Massdrop X Sennheiser HD6XX Headphone Review - Is it still a winner?
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Күн бұрынA Review of the Massdrop X Sennheiser HD6XX including comparisons with the DT880 and HiFiMan HE4XX
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0:00 Introduction
1:19 Design and comfort
3:08 Power requirements
5:45 Sound quality
8:39 Amp matching
9:47 DT880 250ohm LE comparison
11:55 Drop X HifiMan HE4XX
13:18 Final conclusions
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Active Speakers: Bang & Olufsen BeoLab 3 Speakers
Amps
Massdrop x THX AAA 789 Amplifier massdrop.7eer.net/J0xWa
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Headphones
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Closed: AudioQuest NightOwl Carbon (these may have been discontinued)
Closed: Audio Technica ATH-M50x amzn.to/2Y2NeXo
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Portable
Phone: Samsung Galaxy S10+ amzn.to/37MzTUA
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Shozy Form 1.4 amzn.to/3cIL0Az or massdrop.7eer.net/499YL
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@piphelix2517 3 жыл бұрын
For as passionate as this guy is about sound, he sure is calming to listen to.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Haha. Glad I can soothe 😉
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
LoL. Not sure if that's a good thing 😁
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
🙂 phew! Thanks for letting me know 😉😉
@jinvid 2 жыл бұрын
Headphone ASMR
@PassionforSound 2 жыл бұрын
Haha. I contemplated doing ASMR unboxing videos actually 😂
@michaelreed649 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I am looking for my second headphone (after the beyerdynamic tygr 300r) and want recent reviews from reviewers i trust, like you. This is exactly what I need.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help, Michael!
@faiyadh9558 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Video. It was very helpful to me in deciding on my next set of cans.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Great news! Glad I could help!
@autoexec5367 3 жыл бұрын
I really love your reviews! Thank you. :)
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome!
@larryeckerdt9750 3 жыл бұрын
Got these as a contrast to my Sundaras. Love them both, and next year a Darkvoice may visit!
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Nice. That's a great combo. I have the Sundara review coming VERY soon...
@bowieknife 2 жыл бұрын
I've bought the Massdrop 6XX when it was first released. I just kept it in the box most of the time as I didn't have much time alone in a quiet place that would work with these open backed headphones (I was mostly using IEMs back then). Fast forward to last year, I took it out the box and paired it with the E1DA Powerdac 2.1 and I fell in love immediately. I couldn't believe I kept the 6xx in the box all these years unloved! I think with some balanced 2.5mm cables it'll be even more amazing.
@PassionforSound 2 жыл бұрын
They're pretty great, aren't they? Glad you're loving them!
@bowieknife 2 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound They're lovely for sure :)
@zeus154345 3 жыл бұрын
Great review, it was really pleasant to listen to. Please review the Sennheiser HD 560s! The 6xx and 560s are both similarly priced and it is difficult to decide between them. Would really like to hear your opinions first if possible 😄
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
I've just received the HD560S today and I'm quite impressed. It'll be a little while before the review comes out, but my initial thoughts are that the HD6XX is significantly better built and the sound is a bit more refined and engaging. The HD560S wins in neutrality and also in soundstage / sense of space around the instruments. This is unfortunately all based on my memory of the HD650 and HD6XX because I don't own them anymore. Honestly not sure which of the two I'd buy - probably HD6XX because I like it's specific character
@JE-tn5tc 3 жыл бұрын
The HD6XX were my first audiophile headphones that got me into high end audio. I got them 11 months ago and since then I have acquired the Audeze LCD-2C, LCD-X, two amps and two DACs... I have no complaints 🙂 🎧
@nicktan4530 3 жыл бұрын
Now you should get LCD-4 !
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
That's how it all begins, J E, and then off we go down the rabbit hole! 😉
@miguelesteves9740 Жыл бұрын
Hey, how is your journey going now? Are you into critical/analytical listening? Whats your end game and budget picks?
@soundpitchblack 3 жыл бұрын
I have the hd 650 and the hd 800S and love them. Gifted the HD6XX to my brother and he was amazed! Love Sennheiser
@Tripokaridos22 3 жыл бұрын
U should try 660s
@soundpitchblack 3 жыл бұрын
@@Tripokaridos22 I will....🤫
@dxm5234 3 жыл бұрын
Aw yes, another purchase validated by PfS - many thanks for the review. Have my 6XX paired with the bottlehead crack
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Haha. You're welcome! 😉 That would be a great combo!
@RyzaJ 3 жыл бұрын
Love your reviews! Keep up the great work! I do have a question that could really use your perspective, if that's alright, and I would really like to see what your preferences are in this matter because I feel as though our audio tastes may align. I have been using the Amiron home for a while now, and while pretty good, I feel as though it's a bit piercing at times and a little fatiguing... Like my ears can't keep up with the speed of the drivers. I paired it up to an amp which smoothed it out a bit but I'm looking for a headphone that is really easy to listen to (maybe a dynamic) that has a little more oomph but just makes things a real joy to listen to. A lot of people recommend the hd600/6xx/650s, and I was leaning that way but I remembered that you really enjoyed the nighthawks/nightowls when you talked about them in your Amiron and Empyrean uploads, so I thought they could be a good match for me... Despite the polarising opinions from the wider community. So, long story short (sorry about that); would you recommend the nighthawks or nightowls when compared to the hd6xx or Meze Classics? Thanks again for the content you post, they're great to listen and learn to! 😊
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks CR, glad you like the reviews. I would definitely recommend the Hawks and/or Owls if you can still buy them. Another option might be the beyerdynamic T5 3rd generation. You lose a bit of upper mid emphasis compared to the NightOwls, but they're a magical overall experience that I'm still longing for since sending back the loaners. They're quite a shift from the Amiron though so the Hawks/Owls might be a better option if you're close to happy with the Amiron sound and just want a slight adjustment
@RyzaJ 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound Thanks for the help and the speedy response! I'm definitely thinking about the T5s now; they seem to be the perfect match 😊
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Glad I could help
@dumbotterlover2558 3 жыл бұрын
Just got mine to replace a broken pair of GSP 500's, and for the money I'm absolutely pleased with them.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
That's great news! So glad you're enjoying them
@Wyd4 3 жыл бұрын
700,000 hours. No exageration. You are right about driving them. When I used the HD6xx around the house, I was happy using my iphone to drive them. Of course you lose out on so many levels, but they were loud enought o be enjoyable, particularly when you are banging dishes around in the sink or walking around. As far as portables go, I really enjoyed the HD6xx balanced from the Fiio M11Pro. Great review as always, though be prepared for many many conflicting comments. They are a simultaniously loved and hated, which I simply find odd as if there was ever a signature that wouldn't offend people I would think it would be the HD6xx
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's a funny beast - that's for sure. Love that you're doing dishes with open back audiophile headphones on!
@Wyd4 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound You dont? :P
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Haha. That's one of the few times I go for wireless solutions like the Nuraphone (which cost as much as HD6XX now that I think about it) 😉
@forrestp33 3 жыл бұрын
When a friend loaned me a pair to use with my IPhone a couple of years ago, I was originally unimpressed. However, the smallest, most cost-effective amplifiers can drive these cans more than adequately. I use the smaller Schiit Vali 2, 2+ and Dragonfly Cobalt.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
They're really great, aren't they? And you're right that they don't require much power, but they get progressively better with higher quality gear too.
@lmartins2797 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the Amber Rubarth tip. I didn't know her. Amazing album that I enjoyed with my phillips shp9500
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Glad you liked it
@forrestp33 3 жыл бұрын
Super video! I applauded for $10.00 👏👏👏
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Forrest! 🙂🙂🙏🙏
@hal9xxx321 3 жыл бұрын
Great explaination on the output power vs voltage! I've been using my HD650 for 9 years now and not once did they failed me. There are many technically superior headphones nowadays like the Sundara, Dt1990, and Fostex T-60RP etc at that
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks HAL. Glad you're enjoying the HD650s - they're still a wonderful headphone!
@dudemanismadcool Жыл бұрын
Identical boat as you. The 6xx convey a spirit and truth to the vocals that is missed by the Sundara. The textures I get in vocals are so far above any other headphone or speaker I have ever heard, its magic. Sundara is a great daily driver, but when I'm drunk and want to feel the music, its unwaveringly the 6xxs.
@johnnywoodz3494 2 жыл бұрын
Had to sub this was the 100th video I watched to help me find headphones for mixing 😆 lol
@PassionforSound 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub! What did you decide on as your headphone of choice?
@johnnywoodz3494 2 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound No thank you for the great info I was looking for used Anandas but ran into good priced DT1990 pros so I went with those..thanks again.
@PassionforSound 2 жыл бұрын
Great choice! I was so torn between the Ananda and DT1990 - both great options
@snowmean1 3 жыл бұрын
Well described and exactly are my thoughts regarding HD6XX and HE4XX. I'm desperately looking for anything with similar tonality as HD6XX but bigger and better defined sound-stage, however that is next to impossible considering its price.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's a tough call, Pavel. I'm yet to try HD660S to see if it fits the bill. Otherwise you'd have to go to something like the HiFiMan Ananda I think, but that's also drifting away from the sound signature.
@snowmean1 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound I'm not entirely into HD6XX signature, but into the witchcraft they are using for mids and voices, those are astonishing. I'm actually wouldn't mind to have a bit more bass, and Ananda doesn't look like a decent alternative considering that it has less bass than even Sundara. HD660S are great headphones from what I read, but the price-point turns me away from them as I don't believe they are SO better than HD6XX to charge double the price.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
I can't think of another headphone that I'd specifically recommend to best the mids of the HD6XX. There's a reason they still exist after all these years 🙂
@snowmean1 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound I tend to agree with you, but now I'm hunting for AKG K712 or K7XX in order to check out what AKG can bring on the table for the same amount of money :D
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
It's definitely worth trying for yourself because we all have different tastes, but I own the K712 and I think you'll be disappointed
@wpgtriniman 3 жыл бұрын
Was surprised by how good these sound on my laptop and 14 year-old iPod. Did buy an DAC and amp, however but haven't spend much time at all using them. Mostly listening on the iPod. I have to turn up the volume on the laptop (XPS 17) and iPod, but it does sound excellent. So glad I bought them.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you're enjoying them! One of the best things about the HD6XX is they sound good from pretty much anything, but can also sound better with better gear - very much an all-rounder
@ernestochang1744 2 жыл бұрын
WATT??? people are powering these with a 14 year old ipod? welp no need to buy an amp or a DAC my samsung galaxy S8+ will have PLENTY of power, just ordered my HD6XX from Drop cant wait to test them out
@PassionforSound 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Enjoy! Power requirements in this hobby are vastly overstated
@ernestochang1744 2 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound thank goodness thought i was gonna have to spend more money on a darkvoice 336 se amp... im old school
@PassionforSound 2 жыл бұрын
Nope. You can enjoy them with almost anything. If you DO decide to buy an amp, check out the xDuoo TA-26. I think it's better than the Dark voice, but there's still no need for either 🙂
@jonathanr2830 3 жыл бұрын
My new Sennheiser HD 600's are producing absolute sonic bliss with my new Schiit Audio Magni Heresy and Modi 3+. All genres. No bullschiit. : )
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
So glad you're enjoying them!
@irbricksceo 2 жыл бұрын
Have a pair and love them. That said, the top end is a bit too recessed for my taste, so sometimes I switch over to the 598's which have a nicer top end IMO. I also have some Crossfade W2s that satisfy the bass itch when it happens. Thinking of getting a sundara next as I've heard great things, but want to do a bit more research to see if they'd be an "upgrade" off my current selection.
@PassionforSound 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the Sundara and HD6XX are basically level in terms of performance, but they have different sound signatures and presentations. I personally prefer the Sundara as an all-rounder.
@soulfulfool Жыл бұрын
Top end can be shaped by dac/amp combo, they even react with different type of cable (silver plated, hybrid with copper or even gold plated copper) I personally found it sound very different timbre wise using gold plated 16 core cable. They are so specific now, cant even describe it (something between bright and dark but slightly on darker side, it has detail but yet it sounds dark very interesting vibe)
@2134yanto Жыл бұрын
Love this review Lachlan. Very informative and great laid back presentation. I’ve asked previously about a different headphone, and you kindly replied. But I think the 6XX may be a viable option for me, so I’ll ask the same question about it now. Would the 6XX be suitable for use listening to classical music, specifically full orchestral works please? By this I mean does the narrower soundstage and less treble response cause a lack of detail retrieval and instrument separation? Would it sound ‘cluttered’. I appreciate you’re busy but if you could spare a few minutes to answer I’d be really grateful. Cheers mate!
@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, glad you liked the video. I personally have always enjoyed the HD6XX across all genres, but it could be too "veiled" for some people when it comes to classical. Do you have a current headphone you're looking to upgrade? If so, which one and what do you like and not like about it? Also, can you stretch to something like the Sivga SV023?
@2134yanto Жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound Hi Lachlan. Thanks so much for the reply. I’m currently using Grado SR325x for all of my listening. I like that it’s involving, energetic, has decent soundstage and imaging. It can be a touch bright at times. I’d like something that gives excellent detail retrieval, instrument separation, soundstage and clarity. The other I’m looking at is the Hifiman Sundara. Would that be suitable do you think? Thanks very much indeed. I’m grateful for the help
@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын
I personally think the Sundara is probably the better all-rounder headphone and will give a bit of extra bite for the strings. Both are great, but the Sundara would get my nod.
@2134yanto Жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound thank you again Lachlan. Very grateful
@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын
My pleasure 🙂
@tomtran9442 2 жыл бұрын
I had the HD650 when it came out but sold it a year later to help fund for my 2 channel setup. Regreted it ever since! I’m now getting back to headphones and it’s still a wonderful headphones to start with at about 1/2 of what I originally payed. As for upgrading the cable…absolutely yes! I have the Clear Light Headphone Cable on the HD6XXX and it’s a whole new set of headphones. Does cost about the price of the HD6XX 🤪. For portable amp/DAC I’m using the DragonFly Cobalt…shockingly works pretty well. Just got the Schiit Jotunheim 2 with your recommendation and now eagerly waiting for your Yggdrasil/Bifrost comparison 😊
@PassionforSound 2 жыл бұрын
So glad you're enjoying your setup! Not too long now for the Yggy/Bifrost comparison... 🙂
@ZwnUl 3 жыл бұрын
I also prefer the 6XX over 4XX and yes the headband with the gap on top is great. I don't like the small soundstage and the sound signature but I like the comfort of the 6XX. It's crazy, I don't like the 6XX sound but, I use him really often. Most time I start listen music with 6XX, after a half hour I know what I want and switch to Nighthawk, ADX5000 or HD800s. If I don't need epic sound, like Minecraft, factorio or KZfaq reviews I stay with 6XX. It's one of my most used Daly driver.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. It's a very easy headphone to wear for any type of listening, but you can get better sound fromd those other headphones you listed there for sure. Love to see that there are still NightHawks out there and in use.
@soulfulfool Жыл бұрын
Yes brother ADX5000 is also my headphones, when I switch from 6XX to ADX5000 its like switch between 1080p to 4K BUT timbre wise they can have a battle. Both wonderful headphones gonna stay with me but obviously ADX is better in any department (scale it with any gear its transparent). About HD800s... I was thinking about it very long but at the end I decided to buy ADX, best decision I made so far (HD800s can play wide but ADX can play 3D sound with moderate soundstage depend how track was intended to sound + zero complains about bass with tube amp). First time I have heard that realistic sound with ADX5000 using live concert was amazing, I had Arya with huge sound stage but ADX sounded different more life like (Arya was sold immediately)
@ActuMoto 3 жыл бұрын
Great review. I can confirm your feelings towards the hd6xx 👍 I would like to upgrade from it. Currently I am using it with the dragonfly red, in what way will I hear the best immediate jump in SQ, upgrading the amp/dac (eg hugo2 or similar price range) or the headphone (for the Empyrean)?
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
That's a tough question, ActuMoto. I think both will net you significant gains, but I think in this case you'll get better bang for buck by upgrading the DAC and amp. Something like the Hugo 2 will be a huge step forward
@ActuMoto 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound Many thanks !
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure
@stevenjackson8226 3 жыл бұрын
Lots has gone around around this headphone family. Another review is welcome to continue the discussion. I have the original HD-580 Precision and the Drop x Senn 6XX. My first impression of the 580 was who threw the heavy wool blanket over everything. Many years later I have given it another try with the 6XX. What most people say about them I agree with - and there are a LOT of 580/600-series headphones out there. The sonic experience is so singular and also singularly enjoyable, that for all their short comings - and they are short comings (like Eugenio mentions below) - I'm willing to overlook these most of the time. I also have the Drop x Senn 58X Jubilee. On first listen I really liked them. Spending more time with them, I'm finding them limited. The 580/6XX (the ones I live with and know well) do scale. They sound different and often better paired with better gear. It's not the only combo they sound good with, but the 6XX with tubes is just that very singularly enjoyable thing. I have a Bottlehead Crack and an S3X (to be tidy, I'm trying to avoid the S.E.X moniker). The whole experience using these tubed amps with the 6XX is just a lovely thing. And if the Mainline is better still, wow. The 58X Jubilee, though, even with tubes, pretty much gives you the same sonics all the time. A mention about the plastic thing. I'm glad it wasn't belabored here. Plastic and cheap aren't synonyms. There's well-designed, high-quality construction, then there's the opposite of this. There are high-quality plastics, and there're those plastics that aren't. My 580 Precisions are more than 20 years old and looking and working as-new. So are my old "plastic" Lotus cars. Formula One cars are made of plastic...
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, Steven. Did you not find the 58X to improve with the Crack's high output impedance? That's a great point about the plastics. I don't particularly like the feel of the 6XX plastic, but it is high quality as you say. I recall when I worked for Bang & Olufsen they showed us some of the plastics they used for products and explained that some plastics are worth as much as gold by weight - wow! (Not sure if that still holds true as it was a while back)
@stevenjackson8226 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound My experience with the 58X is that even with the Crack (and even after some tube rolling to further search for a sonic variance and best match) the 58X character was pretty much the same as with other amplifiers.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I'm wondering if there was some product variation with the one I borrowed? It was like a different headphone on high output impedance mode!
@stevenjackson8226 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound High output impedance mode... This is with your Mainline, I surmise? Because (and I know you know) the Crack and S3X don't have impedance selection. I didn't find the 58X to be so greatly transformed with the Crack. The Crack is a lovely device, but isn't such a resolving device, while the S3X is much more so, and I suspect the Mainline is even more so (I haven't had the opportunity to enjoy a Mainline or a Crackatwoa). I got the Crack to push the 6XX experience far into that specialized direction, and was interested to see how the 58X and the Crack would be together. With the constant current sources installed, the Bottlehead crew says Cracky can get along well with headphones of 100ohms, or greater, which puts the 150ohm 58X well within range.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Mainline has a fancy setup where there are two different output transformer wirings so you can switch from low to high output impedance. Great when moving between Senn HD series and normal dynamic cans. The S.E.X. is a marvellous amp, but not high output impedance so it won't influence the HD58X like the Crack or Mainline. I imagine the Crack's richness works against the 58X pairing because it needs clarity to shine (or at least improve a bit)
@eugeniosegabinazzi9880 3 жыл бұрын
Great review! I do love my HD600, I enjoy their sound everyday and I find them a great allrounder in many ways. But the imaging and soundstaging when I listen to opera or orchestral music leave me really disappointed. The entire orchestra is represented in a small and undefined area behind my ears, everything is cramped and only the vocals sound great this close. That's a shame 'cause the overall sound and tonality of the 600/650/6XX is one of the most enjoyable I heard!
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Eugenio, I agree that the staging and imaging is a little bit of a drawback
@midorihibiki 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you that these headphone are old and have a lot of limited. Time to move on to other higher headphones.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
I have the AKG K712 here now. I bought it for review, but I find them completely boring and am just going to resell them I think.
@eugeniosegabinazzi9880 3 жыл бұрын
@@Tripokaridos22 Yeah i'm gonna try the k702 soon!
@derekw.5108 3 жыл бұрын
My HD650 only sound good with female vocals! p.s. HD650 have a sensitivity of 103dB/mW and my Dac/Amp can outputs 20mW at 300 ohm, so there's 13dB headroom and so it's definitely not under powered.
@SolitoTepic 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review, I was always curious how the sennheiser sound, I have HIFIMAN HE400i, for my taste lacks low frequency and has excess treble, but the mid range is very nice, I imagine signature very similar to HD6XX, but HE400i with more treble. Excellent explanation. My best wishes.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Erick! I haven't heard the HE-400i so I can't say for certain, but based on the HE4XX in think they would be similar. The 6XX might be a bit fuller in the bass (mid-bass) and a little more mid emphasis due to lower treble.
@mariovargas6731 2 жыл бұрын
Gonna begin my journey with 650's and Earmen TR-Amp. And I have a feeling that I would soon need to buy a dedicated dac and amp or just an amp and use my TR-Amp as a dac. :)
@PassionforSound 2 жыл бұрын
The TR-Amp will carry you for a while, but the 650s will eventually benefit well from an upgraded source chain. You're going to enjoy it from the start though I think. Happy listening!
@mariovargas6731 2 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound thanks. Can you please tell if tr amp would work well as a dac if I just buy an amp? And if so can you recommend a good enough amp for 650's and possibly something for planars too? I've heard nothing short of 2 W does justice to planars?
@laowai2000 4 ай бұрын
Been using the HD560s for the last year or so. First day on HD6xx picked up "as new" for under USD 130. Great first impression. Feel a significant upgrade from the HD560s paired with iFi stack. ifi dac definitely adds a lot to the HD560S and HD6xx. CAN adding a little more “punch”.
@PassionforSound 4 ай бұрын
Glad you're enjoying the upgrade!
@soulfulfool 2 ай бұрын
they are lazy until you get serious tubes, sparkle with punch and control of driver is gained when you care to invest in audio chain
@laowai2000 2 ай бұрын
@@soulfulfool Have a Chinese knock-off of Graham Slee Ultra-Linear Solo Amp. Certainly no expert but these do well with this cheap knock-off as well.
@soulfulfool 2 ай бұрын
@@laowai2000 in many cases they are under powered, even if I like them for mid range I must admit their flaws mentioned by many others, high and low frequency are poor, well to be honest highs are very poor, you can listen to your music with 6XX and like it much but when you take some more resolving headphones you will understand how much informations (details) are you loosing
@laowai2000 2 ай бұрын
@@soulfulfool down the audio rabbit hole we go!
@qorkado5007 3 жыл бұрын
If you get the chance, I highly encourage you to try the DT880 600 ohm with as much power as you can feed it. I even balance modded mine. I knew immediately I was listening to a completely different headphone than the 250 ohm.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the tip!
@zzezzobike 3 жыл бұрын
I have to disagree. Have both 600 ohm, and 250ohm 2003 edition. I basically don't like any of them, still prefer my senns 598 and 660. Apart from good soundstage on 880, much more detail retrieval, that sharpnes in the vocal is just big NO. Sorry, sennheiser play s music in a more natural way through my DarkVoice
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
And that's why we have different brands with different tunings! 😉
@sephondranzer 3 жыл бұрын
I have a motherboard that runs the 6xx really well. Made the cavali amp I purchased a really big regret, but the 6xx can take any form of eq as far as I see.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
It's a good quality driver so that wouldale sense about the EQ
@andyaranda2460 3 жыл бұрын
Just discovered you’re channel. Love it Would the 6xx pair be a good match for the Bitfrost 2? I’m looking at getting both of these.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Andy, glad you're liking the channel. The Bifrost 2 and HD6XX will be great together depending on the amp you put in between. I'd recommend a good discrete design if you can get it (like Asgard 3, Jotunheim 2, Modi 3+) so you get the most out of the spatial depth from the Bifrost 2. That said, any decent amp will work great so it's not an absolute must to go discrete.
@andyaranda2460 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound thank you so much for the advice. Just getting into DACs/AMPs and higher end headphones. (Without spending crazy money that is) Glad I found your channel. Very well produced and detailed videos.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I can help! 🙂🙂
@brandonburr4900 3 жыл бұрын
These are a classic for a reason. Sennheiser got it right with the he 600, and 650. You know you have made a classic when you see the number of times a person has owned and sold it in their collection. Can't say that about many other headphones. Ditto on these getting better with sources and amps. I see you have a bottlehead MAINLINE amp. I bet it powers the 6xx terrific but an even more magical pairing is one of bottleheads crack with screwball otl amps. An otl amp with a high impedance 600, 650 or 6xx is a really synergistic combo. And to top it off trying different tubes can make it even better. Glad to see another former hd650/6xx owner back into owning these wonderful headphones. I don't think I will ever part with mine!
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
The HD650 and Crack combo was one of my first setups! The Mainline is great because it has two impedance settings. It doesn't get quite as rich as the Crack, but it creates a noticeable difference with higher impedance headphones like HD800S, HD6XX, etc
@canonlon311 3 жыл бұрын
The natural tone of the 6XX is tough to beat. I never had an issue with it's 'narrow' soundstage - if I'm in an intense listening session, I find it sounds deep and immersive. I had the HD560S and IMO it doesn't live up to the initial hype - I sent mine back.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting on the 560S - that's kind of my expectation too
@soulfulfool 10 ай бұрын
using my singxer sa-1 they sound correct but somehow lifeless, using my feliks elise with custom tubes give them more energy, color to treble and definition to bass (not longer lifeless and boring)
@PassionforSound 10 ай бұрын
Some headphones just come alive on tubes, don't they? 🙂
@soulfulfool 10 ай бұрын
@@PassionforSound definitely, that said people who test them with budget or low quality amps simply dont like them
@Tripokaridos22 3 жыл бұрын
I have all the HD5 and HD6 series and i have to say the best of them arw Hd660s. These and Sundara sound amazing.
@jasonfranciosa 3 жыл бұрын
Have you tried the Ollo S4x or the Avantone Planar? I have boht these arriving this week to compare with the Sundara. My Sundara's left driver is starting to have problems after only a bit over a month of use. Not pleased with that at all, but I do love the Sundara's sound after a bit of EQ.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
That's not good, Jason! I haven't tried either of those alternatives yet, sorry.
@Tripokaridos22 3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonfranciosa Yeahp Hifiman products are like that i am on third pair. For now it works. What u get for the money is some months of use under warranty after that ... If u want something to use forever then Buy Sennheiser Bose Denon and some others.
@jasonfranciosa 3 жыл бұрын
@@Tripokaridos22 Going to test out the Ollo S4x and the Avantone Planar. Both have raving reviews without known quality issues like Hifiman. I def want something that lasts more than 1 month.
@FliskerX 3 жыл бұрын
Over past 10 years I had many high-end headphones, including HD700/800S, LCD-2/3F/X, HE-400/500, T1G1/G2, PS/GS1000E, ETHER and others... sold em all while still keeping HD650 (think it's the same as 6XX). This is so hard to beat headphone, with great DAC/AMP combo. Only other headphone that makes me think about keeping is Focal Clear, that is trully better, but 7 times the price. I also think that probably everyone getting into the hobby, should start with this as reference pair.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%. Either the HD650/6XX or the HiFiMan Sundara are the ideal entry points IMO
@ironinthesoul9680 3 жыл бұрын
ENTRY?
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Into serious audiophile gear, yes. The 6XX in particular is a great starting point that's quite a way ahead of budget options.
@sauravsubramanian1413 3 жыл бұрын
The dt880 with the silver pads does not sound v shaped at all. To me it sounds ver linear. I recommend getting the silver pads and putting them on the black version like I did. In my opinion they’re more comfortable and they sound better then the black pads. Make a video about it if you can please.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Saurav, I'm pretty sure the silver DT880 models are actually more v-shaped. I'm perfectly happy with the black pads and I've got my hands totally full at the moment so I won't promise to review the silver pads - sorry ☹️
@sakabatou 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve read that plenty of 600 series owners report that the sound changes well before the pads wear out. I’m guessing that after “700000 hours” they sound nothing like they did with new stock pads
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps. They still felt good though and the sound was great, even if different.
@gramblor1 3 жыл бұрын
Home Studio Basics just made a video about the 6xx. Apparently your initial observation may have been right! According to him, the 6xx is indeed tuned differently, and in his opinion better than the 650. The video is called "Before YOU Buy An HD6XX, WATCH THIS!!"
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Oh wow. An accidental correct mistake! I'll have to check the vid!
@gramblor1 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound I really want to hear the 6xx now.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
I want a side-by-side comparison now!
@gramblor1 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound I hear ya.
@gramblor1 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound I just read some Drop comments on the HD6xx, and I'm becoming increasingly more skeptical of Home Studio Basics's take on the two headphones. A lot of people, including a Sennheiser insider named Evshrug, are adamant the two headphones use the same drivers and tuning. I'm guessing there's a certain amount of variance between units, coupled with their notoriously deflatable velour ear pads which may be igniting this controversy. I was about to pull the trigger on a pair of 6xx's, but now I'm thinking twice.
@hughrichardson7402 3 жыл бұрын
I have owned a set of HD6XX’s for a while now, been contemplating whether I upgrade them with a Zen Can or Little dot mark II. They are kinda completely different in that one is a solid state while the other is a tube, although apparently both expand on the soundstage, just not sure which one I’d prefer.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Both great options I expect. I can't directly comment on either though - sorry!
@hughrichardson7402 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound as expected, although could always use a review😉
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to help, but the local iFi supplier won't provide samples to me because I used to be friends with a competitor of his (who's no longer in that business I think) ☹️
@soulfulfool Жыл бұрын
@@hughrichardson7402 tubes, easy answer from a owner of hd600/6xx and other high impedance headphones, tubes are always the answer of music lovers ❤
@ozzi9816 Жыл бұрын
Hello! I’ve been driving a pair of HD598s for several years and they were my first audiophile headphone. I do like them, but I’m also aware that headphone technology has improved to the point where I should probably upgrade… but I’ve been lost in the sea of headphone hunting for a while now. Originally I was just going to get the 6XX’s, but I saw your planar king of the cans video (M1060 vs Vera 1) and now I’m kind of hesitating. Considering that I enjoy the HD598s, what would you recommend? I also heard of a planar headphone called the Avatone Planar that’s on the expensive side but customers say is really good, what would be your opinion on that pair?
@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын
I haven't tried the Avatone so can't comment on that one - sorry! I think for your upgrade decision it's most important to think about what you want the headphone to do for you. Do you want it to be roughly the same sound signature as the 598 but more resolving and capable or do you wish for more bass, mids or treble? I think start there and then try to find some headphones that suit your wishlist rather than going for a brand, type of model that people say is good because they might have different tastes.
@ozzi9816 Жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound As much as I like my Sennheisers, I feel like the imaging is a little too jumbled for my liking- things blend together a lot and it can be hard to pick out individual instruments sometimes. The sound stage is also a little narrow, but that’s not as high of a priority. I actually kind of live in a small town so we don’t really have any places where I can demo different headphone sets, but I’m planning on doing that when I can and taking notes of what models I like to try and pinpoint what exactly I’m looking for in a headphone. Also I’d be curious to hear your opinion about the Avantones! There’s not a lot of coverage for them from what I’ve seen, but everyone that has one swears by them
@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a good plan. I'll see if any of my friendly retailers/suppliers carry Avantone as a brand
@mingkee27 28 күн бұрын
I took a chance ($180) and ordered it. Indeed, I tried similar version (650) and my phone could play it when tried in person. Moreover, I also tried 600 but volume is barely enough, but I realized sensitivity of 600 is only 97dB/mW compared 103dB/mW on 650/double X. That's why I have confidence to order "double X"
@PassionforSound 27 күн бұрын
I hope you love them!
@mingkee27 24 күн бұрын
@@PassionforSound Definitely, Double X is less sensitive than 58X due to higher impedance. Specification is misleading Double X is 103dB/1V (not 1mW) 58X is 104dB/1V 58X has more advantage than Double X (indeed, magnet on 58X looks bigger than Double X) You hardly tell the difference with KZfaq app, but when I play local FLAC with Poweramp, the difference is significant. Fortunately, I have several 32bit/384kHz USB-C adapters and Double X works well with adapters than just headphones jack. However, if you have 58X and use it mostly with mobile devices, just modify it (remove the back foam) and live with it
@TheCujo1956 Жыл бұрын
I have a ifi zen dac /amp version 2. Would that be enough power for the 6xx?
@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын
Definitely. The 6xx aren't particularly hard to drive.
@nicktan4530 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have the HD6XX, with low quality tracks like Spotify and KZfaq with using both higher end and lower end amp/dac, does it sounds good to you ? For me, I think not really. Muddy and recess. But still have the forward mids and no recession.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Like always, Nick. Better source files will mean better sound quality
@ernestmartinez4106 Жыл бұрын
Very nice headphone and nice sound, but personally I like more my sennheizer hd 700 for my types of genres ,with better sound stage
@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын
I haven't spent much time with the HD700. Glad you're enjoying them!
@donvittoriosierra 3 жыл бұрын
amp pairing question.... For 200 USD Is the Asgard 3 any good for it?
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! It's a great choice!
@lczp 3 жыл бұрын
Hi man! I own a HD 58X and i'm looking to "upgrade" it for a more amp transparent pair of headphones, as I don't quite like the clarity on the jubilees in either my LD MK3 or my SS when compared to my Fostexes. In this I'm looking at either the HD 6XX or the DT 880 250 ohm you've reviewed for tubes. You did compare the 6xx in this video with the beyer but not with its younger brother, would you say the scaling you mentioned is different from them, or am I in a wild goose chase? I owned a pair of HD 600 before and liked them, but unfortunately can't get them again today.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Lucca, I'd definitely recommend going for the HD6XX out of those options. You'll love the upgrade I think. They're a much better headphone than the HD58X and superior to the DT880 too IMO
@lczp 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound hey man, I've finally got the 6xxs and wanted to get back to you. Well... You were absolutely right. I'm listening to the 6xxs here with the jubilees by my side, as I have been for three days now, and it is indeed a superior headphone. At first the difference didn't get to me, as they can be quite tonally similar (they're both 600ish sennheisers after all), so I was a bit disappointed. After some absolute listening and some going back to the jubilees to compare "notes" or sound cues, I can proudly and happily say that I'm thrilled with the purchase; not only the 6xx pairs a more competent driver, it has more detail and resolution overall. This specifically was a surprise to me as I've always heard the 650 as being a warm headphone; it just goes to say how dark and "fuzzy" the 58X can be at times. In the end I think they're both top notch headphones for the prices, and I figure a lot of listeners, most importantly newer ones to the hobby, won't tell the differences right away (as they're both stellar, really), but to my HD 600 past tuned ears, the 6xx just itched the spot better. Thank you for the input, I wouldn't be as brave to pull the trigger without it! Prices here in South America are somewhat kind of like in Australia I imagine: these are not that easy to come by, a $50 difference definately not to take for granted.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
That's great news, Lucca! I'm so glad you're enjoying them and I agree with everything you've said about the differences being subtle, but significant.
@imembridibuddha 2 жыл бұрын
@@lczp As an owner of the HD58x I heard that the HD6xx has a more "relaxed" sound so I wonder if the upgrade is worth it even for aggressive music genres (hard rock, metal and similar). What do you think?
@lczp 2 жыл бұрын
@@imembridibuddha Hello friend. I've made the upgrade and no, I don't think the difference is worth it. I had a very hard time hearing it when I had both headphones to AB, and I found out that the biggest difference was the pad aging. I picked on the 58X "clarity" in my original comment, but truly, it was the very old and worn pads that it had. When I swapped them for the 6XX newly bought pads, everything opened up and the jubilees became remarkably close to their older siblings. I would only suggest to you getting the 6XX if you intend to use a OTL tube amp with them, as they have higher impedance and react better to high output impedance amps (like OTLs, such as the MK3 or the Bottlehead Crack). Otherwise, stay with your 58X: it already has the sennheiser sound signature. For yet more relaxing headphones, I'd look at something more veiled or with more bass bloom to compensate the pinna gain. Something like the Aeon Open X from DCA.
@3aster Жыл бұрын
which is better, a sundara or hdxx? i'll be using them with the pc sound card for a while until i'm able to afford a decent dac.
@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын
They're both great so I don't think that question has an answer other than "it depends". Sundara has more bass, HD6XX is better for vocals and can be an easier listen. Both are fairly equivalent in terms of difficulty to drive, but in different ways
@ammar5400 3 жыл бұрын
I sold it because of that midbass bloom
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
I did the same IIRC (HD650s). Funny how coming back years later you can re-experience them!
@stasiastes Жыл бұрын
You said at the end, that there are very few headphones which do midrange/vocals better than 6xx. Could you tell us a couple of examples, please?
@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын
I'd look at the ZMF Atrium, Caldera and Vérité (open) as three excellent options (but all different). The Sendy Peacock and HarmonicDyne G200 are two others. Some will say the HD6XX are still preferable than some of these - it will all depend on personal tastes.
@stasiastes Жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound I have Sivga SV023 headphones, which are also quite vocal-centered, and xduoo TA-26 tube amp. I also have Sennheiser 560s. Do you think, that buying HD 6XX or 650 would be a worthy upgrade? Or is it better to invest in the future in Atrium/Verite, or maybe even Meze 109 PRO (without tubes)? But I think I mostly prefer the continuity and smoothness of the tubes from the solid state, so maybe should I consider some better tube amp?
@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын
If you have the SV023 already, I'd go straight to the Meze 109 or ZMF Atrium I think
@A1Mack8 3 жыл бұрын
Hd6xx with a Fulla 3 Dac/Amp combo is my current set up. Is there a superior headphone/dac combo for less then$500/$600? Probably looking for closed back this time.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. Good question - I'm not sure. Finding good closed backs can be a challenge. I can't think of anything off the top of my head in that price range. I'm sure something exists, but I just can't think of what I've heard that fits the bill
@derekw.5108 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound I thought you love NightOwl.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
I do, but to my knowledge they're no longer being made.
@derekw.5108 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound I picked one up for around $333USD ($500NZD) 3 months ago. NightOwl sounds way better than HD650 in all genres but female vocals. It still sounds good with female vocals, just not HD650 good!
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
That's great! They're a wonderful headphone!
@gramblor1 3 жыл бұрын
I'd really like to hear the hd6xx now. I own the hd650 and rarely reach for it these days. It has a very dark, veiled sound that is quite smooth, but lacking in detail. It's a nice headphone, but it sort of puts me to sleep.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Apparently they ARE the HD650. I was sure I'd read or seen that they were different and they didn't leave me feeling like my old HD650s had so I'm a little perplexed...
@gramblor1 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound Yeah, that's what I've gathered. It is a good headphone.
@gramblor1 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound I think I'll listen to it later today with my Dark Voice tube amp. I think I prefer it with that amp, but who knows?
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes it's about change more than one setup being right all the time. I find that change reminds me of the qualities of each piece of gear (for better and worse)
@I_beat_up_cuckolds 2 жыл бұрын
Hey lachlan. I have 6xx. Should i get the sundara or 600 as my next pair. Is the 600 better headphone than 6xx?
@PassionforSound 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Jeet, the 600 is basically a brighter 6xx. The Sundara is not drastically different in tuning compared to the 6xx, but it's a bit more extended in the bass and treble so it tends to be a little less mid-centric and also has better bass response down low. Hard to say which I'd choose from the 6xx - probably depends on what you need/want from your next headphone.
@ohnonate 2 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound Hi Lachlan, thanks again for another honest review, i was wondering what would you prefer for instrumental and orchestral music but also other genres here and there the HD6XX or the Sundaras that would be connected to a RMEADI? The reason im asking i can get a decent pair off second hand for either headphones. Thank you
@PassionforSound 2 жыл бұрын
That's a tough one - both are great headphones. I'd decide based on the qualities of the headphone that you want - midrange focussed with lighter bass (HD6XX) or a more balanced overall sound with better bass extension, but a slightly less organic sound in the midrange (Sundara). Both will work well with the ADI-2
@STR82DVD 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant bloody critique! I just purchased them on Drop at $169 price point. Great headphones at an unbeatable price lad. There just no longer any reason not to buy these cans.
@PassionforSound 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Outstanding headphones and that pricing is ridiculously good!
@vijeykumar7429 2 жыл бұрын
Omg how did you get it so low? I've only seen it at 179 a couple days ago, but sadly I missed it. I'll wait for it to come down again before pulling the trigger.
@STR82DVD 2 жыл бұрын
@@vijeykumar7429 I just waited for the sale, put it in my basket, then logged out without finishing the purchase. Drop then sent me an email offering an addition 10 percent saving on my purchase when I completed the purchase. I do that all the time... Vendors want the sales so they offer me a carrot to finish the purchase just about every time.
@STR82DVD 2 жыл бұрын
@@vijeykumar7429 BTW... They bloody rock in terms of sound reproduction and the presentation let's you knows they are a serious set of cans.
@PassionforSound 2 жыл бұрын
What a great tip!
@brentkjernisted2215 Жыл бұрын
How do these pair with the Xduoo t-26 tube amp?
@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын
Beautifully! The TA-26 is great with pretty much any high impedance headphone
@thomas-df7qg 3 жыл бұрын
hi , i have an xdp 30 r pionner do you think it is strong enough for the 660 s? im afraid that 150 ohms is too much..
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Thomas, it's hard to say because the 30R specs are quoted at 32 ohms, but it does look a bit underpowered for the Sennheiser 6-series cans
@pliedtka 3 жыл бұрын
Anything that can push 5V p-p without current drop should be more than enough - I can drive 58X (150ohm) from cellphone, not loud but just at borderline of Codec's output capabilities.
@Tripokaridos22 3 жыл бұрын
Tip for HD6 line owners Dont ever change the Original Hybrid Velur pads. Dont just dont.. I have tried from yaxi to dekoni to brainwavz and Shure pads nothing worked.
@pliedtka 3 жыл бұрын
All, well most of aftermarket pads suck with Sennheisers, bringing way too much output at frequencies below 500Hz. Similar situation will be with other headphones, most of the time OEM pads work best, unless someone is looking for specific sound signature.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Aftermarket pads are always a gamble in altering the stock tuning. Mpamphs, sorry that I missed your comment when you posted it. Not sure why some comments don't come up in my feed!
@Tripokaridos22 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound its ok my friend , better late than never :)
@midorihibiki 3 жыл бұрын
I have a love hate relationship with this Sennheiser HD650 which is an original name of Sennheiser HD6xx. I like the sound but sometimes the soundstage is weird to my ears. The leftforward and the rightforward are weakness of this headphone, sound like in your face so the soundstage is narrow. The sound sometimes feels like veil I can understand. The voice is forward just in your face make me feel tired sometimes. But with well recording with high vibration singers voice from this headphone deliveries is one of the best voices ever that I have ever heard. Low voice singers is just fine. This headphone scales up very well everytime I change gears in my system it does tell me the differences in sound. My next headphone could be Sony MDR Z1R. I am tired of Western, China headphones build quality. Time is back to high end Japan headphones. And the tuning of Western headphones are maybe not my taste I guess.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experiences, midorihibiki. I've not yet heard the Z1R, but I've heard it can be underwhelming. If you get a chance, do check out the Focal Clears. They're a great tuning and not at all like the German brands.
@hamtairo 3 жыл бұрын
I have HD6xx for half a year. I am not sure if I should pull trigger to HD600 since its like classic headphone for being very natural sounding. I just worry they are too close to each other and i will have issue enjoy each of them being so identical to each other. Or its better of for me to upgrade to something of higher tier bracket (some recommendations would be helpful)
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
I'd personally choose something a bit more different. As to what you should choose, what are you looking for more or less of compared to the HD6XX? What do you wish it did better for you, etc?
@hamtairo 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound cheers for the reply. I guess I would need to have a deep dive onto this🤔🤔🤔and make up my mind from there. Knowing that this hobby is very personal preference oriented. What you liked maybe a big no no for myself😰
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's a bit of a challenge (the personal nature of this hobby), but if you can express your preferences, I can at least point you towards headphones to consider so you don't have to research everything 🙂
@hamtairo 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound Hi Lachlan, Thanks for the reply & sorry for late reply as did deep dive on what my preference and how does 6xx serve my need. Afterall, you're asking me a legit question. I listened to various different genre of music like Easy Listening(Frank Pourcel), Orchestral Symphony, Electronic (Air,M83 & Vangelis Blade Runner), Eurobeat, Big Band Jazz, Rock (Muse, Oasis, Pink Floyd & Metallica) and City pop (Tatsuro Yamashita). I may miss out some genre here but you get the gist here. The tracks I listened to are ripped manually as wav file from CD's I previously with Hd280 then moved to Hd598 for next 11 years (still with same stock pad and still using it as my work laptop headphone) before acquiring HD6xx 6/7 months ago *A disclaimer is I have to admit I unable to go deep into the technical details (would love to understand it but not sure where to start with). So what I am about to describe is based from what I have now and does not have the experience in any other brand/models due to me not have proper source, baseline playlist I am familiar with to me and time for myself to try other headphone for longer listening session. Hence my opinion may be naïve* Coming from HD598 can say that HD6xx is a massive improvement: -Everything seemed to more clearer & detailed as compared to my previous headphone. -Just felt that in certain genre like rock, the bass can be a little too much for my liking while it was perfect for orchestral symphony type music. While it was balanced for me in the middle for other genres. -Felt that most music I had illusion of them playing in front of me in narrow room instead of some open space. -Lastly, as much as I liked it being more clear & detailed than HD598. I got feeling that it be muddy/mushy when there are plenty on going where all instruments are in play (especially fast music like rock or Eurobeat) and it hard to to focus on one instrument that are playing that time. -To add on, I also felt the music was slightly coloured too (as if headphone add its own taste to music). It was not neutral enough for me. I will revert to HD280 from time to time as it quite neutral for me. Again my impression may differs from yours but not sure based on what written above warrant me to go for HD600 or just go for planar based headphone or other makes product. Being said, I still do enjoy HD6xx and just being nitpicking. Watch yours and various review/video/writeup about this two comparison between hd600/hd6xx does not help lol. What your take on my above statement. Look forward to hear back from you.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed response. I think there are a few other headphones I'd consider based on your preferences and the fact you already have the 6XX. Some options would be the HiFiMan Sundara, AKG K712 Pro (I've discussed this in my Yaxi pad review), beyerdynamic Tygr 300R (reviewing soon) or even HiFiMan Ananda if you can afford it - this would represent both a nice, incremental upgrade AND a different type of sound.
@Kbaum752 2 жыл бұрын
I'm late too the party. Zmf pads on my 6xx and 4xx. Both are great.
@Merkava76 3 жыл бұрын
Question Lachlan, what's the difference between the HD600 and the 6×× please ?
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben, the HD600 is a slightly brighter sounding headphone - not by a huge amount, but a little more open and less rich sounding. The HD650 seems to generally be the more popular model and the HD6XX IS the same as the HD650 (despite my error in saying they were different)
@Merkava76 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound Thank you buddy much appreciated for your time and help. I noticed that it's cheaper to buy them from drop, instead of the HD600 from here.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, best to go with the HD6XX generally
@danboy77 11 ай бұрын
Am I right in stating the mojo 2 would come up short if your aiming for 120db?
@PassionforSound 11 ай бұрын
The Mojo 2 might get you there, but that should never be your goal unless you want permanent hearing loss
@danboy77 11 ай бұрын
@@PassionforSoundso it’s possible to have the amp come up short in power for say 120db but has the correct voltage and your fine? I’m just starting to get a grasp on matching amps I always followed recommendations 😳
@PassionforSound 11 ай бұрын
I always use 110dB as my reference for power. For safe listening levels, you should be aiming for about 75-85dB as your maximum continuous volume. By using 110dB as the benchmark, you're ensuring the amp has plenty of power for 75-85dB with lots of room to spare so you know you're not ever stressing the amp into a range where it will distort and sound harsh. The HD6XX needs 10mW to achieve 110dB (this is made up of 1.7V and 5.8mA) so voltage will be the limiting factor. That said, the Mojo 2 can output 5.7V into 300 ohms and 90mW max it has no problems at all driving the HD6XX to safe listening levels and beyond
@RenRenification 2 жыл бұрын
Would an hd6xx with a $1500 USD amp/dac sound better than an Elex with a entry $200-$250 USD amp/dac?
@PassionforSound 2 жыл бұрын
Most likely yes, but it will depend on the synergy and also your preferences for the signature of both headphones
@snowmean1 3 жыл бұрын
I completely agree on Hifiman HE4XX, and can easily interpolate this finding to entire Hifiman headphones line up to Arya: they are solid combination of compromises. They are doing everything well, but nothing outstanding which makes them hard to recommend for any specific application. Despite all great review regarding Sundara's technicality, I still find them just boring.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Pavel, I'm shocked that you find them boring. What types of music do you listen to and what's your source chain of DAC and amp?
@snowmean1 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound I mostly listening to the Rock, Britpop, Garage, Blues and some occasional folk and instrumental. For those genres I found LCD2C is the best option as it provides a soundstage matches the small club or garage and has right amount of everything to keep engaged but not fatiguing. I'm listening mostly from my Schiit stack (Modi 3 + Magni Heresy) or from one of my Fiio BTR5 ot X5III. But to be honest I was listening to the Sundara in addictedtoaudio store using their Fiio M11Pro with some fancy iFi Amp. On my set of music I prefer LCD-2C even over ClearMG, Ananda and Grado GS1000 (which was my second best).
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, Sundara is on a different level (lower) than all those others. I agree that it lacks excitement and dynamics compared to headphones like the LCD2C
@snowmean1 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound true, I was initially aimed at Ananda, but set it aside as soon as listen to the Audeze. Sundara appeared there just to satisfy my curiosity regarding what is the buzz about, and couldn't find anything in it to my preferences. Technically they are good, and it's hard to find weak spots in its technical abilities, but overall they just have lack of character. Good for everything, but isn't great in anything.
@snowmean1 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound anyway, thanks for the content. You are doing great reviews very comprehensive and accurate. Keep up, and good luck!
@miladesn 3 жыл бұрын
I bought mine years ago for $180, still going strong just changed pads. I will never sell them. Their only drawback is that I wouldnt use them for movies and games. There are better options for that purpose.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Good to hear, miladesn! I agree on the movies and games, but great for tunes.
@vladpetric7493 3 жыл бұрын
My grand unified theory is that 90% of audiophiles are either Sennheads or Beyerheads :-p
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Quite possibly. I think Focal and HifiMan get a bit of a go as well these days, but it's probably like cameras where it's Canon and Nikon and then all the rest.
@vladpetric7493 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound Well, there's also Leica in the camera world :-)
@pliedtka 3 жыл бұрын
That is a very interesting theory indeed, having moded DT880-600 and moded HD58X I lean towards Sennhead, but ultimately is neither one. 880 too bright and not as comfortable, HD58X a bit too boring, uneven, with narrow soundstage and lacking resolution. Maybe I try Sundara once the COVID is under control.
@AreTwo2 8 ай бұрын
Yep 700,000 hours is a lot - I've had my HD540s for 30 years and only racked up about 25,000 hours.
@PassionforSound 8 ай бұрын
Wow! That's a bit of mileage! Glad you're enjoying them so much
@AreTwo2 8 ай бұрын
@@PassionforSound :-) I replaced the strap with HD408 (bought them) strap as only one that fitted. Also broke & replaced cable. They look shabby now, but together with my NEW Fosi K5 they still sound great.
@brianisaac1804 3 жыл бұрын
Are you going to do a review on the HD800s or the Arya?
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Brian, the HD800S is on-hand and in the queue. It's still a way off though. Still working on a contact at HifiMan to get the Aryas.
@brianisaac1804 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound Come Black Friday I will make purchase from Apos though your link. But before I do, are you sure I can get good sound with the A90 and the Schiit modius with my 800s?
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Brian, thank you! I've been using the Bifrost 2, A90 and HD800S quite a lot at the combo is great. As always there are better products than the A90 and Modius, but that setup will produce great sound, no doubt!
@brianisaac1804 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound Sadly the Bifrost 2 is a little expensive. Unless it's on sale on Black Friday, I'll have to go with the Modius.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
The Modius is great and will serve you well. What I meant was that you can always upgrade in futurenif you want to, but you definitely won't need to. You'll love that setup, I'm sure!
@atheistmetal1 2 жыл бұрын
nice headphone stand
@PassionforSound 2 жыл бұрын
I like it too. It's an Avantree Bamboo stand. There should be a link in the description to make it easier if you want one
@mlagathomason2555 3 жыл бұрын
So should you run one of these with your mobile phone?
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't recommend this for a direct connection to mobile phones. Best to use a dongle style DAC like the EarMen Eagle if you want to get the most out of this level of headphone
@lumixenz 3 жыл бұрын
1:25 I would also guess that's an exaggeration since that's 80 straight years!
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Lol. Thanks for doing the calculation! 😃
@lapinbeau 2 жыл бұрын
"He has about 700,000 hours on these" 80 years listening to these 20 year old headphones! Because time just FLIES by when you're enjoying your tunes!
@PassionforSound 2 жыл бұрын
Ain't that the truth 🤣
@michaelhoward2095 3 жыл бұрын
Wish they said sennheiser on the headband.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe that's how they get the pricing down, by not using the premium brand name.
@davidwright2379 Жыл бұрын
Would the 6xx run ok with fiio btr5 dac amp Lachlan? Cheers Dave
@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын
Hmmmm... That's a good question and one I can't test because I don't own the BTR5, but I think it should be ok.
@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын
Just checked the specs and, based only on the maths which isn't 100% accurate due to the way specs are produced and the way different music is recorded, the BTR5 should have just enough juice. The HD6XX needs about 12mW to reach 110dB (way too loud, but a good indicator of having enough headroom). The BTR5 puts out about 30mW into around 250 ohms so it will drop down close to 15mW at the peak of the HD6XX impedance (it varies with frequency) but should still provide enough power to have a little to spare. Hope that makes sense.
@davidwright2379 Жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound thanks Lachlan, great reply and yes makes sense, I guess the real test is to try it out, I'll see if I can get my hands on a pair, and also see if the hd600 can run with the btr5? Falling short, are there any dac amp you'd recommend? Primarily I use a phone or tablet as source, cheers, thank you again, Dave
@davidwright2379 Жыл бұрын
Oh, and I plugged in my hd560s into a Rotel system amp yesterday, my dad's, geez they came alive listening to all genre of jazz !!!!
@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын
I think the BTR5 will do fine, but if not, what's your budget? Options like the EarMen Colibri are brilliant, but it will depend on how much you're willing to spend because there's also the Mojo 2 which is the best of the bunch.
@lupoal4113 3 жыл бұрын
wtf ... that adv. (9:30) about spreadshirt is a pain in the ass! shit! ... coming to the headphone... I have the 6XX and the 580 (that one with the lighy gray grill)... if you want to feel the 6XX flight high then... an OTL amp (a good starting point is the Little Dot MK2 but NOT with the stock tubes) and a source that allow you to apply some light EQ, like the good Roon Rock... then a must, again a MUST, is to replace the headphone stock cable with something better, possibly made with 7N cooper
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experiences, lupoal. As for the ad, it's very difficult to keep the reviews coming and particularly the reviews people are asking to see without making the money to pay for the gear. As the channel grows I'll gladly drop the ad in the middle, but the channel still owes me >$5000 and that's including all the gear I've sold to buy other stuff to review. I am looking to produce a shorter version of it soon because it's longer than I'd hoped, but the production takes time too and I have a paid day job that has to take first priority. I hope you understand 🙂
@imacat8476 3 жыл бұрын
I think the best all rounder sennheiser, A vintage sennheiser better than 6xx/600, is the HD540 ref 1 600, gold 600ohm, ref 2 300ohm. They're mid forward, like the hd600 but neutral-bright, bigger staging (massive, right behind the hd800), more detail and some of the best imaging I've heard, right before HD800. This is not a unique opinion, this is a popular opinion among those who get their hands on these, they're the successor to the 600 series despite having been released before them, hands down. And guess what? There is only one review of them, a not very good review, why don't you get your hand on one of them and review it? They're from the 80s, the HD540 reference 2 300ohm (there is no 600ohm version for the reference 2) and HD540 reference 1 600ohm are the easiest to get of the bunch, the reference 1 300ohm is the worst of the bunch. The 600ohm golds is the absolute best of them all, all these versions need the proper pads, the original velour or hybrid fabric pads, nothing else, the velour being the absolute best. For your sake and ease, if you decide to review one (which you should because they're amazing), look on hifishark.com and try to get the HD540 reference 2 300ohm with velour pads, this way you won't have to go through the tedious process of proving if the golds or the ref 1 600ohm is actually 600ohm or what. Because the reference 2 is pretty damn top tier, sweeping the floors over the 650 (and i love the 650), replacing it as a all rounder headphone. If you want the challenge of getting the reference 1 600ohm or gold, there is a couple things to know, the 300ohm ref 1 says 300ohm on the side of the ear cups, the 600ohm does not, another way to confirm is by taking the pads off and looking on the inner ring, it says the ohms, alternatively (not as reliable) you can ask to see inside the original hand booklet and it should say the ohms. With the 600 ohm golds, the 300ohm doesn't have the ohm listed on the ear cups, only other way to truely know is by having them take the earpad off and looking at the inner ring, it should say 300 or 600 ohm, also a quick way to check if a gold is 600ohm or not is if the serial number on the headband and paper inside the box is anywhere from 0-18k (17-18k is risky territory because this is where they started changing some models to 300ohm), safe bet is 0-12k if you can't get an image of inside the ear cups or the original booklet. You want the original pads, the velour for the golds, the hybrid pads can do if there is no other option but don't settle for anything 3rd party, these change a lot based on pads.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the info, cat. I'll keep an eye out, but I probably won't review them because the need for this review will be fairly limited.
@garybennett7835 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry personally I prefer Sivga Phoenix , no clamp and wider sound .
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
That's ok. Everyone is entitled to their own tastes. (And I think we should all listen to whatever we enjoy regardless of what the rest of the world say) I'm yet to try the Phoenix, but others have said it's a good headphone.
@andrepoon 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the 650 and the 6xx were the same headphone??....
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's my error. I'd read or watched somewhere that there might have been some adjustments made, but I have either continued someone else's error or misremembered.
@krypto_9872 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound I've heard earpads being worn out can have a negative effect on the HD650/HD6xx making them sound too dark.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
That would make sense. In this case though, it was my memory that failed, not the pads 😉
@hpol3603 3 жыл бұрын
The 6XX is the HD650
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Not quite, HP.
@hpol3603 3 жыл бұрын
In soundquality, there is no difference. I have never heard anyone say otherwise. No difference when I compared.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Ouch. That's my error, H Pol - sorry! I was sure I'd seen/heard that they created a tuning between the HD600 & HD650. Not sure where I got that from (iny head it was Jude over at Head-Fi, but I'm not blaming him if I am simply misremembering or mixing up with some other headphone)
@hpol3603 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound According to some measurements it can be a small, small difference between the 6XX and the 650. But if you compare them side by side you dont hear a difference. At least with the two headphones that I had in hand. The 650 is a friends headphone and the 6XX is mine, fantastic headphones for the price. The source we used in the comparison is a Chord Hugo TT2.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps it was a measurement comparison I saw (which would make sense because Jude does measurements on gear that he discusses) I used them with TT2 as well - they perform surprisingly well with that level of equipment
@jayl5941 3 жыл бұрын
Super squeeeeezzzzyyyy. Otherwise I love them. Why can't they make them a little larger?
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure. I guess it would take a full redesign of multiple parts
@chefsteve8381 3 жыл бұрын
try $400 au
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for clarifying. Is that buying through A2A?
@chefsteve8381 3 жыл бұрын
yes
@chefsteve8381 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound and you will not get them till January at best so the website says, so cross them off your Christmas list
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Bummer
@SlickBlackCadillac 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, Shit take bro. You say based on the HD 600/650. The 650 have different drivers than the 600. The 6xx have the same drivers as 650 and sounds EXACTLY the same although you claim they do not.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that was my error (addressed somewhere in the comments) based on what may be a false memory of an interview I thought I saw with Jude from Head-Fi. My apologies!
@chefsteve8381 3 жыл бұрын
I'm betting every 2nd comment will say the magic Sennheiser word, VAILED!
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Possibly, but I didn't find that on the 6XX. I did find it a little on the 650 so I'm aware of it, but the 6XX is just great to my ears
@Tripokaridos22 3 жыл бұрын
The old hd650 have that not the new ones. Also Hd660s are the best of them all by far.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
I'm yet to try the 660. I've seen mixed reports
@Tripokaridos22 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound mixed reports ? I havent seen any negative review everywhere... Just that some people prefer the veilws hd650 sound that yeah. But a review saying that are not good inhave never seen.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen a few people saying that the 660 aren't an upgrade and the 600/650 are better. That's all
@chefgav1 3 жыл бұрын
If youove that VEILED sound
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't find that with the 6XX. 650 and 58X yes, but not so much with the 6XX
@yunloy Жыл бұрын
Dang talking about being subjective
@mrcrunch8000 3 жыл бұрын
Very misleading talk about power here. 120mw at 300ohm is a decent amount of power even for that 1 watt amp given as an example. That figure is for a 32ohm load in most cases and the amp will be capable of much less at 300 ohms. With that said most stuff will have no problem regardless but saying something has roughly 10 times the power when in reality it is closer to 2-3x as much as needed.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Michael, I get that most amps aren't rated at 300 ohms, but I think it's a bit extreme to call it misleading. I think the essence of my point is pretty clear when I provide specific figures to demonstrate that these headphones only need 120mW to reach 120dB. The 1W amp example was more to illustrate that crazy powerful amps really aren't necessary and I didn't state an impedance level for the 1W of power. For reference though, something like the very popular Schiit Jotunheim amp outputs 1.2W to 300 ohm so my example was grounded in reality and not at all misleading.
@mrcrunch8000 3 жыл бұрын
@@PassionforSound You're not wrong. As embarrassing as this is I apologize. For some reason I carried over this narrative of the previous video I watched without noticing. Idk why I thought I was still watching that video and I applied the context of the amps compared there to this for some weird reason. I don't know if I got up during the change or just wasn't paying attention but you are correct I put it in a context it wasn't actually put in. Again, I apologize.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
That's completely ok, Michael. I appreciate you replying and also the intent of your original comment because misinformation about power requirements is abundant. Thanks again for watching and commenting 🙂
@nicermog 3 жыл бұрын
4xx is not durable. eod.
@PassionforSound 3 жыл бұрын
I've had no problems with my secondhand one (other than the cables which are easily replaced)
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