Recycling Electric Motors For Clean Copper

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3 жыл бұрын

We have developed a new electric motor/copper shred residue processing line to recover all the copper from scrap electric motors and stators. This recycling line can process up to 20 lb pieces of scrap and recycle them to copper wire and a clean steel fraction. Using our largest 34x24 HD hammer mill the copper bearing scrap metal is beaten up and shredded to liberate the copper and the steel plates. Once separated in the hammer mill the steel is removed by an over belt magnet cross belt and the remaining non-magnetic copper is sent to a separate bin.
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@ToddDunning 3 жыл бұрын

That magnetic separator does an incredible job

@Drewsroofingandhomerepair Жыл бұрын

I want one of them wow that thing is amazing

@Drewsroofingandhomerepair Жыл бұрын

I have a question if you did not break them up and Hammermill and you pulled the copper wire out the way I would have to do it with that metal be considered heavy steel

@tinamathews3379 Жыл бұрын

I'm glad to see that these things are getting recycled. The more that we recycle materials, the less raw resources that we are going to be using.

@prinzeugenvansovoyen732 3 жыл бұрын

you could use a ventilator to seperate light materials from the copper while it falls down from the conveyer

@ultimatewestyexperience4345 Жыл бұрын

It'll burn up in the melt anyway, skim the slag off and you're good.

@xenaguy01 Жыл бұрын

No reason to do that, you'll still end up with #2 copper, as #1 copper must be 1/16 or larger wire.

@TrevorsBench 3 жыл бұрын

I think my neighbors would be pissed if I ran that mill

@jeffarto8340 3 жыл бұрын

It has to be in an area where you are a mile or two away so the sound is muffled. Or build sound barriers or walls. Or you get a noise ordinance warning or fine, which you can beat in court.

@6Diego1Diego9 2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffarto8340 the point is not to be an asshole to your neighbors

@robertscrimger6044 2 жыл бұрын

My neighbor is a bit annoying- can you rent one for the weekend?

@johannesdesloper8434 3 жыл бұрын

Those stators are best to be done by hand I think. Cut 1 side of the coils, tick windings out with a hammer and pin or pull the windings out. Much more energy efficient maybe bit more time consuming but perfectly separated in Iron and copper.

@aredditor4272 3 жыл бұрын

Some large scale recyclers have machines that do this, but removing even one employee saves a lot of money.

@FishFind3000 3 жыл бұрын

It’s the time savings that’s where the money adds up

@djmips 2 жыл бұрын

A problem is that if you get iron in the copper or worse copper in the iron it is almost impossible to separate later.

@ScrapFatherScrapSon 2 жыл бұрын

Smaller scale yes but I’ll save you some time and energy just wack the hammer on the side and they will come straight off in chickens of 5-10 disks. Of course like you said cut one side off flush and this will save you time. Your welcome!

@Drewsroofingandhomerepair Жыл бұрын

I kind of agree but if this guy has enough of them it might be a good idea to do it this way but if you only have a few it’s probably better to do it your way like I have to do I have been removing all my copper motors and I hopefully can be doing a video on that soon me removing the copper

@pacodelapena 10 ай бұрын

Best done by hand. Takes longer but no mix copper and iron.

@tracysmith9934 9 ай бұрын

Yes, my thoughts exactly 😊

@frankz1125 3 жыл бұрын

Copper and steel are both up right now where I am. Would be perfect for the times. Looks like it does a great job

@gortnewton4765 3 жыл бұрын

Impressive. Hire time on it by the hour to scrappers. They'd love you. Most of them separate copper/iron by hand.

@kimconley4679 3 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad KZfaq suggested one of your videos. I've been binge watching and am now subscribed. I love learning and find your content educational. Good job! Looking forward to seeing more from you.

@StirlingLighthouse 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you 👍

@Albrecht8000 Жыл бұрын

Recyling is sooo important!!! 😀 Give you a "thump up". Greetings from germany

@jdgower1 3 жыл бұрын

Industrial maintenance, service, and engineering guy here - Yeah, you could easily push a 100 HP 480V 3 Phase motor well over 100 amps, especially in the conditions you seem to be in. Excessive heat build up in the windings (stator) of motors is what kills them, and the rated FLA of a motor is determined by how much heat a motor will produce in the windings while operating in worst case scenarios within design parameters. Typically speaking, the Full Load Amp (F.L.A) rating of a motor is what it is rated to run at on a continuous basis ad infinitum - assuming the ambient temp of the motor is at or below the Max Ambient Temp stated on the name plate (usually around 80C, or about 175F). I might be wrong, but it didn't look like you guys, nor the motor, were in 175F temps out there. :) The motor getting a little above that FLA for relatively short periods of time ( a few seconds to a couple minutes) isn't any kind of a big deal at all. Frankly, you could just see how hard you could push it if you wanted to, and if the motor temp started rising, just back off till it gets stable and reasonable. You said you did ~2500 lbs of stuff an hour running the way you did, I bet a whole dollar you could get that to 4000 pounds/hr with no ill consequences to the motor at all. Just make sure the motor stays cool enough not to be uncomfortable to touch with a bare hand, and let it do it's thing.

@bobbys405 3 жыл бұрын

This is why you always tip your weighmaster because you can turn #2 into #1 pretty easily! ;)

@HellBent069 2 жыл бұрын

@BigstackD Casting you need one of these separators!

@UnderDuress 2 жыл бұрын

You are always doing cool stuff on your job I'm envious 😂

@donaldlewis9734 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Thanks

@TwoHunnid200 3 жыл бұрын

Great work 👍👍

@ededward5448 3 жыл бұрын

Nice separation...

@jimmierturner3597 Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@Search4TruthReality 3 жыл бұрын

Cool video. Thank you for sharing.

@mbmmllc 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@frantiseklaluch6605 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Jason, nice machinery recycling metals looks like nice little bussiness now, and bigger in the future... :-)

@shubbz87 Жыл бұрын

Great show 👍

@tylerdavis9820 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing!

@RoeMantic 3 жыл бұрын

A safe measurement for stators will be 18-22 percent safe weight. But even at 29 percent recovery it's a good bet to clean them. I do on my channel! Thanks buddy for the video!

@geoffc1694 2 жыл бұрын

Years ago i used to burn them to remove the shelac coating, use a sthilsaw to cut one end off the motors or transformer copper then just bang the motor and the wire pops out. Did it all by hand, made 1500-2grand a month JUST on these motors. Itd take me friday to sunday one weekend of the month to do that. I think now foundries where i live pay such a high price for these kind motors its not really worth separating them. But weight for weight you get a better return on smaller motors, the CU to iron ratio is higher. Gotta watch out for copper coated ali wire in more modern motors too nowadays

@scottcook9165 3 жыл бұрын

Love the videos.👌

@sennasilverpro9219 3 жыл бұрын

Good job

@ScrappingwithGrandpa 3 жыл бұрын

Wish I had a machine like that

@rjgoniea 3 жыл бұрын

I've scrapped many stators, and sometimes the wiring is copper coated aluminum (or what looks like a copper coating anyway). Some have both copper and aluminum wire, with the smaller copper wire used to assist at startup in a second set of windings. If you didn't inspect the stators in that first bin you could have a significant amount of aluminum in the shredded output. Overall you have a very efficient process there though. Sure beats doing them by hand like I do.

@redlobster968 2 жыл бұрын

Man that stuff is annoying

@damianstasek8946 2 жыл бұрын

Doing motors by hand is a chore.

@jackmclane1826 2 жыл бұрын

Use a blower under the discharge drop to remove light stuff.

@walter2990 2 жыл бұрын

It wouldn't qualify as #2 at my recycling center. But the steel is going to get you a pretty good price.

@chinalocaltravel Жыл бұрын

Nice video

@aredditor4272 3 жыл бұрын

A lot of transformers have aluminum coils on one side. You can't tell at first glance, because they're coated with copper colored enamel.

@heathstott 3 жыл бұрын

I always thought it was just copper coated aluminium wire, thanks for the info👍

@aredditor4272 3 жыл бұрын

@@heathstott also motors, especially vacuum and garbage disposer motors. The guage of aluminum wire is larger than it would be if it were copper, since it's less conductive to electricity than copper.

@SilverScorpion 3 жыл бұрын

I need one of those

@nepriandries 3 жыл бұрын

Hello my friend thank sharing video👍🤝🔔👈🇮🇩🙏🏻

@joecat916 Жыл бұрын

I often wondered how maybe they did that. I just wonder how much it would grind before needing worked on. I know alot of that stuff has copper coated aluminum. I suppose it would pass as #2 as long as the smelter can separate the aluminums. I'd love to see it in person!

@shaneyork300 3 жыл бұрын

You should set a camera up on the tower of "clean" copper and set up a time lapse! I think it would look very cool. Have a Great Day My Friend!!

@DavidGS66 11 ай бұрын

I wish you would compare with a technique where motors are cut in half flush & windings are pryed out, such as using an hydraulic chisel press. Less messy.

@karlbe8414 2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't you grind your Cu finer and do a shaker table separation from the Aluminum? My California yard would downgrade that below #2 Cu. I am very small scale and do all those by hand, so appreciate a mechanized process. Thanks!

@edwardnava2353 3 жыл бұрын

Allot of cooper, halo from Aruba🌴

@susanvaughn741 2 жыл бұрын

I would use a band saw to cut the ends off transformers, or a shire to get a better grade while you are waiting for the hammer to clear .. I think of a wood splitter with a knife blade to Sheri the ends off

@Drewsroofingandhomerepair Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing I want a wood splitters for this operation right here

@scohen88 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Jason! Love it! Would you use an eddy current separator to remove the aluminum after the mag belt? Also, how about your zig zag vac for removal of the fluff and paper.

@johncochran8497 3 жыл бұрын

Doubt that eddy current separators would work to separate aluminum and copper from each other. They rely upon generating an electric current in a conductor due to a changing magnetic field. This in turn causes the conductor to generate a magnetic field of its own, opposing the original magnetic field and getting pushed. Both aluminum and copper are conductive, so ....

@DieterSoegemeier 2 жыл бұрын

I want one of these

@Handle_number_7 3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't pass at my yard. They're picky picky picky lol They're also very cheap. Constantly well under the national average prices. Really not that far from a port either. Funny that you post this video, and I'm about to begin tearing apart about 30 of these things lol

@jorgegabrielconteburrell8575 Жыл бұрын

The cooper will need to pass by an a smaller screen, like in the copper wire granulators to get an even cuality of the N2 copper wire.

@LoveShaysloco 3 жыл бұрын

your smelting vids i also watch codys lab and he did a metal recovery with other metals and other chemicals that he keeps reuseing just a thought for you to try to see the cost efficiency of it

@DanBowkley 3 ай бұрын

Wouldn't be too difficult to have a conveyor feeding the mill with the motor controlled by an ammeter on the mill's motor. Set it so the conveyor stops when it hits ~80A and starts again at ~40A. Then it's a totally hands off system, just dump stuff on the belt and let it do its thing.

@UtmostOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

You're a legend Jason! I do small scale placer mining of fine gold on my channel... Would be cool too see you do a video for us placer miners to melt down our gold with borax in a potato crucible or something. Or your thoughts on how to find our golds purity at home. Cheers!

@StevenHanover 3 жыл бұрын

He already has bro, he turns the black sands you throw away into yellow gold with Bismuth, all the benefits of a collector metal without the toxicity.

@UtmostOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@@StevenHanover thanks for the heads up, I'll do more searching!

@ScarboroughSt 3 жыл бұрын

Water displacement and weight with a corresponding chart would be a good start. They’ve shown examples of that on this channel before. Hope that helps 👍

@josephcormier5974 3 жыл бұрын

Some yards will deduct for the paper and fluff nice job nice payday two thumbs

@Skorpychan 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but it can be cleanred up fairly easily.

@wantafastz28 3 жыл бұрын

How is it #2 if it is coated wire?

@cylejohnson356 3 жыл бұрын

Where do you find scrap like that?

@okiedoke6373 2 жыл бұрын

So after that job run what did the Hammers look like

@joewoodchuck3824 2 жыл бұрын

Is there actually enough financial return to make the time spent worth it though?

@ScrapRushUK 2 жыл бұрын

Lovely to watch all that lovely copper being separated from the steel plates and what ever cast aluminium is attached to them. That machine is amazing maybe not as affective as stripping by hand but certainly saves a lot of time. Probably can process more motors in a day than I can do in 6 months manually.

@rubywarrior1 2 жыл бұрын

sound sound sound, i wanna hear the crusher...i love hearing the destruction of man made items.

@DavidGS66 11 ай бұрын

I also wonder how you handle security because even small scrappers like me have had problems with thieves.

@joneastman5627 3 жыл бұрын

What you need is a furnace to turn all that number two into number one boss

@nomadsteve5297 3 жыл бұрын

That’s exactly what I was thinking, 👍

@Brainmalfuction 3 жыл бұрын

how do you get hooked up with that grade of scrap? thats sweet !

@Drewsroofingandhomerepair Жыл бұрын

I wish I had that kind of steel or copper that’s a hook up right there

@tinamathews3379 Жыл бұрын

I take it that you sell the steel separately, then. Hopefully, it brings you some good income, as well.

@paulconlon6068 Жыл бұрын

I would get number 2 for that easy

@epicbomb2 3 жыл бұрын

Imagine buying one of these and not just saving your own transformers and motors from regular recycling but also buy them from your local yard

@aaronreash814 3 жыл бұрын

If you can get them at standard 25-30c a pound for motor and did everything yourself you could prob pay off the machinery decently quick

@eastcoyote7355 2 жыл бұрын

I thought #2 copper is clean with no insulation or anything else with it. I took some stripped wires in and received a lower price because they weren't shiny red copper. They had some discoloration of brown and green.

@coppercasttechnology 2 жыл бұрын

Aluminium is big problem in copper refining

@rif6876 3 жыл бұрын

Honest question - why not use a diesel motor to run it?

@jeffflanagan2814 2 жыл бұрын

@mbmmllc What is the electric bill typically?

@BillMcSwain 2 жыл бұрын

Could you imagine what bigstackd would do with,?

@barrytipton1179 3 жыл бұрын

Impressive what happens to plastic

@mauriciovarela8928 2 жыл бұрын

Como hacen para q el cobre quede limpio sin papel

@vuo2594 2 жыл бұрын

Hello. Can you show me the potion grinding gear?

@justinreel5546 3 жыл бұрын

So many that’s what she said moments 😂

@davidmccleary5540 2 жыл бұрын

What % of copper gets trapped in the steel?

@TheBussaca 2 жыл бұрын

Also if you could come up with a consumer level hammer mill for small scale under $1k.. you'd be the only one in the market.

@damianstasek8946 2 жыл бұрын

Im trying to find one, might have to make my own.

@6Diego1Diego9 Жыл бұрын

I've realized these are just advertisement videos for the hammer mill

@LilMilely 3 жыл бұрын

No it will goes at #3 copper

@estebanwedontneednostinkin9969 3 жыл бұрын

MINT👌

@jsEMCsquared 3 жыл бұрын

this is farking cool! how much does a pounder cost? copper price in ten years will be quadrupled!

@michaelwillcutt2619 Жыл бұрын

Seems like a windy day would blow away the fine copper

@petepete2284 Жыл бұрын

Hi Jason. Hey do you make those hammer mills?

@westcoast8562 Жыл бұрын

yea clik his link to website

@bond1j89 2 жыл бұрын

Why not pass a current through the steel, heating it to the point where the copper melts out?

@uecridzan 3 жыл бұрын

Have another simple machine to extract copper from motors and you make copper number 1.

@guestuser6168 3 жыл бұрын

When are we going to see you mine out those pillars left in that gold mine?

@stevetreloar6602 3 жыл бұрын

I've seen people who go back and decide to extract pillars. They are usually newbies, don't put in props or stulls and they are usually collapsed cave holes after a year or two; essentially sterilizing that section of the ore body to everyone in the future. There is a good reason why cut and cement fill stoping is popular.

@cranki6316 2 жыл бұрын

How does the steel come OFF the magnet?

@wesleykamerer6154 2 жыл бұрын

I think the magnet just sits over the conveyor. And as the steel gets picked up by the magnet the little conveyor carries it to the side away from the conveyor carrying the copper. The magnet does not extend that far over and therfore the steel falls off. Thats my guess. Could be wrong though.

@joewalker5153 Жыл бұрын

Where did you buy your motors? I would love to find a source of unprocessed material.

@Skorpychan 3 жыл бұрын

The outputs look like they could use some work with a shovel.

@adamtahirpianist Жыл бұрын

Anyone know how much a machine like this is?

@SuperRashead 3 жыл бұрын

I would love to seperate the cobber from the aluminium :) Love to relaxe with this.

@robbuechner3647 3 жыл бұрын

Most of what your seeing is the paper/tape from the windings.

@SuperRashead 3 жыл бұрын

@@robbuechner3647 OK it will burn :-) But why is it #2 copper then?

@robbuechner3647 3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperRashead size of the wire, and probably because of the varnish. To be number 1 is needs to be as big around as a pencil lead.

@davidmoore657 3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperRashead it's not CLEAN copper. it's coated with lacquer for insulation and there's solder and other impurities

@FunDumb 3 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing you probably welded just about every piece of operational steel on the facility.

@anxiousstacker7945 3 жыл бұрын

Id love to smelt some of that into bricks and shine them up.

@thomasthecrunkengine3512 3 жыл бұрын

I was really hoping to see all of that copper melted into ingots

@zamistro 3 жыл бұрын

Ever consider adding a window to the hammer mill?

@aaronreash814 3 жыл бұрын

Would be cool but it would be trashed in 20min, glass would break and plexi is so soft it scratches easy

@zamistro 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but some kind of quick release to hold it and could just keep replacing. Just a one off, I think. Can't imagine a use for it other than cool video.

@damianstasek8946 2 жыл бұрын

That would be awesome.

@aaronreash814 3 жыл бұрын

First bin with aluminum would not go for #2 at any of my places, they want clean #2 it would prob end up getting money knocked off at the one and at the other would just get rad price cause they're a bad yard, the second bin is #2 all day if its just paper, a smelter wouldn't care it just burns off and doesn't make bronze and can make 99% electrical grade again.

@laisuresboringadventures7052 Жыл бұрын

My yard wont even pay me number 2 for that

@Graeme408 3 жыл бұрын

Can you smelt your #2 copper and cast it into #1 ingots?

@damianstasek8946 2 жыл бұрын

Ingots never sell higher than #2 at yards because they domt know is its alloyed.

@tawnihaynie1065 3 жыл бұрын

😇🤗cool.., ☺☺☺😇😇😇

@benleysen Жыл бұрын

I do not know what number 2 copper means, I do work in the lab of a copper recycling factory. Those copper wires are all coated though, What weight % that is, I do not know.

@user-mh9zc8mc1b Ай бұрын

Copper clad aluminum 👀

@ryangetz5473 3 жыл бұрын

Hey so how do I get ahold of you I live in Bellingham and I have been collecting gold mother boards would you be interested

@curbyourshi1056 3 жыл бұрын

Looks like a LOT of non-copper going in the copper hopper. Aluminium?

@aredditor4272 3 жыл бұрын

Insulation

@curbyourshi1056 3 жыл бұрын

@@aredditor4272 That makes sense, thanks.

@andymanaus1077 3 жыл бұрын

Some of the stators had aluminium parts still attached. Frankly, it's sometimes nearly impossible to remove it all by hand because a lot of aluminium is press fitted into motors and a real nuisance to remove. I'd like to see an eddy current separator pulling out the aluminium from the copper section and an air current separator for the paper.

@aredditor4272 3 жыл бұрын

@@andymanaus1077 very often a motor rotor goes into a mold and molten aluminum is poured into it. This isn't a huge problem to refine, because aluminum melts at a significantly lower temperature than steel.