The caulking has a 1 year warranty but the shower has 15? 🤷‍♂️

My understanding is any polyurethane sealant is used for expansion joints? In EXTERNAL building applications amd definitely not in internal wet areas. That’s the case in Australia where I am, in showers we use silicone not polyurethane but silicone is only used to seal junction joints in tile applications where the floor meets the wall. You absolutely need a one piece system of waterproofing from floor to wall transition with no overlapping of two separate materials but this doesn’t even have that! Like Isaac says the complete waterproofing of floor to wall joint is reliant on caulking! This is madness! This is all wedi’s fault 100% the install looks beautiful to me he just followed wedi’s instructions

2021 Catalog: "Wedi Joint Sealant is Polyisocyanates and PVC free, and a zero VOC sealant." I'm with you...nothing magic in a caulking tube except 3M 5200.

Thanks for the vid TileCoach.

I live in New Zealand and repairing leaking tile showers make up 50% of my work.I have used ardex wpm 001 for 25 years always over sand and cement screeds. Never had one leak.... famous last words.Companies have tried to reinvent the wheel for faster installs etc.Worst one is the Atlantis system where you tile over a pvc tray with mapei epoxy.Wont tile them as a couple I did years ago .The tiles delaminated...as for the crappy waterproofing stick on butynol for the walls I waterproofed over the top to be sure and meshed the bottom join

Yep, it could be a "lifetime" warranty and still wouldn't matter cause the MO is deny all claims. The only repercussion the homeowner would has is to sue the mega corporation.

Pedro Escarfullery *you’re

Pedro Escarfullery or ‘your *lion’ 🤷🏻‍♂️

@Pedro Escarfullery No it's true.

1surfercross, I've never used WEDI, but can vouch for them that sadly the vast majority of the times any system fail is due to the installer, and not the product. I have researched WEDI and would feel confident giving a lifetime warranty on the installation and product, but should disclose that I have been renovating multi-million dollar homes for 30 years. Also- no way would I trust 99% of the contractors that are hired from craigslist, or Angie's List the classifieds etc. to complete a walk-in shower install start to finish. I know better than to do something like that :)

I'm a tile setter and I get calls about stuff like this all the time.

Pedro Escarfullery yeah because he don’t install that junk!

Most houses I have seen in PA have the cast iron or more often plastic shower base and then ceramic tile walls. The bottom is one solid piece and so does not have these issues. I cannot figure out why these people in California go for these tiled shower bases with so much work, expense and problems.

@Pedro Escarfullery You're telling people they sound stupid, when your grammar is shit. Learn how to type pendejo.

Pedro Escarfullery where’s you’re punctuations since your so smart you idiot?

I agree 100% that's why Wedi sealant works because it is not caulk.

I think they only get soft after being wet from a leak, is that right? Schluter setup is much better than Wedi at least with Kerdiband on all your 90 degree angles-vertical and horizontal.

My tile guy is dead set against foam pan products. His experience is that over time, foam pans breakdown depending on how heavy they are used. For example, if it's the main shower for a family of 4-5, a foam based pan will likely fail within 8-10 years. That's approximately 140 showers a month, or 1,680 in a year. Anyway you look at it, that's a lot of compression/decompression of the foam board even if the average compression is less than 32nd of an inch...over time as the foam breaks down, failure is a certainty.

Termites my ass. That is dry rot from years and years of water intrusion.

I install wedi and hydroblock. It's a good system if you know how to install it correctly.

I think Wedi is great for the walls and benches, but after watching this, I might not use it for a shower pan.

I wish isaac would use his energy to speak out other truths. Like flat earth. Is the earth flat or round? It's always appeared flat to me.

The house rotted around the shower

Eric, please don't encourage the misinformed. "Never rely on a sealant" is like saying never rely on a roof to keep you dry or never rely on a fire to keep you warm. You do realize there are specialty products on the market that are perfectly capable of making water and airtight gaskets for many decades? After 30 years of home renovations, my best advice: There's a whole lot of different stuff you can do- you just have to know what you are doing ;)

Rick the Swift You are right about needing to know what you are doing and with over 25 years of tile and stone installation experience myself. Waterproofing systems are designed to eliminate water penetration to the substrate (just like on a roof). If any part fails, it fails, and the sealants is ALWAYS the weakest part.

@@ericrogers9253 I would agree that sealants are often the weakest link in the chain. But. This is also the case with head gaskets and valve gaskets in modern and vintage automobiles- many of which still hold up perfectly after many years of thoughtful maintenance. It also helps in such cases that the system was usually designed by an experienced engineer, being guided by decades of data, and monitored by strict regulations, rather than someone who may or may not have a high school diploma or GED, and who may have just watched a DIY video at Home Depot, or KZfaq before placing a bid on a project. Not that the lack of certification disqualifies someone from being informed- just saying, homeowners (HO's) often will hire the most affordable contractors and the one who lives closest to the project (IOW a neighbor) which was likely the case here.

@@Rick-the-Swift it's funny (to me) you mentioned head gasket. Just had my head gaskets replaced on my truck, not a cheap fix (since the warrantee guy denied the claim). I sure wish they made things to last like they use too.

Wouldn't the easy solution be, to use wedi subliner dry tape on the permiter of the base and corners?

Redguard fails a lot as well. I only use it as a crack surpressant. I have been using chloralloy and mudpacking the shower floor for thirty years with no failures. Recently I have had customers who insist on the Schluter system and I have reservations about using styrofoam on the floor. I've done a few that way, but after seeing this debacle I'm only doing it old school.

@@jonm9538 I would love to see a video of how you do a proper shower floor. What is chloralloy? I have to redo a shower. Thanks.

You must have watched the whole video! Thank you. Most guys get mad, skip through it, and blame the original installer when they don't even know what happened. Most of the complaints I get are "wrong sealant was used". totally false. At the time, wedi was using Sikaflex which is a polyurethane sealant that is totally different than the sealant (silane based) that they use today. I explain in detail in the following video:kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ldmbjNabq6jSgIE.html

+1 the sealant should be grey.

I hope you are better at shower pans most installers do. Daily I walk into failed mudset pans. Yesterday I got to redo a shower that was never used it was so badly done.

Kory Sarnelli 😂😂😂😂😂 I was looking for a comment about this

Haha I knew I'd find this comment

Scrolled to comments immediately after this😂

@@docwoodmd1870 lol

Finally someone said something! Everyone else are all boring and professional-soundin

Don't worry about what you did. Wedi is good as long as you used the wedi caulk sealant. It clearly wasn't used here and is the failure.

16 OC. The middle one rotted out.

Real tile setters like myself know water is your biggest enemy

Or just don’t listen to this dude. One of the two

Right that makes sense everytime, every job

Actually, that's true. If you do the math, a residential shower gets more "rain" than any place on Earth.

@@ironwooddesigns9532 Le bois et l'eau ça fait pas bon ménage je comprends pas vous construisez pas en béton en Amérique

How would you recommend someone tie in a repair for a severely failed pan? The former owners of our house had a Wedi shower installed around 12-15 years ago which we just had fail. We have no idea who the installer was - and it's probably a good thing because this failure was due to extreme negligence on the installer's part. The wall was cut too short and tried to use wedi urethane to make up the difference. We had an inch and a half thick rope of wedi urethane around the base of the shower. He also 'adapted' the plumbing on the drain and self-modified wedi parts by slicing off everything and using a rope of caulking the size of my thumb to attach the wedi drain to the P trap....with some other weirdness mixed in for good measure. We have one course of tile removed and the floor too. I just want the future work to be correct. What do I need to watch out for or insist that my contractor does?

Andrea Wolf I’m sorry to tell you but if you want to be fixed correctly, just re-do the whole shower, repair will always be a repair, plus nobody will give you any kind of warranty on a repair, or at least I will not. Good luck and I’m sorry about the bad installer.

Right! :)...I love that system...Tile guy for over 30 years...Do you preslope?

@@godbluffvdgg ​ Yes I always preslope. Do you put cheese wiz on your cheese steaks? I always preferred marinara.

@@Hodmokrin :)...I ask because that SalTile guy, that has a channel on here says he doesn't do it and you don't need it...I preslope too AND I aqua seal the pre and the wet bed...That at least gives me the tail light warrantee...:)...And cheese steaks get Provolone...Sharp if they got.. it...but if you've had a few beers; wiz is the most awesome thing in the world...:

@Carleton Rutherford you're right God forbid they try to do as mud pan. That's why we make the big bucks 😉

How can you sleep at night knowingly installing septic tanks under your client's feet.

Mapei has a self sealing bandage as does Technokolla, they are designed to be a consistent crack coverage item for a full liquid applied membrane. They do not work well by themselves. Marmox is under parent company WarmUp and their system sucks balls....it really does. Here in New Zealand, they place a sheet waterproofing membrane, then the marmox board, then the underfloor heating and tiling....all wrong. The bathrooms smell musty and all the levels are out unless the room was plumb and level from the start. Totally dumb system thats overpriced.

I'm going to be using a similar pan system by RSS with goBoard for the walls. No curb though, I have room to build up a slight ramp with mortar. After seeing this video though I plan on not trusting just the polyurethane joint, I'll be using waterproof taping and hydroban the entire thing.

Nice lol

Too bad Billy Mays is dead. He could have fixed this.

nothing a bit of super glue and some caulk can't fix...

Lmao!

Flex seal

Absolutely right Roger. I did my bathroom using wefi 14 years ago and it's as good as the day I installed it. I posted a comment here months ago to which someone's just replied and noticed your comment.

Skill Builder I agree that the installer totally screwed up but I am a WEDI certified installer and just went to the secondary certification in Chicago last year. You are I correct. They do want the rabbet cut now but they want you to block in behind (Between the studs) and put a massive bead in that channel. That way when you push it down it should squeeze out a good bit and then you run the Wedi corner knife on that seam and let it dry. Once it’s dry you go back in with the sealant and run a new bead and again use the knife to get it sitting in the crease well. It’s what they call their double barrier system.

The contractor was "certified" by the manufacturer, and the manufacturer refuses to back the warranty that mandates installation by the "certified" installer. Basically, the warranty and certification are absolutely worthless.

@@kassklothes so everyone that’s certified does it the way they were taught? Come on now. Let’s me logical. It was a bad contractor. It’s quite obvious

@@kassklothes The problem is even though the installer is certified he obviously missed a few steps. Also I’ve never heard of not using the rabbits.

I somewhat agree with you, the clock that he showed was white I'm not had any problems with wedi installations what's the weather at waterproof and water test every shower pan but after 10 or 11 years I would assume that especially living in California with wood being underneath and not a concrete slab oh, I would assume that there would be a lot of Shifting

100% correct…wedi sealant is grey, not white, and is proprietary. It must be used with their systems to be warrantied.

Wedi use to use a white caulking sealant.

@@jamespenhale6166 wedi didn’t always use the grey sealant. Use to be a white caulking type sealant

Funnily enough I started ripping my bathroom apart just before lockdown occurred. I had kind of decided to go with the Wedi system, but like you I am now having second thoughts. I guess all systems have their failings and so it is difficult to know which way to turn! Thing is, whatever option you choose it is damned expensive and so it pays to get it right. This of course doesn’t take into account any damage thereafter if it is done wrong. Sheesh, I think I need to go and have a lie down.

Amen, and even if it was inspected, that doesn't mean squat either (I'm only 7 min into the video, can't wait to see the actual fail). So many inspectors are useless. I did a major addition to my house. We waited for 2 weeks for the inspector to come out to check our footings. The day he comes out, it's been raining for 3 days straight. It's still raining. So he fails us for "water in the footings". No $hit sherlock.

@@cgilleybsw What state are you in?

1974jrod Totally true. It only means over priced. I use a lot of handymen one thing is they know is they do not know everything. So they research and try hard to do good work. Contractors are just always rushing through.

Very true. I had another "certified" electrical contractor call me out on two different jobs he was unable to do. First was a loose neutral that took me all of an hour to diagnose, after tracing every wire in the control panel to make a schematic of the system to work from. The second was a job where he hooked up a 3 phase generator 120/240v (has a high leg - one phase is 208 volts to ground). He didn't use a volt meter to verify where to terminate the high leg, and fried every 120v device on the service. His remark to me, was "didn't smell like a high leg". I am also a licensed wastewater operator, and could regale you for hours with horror stories of stuff I've seen other licensed operators do. In Florida, our correctional institutions have inmates learning to operate, which is a good thing, in that we are giving them a trade to hopefully stay out of prison. The problem is that we have one government employee "teaching" or "supervising" them. Most of these guys are generally bottom dwellers for license holders. My take is that we, as a society, rely on the government to "certify" someone's ability. The same institution that screws up almost everything they touch. Honestly look at the majority of public servants and see that most of them only work there because they lack the ability to maintain employment in the private sector (obviously there are exceptions to every rule so don't get your panties in a wad if you are a public servant who isn't a bottom dweller). If you truly want to get someone who knows what they are doing you need to: 1. Educate yourself on the task you are asking them to perform 2. Ask them lots of questions and if they can't answer them from your research, back away. 3. I prefer old school methods primarily because the new stuff has not been tried and tested as is demonstrated in this video. 4. Ask for references and actually follow up on them. If they are reputable, they will have no issues with you talking to their other clients. The onus on the outcome of the job is squarely on the shoulders of the person who hires them.

@@mikewhite9818 On behalf of the handyman, (not all, but many) do really good work, and often the right way, they just don't have a license, but could if they pursued their skills. I say this because I have had the contractor fail (like you mentioned- "rushing through") and the handyman come fix it and clean it up.

@Pedro Escarfullery Because most guys won't admit that they got a leak. I mean someones making all the leaks right? But no ones done one....you do the math.

@Pedro Escarfullery xD

Pedro Escarfullery shit happens lol nobodys perfect

Common sense would be not doing this type of shower in the wooden "house"

I agree

Mud and a liner done right and the house will fall down around that shower

I just removed a shower from an old house, the vinyl liner had a date of 1963 printed on it. This was the homes' original tiled shower and it was still going strong. Floated walls and floor, would have lasted decades longer. BUT....I should say that it is rare to find the original shower in a home in my City these days. People around here remod their baths like they change clothing styles. It is pointless in my market to over build....especially when the market and/or homeowner pays a painfully low price to get it done.

It's never a bad idea in any market to over build. Quality is number 1 period

Ahh valid points

Shower cabin wasnt good enough for him

I agree

I concur, that's not WEDI sealant. Plus its an improper install, you are supposed to hit each seam/joint with another thick bead of caulk and trowel it out.Probably ran out and got impatient and used whatever. WEDI sealant has incredible tenacity in sticking to the board.

I also agree that the sealant used in my Wedi shower 10 years ago was not white it was a grey color as described above. In addition to joining all joints with Wedi sealant I also know the installer applied Wedi sealant to the surface of all joints and troweled them flat.

I Agree also.

Yeah. This is the cause. Wasn't wedi sealant, plus they only did the inside bead. It pulled away from the foam side but stuck to the cement side. The install might have worked if they applied the second bead to the face and trowled it out to 3/4 inch up the wall and horizontally across pan. That caulk stuck plenty good to the cement. Surprised the wedi rep didn't catch that. I get it. That joint sealant can be $20 a tube when some exterior osi is $8. Its good enough to get you passed the inspection.

Pedro Escarfullery you might be correct

Pedro Escarfullery Sure seems that way, if there was sealant it wouldn’t just cleanly leave channel.

@Pedro Escarfullery pedro is an idiot. There was clearly sealant applied to the channel.

@@travisk5589 except it pulled away for some reason?

Isaac Ostrom I hear you.That said they must of not put sealant there or not enough

@@TileCoach I already purchased a Wedi system to install in my house and now I'm worried- does it make sense to follow the method that Alexhjthekid notes above?

@@gannonfive throw the wedi out. Or return it if you can. Use a copper, lead or rubber membrane. And run it up the walls a foot or two. Or to the top of the shower. At least high enough so you can see any cracks in the mortar if you tile. For myself I will look into marble slabs. 1 piece per wall. With a lead or copper pan and a heavy rubber liner. Even with one piece slabs run the metal or rubber up the walls a good 2 feet. It is called insurance!!! And it's often cheaper in the long run!!! Just ask the homeowner in this vid!!!

Once you tile it and use an epoxy grout on the floor, there is no flex.....hell after you tile it there just isn’t any flex in the pan or the foam curb if you go that route. I do think I might start adding mesh tape with the sikiflex caulking though

I like the pvc liner that I used on my last job and I sealed the entire porcelain shower or every grout line actually with a good product that has held up so far.

Its done quite often depending on the methods. Some products can work with either or. I wouldn’t use anything but cement board or schluters substrate

That's how he does it with the shluter i have never used the schluter but i use hardibacker. durock,wonderboard is garbage

CGTOW I’m a contractor and if anyone who tiles over drywall in the shower room, will be terminate immediately. Use waterproof go board or cement backer and waterproof Red guard, two coats

Still do it the old way with waterproof board, pvc pan liner , wire and cement on the curb. No leak in 25 years. Nowadays also use red guard for double protection and it looks good. 😏

Thats why that green board had zero damage lol if its waterproofed its same thing

Looks like 32" o.c. joists wirh 2-4-1 (1 1/8") t&g ply, so a good floor.

Corian is ugly

What is a “shower proof” install? Does that mean a shower base that works? Why not just go cast iron shower base?