I agree

I have to admit I was slightly disappointed in this review. On a big screen TV, especially a 4k screen, I won't plug my switch into it without it. Animal crossing is much better with the mclassic, as well as Zelda BOTW has quite a massive impact. I got it for 60 bucks early access which was well worth it

I tested mine with my wiiu, I could see the difference but I believe it's much better to you use a pc monitor for 1440p.

I disagree. Those games already have antialiasing heaped on, And the mClassic might not detect any stairstepping. I think they weren't looking at "hi-res vs low-res" i think they tested games without anti-aliasing, whereas the games you mentioned already have tons of AA.

The new pokemon has a TON of aliasing

You'd probably still need to set the Wii U to a 480p output though, otherwise you'd have the same issue that the Switch was having where the games are rendered at a lower resolution than the video signal the console itself is outputting. There would also be the annoyance that most Wii games support anamorphic widescreen (which I'm not even sure can be disabled on the Wii U), yet this device forces 4:3 for its "retro" 480p input.

From my understanding this does its most optimal job on lower, raw resolutions. The Wii U already upscales Wii games. You'd be running an upscale through an upscale, essentially defeating the purpose of the device.

It might be better using this on the Wii with an HDMI dongle instead of the Wii U, though there will be screen flicker from the Wii to HDMI dongle. With the mCable it produces good enough results and I expect the mClassic will do one better with its Retro mode.

@@nintendomaniac64 I've messed with it a lot, and yes, you have to set the Wii U to 480p or it doesn't really do much. N64 VC games benefit massively from it.

It does improve a little bit, games like Skyward Sword look rougher without any processing. I have a unit running from an HDMI switch with a Wii U/Switch/PS3. I also like the results with the PS3 with most games running at 720p they look less harsh on my 4K TV.

That's what I am looking for the retro console review like ps1 and ps2

*mC L A S S I C*

@@SoCalGamers1 works really well on ps2

And it brings Switch graphics into this decade.

MrMario2011 I use 1 mcable and 2 mclassics, some say I've made the PS3 look 8th gen 👀

@Mike UK for real. the game is beautiful, but watching that scene made me feel like I was gonna puke.

I will agree that the game does still look pretty good, but they bathe the screen in whiteand it just makes my eyes hurt after looking at it for a while, I had to turn down the brightness and turn up the contrast to solve the issue on the PC version

That's a 4k version of it not the original 360 resolution

For real. Looks like a new title. When's the VR sequel coming out tho?

@@chrisfratz on Xbox I also had to change contrast and brightness

Tuncay D it’s not

Not sure if it's worth 1 dollar.

It's definitely a personal preference. After I saw it working in person I understood. None of the KZfaq reviews of the mClassic that I've seen have done this device justice. For me, it makes Switch games look far better on a 4K TV. I can't go back to the raw input. It looks cheap by comparison.

exactly my feelings.

This pretty much sums up every Digital Foundry analysis video these days.

Sure, like doom and Wolfstein. A sharper boost would help lot.

I agree

It would help quite a lot, this was not a great review. If they ever go on sale I would buy one, I got mine for 70 after tax and shipping so it was very worth it

​@@ratoproduction I still can't believe those games don't use a sharpening filter on the switch version. It would make it so much better. Or maybe they do but it's really subtle, so the games still look blurry like you'd get with TAA.

I'd say Skyrim but with Switch' draw distances maybe not.

I was disappointed that they didn't do a Wii comparison using Wii U backwards compatibility at the very least.

The Wii U seems like the perfect use case for this adapter, it has both a majority of 720p titles, and many retro games to enjoy with it

Honestly this was not their best review. If you have a fairly large tv or 4k tv, and wanna play any nintendo console or older than this generation console, it makes a huge difference. I got it for around 70 with shipping on kickstarter, it was very worth it

I wanted to see a ps3 test. Many of its titles implemented quincnux aa which really reduced the image quality. Games like gta 4 and bayonetta are worth testing on this console using mclassic.

LiziPancake The Wii U is the console that benefits the most in my set up. BOTW and Splatoon look amazing through the MClassic

I totally agree with you, DF dropped the ball here.

Those examples were probably cherry picked by Marseille to show of the mClassic though. I really love my mClassic for use on my Wii. The 4:3/16:9 toggle is my favorite part, and i love the processing it does to games like Majora's Mask running on the Wii's Virtual console.

Yup when doing the math it shuold be 100 bucks spread across improving 3 to 7 consoles if you are talking value for money.

Thank you. I was considering picking this up, and I know they recommend plugging it directly into the console...but was curious how this setup would work, as I wanted to do the same.

I got 2 of them when the kickstarter had the 2pack for cheaper. One I use with a Switch on my new 4ktv and the other for some older consoles on a 1080p tv (just have them output from my Switch). I guess I should bump my PS3 back to 720p, I noticed some improvement in AA at 1080p but the blacks were crushed, so I ended up switching it off for that since that was more annoying to me than aliasing. For playing Wii on the WiiU, setting the WiiU to 480p is a must for getting the most improvement since you need to bypass the WiiU's internal upscaling. I don't think I have played much WiiU games since getting it last fall, but guess I will keep the WiiU at 720p when not playing Wii games. Are there many/any WiiU games that actually render at 1080p vs 720p? I have my Gamecube on my 4k tv via an Eon adapter, and tried connecting it and my Switch via a hdmi-switch, but the GC would lose display signal and flash off and on every 8-10 seconds or so, but the Eon/GCvideo adapter is finicky anyways since it works on this HDMI-switch but not my others so I am not surprised it didn't work. Going from 480p to 4k using my TV's internal upscaling isn't optimal but is still playable though I need to try out my GB Boy Player since that is the main reason that GC is on my main tv to begin with. So I had to just use the mClassic on the Switch between the console and HDMI-switch. It was 3am and I was tired when I tried it the night I got the tv, but I am pretty sure my Samsung showed it as being a 1440p signal. I need to double check though as I have been mostly playing FF7r since getting the TV last week, so I haven't messed with the Switch much since then. Even so, the improvements at 1080p were worth it to me for the Switch. Someone in another comment says their Samsung does 1440p as well, so that makes me think I was right in what I saw, haha. I'll double check tonight either way.

I’m considering getting one to run on my retro consoles NES snes run on a retrotink with the snes having hd retrovision cables, n64 and gcn both run on eon products. The Wii and OG x box are plugged directly into the tv with component cables. My plan is to attach at the end of my hdmi switch, so all the consoles running hdmi benefit. Will this work how I’m assuming? Will all the hdmi consoles benefit enough to justify the price?

@@campaug technically yes, but I personally wouldn't use it with anything that predates Dreamcast. I wouldn't use it for NES or SNES due to the systems being low res and 2D based.I've personally never tried N64 so give it a try to see if you like the image. For the Wii and OG Xbox, you'd need a component to hdmi switch. If I were you I would have one input for the retrotink consoles, and another input for everything that will be using the mclassic via an hdmi switch box.

What are your favourite 3 switch games?

@@O1OO1O1 Pokeman Pokeman JR and Pokemon Sr

@@moisestamayo5809 edgy

@@kptoca Thanks dad 👨

@Mike UK exactly,in a place like youtube where 4k looks similar to 720p its hard to judge

I could see a noticable difference at 1x, however it was only a few of them. It depends so much on so many factors that I couldn't justify buying it. Perhaps on a Xbox 360/PS3 and anything lower it would he worth it cause of the low resolution

It just works best on things in the range of Dreamcast to PS3 and the stuff in between. Also early PS4 games like Bloodborn that done have a 4kmode get a nice boost from it.

@@CCaribou world of difference? Really? Don't you think you're overselling it just a tad there? ;)

@Mike UK That, and the device increases the output to 1440p. The video is in 1080p. I've used it on a native 1440p monitor and it was great! Especially for Smash bros since it's a native 1080p game.

I think they just focus on the most general use case.

Yes! I hope they see this message and add a video with Switch locked at 720 with Mclassic. I really want them to test that. From what I've heard that will make Switch look really really good. But, now we'll never know.

He did mention it in the video right after 14:01. Upscaling from 720p to 1440p via PC monitor benefits

Why would you intentionally set your output resolution to 720p when it could be at 1080p and then upscaled from there? How could an image upscaled from 720p to 1440p look better then an image upscaled from 1080p to 1440p? You are just gimping the output resolution at the console level at that point and not letting the Switch hardware do as much work as it is capable of. Does the mClassic not upscale 1080p images? According to the chart at 3:58 it does. Am I misunderstanding something here?

​@@Tenchi547 Output resolution set by the user does not affect the render resolution of the game, well I haven't heard of any where it does at least, so I could be wrong for some games. That said, take BOTW for example since it is mostly rendered at 900p while docked. If you set the Switch to 1080p output then the Switch upscales the rendered image to 1080p, whereas if you have the Switch set to 720p output, then that 900p image is downscaled/downsampled/supersampled (or whatever method they use to handle it) down to 720p. People prefer the mClassic or other device they use to handle upscaling rather than relying on the Switch's or their TV's scaling method. I have only had a 4k TV for a week, so I haven't tested my Switch other than a few Mario Kart races and have only had it upscale from 1080p to 1440p so far, but I plan to do some testing between 720p/1080p across a few games. However, I know that when using the mClassic for Wii games on the WiiU, setting the WiiU's output to 480p and letting the mClassic do the upscaling to 1080p gives a better picture than the WiiU upscaling to 1080p first (with or without using the mClassic for AA/sharpening/etc.). So I could see that translating to sub-1080p rendered games on the Switch.

Oh and yeah, and many Switch games benefit from setting the Switch to output 720p and not 1080p. Sounds ludicrous, but the Switch has strange upscaling to get to 1080p in most games; thus forcing 720p provides superb anti-aliasing and upscaling on the mClassic :)

@@piercebros Would love to see footage of the Switch 1440p upscaling in action, the DF video is only in 1080p (even in the downloads section on their site) so I can't decide for myself if the $130CAD is worth it or not. Never mind KZfaq's garbage compression.

NanoDrive I’ll see what I can do mate!

That’s funny, because all setting the Switch to anything lower than 720p does is introduce unwanted oversharpening and halo effects.

@@nanodrive If you have a reasonably new TV that has upscaling support, it's not really worth it (however you need a mid-high tier model current generation or last gen: older devices upscaling introduce horrible input lag. But since last and this generation, that seems to be getting resolved, I barely notice any delay with the correct settings in my TV HOWEVER: I can not do anti aliasing, but I don't really care about that because at the distance I sit it's barely even noticable).

Do you need an HDMI 2.0 input on your monitor? I have a 1440p monitor with HDMi 1.4. Wondering if this will work

Most 'improvements' seem to just be confirmation bias. "I just spent $100 so there MUST be a difference"

Mikey C No it’s not, there’s a big difference in many non AA games especially on Switch & GameCube, Dreamcast & PS2 titles

Unfortunately, that's the case with literally everything fucking ever so it's always a gamble.

Its only worth it to upscale 480p to 1080p/1440p. This would be using it on an n64. The switch is too close to the 1080p upscale so the difference is too subtle. On the n64 its very noticeable and very nice.

Yeah it falls into that, you have to see it live to really get it.

I bought one recently and have been using it on my switch on a 1080 monitor would you recommend keeping the switch at 1080 or change the settings to 720p

@@s3nchii736 Try 720

I'm no expert but I think if you leave it on 720 the Mclassic will upscale it to 1080, if on 1080 it will upscale to 1440 (2k)

@@luckyrockmore2796 It doesn't work that way. If it is plugged into a 1080p source it will go to 1080p. If it is plugged into a 1440p source, it will go to 1440p.

It sounds like a stop-gap until the rear horizon of emulation catches up. It's interesting, if you're into that kind of thing, but meh, I'll wait

Yep, recently got a Q70r and my Switch ran at 1440p. edit: I should add that I tested it at 3am and was tired, and I thought it showed it as being 1440p. But I have only had the tv a week and haven't used my Switch since then since I have been playing other games (FF7r) since. I'll test it out tonight to be sure that what I saw was correct and I didn't just imagine that since it is what I expected it to be. edit 2: just checked, TV shows 1440p/60 in the info bar on my Switch's menu (set to 1080p output). I didn't have time to fire up a game but I'll assume I was correct and not delirious the last time I thought it showed at 1440p.

Just curious, I have a Samsung Q9fn65 (2018 model) and it does freesync with the Xbox one x. I just bought the MClassic and I have a switch as well. Would my tv upscale to 1440p as well with the switch at 720p?

They accumulate you get even better results.

I wouldnt say its that expensive also including you have to buy the hdmii cable seperate

The Ostrich lmao this dude

They're not cheap, that's for sure. I bought 2 on sale when it was kick-started and use an HDMI switch to run all my consoles through.

@The Ostrich said like a true pleb

@@69metersbelow25 It's $99 for basically a filter for your game that you'll barely notice when going over it with a fine tooth comb. Obviously that's not going to be worth it for most people. I mean sure it's cheap in the sense that many people could afford it, but if I'm paying $99 for something it better do a hell of a lot more than "it kind of anti aliases the picture if you zoom in really close to see it" otherwise I'm going to allocate my $99 of disposable income to something more worthwhile like some new games, an old console, a bass guitar, or any of the other myriad things I can get for $99. The problem with a lot of these "gamer accessories" like those framemeister upscalers, FPGA clones, mClassic, etc. is that it seems like theres no way for the people who make these to bring them to market at a price that allows them to profit AND is actually justified by the mediocre (but still nice depending on your situation) benefit to the end customer. The only reason people feel justified in paying these prices for these accessories is because of successful viral marketing done by KZfaqrs (and people on other sites, forums, etc.) such as this one, Metal Jesus, My Life in Gaming, etc. Not attacking any of these people or making moral judgements, just an observation that's become clearer to me over the years.

Would it also help the Wii U ?

@@SoUtHMeMpHis yes, a lot.

@@SoUtHMeMpHis Yeah it should also help the WiiU. I would try the different resolution options and see which one outputs the best image when used with the Mclassic.

@@soratheultima 👍👍👍👍👍👍

Can confirm...it works wonders for og xbox, 360 and ps3

@@123doomdoom 360 only needed 2 upscales, the ps3 needed 3 👀

And if you have a TV with an already solid upscale, this actually gives it a second or third pass of AA and sharpening depending on the set. And it looks damn good.

Amazing!*

So play switch on my 4K TV and downgrade switch into 720?

@@charlieb308 yes although you aren't really downgrading it as all the switch does is upscale it anyway.

Yeah i think that is the thing that is missing from the review. On a 32 inch TV or monitor you cant see the gains. But my switch on my 60 inch 4k tv I cant imagine playing games without this on it now. Those minor things show up big on a big tv.

@@braddl9442 Thank for this suggestion. I have a Switch dock and 4k 60 inch tv in the living room. And I was really wondering if the mclassic would make the image better and especially edges and staircase effects. Those are things I really notice on a the 4k 60 inch tv. I also often sit close to the TV so it is even more appearant. So my question is: Do you think it is worth it and how is the upgrade on a 4k 60 inch tv? Do you have an example game you can describe the upgrades on? Thank you in advance, if you would like to respond!

What are your settngs on the ps3? 720p?

yes i use it in my sega mini

What's really interesting is that I always kept my PS3/Xbox 360 at 720p because I knew games were not rendering higher that that for the most part, and some games like Capcom's MT framework titles (RE5, Dragon's Dogma, etc) had screen tearing issues when set to upscale beyond 720p. This basically makes it so those consoles will now look a lot better. Same with Persona 4 Golden on Vita TV. It's really a cool thing to see that our tech is getting so advanced that we are retroactively improving older consoles with external processors and the like.

That game is a big reason why I bought the mClassic. It makes FE look soooo much better on my 4K TV. In fact, I severely dislike playing the game docked without the mClassic. The raw jaggies and shimmering is just too much.

It makes a big difference in Fire Emblem. Undocked Switch amd was shocked at the jagged edges I wasn’t seeing on the TV

@@Thrashman138 what native resolution did you have your Switch on? 720P or 1080P? They said leaving it at 720P will see a significant boost in quality while 1080P is not much of an upgrade

I agree that Digital Foundry should have used more games that would take advantage of some better Anti Aliasing (such as the Switch port of Witcher 3), but at the end of the day it's an $80 adding some AA. It's not bad, just a bit pricey for what it does.

They didnt set the Switch to 720p in the dynamic resolution games. Very strange to me. Also why didnt they test Breath of the Wild. It looks bloody great with Mclassic. You can see each blade of grass and details you couldn't see before off in the distance. It's very impressive with that game. Same with Xenoblade Chronicles 2. They need to do a more in depth look as this disappointed me as I own a Mclassic and have tried it on multiple games and systems, and it really does work.

It works across multiple systems so that's why I believe the price is pretty good. I havnt seen any other Upscalers do the things the Mclassic can do either. So definitely worth getting to improve all your old games consoles visuals and modern games consoles visuals also.

I personally use QLED for better colors.

Once you get one you'll know why

I've been hearing they are really good for gaming for low latency and colours

LG OLED are very good for gaming!

@@payampajoohi166 once you get one you realize the burn in is real and that OLED comes with many downfalls. Whites turn yellow, images get burned into the screen.

I tried mine with my Eon plug-n-play adapter on the Gamecube and the screen flashes every 8 or 10 seconds, but that thing is finicky anyway and only works with 1 of my 3 HDMI switches. I like it with the Switch, subtle but noticeable improvements though I haven't played games like XC2 or FE:3 Houses yet that would benefit more. The reason I bought them (got a 2pack during the crowdfunding campaign) was for Wii games on the Wii U, and setting the Wii U to 480p and using this is better than just the Wii U set at 1080p (so internal up-scaling). It has made Skyward Sword more playable on modern TVs, though I'd still buy a HD remaster on the Switch in a heartbeat. Still need to mess with my PS3 settings because I noticed some crushing of blacks/dark colors that was more annoying than the benefit of the AA+sharpening. Maybe dropping it back to 720p and adjusting the RGB range will help.

Same! Worth it to me. Especially as someone who games on a monitor I can get a 1440p output.

It's really impressive considering you are still using the basic composite signal. Won't ever look as good as the HDMI mod but better than you'd expect. Be warned the original mcable they made will not work work with the EON 64. You will need the mclassic dongle shown here specifically to use both in series.

Don't waste money on an eon. It's just a shitty console specific expensive retrotink.

Nintendrew did it.

the n64 still renders at 240p, and feeding the mclassic with an upscaled resolution isn't ideal. also the rad2x is cheaper and, although doesn't support svideo, it supports rgb modded n64 and it's just 50 bucks

@@TheA_Gamer554 Right on Thanks for the info :-)

Might help you there. Then again is it worth the money if you play allot on your Wii.

@@Mr_Battlefield yeah i use the wii a lot, play all my cube games through it as well. i may look into it, the wii is so blurry on a 1080p panel i run it in 4.3 ratio as well feel its better suited to the wii's output.

I use it through a Mayflash HDMI adapter and games look really good.

@@jedimaster12100 i use a hdmi adapter already, it only converts the signal to hdmi i would like to upscale it as well.

It does. I can confirm this. Also the wiiU if you have one.

A lot of Switch games have a native resolution higher than 720p, many 900p and many 1080p native games; and you're better off keeping it at 1080p for those. But you're definitely right that a lot are 720p and you absolutely should set it to that for those games, I do that regularly if the game I'm playing is 720p native.

I wished I had the money to back it at the time. I do hope to pick it up soon just for the improvements to FE and Xenoblade 2.

Really? I tried it on my 360 and Wii U but couln't see any difference. I don't know if I am doing something wrong. However, I could see the difference right away on my Switch.

@@ratedzeus783 you see differences on switch but not older consoles? Lol what are you doing wrong

@@saucyx4 I figure it out. The Xbox 360 and Wii U were set to 1080p so I had to lower their resolution to 720p and it worked. They should give proper instruction because is not plug and play.

@@ratedzeus783 wait whaaaat? Doesn’t work when set to 1080p? That’s weird

Forgot is DVI better than HDMI?

It works great with this set up, but only for full 3D games.

That actually is one of the best use cases.

They do, and the processing is much better (especially on my 55” G1)

Yeah it does really make my eyes dry...

Many of older games were made for CTR TV/Monitors. And yes, it had it's impact on saturation etc on LCD. Also, many older games tend to use washed out colors because reasons. And it just hurts eyes to play them because of bland, monochrome look.

Yeah it's pretty good for retro or games that is 480p or 720p.

Indeed, 720p consoles is a good sweet spot. But the mClassic really shine with the Nintendo switch, many games on that game console doesn't have any kind of anti aliasing.

720p is gross

@@Kougeru not at all

It made a lot of my PS3 games look way better. But what they dont really explain is that the switch you can see the effects if you have a BIG tv. I have a 60 inch and the Mcable makes my switch games not look like last gen.

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