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Master the 'Disrespectful' Fold in Poker: When to Use It

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CrushlivePoker

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Күн бұрын

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@CrushlivePoker
@CrushlivePoker 6 ай бұрын
Have you ever heard of the "Triple Lindy" as a nickname for the rare triple check raise? Give a thumbs up if you're old enough to know about the movie Back to School.
@kcc-karenschroniccorner9432
@kcc-karenschroniccorner9432 6 ай бұрын
I’m old enough to remember but Rodney Dangerfield would have turned me off watching it.
@brianchassee
@brianchassee 6 ай бұрын
young robert downey jr in that movie as well as william “johnny lawrence” zabka
@ericwineland5844
@ericwineland5844 6 ай бұрын
Every time I see a big and tall store all I can think is tall and fat
@jambreakfast4341
@jambreakfast4341 6 ай бұрын
DOG FOOODD?!?!?!?!!!
@pokor5791
@pokor5791 6 ай бұрын
I was ON campus when it was filmed. Didn't get to see too much of the filming as I was a full-time student and worked 24 hours a week (and it was Madison WI so a lot of drinking too). They had auditions for extras as well, according to those that went, you pretty much had to be dressed like freak. Of course all the diving scenes are in CA somewhere. There are no outdoor pools on campus.
@oldterry9476
@oldterry9476 6 ай бұрын
liked the" " I'm bullshitting i didn't think of it until after the hand was over" that could be the motto for a lot of us
@Red_Cupp
@Red_Cupp Ай бұрын
I've never had clearer poker thoughts than immediately after a huge fuckup lol
@kennethchia4194
@kennethchia4194 6 ай бұрын
"He's a CLP subscriber, he's a bit of a nit" 😆
@gabrielrockman
@gabrielrockman 6 ай бұрын
I think that clubs make one of the best bluff raises on the flop. You don't just want the back door straight and flush possibliities. You also want to block trip 10s. Some of the most likely trip 10s hands are Q-10 suited, J-10 suited, 10-9 suited, and 10-8 suited. And the other players can only have these hands in clubs or diamonds. So if you have two of the following: Queen, Jack, 9, or 8 of Clubs or Diamonds, then you're blocking a lot of the trip 10s. The hero having 10-9 of clubs here shows why having a 9 of Clubs in your hand if you're bluffing this flop is a good thing, even though it means no backdoor flush possibility.
@tehblogger
@tehblogger 6 ай бұрын
Big blind played this horrendously. When you have 44 here don't get cute, you unblock all the trips, just pile money in on turn and river.
@supersmoo7377
@supersmoo7377 6 ай бұрын
This hand played like two Rodney Dangerfields playing against each other - two tight OMC nits.
@Samscoinsandheavymetal
@Samscoinsandheavymetal 3 ай бұрын
When Bart says the higher the better on the flop for bluff raising the only counter to the higher the better is you're blocking overpair holdings if you're talking QJ, that drastically reduces the over pair combos of the V you're trying to fold out
@thaThRONe
@thaThRONe 6 ай бұрын
On a side note I went to Philly this summer and did the trinity of Live, Rivers, and Parx. Rivers wasn't as nice as Live and Parx.
@stefanfekeci8288
@stefanfekeci8288 6 ай бұрын
Why are we talking about BB having overpairs on this flop? He has almost zero of the 24 combos. Maybe a couple combos of JJ
@Jermo484
@Jermo484 6 ай бұрын
Man the villain tried so hard to get the stone cold minimum.
@NorCal_Poker
@NorCal_Poker 6 ай бұрын
Nice fold! In this configuration, if I was the villain, I would’ve called the flop & lead out on the turn!
@Texasfishingfamily
@Texasfishingfamily 6 ай бұрын
this happend to me last night when I had Q 10 on a QQ9 board. Villian had pocket 99 and I lost my stack when I should have know what he was doing.
@tom-qj6uw
@tom-qj6uw 6 ай бұрын
I believe the turn is a pure check-back regardless of this particular player's style. If the check-raise on the flop was for value your T9 almost always loses against a better T or 44, if it was a bluff with 98s/77/A9... you fold out a hand that might bluff again on the river or might be good enough to be able to call a river-bet. There's not much upside to betting the turn here....
@pot_kivach160
@pot_kivach160 6 ай бұрын
7:23 why BB can't have TX here? JT, QT, 8T...?
@pontus3142
@pontus3142 6 ай бұрын
The good thing about J9s and QJs as bluff x/r on the flop is they also block a 10. BB can likely have offsuit 10s (e.g. JTo) so any backdoor flush is OK, but we still might prefer to x/r with backdoor diamonds for the extra blocking possibility.
@hansari8697
@hansari8697 6 ай бұрын
KJdd and QJdd would be the absolute best flop raises IMO even more so if the PFR was from earlier position. Blocking the suited Tx while having the back doors. In this specific spot the suits aren't as relevant bc CO open all the off suit Tx.
@jack42011
@jack42011 3 ай бұрын
nice haircut last week Bart. Looks good
@mtgoxsucks435
@mtgoxsucks435 6 ай бұрын
Loved back to school🤣 and love the reference. Maybe later nasa can do your solver work for you 🤣🤣
@noex100
@noex100 6 ай бұрын
I know the bad regs will get all pissy with this but betting that river is pure, 100% spew. The same reason you're supposed to check back that turn is the exact same reason you are supposed to check back the river. You have a mediocre hand (given the way the hand played out) and you want to get to showdown; it's the classic "way ahead or way behind" scenario. Now go ahead and tell me how GTO and solvers and all that BS says to bet this spot 43.659% of the time or whatever. I dont give a fuck- that river bet is awful beyond words.
@pot_kivach160
@pot_kivach160 6 ай бұрын
_tell me how GTO and solvers and all that BS says to bet this spot 43.659% of the time_
@thecinimod
@thecinimod 6 ай бұрын
You can get a crying call from villain's non boat pocket pairs, esp at ¼ - ⅓ pot. We bet the river not the turn because those hands will only call one extra street, not both; we want to see the river to cooler villain on 9 or case 10 (instead of getting blown off by turn c/r); people just are not c/r bluffing rivers almost ever. Some certainly will on the turn
@noex100
@noex100 6 ай бұрын
@@thecinimod Yep, there's the bad reg.
@Josh-ed3sf
@Josh-ed3sf 6 ай бұрын
I completely agree with you. you're never being called by worse on the river there. the checks from the villain. are always either Uber trappy or complete give ups.
@chungusgaming5914
@chungusgaming5914 5 ай бұрын
Hey Noex, I don’t completely disagree with what you’re saying at all. You’re right, it is super trappy, and what are they really going to show up with that you beat if they call your river bet. that’s a fair assessment on your part but there are just so many awkward/bad players in the player pool who play so poorly pre flop etc that playing a bet fold strategy even in this instance in my opinion and experience, as well as being a CLP subscriber for a couple of years can certainly play out +EV over the long run “BUT” it does take discipline because if you do bet and they make any kind of raise can you actually fold your hand even if it’s a small raise, even if you’re getting a price, can you fold? A lot of players can’t and if they can’t lay it down then just like you said it’s a “spew” but if you’re really in tune I do like a bet on the river, I would bet it most of the time then fold to any raise really.
@lewisriddle5859
@lewisriddle5859 6 ай бұрын
Lit $75 on 🔥. You had him pegged!!
@mrgolden222
@mrgolden222 5 ай бұрын
Good fold indeed
@newstandardaccount
@newstandardaccount 6 ай бұрын
I remember Negreanu talking about paired flops, and how some players are just mindlessly aggressive with them because (a) it looks strong as hell and (b) bc the board is paired, it is less likely your opponents have something that can continue. I thought about that here - if I were in the BB and had a hand like 98s with a back door straight draw and back door flush draw, AND i partially block the tens, that seems like a really good bluff check raise. Then when my opponent checks back turn I can be reasonably confident that he has a ten but not a great ten, and then try to bluff him off of it at the end. I don't know how you can fold here, but maybe that's the point - it's a low stakes exploit.
@EllieBanks333
@EllieBanks333 6 ай бұрын
I wonder how often T8 raises in this configuration? Also, if I was going to bet again here, I'd bet turn not river. Finally, I'm not sure I see bet-folding the river as being "for value". If villain was ever just "stabbing" on the flop, he is most likely folding or bluffing when we bet river. So no value there. All the "good" TX hands either call or raise. So no value there. We might split. So no value there. Villain could have the Negreanu T7 or the Brunson T2. We beat those. Do they call?
@pot_kivach160
@pot_kivach160 6 ай бұрын
I would not bet river here, either. No value. V had no drawing hand, folks! It's a no-win/lose situation. So: if I can only lose, why would I put myself in such position!...and then call someone for a shoulder for crying.
@paulmaier6305
@paulmaier6305 6 ай бұрын
GREAT MOVIE!!!
@joegillum
@joegillum 6 ай бұрын
I have trouble in these spots because I just have trouble letting trips go when an overpair is also likely. Even if I have a bad 10, by the theory of blocking it should be super rare I'm dominated. I also play in Texas where people are super bluffy to the point of insanity. It's really hard to believe them, but a spot like this is also where they stack me off and print money. Maybe I just need to let more near nutted hands go when I feel the aggression is at level 10 but I fear seeing monsters under the bed here.
@joegillum
@joegillum 6 ай бұрын
To be fair I'm on a massive downward trend so maybe I suck and this needs fixed. :)
@thecinimod
@thecinimod 6 ай бұрын
If you have a major downtrend you need to worry a lot less about being bluffed and a lot more about getting value towned. For starters, don't put more than one bet in any multiway pot post flop unless you can beat top pair.
@chungusgaming5914
@chungusgaming5914 5 ай бұрын
Hey Joe, the fact that you realize you’re in a downswing and realize that some things need fixed are characteristics a winning or someone who is on their way to be a winning player needs to have. That’s the only reason I’m taking time to respond to you, I like where you mind is at. This hand is really something to add to your poker arsenal. Once the villain checks the turn after he check raises the flop alarm bells should go off in the hero’s head and the fact the hero is blocking a 10 should now be thrown out “except” if hero is playing a maniac who bluffs too much. If it’s a halfway decent player there is a good chance they are trapping with a big hand or possibly slowing down because he has not picked up equity. Villain checks again on the river and hero rightly puts in a small value bet. I think his river sizing is fine but when the villain then raises big it’s pointing to villain having at least K-10 in my opinion. Hero only had a 9 kicker so what does he really beat? Right? He will lose to Jack 10 at this point. The villain’s trap here will work against so many in the player pool because they cannot fold trips but if you over fold here , again unless you are playing a maniac, it will be a +EV play in the long run.
@TheWonkadaddy
@TheWonkadaddy 6 ай бұрын
seems funny, but i think it's actually a pretty easy check back on the river with T9 with your nit image vs a villain that's not a mindless station. villain isn't calling with worse than trips vs your nit ass. and you lose to most Tx. it helps A LOT that villain is in the BB as far as him having worse Tx, but assuming he has even a little preflop discipline, you're still just talking about T8, T7, T5s, and T2s that you beat. That's 10 combos you beat that will pay off vs tying 3 combos of T9, and losing to 12 combos of JT, QT, KT, and also any slowplays/traps. and traps are also more likely checks vs T8 and T7 ime. a river bet by hero loses $$.
@TheMightyDoon
@TheMightyDoon 6 ай бұрын
So glad not one mention of "Youre blocking T's" cause they never block anything. They're actually "Reducers" but blocker sounds so much cooler lol. Well played and have to go for some small river value there, even though agree wit Bart that checkback river def an option because so many live players wanna be Johnny Chan and let you bet their hand for them.
@pot_kivach160
@pot_kivach160 6 ай бұрын
exactly! Good point about blockers. . How did Bart say to "check back river"?? Did you miss 12:41 point?
@TheMightyDoon
@TheMightyDoon 6 ай бұрын
I would've bet small/folded river. Listen for a min after 12:41. A common move is raising oop then ch'ing monsters. Its so obv and cheezy yet you see it all the time pf and on flop like oh i missed, plz bet for me so i can own you with a nasty c/r. Ch'ing behind owns them and why hero lost the min. @@pot_kivach160
@steveharding8965
@steveharding8965 6 ай бұрын
Good play.
@supersmoo7377
@supersmoo7377 6 ай бұрын
This hand plays like two Rodney Dangerfields playing against each other. Two tight OMC nits.
@supersmoo7377
@supersmoo7377 6 ай бұрын
Also if I was the guy with 44 I NEVER would have showed my hand.
@brandonward2187
@brandonward2187 6 ай бұрын
Rivers is in the hood in Philly watch your back when walking to your car lol
@thestanleys3235
@thestanleys3235 6 ай бұрын
This applies to every casino in every city. Also need to watch out for vehicles following you home and robbing you there.
@YouTubeaidsreal
@YouTubeaidsreal 6 ай бұрын
​ Even in canada casino is normally in a rough area. Seems like even if the casino was built in a nice area after 25 years of a casino it brings the whole area down and turns it into a shit whole which makes sense. Minus poker players their consumers are mostly tards
@pot_kivach160
@pot_kivach160 6 ай бұрын
Wonder if V raised another $75, what would H do? Fold? Call? ;o)
@Robert-tr8iw
@Robert-tr8iw 2 ай бұрын
So if I know a guy is as tight as you all say Mike is…I’d take this same line against him with air…any concern that when you have that tight an image you need to call more because folks are prone to bluff you?
@thaThRONe
@thaThRONe 6 ай бұрын
No idea why players x/r the flop then come back and check the turn. You show all that strength only to play scary on the very next street. I would have check back the river. He wouldn't have even gotten the extra 75.
@markwinchester5434
@markwinchester5434 6 ай бұрын
if you never check after check raising youre probably not check raise bluffing enough. you can also check value after check raising if the next street changes the nuts significantly
@thaThRONe
@thaThRONe 6 ай бұрын
@markwinchester5434 I said that with the understanding that the turn is a blank as is the case in this call. I understand no good players should do "anything" 100% of the time. Check raising then checking on a blank is so polarizing. It almost always a flopped monster or a bluff. Rarely is it an over pair or a mediocre draw. Even if I'm bluffing on the flop I still continue at a high frequency on a blank. Continue telling the story that I'm strong here. Which keeps you balanced so in a situation like this when you flopped a monster your opponents will know you're capable of betting with a bluff.
@markwinchester5434
@markwinchester5434 6 ай бұрын
@@thaThRONe yeah, but even on a turn blank you need to find checks with some of your flop bluffs in order to keep a reasonable bluff-value ratio when you arrive on the river. Double barreling with every flop bluff will mean youre massively overbluffing (or having to give up a ton of rivers) and makes it easy for thinking players to call down. Youre definitely right that average (bad) player isnt check-raising flop enough at all, so they dont have a protected turn check back range because theyre missing overpairs and such that can check-call down and so their turn checks are polarized
@pot_kivach160
@pot_kivach160 6 ай бұрын
checking turn is a good play...makes a fish believe you were bluffing on flop. Just see end result. (H said he bet $75 *_only_* (?))
@stevenxu5747
@stevenxu5747 5 ай бұрын
This guy has a New York accent. Is he actually from New York, but he's visiting Philadelphia?
@relaxationmeditationsleep2934
@relaxationmeditationsleep2934 6 ай бұрын
"The table knows I have a T". So, does that mean that you fold AA on the flop when someone raises???
@EllieBanks333
@EllieBanks333 6 ай бұрын
Why would anyone ever fold AA? You just put all your chips in & hope they don't get cracked. When they do you just call it a bad beat & re-buy.
@supersmoo7377
@supersmoo7377 6 ай бұрын
Caller says that when he double-flat calls the flop that all the players knows he has a Ten there - if that’s the case, then you’re playing this game wrongly. You’re way too transparent. You must have lines in which people don’t know if you’re going to show up as strong or weak.
@supersmoo7377
@supersmoo7377 6 ай бұрын
You need to call the flop check-raise with hands like 77, 88, 99, J9 suited. AJ offsuit. Etc. you can’t just always be super-nutted when you call there or are too easy to exploit. You need to 3bet pre flop with hands like this one, Lower suited connectors, Pocket pairs, and more. It sounds like you’d be easy to play against, caller.
@chatpro5
@chatpro5 6 ай бұрын
he sounds like Garrett
@kevin.9625
@kevin.9625 6 ай бұрын
Guy got min
@drewferguson8324
@drewferguson8324 3 ай бұрын
BART doesn’t know the movie???? #unsubscribe
@MrDinocizmic
@MrDinocizmic 4 ай бұрын
This guy thinks he solved poker, cool brag and terrible play
@traviscoates6878
@traviscoates6878 6 ай бұрын
Two garbage plays👎🏿
@user-gd8bx9gc4g
@user-gd8bx9gc4g 6 ай бұрын
@realpayton2 🔥🔥
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