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It doesn't bother ME... but one of my friends goes crazy when he hears someone say the word 'LESS' when they should be saying 'FEWER' . It's not 'less cores'. It's 'fewer cores'. That's because it's a countable item. For everything else, you can say 'less'. Could my comments be FEWER irritating? No. But they could perhaps be LESS irritating? YES!!!

Max is so funny. Always trying to find drama and generate excitement regarding benchmarks. I value the testing though!

no point to replace M3 if you have M1 in your hand

Surprising results! Still very happy with my m1 pro mac power and efficiency. Thankyou max tech for all these comparisons!!

As someone coming from Intel, I will definetely buy the M3 Pro. Thanks for the video

Huh, that's why I like watching videos with tear downs in them. Had no idea about the larger heat block on the M3 models. That's good to know, will never complain about improved thermals.

Thanks for including Logic in your test! As a music producer i´m always happy to see those getting tested as well. 😃 Quiet shocking to see an older Macbook outperforming a new one. 😯 Planning on getting the M3 Max, that should outperform the M2 Max (hopefully).

I would love to see you put the 11/14 M3 Pro vs the 12/18 M3 Pro. For the minimal cost in upgrading it would be great to see if it’s worth it.

I'd like to see comparisons against the M1 Pro. I don't see people upgrading from M2, but rather M1 which I think is one reason why Apple kept comparing M3 to M1 in the Keynote. Maybe even compare to the last gen Intel MacBook Pros as well. These would be much better comparisons. If someone upgrades from an M2 they were gonna do it regardless of the performance because they're ones who just have to have the latest tech at all times.

A new chip with less cores and less memory bandwidth and still beating the M2 Pro means MORE efficient cores on less power.. That's no downgrade my dear Watson. That is a HUGE improvement.

I think there’s another reason why the M3 Pro has been changed so radically. I believe this chip is destined for the new iPad Pros to differentiate the IPad Pros from the Airs, which will only get the M3. iPads need more efficient chips and have worse thermals, so they can’t have too many performance cores, nor too many graphics cores. This chip ssems to be designed for power savings, something an iPad needs. The prices of the Pro and Max are too different for this to be an upsell only. Few people will spend an extra $1100 to go from a Pro to Max if they had been in the market for a Pro to begin with.

Pleased with my binned M3 Pro on my 14" MacBook Pro. From the 8/7 base M1 on my Air it's a massive step up.

Reducing memory bandwidth (that they were so proud of when they introduced it in previous chips) is the biggest blow. But I get it. Probably just a tiny fraction of both users and developers that even make use of that insane bandwidth. I see the M3 as a first generation 3nm product, which they will learn a lot from. I expect big refinements in M4. And as Vision Pro rolls out, we have a new target platform for low power, low heat, max performance. Should motivate them to be on top of the game.

I’ll be upgrading from a m1 air to a m3 pro. The promotion and redesign will keep me with the m3 for years and years

3:20 "M3 Pro can no longer get 8TB of RAM" 💀

I had a feeling this might be the case. The engineers know what they are doing, and I think they struck a real sweet spot between power and efficiency with this model.

For Lightroom classic, exporting is typically not a big deal as part of the end of a workflow. However, the denoise function done in the middle of the workflow can bring a system down to it's knees. Would love to see that test.

5:48 For one, Apple doesn't advertize clock speeds. The max clock speed benchmark apps report is only for 1 core, and it's expected behavior for chips to have a little bit lower all-core max frequency. If you're not seeing the 4GHz speed on the graph, it could be due to 2 reasons: 1. The cooling can't sustain 4GHz on a single core due to the density of the heat on one core and therefore you'll only see it in even shorter workloads than Geekbench, 2. If the M3 is briefly boosting to 4GHz on Geekbench, the sampling rate of the frequency graph might not be high enough to detect that.

Great review! There isn't much incentive for M2 Pro owners to upgrade to the M3 Pro of course but I'd say the improvements are substantial enough to discard the "M3 Pro is a dud" nonsense, especially once you also factor in ~20% better battery life and lower surface temps. People upgrading from Intel will be very happy. I just wish they'd offer more than 36 GB of RAM without requiring an M3 Max.

just bought brand new m1max 14" 64gb ram and 2tb ssd for $2500. m3 max is not mind blowing to me since m1max is still one of the best laptops out there for ux/ui designers and no need to spend over $4k for that "extra" performance. very happy with my purchase

I think it's funny they removed extra ram pads to prevent Dosdude from developing a cheap ram upgrade method.

Even MKBHD did not see the point to upgrade from M1...

Max, please do a battery comparison between M3,M3 Pro,M3 Max!

I’d love to see a comparison between the M3 Pro 12/18 and the M3 Max 14/30. I want to know if it’s worth it to spend the extra money or not.

I've said this in the past when the M1 Pro came with only 2 efficiency cores. On my M1 Pro, it's just the 2 efficiency cores doing the work most of the time. The performance cores fire up when I'm launching a program or when I'm running Windows but I think that I'd be fine with just more efficiency cores. Intel has certainly gone big on big-little and it's a reasonable approach to get more efficiency. The improvements are not enough to get me to upgrade though as the M1 Pro more than meets my CPU/GPU requirements and battery life is good enough for my production load. I look forward to further improvements in M4 and M5. Thanks for the performance analysis work. I'm following this series to see what they did.

I suspect that the M3 having fewer cores in the M3 Pro vs M2 Pro had to do with yield on the new 3nm process, not meant to be a slight to make the M3 Max look better. Still a shame. Seems the power efficiency gain is greater than the performance loss.

As someone who took delivery of a new 14-inch M2 pro on September 29 (upgrading from a 2014 MacBook Air); this new M3 family of MacBook Pros has been an unexpected and interesting release (lol). It seems as though apple silicon has bought the mac out of it's slumber, and back onto the 'noticeable improvements every year' bandwagon that iPhones and iPads have experienced since 2010. This is good. Anytime someone needs a new mac, apple will now have good products on offer that will comfortably run the latest software for years to come. We'll just have to get used to apple's regular 'tick, tick, tick' of noticeable and iterative improvements that the mac, honestly, hasn't seen for years.

Used/refurbished/stay-with a MBP 14” M1 base model. Best deal for performance/value if you can wait a minute or two😉 Especially if you are in a non-USA country where US$ has made any new MAC crazy priced. I use my MBP M1 for basic work, photo/video editing (no 3D rendering) and it still is fast enough, and has the ports, beautiful display (w/ VIVID app for more nits if needed), battery lasts a day out if needed, and I can’t understand the new color hype except ‘Space Black is the new Space Gray.’

For battery comparison: Is the M2 Pro brand new out-of-the-box like the M3 Pro for this comparison? If not, I believe a disclaimer should be made regarding how many months of recharging are on the M2 Pro's life at time of recording

Imagine shelling out another thousand dollars after waiting a couple of years for the next best machine, so your stuff runs in 9 seconds instead of 10 seconds. Well done, human race

I've got a M1 Pro MacBook Pro with 32GB RAM and a 1TB SSD and it's still fast enough for compiling applications and such. Not gonna upgrade to a M3 for a couple percent more performance/efficiency.

It seems these days "professionals" are never happy. Which is a shame because there is so much joy to be found in feeling happy. Apple would be foolish not to increase the performance.

And for $200 more, I think the M3 Pro with 12-Core CPU and 18-Core GPU is going to be a killer machine, specially when it comes out into the Mac Mini 😍

We need a M3 Pro vs M1 Pro also! Either both binned or non-binned!

The only main highlight in this video is that you're not gonna miss out unless you want that black colour.

Great video. So pleased with your results. Some reviewers were quick to say the M3 pro was a 'dud' (i.e no better than M2 pro) but you have shown how good it is. Do you think the 16" M3 pro would be much different, maybe thermally better? I upgraded from 2019 Intel MBP so M3 pro MBP is 300% faster on Geekbench score.

Thank you, I was waiting for this review!

Which configuration of the M3 Pro Macbook Pro is this? They offer an 11cpu/14gpu and a 12cpu/18gpu core version. $1999 vs $2399. How do those compare?

I come from a 2019 Macbook Pro 16inch with the strongest i7 and graphics card back then. I can now plug this pc to a monitor without the fans kicking in. I did literally nothing and just let it plugged into my monitor and the machine was running hot after time. On two monitors the fan kicked in so fast.

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🤖 *Introduction and Design Review of M3 Pro MacBook* - Initial impressions of the M3 Pro MacBook's design and color. - Comparison with the M2 Pro MacBook Pro's design and color. 01:08 💡 *Display and Speaker Comparison* - M3 Pro MacBook's display brightness compared to M2 Pro. - Comparison of speaker quality between M3 Pro and M2 Pro MacBooks. 01:57 🎥 *Webcam and Microphone Analysis* - Testing and comparing the webcam and microphone quality of M3 Pro and M2 Pro MacBooks. 02:25 🔧 *Internal Hardware Comparison* - Examination of internal components like heat blocks and memory chips. - Differences in thermal dissipation and memory channels between M3 Pro and M2 Pro. 03:32 🔋 *Battery Life and SSD Performance Test* - Testing battery life during various tasks. - SSD speed comparison between M3 Pro and M2 Pro MacBooks. 04:42 💻 *Geekbench Performance and Chip Analysis* - Analysis of Geekbench performance scores. - Comparison of transistor counts and RAM configurations in M3 Pro vs M2 Pro. 05:39 ⚙️ *CPU and GPU Performance Tests* - Testing and comparing CPU and GPU performances. - Differences in core counts and power usage between M3 Pro and M2 Pro. 07:03 🎮 *Gaming and Compute Task Performance* - Assessment of gaming performance and general compute tasks. - Comparison of graphics performance in M3 Pro and M2 Pro. 08:09 🖥️ *Web-Based Application Performance Test* - Testing performance using web-based applications. - Exporting high-resolution layers and comparing speeds. 09:20 🎵 *Logic Pro Music Production Analysis* - Analyzing performance in Logic Pro. - Comparison of track handling capabilities in M3 Pro and M2 Pro. 10:57 🌡️ *Cinebench Thermal Performance Test* - Testing CPU performanceand thermal management using Cinebench. - Comparison of temperature and fan speed between M3 Pro and M2 Pro. 13:15 📸 *Lightroom Photo Editing Performance* - Evaluation of photo editing performance in Adobe Lightroom. - Speed comparison of batch photo exports between M3 Pro and M2 Pro. 14:25 🎨 *Blender 3D Rendering and GPU Benchmark* - Testing 3D rendering performance in Blender. - GPU benchmark comparison between M3 Pro and M2 Pro. 15:45 🎬 *Final Cut Video Editing Performance* - Assessing video editing capabilities in Final Cut. - Time comparison for exporting projects in M3 Pro and M2 Pro. 17:05 ⏱️ *Overall Battery Life and Performance Conclusion* - Final assessment of battery life in real-world usage. - Overall performance comparison and recommendation for M3 Pro vs M2 Pro. Made with HARPA AI

For lightroom, creating previews is the thing that takes the most time. That would be a really useful, real world benchmark for photographers, and used far more than exporting. Otherwise some great comparisons. Thanks

It should be mandatory to start videos with "We Were Wrong" in the title with the Spider Man 3 scene, where this police chief/captain explains to Peter and his Aunt, they blamed the wrong guy for Uncle Bens murder.

Next time use the same background in case that could have had the M2 burn more battery with the colorful wallpaper.

look forward to see a solid benchmark of M3 Max 16" compared M1 Max and/or M2 Max^^ (gaming too)

Your testing is always super informative. Thanks!

So far as the speakers, they need time to break in. It’s a fact that speakers sound better after months of use.

I pulled the plug for M3P and glad that this is my machine... space black color is amazing.

For making the battery comparison fair, you should have used the same wallpapers on both machines. The dark one on the M3 Pro MBP should be much more power saving on the miniLED display 😊

It seems like all reviewers make the We were WRONG video nowadays🤣😂😂

This high schooler comparison video is impressive; I am sure MIT and Apple Engineers would be shocked by your findings.

Was the m2 been used before? My m1pro had a dramatic decrease in battery life, so maybe this is the case here too

Thanks for including Figma in your test! 👍🧑‍💻

Was waiting for that comparison and really skeptical about all that criticism before even testing it. Respect for the “We were wrong”!

Ahora la pregunta es: cual recomiendas entre el MACBOOK AIR M2 o MACBOOK PRO M3 ?? Tengo un macbook pro mid 2012 y ya está un poco lento (a pesar que tiene mejoras de SSD y RAM)... Saludos

@MaxTechOfficial - what happened to Xcode benchmarks?

The difference is even smaller between them if you compare 12 core vs 12 core instead of 10 core vs 11 core. M2 pro 12 core /19 core 16gb/1tb is the best value tbh

They intentionally reduced the number of cores because it was too fast😂

I’d like to see a comparison between the binned M1 Pro vs binned M3 Pro. Also M3 Pro vs M3 Max, which I assume is coming soon. Most people upgrading are coming from M1 or older, so the comparison to M2 is incremental at best.

Such an engaging review. Max is it worth upgrading from the M1 macbook pro base model and what would you recommend. thanks

So as long as you have software that can take advantage of hardware raytracing, the Pro is a complete beast compared to its predecessor. If not then it's a lot closer.

I can see the M3 Pro not being worth it if you have an M2 pro or even M1 pro for some people, but as I'm going to be coming from an intel i5 macbook pro i think the M3 will be well worth the money, even if its just for the color alone haha

The DAW performance issues aren't limited to Logic. ProTools and Studio One also appear to not use E cores. Reaper and Cubase use both P/E cores and are very close in performance. I am on an M1 max, so it is much less of an issue as it's 8/2 P/E. For those with a 50/50 split, it's really unfortunate.

Hello former France!!! great review, like all your job. just a question, may be the battery difference is because you use the m2 pro since January, and it s a little more tired...?

Where can I get the Logic Pro benchmark to test for myself?

As with the 16" M1 Max MBP (which I own), your Mic test reveals the audio to be rather muffled. It's lacking in Loudness versus your regular Mic, as it is versus my own Lav Mic. I am always left wondering why that is. Is it some kind of noise reduction Apple is using? It makes it hard to record the screen on my MBP while talking into the MBP's Mics and later integrating that audio seamlessly into a video I am editing in FCPX, where most of the audio was shot using my LAV mic. Even after boosting the Gain and adding Loudness, the MBP audio still doesn't sound anywhere close to the Loudness and clarity of my regular LAV mic. What are your thoughts about that?

Coming from intel(mostly music production), i was basically forced to get the m3max..or get a m2 pro.

The wall paper on M3 pro is predominantly black so it might save battery.

apple calculated that the TSMC N3B node would be better than it turned out, so now apple is in a precarious situation MacBook Pro M3 has fewer transistors than MacBook Pro M2 less bandwidth, fewer ports, fewer fans which causes problems with heat development so that the cpu throttles to mention some changes for the worse for the M3 chip externally, Apple made no changes to the MacBook Pro 2023 also MacBook Pro and Air need a major overhaul, the last one I think was in 2019 The I Mac also need a major overhaul that it still uses a lightning cable for the accessories, this says something about how often Apple updates M2 Pro has 40 billion transistors, 200GB/s bandwidth M3 pro has 37 billion transistors 150GB/s of bandwidth Not the increase transistor density by about 33% compared to 5 nm TSMC states you should get from 5 nm to 3 nm "according to TSMC has stated that its 3 nm chips will reduce power consumption by 25-30% at the same speed, increase speed by 10-15% at the same amount of power and increase transistor density by about 33% compared to its previous 5 nm" but it didn't happen with the N3B node and it affected the M3 for TSMC N3B is not good but apple had no choice but to use this fuse.wikichip.org/news/7375/tsmc-n3-and-challenges-ahead/? the 3 nm node apple uses is far from fully developed so the TSMC N3B node is not much better than the M2 node which is based TSMC N5P even if apple wants the consumer to believe it and try to get customers to buy products based on TSMC N3B just because these are manufactured on 3nm but an unfinished one with a bad prestandard that new nodes have problems is nothing new just look at Intel That the N3B node had problems you could already see on the A17 pro chip, it doesn't come close to what TSMC states that the 3 nano meter node should be able to achieve neither in energy efficiency nor in performance and Apple's M3 chip is based on the A17 pro architecture Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx Gen 4 which, according to tests, has the same or better capacity than Apple's M2 chip those who developed the Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx Gen 4 are all former managers of apple's groundbreaking M chip but they got tired of apple's management Qualcomm Snapdragon is based on TSMC N4 nodes which are now well proven and have good yield as it stands now the TSMC N4 node is no worse than the TSMC N3B node so Qualcomm's new Snapdragon using TSMC N4 is logical apple took a chance and jumped on the N3 node too early with the consequence that this performs worse than what a 3nm node should do according to TSMC and what apple hoped for TSMC N3B has a very bad yield rate of just 55%, far below the standard which makes this extremely expensive to manufacture now Apple only paying for qualified circuits TSMC pay the rest TSMC sees it as a development cost to get a working 3 nm production with a reasonable yield rate technode.com/2023/07/17/tsmcs-3nm-yield-rate-reportedly-just-55-with-apple-only-paying-for-qualified-circuits/ when TSMC has better control of 3nm manufacturing and better yield, which TSMC will probably get with the N3P node that TSMC expects to come out in 2024 i had waited until apple release the M4 or the M5 chip before i had upgraded to a new apple MacBook Pro and kept my M1 M2 I MacBook Pro these are enough for 99% of all users there are too few advantages to upgrade to an M3 machine at the price apple wants I'll end with something funny kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eMt4ppyWrODXcmw.htmlsi=QzTT4Jv2Aer3L7uE

A common theme for the gpu, is that it is generally slower in rasterization and compute tasks, but faster in RT workloads, if you test games, gfx bench, UE5, the M3 pro is in unfortunately general slower. Kind of a sidegrade this generation as the base M2 Pro was never slower than the full M1 pro. But if your workload revolves around RT then it’s a no brainer

This is what happens when an accountant and a marketing manager decide on the specifications of a new product.

Finally a decent enough review about things that actually matter and not just clickbait nonesense

I really enjoy your videos. This one was very interesting, especially the detailed comparison between the M2 Pro and M3 Pro. It was really helpful to learn about their temperature and battery life, as I was curious about that. Could you please compare the M2 Max and M3 Max next? I'm looking forward to it.

6:51 I think the Metal Compute score is worse on M3 Pro because these are the base models. Base M2 Pro / M3 Pro have 16 and 14 GPU cores respectively, so it's a 12.5% reduction in core count for M3 Pro, which is a lot. If you get the fully maxed out M2 Pro / M3 Pro instead, they have 19 and 18 cores respectively (only 5.3% reduction in core count in M3 Pro), and from other benchmarks I have seen (e.g. from Ars Technica) I think the maxed out M3 Pro still produces better Geekbench Metal score, as each M3 GPU core is faster than the M2 ones. 8:20 The GPU performance improvement in M3 probably isn't due to ray tracing, as the Wild Life Extreme test you are doing doesn't use it I think (this way you get apples-to-apples comparison). It's probably due to generally more efficient GPU especially with the Dynamic Caching feature which allows apps/games to more fully utilize the hardware.

Why you are not doing Xcode benchmarks?

M3 Pro is the perfect system for a guy like me who just went in the apple mac eco system. The base m3 pro is good because it balances performance and price. It doesn't make sense to buy any other for the use case

After not wanting to jump onto the new M1 and dismissing the M2 as an M1.5, I finally jumped in on the M3 w/ a MacBook Pro 14” base M3 w/ 16GB RAM and 1TB storage, which I’ll get to check out next week.

Great comparison! I hope the M3 Logic Pro performance can be fixed with a software update. Would it be possible for you guys to add Xcode and Unreal Engine to your comparison test plan for the M3Max?

Results differ by 1 point. Max instantly: “The difference is SHOCKING” 😂

As always your videos are great. However I’ve got one request that nobody had tested yet. For around the same price what’s best between MacBook 14” M3 Max binned 14 CPU 30 GPU with 96GB 300GB/sec at $3,999 vs M3 Max 16 CPU 30 GPU 64GB 400GB/sec at $3,899 ? 14 inches being more thermally constrained, is it better to have a less powerful chip with more memory or the full chip with 22GB less memory ? Do 300GB/sec any slower than 400GB/sec in real life ? Thanks in advance

This is just the comparo I was looking for! I was leaning towards the refurbished M2 Pro, but now am leaning towards the M3 Pro. While not a big gamer per se, I would like to be able to play Baldur's Gate 3. Was worried about the reduced GPU cores on the M3. But it looks like it should handle it just fine, due to the results of all the other tests. Thanks for doing all these tests between the two. Now will keep looking for any deals I can find on the 14" M3 Macbook Pro. Because right now I do think the extra $$ will be worth it in the long run. Thanks!

Buenisimooo pensaba que la m2 pro y la m3 pro estaban a la par pero me equivoqué, como no tengo laptop en si, creo que si me convendrá mas la m3 pro, tocó invertir un poco mas pero se que valdrá la pena para los siguientes 6 años, tambien me gustó mucho la comparativa en cual se sobrecalentaba mas

You should not compare just video export, it is almost the same on all new macs. You should compare, noise reduction, optical flow or any demanding task.

Hi! Thanks for including LPX in your test. Do you think that the new LP11 will have better efficiency core usage? The last Pro Tools update consisted mostly in this kind of optimisation, do you think we'll see this also in the apple DAW?

I have an M1 Pro with 32GB and 1TB, it's my go to if I need battery life for a project. Expensive but I never had a problem with it! M3 does look promising!

Overall some gains with year over year bumps, but this was a bigger year for the change to 3nm IMO. Plus the M3 Ultra looks to be an absolute beast when it comes to market next year.

Still using a 16 inch M1 Max - still works great and is plenty fast for photo editing and video editing.

remember m3/M3 pro there is only 200 buck difference : 2 ventil , 3 thunderbolt , 2 external screen , 20% perf

I'd like to have seen the RAM memory comsumption on both machines. Looking forward for a RAM STRESS TEST 18GB vs 36GB!! 🔥

Good Review. I have been using my new MBP M3 Pro equipped with the unbinned M3 Pro chip coupled to 36 GB of unified memory and 1 TB of SSD storage. This machine FLYs with all that ram. Suffice it to say, I am one happy new owner of a very nice Space Black 14" MBP. PS Windows 11 on ARM in a Parallels Desktop 19 virtual machine (configured to 4 CPU cores/8 GB or ram) boots in 9 seconds and useful work ia available after 15 seconds from initial boot up. I have been impressed.

Thinking about selling off my gaming computer to get a Mac. For normal computer programming, am I better off getting the M1 pro or paying for the M3? Everyone is saying no need to upgrade but I’d like to know if that applies to non-Mac holders as well.

Thanks for the video. It's a lot of good information and a lot of good tests. Thank you guys. When comparing the battery life, how many cycles between M2 and M3 pro PCs?

Thanks for doing logic test for me❤❤

I think the most telling thing here was the beta software that takes advantage of all the new features. Perhaps folks don’t know that, for instance, when Intel comes out with a new feature or instruction in new processors, they update the Intel Performance Primitives library to use that feature where it can be used. Until the software you’re using gets updated to use the new IPP that uses the new features, you won’t see the most performance increase everywhere. All of that to say, run these tests again in, say, February, and you may have some different results. And for all the folks out there that need 140 tracks in Logic that can’t afford the extra cash for the Max chip… you need to learn to use your software better. Also, you’re not running a business, you are running a hobby.

I would love to see the 2019 MacBook Pro (intel) vs the m3 pro - nobody has done this yet (and that’s what I’m upgrading from and would love to see)!!

Finally!!!This is the video comparison for 3D that i needed - thank you!

Nothing interesting has happened since M1 Pro Macs were released imo, having 10% or 20% performance increase here and there is just not enough. At this rate, I might have to wait for something like M8 for a reason to upgrade.

This is a pleasant surprise in favor of the M3 Pro chip MBP. For the M4 Pro chip, I think they should add a couple more p-cores to the unbinned chip making it 8 p-cores and 6 efficiency cores.

You know what would be really AWESOME to see? A video doing a detailed comparison between a top spec Macbook Pro M3Max and a top spec Dell Precision 17"

Soo get the M2 Pro on a discount then seems like the right approach