Mavericks: The Amateur Scientist VS Science

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Ай бұрын

In this short talk by Steve Etches, he discusses the role of the amateur in palaeontology. Hear from Steve as he talks through his lived experiences as an amateur and where he sits in regard to the scientific ‘establishment’.
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@keithallen7443 Ай бұрын

Here, here...for most of us "amateurs" we love the whole thing, understanding the field, the thrill of the find and bringing it to "life" with the prep ❤

@Paleos1000 8 күн бұрын

I have a friend who is an academic in the field of paleontology. He and I liaise regularly. I make sure I record as much information I can in the field (GPS coordinates etc.) I will take anything interesting to him, and he knows that anything in my collection is available to him or his colleagues for research. I have also donated scientifically important finds to the University collection. He makes the point that university and museum staff cannot be out hunting all the time, and the work of 'amateurs' in concert with professionals is a win-win situation. All power to your arm Steve.

@dan_folkes_real_palaeontology Ай бұрын

100% agree here Steve. I'm currently doing my master's thesis in Palaeontology, and am glad to say that those I know acknowledge the important work of collectors. Palaeontology would not be where it is without the wealth of information from fossil collectors, and I reckon this sentiment is shared with most my age!

@TheEtchesCollection Ай бұрын

We have noticed that attitudes are starting to change and we understand why there is proceedures but through Steve's experiences it has become apparent that there is a long way to go towards appreciating and monopolising the efforts of those outside academia. The sheer amount of new to science and unique specimens that will never be studied or will be lost is a real shame and we can only hope that as times progress that palaeontology can become a truly accessible and forward thinking science where all valuable contributions can be acted upon for the benefit of science.

@outdoorsy01 Ай бұрын

Very good video. Casey here from UFCAH. Agree with everything you said and fascinating to hear from you. Brilliant video

@ThelastCelticForest914 Ай бұрын

I remember a young Cambridge Professor lecturing on Avian genetics, at my local Avicultural Society, where many members were amateurs who had been breeding birds for 60 or 70 years. It was like a lamb to the slaughter. Her naivety made me cringe at times. Steve is not just an expert in his own right, but an inspiration to many too.

@TheEtchesCollection Ай бұрын

Thank you, it's a shame that it happens as often as it does, as Steve describes it, we are often after the same goal and each approach can be as valuable as the other. The hyper focused experts tell the world details that would otherwise never be known and this is amazing; but it shouldn't necessarily come at a cost where scientific resource like the collections and efforts of those outside academia is often dismissed.

@janetschmitt4221 Ай бұрын

Simply put… Steve knows. This is an honest excellent post! 15:03

@fossilsoft Ай бұрын

I think that this applies to a lot of fields not just fossil collecting Steve, it all boils down to if you do not do it our way you are wrong and we will not entertain you...

@TheEtchesCollection Ай бұрын

It is a shame when this is the case and our hope is that with Steve's collection and the contributions of those outside academia that they can be truly valued. With the accessibility to new technologies, i.e preparatory tools, and the increase in uptake in the subject; the amount of scientificaly valuable material is increasing and this can only be of benefit in this science.

@1000000trs Ай бұрын

Well said Steve. This is a very interesting area. While there's some respect and cooperation, it would be good to see more of the same kind of mutual respect emerging as there is between careful metal detectorosts and archaeologists. I think you said it, (but it might have got lost in the editing), that while some academics have exactly attitude you describe, others are completely 100% on board with what your saying.

@karenashworth5743 Ай бұрын

I thoroughly agree with you Steve ! Been collecting myself for over 50 years and have struggled to get access to relevant papers despite the fact that I attended University and have taught Science for over 40 years. The arrogance of the so called academics can sometimes be annoying and frustrating. What gives them the right to act so superior? Yes, I would have loved to pursue Palaeontology as a career, but it wasnt financially viable for me or my family. It hasnt stopped me from collecting though !

@Jacob.d147 26 күн бұрын

Really enjoyed listening to this, Ive started fossil hunting around 6 months ago or so, ive always collected stones and crystals enjoy foraging etc, but have really been dedicating alot of time to fossils been going to charmouth v regularly, and the amount ive imporved and learned is unbelievable, thanks to other hunters and trail and error. All this would of been impossible thru reading about it, im not academically inclined really so would really struggle. Im now a confident hunter always learning and improving. From not knowing what pyrite is to at the weekend Finding ich tooth and humrus bone also lovely pyrite ammonite multi piece. Saw your tent at fossil festival will have to come to Kimmeridge soon. Happy hunting.

@TheEtchesCollection 24 күн бұрын

It's amazing how quickly you can pick up knowledge when you are passionate about a subject like this. We are glad you are having such a great time exploring charmouth and the wonders it has to offer.

@Jacob.d147 24 күн бұрын

@@TheEtchesCollection thank you. 🦕 ♥