Cant remember as it was 10 years ago. (Stag) was very small and a lot more Red than wap as you can see in the antler formation. While I passed on it my son was more than happy to shoot it and hangs on his wall fully mounted and not hanging in the rafters out in the shed. My good man you have obviously spent some time in Fiordland and that is very commendable. I myself have done 8 trips over the years and have now given up on it as getting a decent trophy is more of a dream than reality. I've pulled the trigger 3 times. A 40+ inch 12 in the Luger with Greg Duley that was a glorified Red. A big 11 in Canyon creek that had no wap configuration at all and the cull I shot in Kakapo. I've found more than a few that have been "rolled over the bank" when it wasn't as big as the shooter thought when pulling the trigger. Kakapo had far too many animals when I was there. The valley floor was eaten out where they spend the winter and snow blankets the tops.

@@neilphilpott-sikahuntingsa5784 I haven’t hunted any Wapiti in fiordland only reds around Manapouri. Still haven’t been pulled for a ballot yet. So you definitely have more experience than me in that front. I grew up shooting for the table with dad and trophy hunting is lot newer to me. Im at stage of learning to age on stags, bulls and bull tahr. Reading all articles from duleys, videos on age, and stuff on point south and trying incorporate it into my hunting. Its helped as me and my father have left a lot of animals we would have shot a few years ago. Got rewarded with a nice touch off 40” 11 red and a nice 12” bull from the coast for so I haven’t shot any good trophies minus a really old horn rot buck from the perth. Being in Canada now and seeing proper big mature elk will hopefully help me in knowing what is a shooter and isn’t. I wasn’t trying be an ass when I was writing about age of your sons bull, I was hoping you had the age and could have educated me on what I aged it at, why it was shot and why it was its age on body characteristics. Lesson for me on being more tactful. Thanks for the reply regardless.

3.5 to 4.5 is my guess

@@timjones5930 Knew the guys that shared the block with these people, they let this young 12 pt bull walk.

@@livetoofish Its luck ran out with a better hunter maybe? Nothing says it would have ever got better, and it might be anything up to in its prime. Correct aging analysis is needed to confirm it, hybrid head configuration affects it .

No the ethical hunters left it to grow. Needed a good few more years to mature.

Thank you for your comment. My good man I've let more stags/bulls walk than you could ever imagine

Yes you right about the audience. Seem to be plenty "experts" out there now. It was far from being a pure bred wap. Very small in body no bigger than a good Red. Antler configuration was Red but obviously had wap blood but not a lot

@@neilphilpott-sikahuntingsa5784 Still a big 12 pointer that's going on the wall. With significantly wap type coat and antlers, likely as wap as anything that side of the hill, & possibly throughout. .

I know but any decent music has copyright attached

@@neilphilpott-sikahuntingsa5784 Most seem to think music enhances their video skills. It's like many of the statements commonly made, better left elsewhere