Yugioh is the League of Legends of card games. Rarran pointed it out himself.

noobs complain about maxx C vets complain about Dimension shifter and droll change my mind

​@@kindklan8020pretty much everyone complains about maxx c

​@kindklan8020 Droll and Shifter are format dependent, Maxx C is ALWAYS good.

​@@ADukesJustice OCG player here and I don't complain about it. I complain when it is ashed though. 😂 We love our bug over here

@@Dandylion30 do you love having to play the bug and the counters in every deck?

Yeah. That’s how you learn.

Would be funnier if he had asked cimo. Then we could have said mbt was right.

​@@mrbubbles6468no, you dont. You dont need to go into such lenghts to start with any other game, you clown. To improve and reach a high rank? Sure, but to just learn how the game works? Nah. You guys live in copium land.

@@mrbubbles6468 an online simulator should not need extensive research and finding a youtuber to coach (most people cant easily get cimo for coaching). the simulator should be able to introduce the core of the game and get the player to understand the game with out external tools. auto online simulators should be the easiest way to introduce the game to somebody.

He asked cimo to learn Edison@@heulg.darian2536

It's the most useless innovation in modern social media.

I watched the video that farfa posted of him showing Rarran the Salad combos and holy shit trying to teach that to a new player is mega overwhelming. Twitch chat had to be trolling because that deck is not new player friendly for sure

Yep, he's a former history teacher. You can really tell he knows how to instruct properly to get ideas across. Especially on the niche things like when to hint and when to outright show.

Being a good teacher and being a good player are entirely different skills, I genuinely think that most top players would be terrible teachers for a new player

Same especially when you catch their misplays or forcing their interactions when they don't want to. It's so satisfying.

This is only true vs fair decks, navigating a Herlad, Full SHS/Rikka Endboard etc isn't fun

​@@IC-23 this is a very valid point. @Ind3xPlus I feel the same, even handtrapping in weird spots that aren't that explored (for example Ashing a Crossheep instead of the very first Mannadium field spell to bait/prevent a Baronne) while the game makes you an infinitely better player by encouraging you to try every deck to better capitalize on fundamental game knowledge (from mechanics to even archetype quirks), deck building, and analyzing strategies on the fly (chokepoints, baits etc when you read cards from the first time) This is sadly the least explored part of the game, with everyone trying to focus exclusively on grinding a single deck, particularly on tier 0/solved formats and the reason that in my opinion the "ygo players cant read" meme exists in the first place. Building a board can be as hard as reading a spreadsheet. Breaking a board (or building it properly playing around stuff) is very skill intensive and the most punishing out of the popular TCGs.

Going 2nd is really fun, except when they have floodgates Aware

Tbh this is why I love playing agaisnt Tear and Snake Eyes. Weird I know, but those dopamine of navigating through all the interaction while still having chance to play is really fun

pokemon is amazing for new players. battle acadameys can get two new players generally understanding the game with out the need for any coaching

To be fair to Josh, hearing someone talk down on something that is literally your life is always going to draw a negative emotional response. But nothing Rarren said was wrong.

Rarran himself pointed the reasons why, 1) A single misplay in Yu-Gi-Oh can lose you the game, it can be very punishing. 2) there's a lot of things you need to know to play the game at a decent level, which includes even your own deck. So as a beginner player you'll make a ton of mistakes and get suplexed into the wall because of them, which is not very fun. In any other game that has resources other than cards, there's usually not a single mistake that loses you the game like that outside of specific scenarios. So you actually get to play the game and do some stuff.

@@pedrofelipefreitas2666 other games also do better with making a lost game less of an instant lost. at the very least they are still playing a losing game

@@randomprotag9329no I can confirm getting smacked in mtg is just as miserable as getting smacked in yugioh. Difference is his skills from hearthstone are much more transferable to mtg (and basically every other card game that is more heavily based on mtg in their mechanics) than they are to yugioh so of course he’ll have an easier time learning.

This is unironically one of my biggest issues with playing other games. I still vividly remember just a couple months ago playing magic at the cardshop for a few hours and then being about to leave when some people from my yugioh locals walked in to practice for the regional and called me over to play some. Had more fun in that hour and a half playing than the 3 hours of magic before that.

@@MrPyroguy108sir were you going hard playing snake eyes? With a profile name like that I hesitate to say it 😂

@@Saixjacket You'd think so but I haven't played a fire deck in years at this point! 🤣 They were my favorite type as a kid but for the regional I was actually on Labrynth.

@@MrPyroguy108 how have you been enjoying transaction rollback?

@@Saixjacket I've really been enjoying it, it's a lot of fun. My favorite moment with it so far has been copying a R.ACE trap after I stole a hydrant with IDP. So many people are used to it getting pitched straight to the grave that they don't expect you to set it lol

Good I don’t know why internet weirdos are obessed with getting new people in so hopefully they move on from that shit finally

​@@geiseric222 New players are required for the longevity of the game. It's basic economics. People want new players because they don't want the game they love to be abandoned by Konami.

​@@geiseric222 because no new players = dead game? It's not that hard to comprehend

@@geiseric222what a dummy.

I search deck guides for Runeterra a much much easier card game than yugioh, it's just a normal gameplay loop card games have it's not really a problem with yugioh

The starter product was a TCG thing. The complaint in the meeting was not that they couldn’t get new people to play YGO. It was that they could as MD showed. But MD players did not translate to sales if real cards. Which was the complaint.

Is not "combo heavy", but I will say it is very "setup oriented". Literally the deck early on could go on "control mode" or "full gas" mode like a midrange deck. Also tbh, playing salad without stallio is ASS

Mid/low power modern yuigoh is insanely fun with friends. Couldn’t agree with you more

I think pure Swordsoul is single-handedly the best deck for new players. It's easy to play, easy to understand, cheap and it also just looks nice. What makes it the best though, is that the deck can also be flexibly upgraded with say Tenyi cards, as the player gets more experienced with the game. It's a deck that can grow alongside you extremely well.

when a control deck is too combo heavy. it shows the need for a learning format.

Mid/low power modern yugioh is the most fun you can have with this game. Sad that there isn't really an actual format that represents that.

Same.. watching a few videos and testing by myself is more than enough.

I think that is true for most decks, with the exception of some combo decks. Auroradon+Halq version of Infernoble needed spreadsheets to learn how to play around any single handtrap (lines differed significantly under Droll or against Nib) or depending on the hand you drew (gotta know what to do when you drew Coltwing, or if you decided to handloop with dolphin) or the monstrosity that was Fireking Kozmo back in the day (plz God, hurt whoever designed that deck and me for having to learn it back then). There are some combo decks that cannot be just learnt like Swo or VS, aka by learning few lines and then getting experienced with it but those type of combo decks are unhealthy for the game and should not exist prob to begin with.

It litterally only takes buying 3 Structures and reading the rules. Problem is Konsmi does not tell you you need to buy 3 so ypu only buy 1…

@@mrbubbles6468 If it were that easy to teach someone, we wouldn't be having this conversation, much less having it every few months.

Getting into Yu-Gi-Oh is like getting into modern and the only deck you can use is lantern control or a atogking in commander

He said he already watched Rarran's first video so eh

They just need formats like goat and toss to be more widespread so you can work your way up more easily thankfully even as a child i played so i didn’t have to deal with this shit but you cant hop straight onto master duel without eating shit

Rarran is like Jaden and Farfa will give him a graduation duel just like Zane for proving his skill (reaching Diamond or Master). Then Josh will appear like Yami Yugi to give him the real challenge against the king of games.

@@babrad but Farfa is too nice to be Zane. Maybe bastion?

If we're sticking with sword soul pack is definitely the better teacher here. Josh is the better player and probably teacher, but a lot of the nuance josh can teach won't be as effective now compared to when he has more game knowledge. Pak is much better at the deck overall and there's nothing wrong with continuing to learn the game with a deck method. The fact raran refers to learning a deck as learning some combos instead of learning how the deck works tells you he isn't ready to make use of the one time free mentoring he'll get out of josh

Hot take, salad isnt that complicated.

It was the premier cheap deck at that time but Links can be difficult to learn conceptually compared to other summoning types.

@@LeoHeart272for a new player its definitely not the easiest deck to pick up

@@type00haken11 How? They're the most generic type of summon, every other summoning mechanic requires something (ritual/fusion spells, tuners + adding, xyz overlaying levels and pendulum having the most rules about it) but links are just "put a monster or multiple monsters that meet the requirement on field and send them to the graveyard to summon the link"

not because of links "the only part i didn't know until recently is how exceeding the link arrows works" ,it is a deck you can't just try until you figure out what works​@@type00haken11

that was kinda my experience as well, I got interested in the game again in 2017 with duel links and that didn't work out. So I was just watching dzeef, cimo and duel logs till master duel's release

You sure can lock yourself out of summoning Baronne. Ashuna locks you into Wyrms, so if you have to use Tenyis to get to your Synchro plays you have to end on Qixing.

To be fair Update Jammer does say that it will make whatever it's used to link summon attack twice. But yeah some things just come with experience, and that's fine.

magic generally helps with the issue by limiting stuff to colours so that when a player sees a colour they loosely know what to expect. also has the bonus of staples.dek being limited to highly specific 5 colour decks.

@@L_O_V_E_L_A_I_N sure but by the time Update Jammer hits the GY, you're still reading its secret effect instead of the one that actually matters that's already telegraphed the remaining 30 seconds of the duel

He's talking about entry level not competitive, and it's on point. Mainly I think because yugioh has evolved akin to entirely different game that it's so different from where it begins, whereareas other game didn't evolve that much.

Learning the basics is the easy part.....the problem is that the tutorial does not include anything about Hand Traps or how to navigate the current format. If i had to make a conparison, the tutorials and solo mode play Anime YGO. If you dropped any of us, with our decks of choice, in any season....unless plot armor happened I could trounce every yugioh protag in turn 2....and I play Generaiders, which can be extremely bricky and difficult to recover from a bad hand or bad draws

MTG is incredibly complex too. The issue is not the complexity but rather the lack of proper tutorials and god awful new player experience. When the tutorial teaches you how to play the game like it was several years ago instead of what it is now than that on its own is a massive red flag. Every other TCG learned how to slowly ease new players into the game, teaching them the core mechanics individually than combining them to actually start to play the game the way it was meant to be played. In Yu-Gi-Oh the tutorial doesn't help you at all and every card is a literal essay so you can't just look at things at a glance and intuitively have at least a basic understanding of what the card does.

in general the mechanics when in a pure form are simple enough, its just XYZ has a slight rule difference. its just playing the game that causes issuses. theres are reason why poeple are recimending old synchro formats compared to playing against modern synchron decks.

Combo Eldlich is too stronk:flipp Skilldrain

farfa bat fire king snake eyes in a match once with a 25 bucks decklist from ebay

Don't worry about it, a few snake eyes player lost to my Tistina deck. It can always be worst

Don't feel bad, I got killed by nurse burn playing Snake-eyes the other day. Lost the coin toss, they set 5, on draw phase flipped bad reactions and 2 gift cards and a paths of destiny, did 8k exactly

I was your opponent I was embarrassed for you too

This! Idk why ppl forget about it tbh. Prob gonna take a long time to get to MD level, but definitely good way to enjoy and learning yugioh step by step without getting overwhelmed quickly. I say if a compact version of world championship games exist it will definitely speed the process up. (edit: I realized it's just what you already said 😂 mb)

The thing with these games is that you're basically playing a playground deck of everything playable you can cobble together until the endgame. You don't ever really play constructed level decks unless you grind hard and buy a million packs

@@FakeHeroFang 1. It can be cheated easily and no one gonna care because it's not pvp 2. The purpose is learning the game mechanic, basic rulings, or just the game basics in general

This would be cool if there was any official way on sims to do this. Cause telling people who want to play Yu-Gi-Oh in 2024 they have to play a format they don't want to play just adds another barrier

Like i've built a decent shiranui/zombie deck and was happy to get platinum with it. But i've also wasted thousands of gems not understanding how or what to build with other decks. Trying to get into other deck playstyles is hard. It sucks when you spend so many gems to build a deck and don't even enjoy mechanics of it.

@@angeloaquinojj as far as im aware learning yugioh actually easier if you havnt played any other tcg prior, came across loads of accounts of people with yugioh as their first tcg and having an incredibly easy time grasping others tcgs after but then its the opposite if they played any other tcg prior and then tried learning yugioh because yugioh is just simply so different from every other tcg

@@YukiFubuki. Maybe that is true for other people. If I wasn't unemployed from a injury idk if I would've kept playing and trying to learn the game like I have. Probably would've dropped it.

GOAT is an utterly useless format to use to introduce people to the modern game, and TOSS is arguably worse. One is a format that bears close to zero resemblance to the modern game, and will teach absolutely nothing beyond the basic mechanics of Normal Summoning and playing Spell and Trap cards. These are all things the Master Duel tutorial teaches in 5 minutes, and are only vaguely important in the grand scheme. TOSS is a format a lot of people have nostalgia for, for reasons I will never fathom. None of the decks in TOSS are fun to play or fun to play AGAINST, and most importantly are not easy for new players to learn. Link climbing in particular is extremely unintuitive, as are the obtuse Orcust combos. Thunder Dragon is especially bad for essentially ignoring major swathes of how the game is supposed to function and forcing simplified gamestates with floodgates. The only deck in TOSS that is still relevant in the modern day is Sky Striker, but taht deck does nothing to teach how modern comboing works at all. But most importantly, TOSS format takes place under Master Rule 4. Introducing a player to rules which were never before or since used in the history of the game as their introduction to Extra Deck mechanics is beyond braindead, and will set them up for failure in jumping into the modern game even if they somehow retain a desire to play it after suffering through one of the worst nostalgic formats people have coped themselves into thinking is good. If you were to mandate a pre-modern format to learn how Extra Deck summoning works, Edison is a far more sensible choice, but the most sensible is to simply...give the player a modern deck that is relatively simple (like Swordsoul) and play a similarly relevant, but simple deck against them (like lock-less versions of Branded).

This is a terrible idea cause your telling people "hey do you want to play our card game. Start with a 20 year old format before you can try what you actually want to play which requires it's own extensive learning"

​@@RynjinivarTOSS format is liked cause the last 3 formats were formats like Gouki gunblar loops or just other formats you can't play the game. TOSS not only were the good decks making you play Yu-Gi-Oh. But there a good amount of rouge decks that can do some shit. Like prank kids obliterate thunder dragon