Ironically though he disliked Mav a lot when they were younger because he was a trouble maker. But Iceman would end up bailing him all the time. Mav really found a true friend in Iceman

@@Ironheart73 your right they were once rivals and Iceman thought Maverick was reckless and that thought too much of himself. iceman said in original to Maverick you’re dangerous and foolish, worse then the enemy. It’s good to see them in sequel have a close friendship like brothers and respect each other. They know they are the last among the breed of their generation as Naval Aviators is concerned.

​@@scottknode898well said.

Nice observations! I guess thats why Maverick became a test pilot while Iceman became a commander. It suited their personalities so well.

Very well said.

Well though and written. Tom Cruise is my role model as well as Slyvester.

I absolutely agree. Same way you consider how some generals in history tended to be used by a country during a time of war. Just as a example: You had General Patton & Omar Bradley who never ever liked each other in WWII, BUT both realized that they owed much of their respective success to the other. Historian Blumenson characterized their relationship as “World War II's Odd Couple.” He was undoubtedly correct, for neither commander liked the other, but grew to respect their abilities. During the Sicily campign, Bradley became Eisenhower’s most valued subordinate. From Normandy to the German border, Eisenhower had nothing but praise for Bradley and Patton. However, Bradley was Ike's preferred choice to keep cohesion on the front lines. Bradley, ever cautious but utterly dependable in Ike’s opinion, directed the American portion of Ike’s broad front advance to the German frontier. Bradley considered Patton profane, vulgar, too independent, and not a team player. For his part, Patton thought Bradley was overly cautious, indecisive at critical moments, and lacking the resolve to follow through when the operational opportunity presented itself. The German counteroffensive in the Ardennes on December 16 produced Bradley’s worst moment and Patton’s most brilliant campaign during a critical crisis. The Battle of the Bugle was almost a impossible situation given how weather/road conditions were terrible, and the need to aid the 101st Airborne before the Germans took the town were paramount to Eisenhower. Both men's strategies had their pros & cons, but the Germans even after D-Day still considered Patton the Allies best general & a much deeper threat than Bradley given his bold & aggressive skillset (similar to Erwin Rommel & maybe how the Navy views Maverick). Ike just needed to pick the right moments to ulitize Patton's skills on the battlefield while maintaining Bradley's balanced & reliable approach. A trait that was still 97% the backbone of most Allied generals during that time (particularity the British). It's a shame that both men didn't have enough time to find a way to mend their rivalry after Patton's car accident in late 1945. At least we all can appreciate that both Ice & Mav found the time to acknowledge their relationship/friendly rivalry before Ice's passing.

Well said

Yeah and even more when you know that Tom Cruise at first didn't wanted to film Top Gun 2 unless they include Val Kilmer in the movie which was not originaly planned

@@_xSneaXx_ Tom Cruise was the one who wanted Kilmer included in the sequel and demanded have him return as the Director didn’t too many of the original cast members or characters in sequel.

DEEP!

Tom said he wasn’t gonna do this movie if Val wasn’t in it

@@silkdragon504 Really? Outstanding! Tom goes up again IMHO. Now he can sleep better I’m sure! 😂

Tom fought to get Val in this movie

I agree 100%!

Very well put, miss the 80's here as well...

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Agree too.

Great comment my friend, thankyou.

I teared up a little and during Icemans funeral. Everyone laughed in the theater though after Iceman asked who is the better Pilot and Maverick said let’s not ruin the moment

viper told maverick that since top gun 1.

I thought Mav let go when he threw Goose's dog tags into the ocean.

@@dalethelander3781 some cuts run too deep. They grow skin over and look healed but keep bleeding underneath.

@@cnoto4466 Tell me about it... 😣

Heck, the rescue swimmer in the first film warned us to that effect.

It was a privilege. Nothing beats Tom Cruises ego breezing in a destroying every scene. "Lets go to Mach 10", "Nah lets make it 20, just because I can. And when i get back I'll fuck the lot of you - girls and guys" Top Gun class looks aghast. And, scene.

as viper said in Top gun 1, in a war you want someone like maverick as your wing man.

@@cosmeticscameo8277 Iceman disliked Maverick because he was too much of a cowboy and would always get into trouble. Ironically, he would also be the one who would keep bailing him out of trouble throughout his entire career

@@Ironheart73 I don't remember Maverick ever getting into any trouble. In fact, he was a bit of a pansy. When he was in the bar after Goose died, he was drinking ice water instead of getting hammered.

@@russelllangworthy8855 lol

@@russelllangworthy8855then need to the original again and sequel as he his Superior Stinger in original brings up his reports of losing his qualifications as section leader 3 times ,high speed fly bys over 5 air control towers along with his relationship with admirals daughter Penny Benjamin and he did two more shown onscreen and the one almost got him kicked out of Top Gun besides following Jester below the hard deck by Commander Viper. Maverick was in trouble in sequel to but only was saved by Iceman who as an Admiral fought to keep Maverick when Admiral Cyclone wanted to take Maverick out of the Navy and ground him from flying.

FYI.....The character "Warlock" (Commander of NAWDC) was with "Iceman" & "Maverick" in the 1st T.G. They all trained & graduated together and were there for the skirmish in the Indian Ocean/ Straights of Harmouz. The character "Warlock" is an O.G and was like "Bob"(as far as technical prowess) and "Viper" (cool, level headed, lenient at times, understanding, works AROUND the book & only 2nd to "Maverick" in skills).

FYI.....The character "Warlock" (Commander of NAWDC) was with "Iceman" & "Maverick" in the 1st T.G. They all trained & graduated together and were there for the skirmish in the Indian Ocean/ Straights of Harmouz. The character "Warlock" is an O.G and was like "Bob"(as far as technical prowess) and "Viper" (cool, level headed, lenient at times, understanding, works AROUND the book & only 2nd to "Maverick" in skills).

Wow, that's a good point! 👍

@@abrahamgustavoguitiperez-m2937 the character Warlock wasn’t in Top Gun or mentioned the character in Top Gun was Sundown played by Clarence Gilyard Jr who in the Top Gun program with Maverick and Goose. Although Warlock could have been in Top Gun program originally with Maverick but he wasn’t mentioned in first film.

actually no maverick is like one of those men out of time type of deals. even by the 1980s the navy was pretty much over regulated lot of red tape bureaucracy. maverick is like a ww2 fighter pilot in the 1980s.

@@cosmeticscameo8277 Baa Baa Blacksheep, a group of misfits and oddballs that became the terror of the Pacific. There's textbook and there's real world get the job done any way you can. Whatever works, use it.

To an extent for sure. Not everything out of the box is good for a team though in this case Maverick certainly was.

As I understand it, his voice in this scene is part-altered, part ADR by his son.

Kilmer's voice was recreated with his son's coupled with previous recordings of his voice.

@@tonybaihao4178 Joseph Kosinski said they did record Val's actual voice for his lines. They only used samples from the recordings of his son and previous performances to make his voice clearer and easier to understand.

Kilmer had a good Batman voice as well. Unfortunate that after 'Batman Forever', he didn't get another film to prove his mettle.

Val has throat cancer

@@rockwellrhodes7703 *quotes need to BE more succinct. Since we're just correcting and all. Lmao for real though good pick up, that actually is a pretty important difference in terms.

iceman wins. 4 star admiral and CINCPAC... shoot that beats being a test pilot O6. :D

He's the last movie star...able to bring out these moments and to make such dedications resonate with emotion but also be classy enough not to feel cheap or manipualtive or performative. He's the last person in Hollywood who has the presence to make a sequel better than the original. He's the last actor in Hollywood who can still get millions of fans to see his work by his name alone, needing nothing else except maybe the title of the film. Val Kilmer is great, too, and it's nice to see Cruise the movie star pay tribute to Kilmer even as Cruise the EP pays tribute to Iceman an Cruise the actor has Maverick pay tribute to his one-time rival, long-time friend, and protector Iceman. A great, layered, and beautiful scene that I think only Cruise could pull off these days without having his sincerity at any level questioned.

True. He's the male version of Meryl Streep.

You should have watched the first movie before seeing the sequel.

@@patrickworkman1014 that's exactly what I did. I made sure to watch the original before watching this. This scene even hits harder after watching the first movie. And overall this sequel made sure to both honor the original and be its own movie.

You should see the first movie and watch the sequel again. the original Top Gun from 1986 is a classic as Tom Cruise and Val Kilmer shared numerous scenes together in original as rivals.

That would have been hilarious.

They were basically family here. Great scene