then

15:08 The motion comics series of the Astonishing X-Men is so dope

One of the reasons the Dark Phoenix story didn't work before is that they didn't have time to breathe. We're introduced to Jean then she turns evil. A multi phase saga is actually perfect for making it work.

While there are somethings I would do differently, I would not be disappointed with this

This is a bit to overpowered for the MCU, but even if they do it, unless they make people prejudicial against _all_ heroes, it just doesn't work. I love the X-men comics (or did when I was a kid), and the stories needed telling from a cultural perspective, but the X-men from the comics doesn't work in a shared universe with Dr. Strange, The Fantastic Four, Spider-man and the Avengers. The MCU has an Avengers musical and conventions dedicate to literal hero worship, that same world isn't going to have the masses rising up and slaughtering mutants. It just doesn't work.

This is my favorite video of all time. X-men are my favorite marvel characters and the way you set up the phases is perfect. I want the mcu to do exactly what you said. Feige please hire this man now

Wonderful take on the next saga 😁😁😁

You should make a video on how the MCU should of been made if Marvel had the rights to every superhero, Spiderman, x-men, fantastic 4, Deadpool, etc. How different would it be if they had everyone at the begining

As much a would absolutely love to see everything you've suggested on the future of the MCU, I think Marvel/Disney is most likely to recast Iron-Man and Captain America after the Multiverse is destroyed, they will play it safe. Excellent video though, thank you for it.

They aren't going to dedicate 3 phases just to the X-men. They already said they aren't doing anymore 10 year plans and this would be a 10 year plan

The only thing I would change is that having the phoenix take her body because she knows that Jean could handle because Jean is so powerful. when she gets in the body she becomes attached to the feelings that she feels especially the love for Scott so that makes her want to stay and not leave Jean’s body like she is supposed to.

I'm not sure how the "mutants are hated and feared" angle will play in the MCU movies, because those very movies have shown no particular "man on the street" reactions to super powered people. Or they HAVE shown things like statues erected in their honor, or Ms Marvel being embraced by her town, stuff like that. Yes, they had the Sokovia Accords, but that seemed mostly about world governments wanting to use and control them as weapons, more than it was discrimination of humans in general against superhumans in general.

Why does Kang the Conqueror hates mutants again? Other than the whole racism thing?

Swinging for the fences! Love it!

I know it might not happen, but man it would be cool to have Hugh Wolverine appear in a couple multiverse saga films. He could be introduced in Quantamania, then Kang Dynasty, and final film in Secret Wars.

Werewolf by Night breakdown soon hopefully!!!

This is a fun take. Great show!

Very very nice and well thought out vision.

We gotta have this new sassy version of Mister Sinister though.

6:21 nice summary of the video

Damn... that was some damn in-depth goodness!

That apocalypse story NEEDS to happen!

This sounds great. I would like to see the Mojoverse!

Wow. I’m totally down for how you’d do phases 7-9 this would be great.

editing top notch on this one.

Am I surprised by the video? No Am I impressed by this video? Yes You did a great job on this! I've watched a lot of you videos so far and this one has to be my favorite. Well done!!

I love this. I just wish we got to see an X-Men team in the universe with the original 6 Avengers. I heard Fox contracts have handcuffed Marvel from bringing some of these characters in sooner, but I still hope they at least use them in the multiverse saga. RDJ, Evans, Jackman, Stewart(again), Fassbender, etc. together in some way would be awesome.

Thank you for briefly putting in The Mummy (1999). I like to think that one was just for me

Love your videos

Great video

One thing though, Doctor Doom might end up being the big bad for Avengers Secret Wars. Other than that, this sounds pretty good.

Brilliant Ryan! I'd definitely be into this. Only big question, what do you do with all the previously existing Marvel characters? They can't just suddenly disappear or take a back seat to accommodate the X-Men. Can't just say a sudden goodbye after The Multiverse Saga, after SO many years of building some of these characters up. Some will be ready for retirement, sure. Many won't. So how do you do them all justice?

Everything with the shiar you said sounds dope. I would love to see that

10:55 parallels to Star Wars that'll for sure win Feige's approval

The only thing missing that might come into play in the MCU version is that House of M moment: would, instead, that Phase 8 ended with "No More Mutants" and then Phase 9 becomes the path by which they return? The MCU has put a HUGE amount of power into Wanda, and while the fans (and the nature of movies) may lead to a reconciliation arc...the comics almost never work that way with her.