This video is now part of the Stats Series playlist (designed to be watched in order): kzfaq.info/sun/PLtzZl14BrKjTJZdubjNEY5jU0fGOiy51x Really enjoyed the comments and discussion below so far...
@Agelastic_LuCi4 жыл бұрын
The team's play style is also a significant factor to impact as it determines players' roles. Unfortunately, I think it's one element of the game that's unlikely to be translatable to numbers.
@ashwathradhachandran37924 жыл бұрын
Hey! Love your videos, was hoping to actually talk with you about the data science and basketball intersection (could I get your email?). I just think it's pretty cool and has a lot of applications.
@BaldingSince19994 жыл бұрын
MJ WORTH 25 GAMES? XD more like 6 nba championships
@justinwright39774 жыл бұрын
Hey do you think it’s possible to be 10 top and every statistical category and win 7 MVPs 7 finals mvps 5 dpoy so I’ll become the greatest point guard ever is that possible? And be apart of 50 40 90 club?
@NotOneToFly4 жыл бұрын
I figured out why Luka's on/off is negative: Boban. I know it sounds silly but when you look at his advanced stats this year it makes sense: Bobi's a +23 OnCourt this year and a +16.9 on/off.
@frostedfakes95704 жыл бұрын
Even when I'm confused, which happens often, I'm still entertained 😂
@ralphsampson94394 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@reedkaliher78204 жыл бұрын
Having the gif of Bird falling into the scorers table while asking how much he impacted the scoreboard was a nice subtle touch
@kalenriley63884 жыл бұрын
I would love there to be some sort of "Stops" stat that can be shown for how a defender impacts an offensive possession that forces a missed shot. Lets get some better mainstream ways of judging defense outside of steals and blocks.
@charlesjames17024 жыл бұрын
Defense is a team thing tho. You need all five to be together to get a lot of stops
@burner13034 жыл бұрын
That's one of the holy grails of defensive stats. But it's almost impossible even conceptually to do. How do you judge when a team DOESN'T do something because of a defensive action that can sometimes be extremely subtle. Like how do you score a defender for leaning on his assigned player enough that the opposing team doesn't pass the ball in the defender's direction? You can score it like a coach on a 1-5 scale, but then you're just making subjective judgements "objective" by assigning a number that is subjective. Agreed though, if someone could figure that out it would be sick.
@jonjuko88594 жыл бұрын
DFG% is decent
@burner13034 жыл бұрын
@@jonjuko8859 DFG% is extremely context dependent, and you end up with such tiny sample sizes on matchups that could tell you anything interesting, it's hard to put much stock into.
@jonjuko88594 жыл бұрын
Burn Er those are good points!
@davispo75504 жыл бұрын
Center is my favourite 92-93 and 93-94 Bulls player
@ThinkingBasketball4 жыл бұрын
Underrated comment.
@elfullin4 жыл бұрын
Davis Po Teamplayer is mine
@kingofthenoobs4 жыл бұрын
Well "21 feet of shit" takes up too much space
@elcid63014 жыл бұрын
Lucky Langley?
@Wallyworld303 жыл бұрын
Bill Cartwright? -5.0 BPM for a Starting C that won the NBA Title. Is that a record for a Starting Champ?
@amplitudehertz174 жыл бұрын
As a statistician I couldn’t express how great my appreciation to your channel is. I hope I could tie up every one of friends who constant bring up sTaTs without understanding the implication and intuition behind each number and force them to watch every video of yours. Heuristic biases are just way too big among basketball fans
@alexyuncker72734 жыл бұрын
The “how good is the guy your replacing?” Question is interesting with a situation like the Celtics with kyrie and kemba
@bmebuzz87184 жыл бұрын
Alex Yuncker and how nets win more wit DLo than Kyrie
@burner13034 жыл бұрын
Also brings up the question of team fit vs raw skill or talent. Kyrie does some things Kemba could never do. But Kemba is such a good team player, hustling to defend and take charges and so forth, he really makes up for what he lacks in talent.
@willhooke4 жыл бұрын
@@burner1303 and also, Walker might get more out of his team mates. So whilst Irving might win 1v1, Walker makes the Celtics work better.
@MrE_4 жыл бұрын
@Ovtcry I agree with you. Regular season wins don't mean shit, the playoffs is all that matters. At the end of the day, nets got better. Now the Celtics will probably do better this year, but that's more because of injuries last year, not the switching of star point guards
@sjturner154 жыл бұрын
Ovtcry losing in the second round is fine with me if the whole team tries and gives full effort. when we lost last year it was bc kyrie had the worst shooting series by a star ever and never passed and played some very selfish ball. that was hard to watch
@JUNNY9234 жыл бұрын
This content....right into my veins, please! Aaah, feels so good.
@MistahUnknown4 жыл бұрын
Get a room, Junior!
@charlytavernier62414 жыл бұрын
One day you're going to put out a video proving that Kentavious Caldwell Pope is the actual GOAT and we all gonna roll with it.
@ThinkingBasketball4 жыл бұрын
You haven't seen my 47 minutes on why KCP is the GOAT yet?
@eciohc754 жыл бұрын
Wins aren't linear numbers. Taking a 10 wins team to 20 wins is much easier than taking a 60 wins team to 70 wins. Add synergy into considering, measuring a player with only win/loss change is almost impossible. Maybe we need to quantify the value of each win from 1 to 82 to a sheet of numbers. And we need to take out the system(offense/ defense scheme) multiplying effect to get a meaningful stats.
@burner13034 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for Ben to bring that up too. And to take it further, wins also have varying values year-to-year. In an expansion year, for example, there is less talent in the league so wins are easier (less valuable) for teams with talent. Same thing with the Eastern Conference having less talent than the West for the last 20 years. So just taking that into account, plus the marginal value of wins you brought up, and you already have a 2-D array that explains this relationship. And then you add in the other factors you brought up and this shit gets complicated fast lol
@OjoRojo404 жыл бұрын
In the end, nothing replaces basketball knowledge and feeling. That's why a good coach can make a big difference. You can compile all the numbers you want, basketball is a group activity (hence the complexity) but you'll never understand humans :)
@eciohc754 жыл бұрын
@@OjoRojo40 True, people need to understand analytics is just a tool to help you. Apply stats with actual BBall context is the right wat of using math.
@jrome1771 Жыл бұрын
Uhhhh, taking a 60 win team to 70 wins is almost mathematically impossible just based on how "many" teams won 70 games. First, if a team wins 60 games it is already a good team in the first place, adding a primary star will just skew the balance, because let's say....Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum led the Celtics to 60 wins. Then you add Giannis or Durant on that team, it might or might not win 70 games, because the 82 game season is a marathon. Durant or Giannis will eat up touches and shots from JB and JT., it will be good because it lessens the fatigue, it can also be bad because it will disrupt their rhythm on being the primary 2 guys. Then IF IFI IF IF they win 70 games, how can you attribute that to the new guy? Because he elevated them to new heights. But they are already on top in the first place. If anything, it will just be a knock on those guys because they are three prime stars who teamed up to make things easier for them. Now, taking a crappy 20 win teams to 60 wins is more impressive. One very good example is Larry Bird. 29 wins to 61 wins wihgtout any major changes in the roster. It just means the personnel is not that good from the get go. Tim Duncan's 20 wins to 56 wins is not that impressive. Admiral only played 6 games the season prior and the Spurs just tanked. In Duncan's first year, the Admiral, though still not 100%, played 73 games to help the team win 56 games.
@ouss4 жыл бұрын
the shade on Russ 11:20 🤣
@Flugs04 жыл бұрын
lmao he deliberately chose the 1 to grab the rebound
@kennytheJETT4 жыл бұрын
That’s not shade it what happened
@panner114 жыл бұрын
@@kennytheJETT yep Adam's defensive rebounding percentage is pretty much double this year compared to last year just to confirm.
@benybudi57964 жыл бұрын
When u are a data scientist and a hoop junky at the same time
@flyingchimp124 жыл бұрын
Beny Budi and I love it
@aleksaprelic98274 жыл бұрын
This is crazy quality content. Keep up the work, you're the best!
@laslog4 жыл бұрын
insanely good video. Thank you for the effort and quality of your work. I'am glad to be your patreon.
@nofuture_at_all4 жыл бұрын
I will watch this tomorrow, enough numbers for today.
@litesout0_o6394 жыл бұрын
Lol
@flyingchimp124 жыл бұрын
no future at all shits basic
@kingkhigamingps77254 жыл бұрын
I love your videos but is there any way that you can make a video about kyrie’s “negative impact” on the Celtics or his other teams, I would like to see if there is really some validity to it. I’ve noticed that people often try to point out how his teams win without him. For example people try to point out that the Celtics are doing way better but in reality they have 2 wins (Bucks and Mavs) and 3 loses (76ers, Nuggets and Clippers) actual playoff contenders and up to this point most other wins are form teams that are 8th-7th seed teams and garbage like the Knicks (3 times), Cavs, Warriors, Hornets, Suns, and Nets (without Kyrie and LeVert their best scorers). Not that they are not a good team but you can just pull stats out of your ass with little to no context and justify whatever you say especially if there is a big market fan base that hates him and will further the claims that they are not where they could be because of him.
@fazeedkotta25804 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see this
@anguishingquark4 жыл бұрын
He was great on Cleveland because they relied on him and LeBron so much but like LeBron he is stifled when he has to play for a real coach
@malachi40434 жыл бұрын
Its hard to measure his leadership and the impact because he still is a talented player
@kingkhigamingps77254 жыл бұрын
Malachi That’s why I think Thinking Basketball can because he did a similar analysis with Westbrook
@fazeedkotta25804 жыл бұрын
@@malachi4043 I saw a video which explained how wilts numbers were amazing in his first few years but because of that his teammates suffered because they didn't get the ball enough. The same thing applied to Jordan and I think a similar sort of thing is happening with him. He's playing amazing but without passing it, his team suffers.
@davidsauriol87844 жыл бұрын
Love this Ben, along with Seth Partnow in my opinion the two of you are the best basketball thinkers/ analysts working in the public sphere. Always thoroughly enjoy your analysis and learn from it.
@sticky-fingers4 жыл бұрын
There will be no "Holly Grail of stats" until the impact of the defense can be properly measured.
@droppingbombs16454 жыл бұрын
I dont think there can ever be a Holy Grail of Stats because the game is too complex and nuanced. Every single action on a basketball court effects every other action, and there is no way to isolate and assign value to all of these different things. Additionally, all movements need to be judged in the context of when they are happening (ie. game situation, defensive or offensive system, shot clock position, foul counts, ect.).
@ronalddomholdt47784 жыл бұрын
I mean, there’s not a “holy grail” in the broad scope of what it is “supposed to be” so I feel like that’s kinda the point here. You’re chasing something you’ll never gain.
@themanape4 жыл бұрын
There's no Holy Grail of stats unless you can prove that your stats helped you to win your game.
@ckq4 жыл бұрын
Ideally, if you could track every movement and quantify the value of each screen, pass, shot, rebound, etc. you can find the expected points added similar to football to show how many points above average each player adds and then adjust for opponent difficulty.
@Riri-oj1zs3 жыл бұрын
It is not going to happen becuase basketball is not all about stats. Humans are not computers. They/We have the ability to go over the limit.
@sarperkizilkaya45313 жыл бұрын
Watching it for the 10th time still the best video on this website
@jareddavis42184 жыл бұрын
You’re my favourite KZfaqr! Amazing content
@michaelchung15264 жыл бұрын
As a Canadian who knew next to nothing about basketball and started to tune in when the Raptors made their run, your videos have been essential in helping me understand this game. Thanks so much for these videos
@unopaz49703 жыл бұрын
Honestly Stats+eye test+context is how to evaluate a player
@northerniggy82614 жыл бұрын
Knowing how complex the sport actually is.. versus the simplification and use of biased heuristics (generated by our confident best-guessing brains)... makes you wonder how management/coaching staff can reliably determine not just who to hire but also which combinations of players produce the highest global impact for the team. From a community level youth basketball coach perspective... these lessons help me maintain perspective as to what can be expected.. as well as my grudging acknowledgment that no matter how much I want to find a formula to winning games... reality doesn't care about my feelings & goals.
@gideoncheung87314 жыл бұрын
dang your channel making me feel like a basketball stat wizard
@gracehelberg8804 жыл бұрын
I would love to some sort of advanced "gravity" statistic, measured by like help steps per drive or something like that. I'm not exactly sure how that would work but it would be interesting to see how many people require attention away from their primary assignment
@qwikscopez66194 жыл бұрын
There is one,on bball index (you might need to pay for it)
@doctorwilly4 жыл бұрын
u r the holy grail for sports analysis for the layman!
@ThinkingBasketball4 жыл бұрын
🙏
@doctorwilly4 жыл бұрын
@@JohnnyU-sj5gb u are nothing but an imbecile who can't finish high school math
@alexthurston99404 жыл бұрын
Wooooah I'm digging the new background music!
@EXPREEED4 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand what’s going on, but at the same time I understand
@6reps4 жыл бұрын
This channel would lose their mind when you make a GOAT video
@qwikscopez66194 жыл бұрын
hes got his all time top 40 on his website, but yeah i feel like itd be great click bait/ attention grabbing, or even if he just plugged his top 40 in videos
@willhooke4 жыл бұрын
Do you mean we will love the videos of them? Or will be angry with the verdict his metrics give? +++ He has #1 Kareem #2 MJ #3 LBJ #4 Bill Russell #5 Shaq #6 Hakeem #7 Tim Duncan #8 Kevin Garnet #9 Wilt #10 Earvin Johnson backpicks.com/2018/04/12/backpicks-goat-1-kareem-abdul-jabbar/
@TooMuchHoops4 жыл бұрын
Love this nuanced explanation. Thanks!
@juangoato4 жыл бұрын
Love this series, and everything you put out. Small note, given how often you reference Part 1, 2, etc. of this series, could you put those numbers in the titles of the videos?
@ThinkingBasketball4 жыл бұрын
Will do -- they're in a playlist now too (pinned comment).
@sophies56404 жыл бұрын
As always, thank you so much for such a high quality content. Would you do a video on other impact measuring metrics like PER, PIE,...??? What those really measure and how to best utilize them? Especually, PER is referenced a lot but I know there are lots of people who do not believe in PER at all.
@Abbad15792 жыл бұрын
PER is a horrible stat
@YeeSoest4 жыл бұрын
I thought the holy grail of player impacg judgement was the 2k teammate rating?!
@flyingchimp124 жыл бұрын
Keep this shit going, most people don’t think deep enough.
@HoldZEECheeze4 жыл бұрын
Please keep using Crumpled Jumper’s art for videos it looks sooooo good
@racuz84 жыл бұрын
Truly great concept for a vid. You'll never see this content on Undisputed or first things first
@OjoRojo404 жыл бұрын
In the end, nothing replaces basketball knowledge and feeling. That's why a good coach can make a big difference. You can compile all the numbers you want, basketball is a group activity (hence the complexity) but you'll never understand humans :)
@cormel68954 жыл бұрын
I think grading ability is better for individuals but it doesn’t quantify value. Every team has a different combination of players which may result in different outcomes just like chemical combinations, meaning certain players playing together can reach a different ceiling than & then certain combinations of players might play well against some and weak against others, regardless of how good those players are. So I think value might be one of the hardest things to measure considering there’s so many variables.
@burner13034 жыл бұрын
That's an interesting way to think about it. And in a sense, value is derived from ability. Like Steph has a high ability to hit 3's, which causes him to have a high value by causing his team to score more and thus win more. And even just finding a guy's true ability as a 3-point shooter can be difficult, let alone his value overall as a player.
@cormel68954 жыл бұрын
Burn Er Correct, for example Lopez was surprisingly a good 3 Point Shooter last season, Blake as well. When previously they didn’t even attempt them.
@VinceLyle21614 жыл бұрын
A few questions: how do you measure for the 1980 Celtics' belief that they were a better team with Larry Bird as opposed to the 1979 Celtics without him? I mean the emotions of the players who were on both teams? What about the 1994 Bulls' belief that they weren't as good a team without Michael Jordan as they were in 1993 with Michael Jordan? Also, how do you measure for other emotions players might feel, like a previously capable role player fading into the background as Bird's star rose? How does that affect his play over the course of a season? Or maybe a Bulls players' relief in 1994 that they don't have to put up with an arrogant, driven megalomaniac anymore. Might that allow a player to be a little looser, able to play a little better? Also, which players were in contract years and striving for a big payoff? Which players had signed a contract and were in cruise control? These stats can be interesting, but they treat players like automatons, some with finer tuning than others. That's not who players are. They are wildly emotional, and their emotions can have a serious bearing on how they play and how others on their team play. But because you can't quantify those emotions, you have to set them aside to engage in the argument of "who's better?" Also, how much granularity do you really need? Does it matter how much better Ernie Grunfeld was compared to M.L. Carr (or vice versa)? Does it matter if James Edwards wins the battle of soft, jump-shooting centers over Bill Cartwright? I think you can reduce your list of player evaluation to: 1. Great. 2. Really good. 3. OK. 4. Not very good. 5. Poor. This engages fewer numbers but it does engage what you can see with your own eyes.
@VinceLyle21613 жыл бұрын
@Ulysses432 I'm saying you CAN'T solve for unquantifiable emotions, but those emotions are part of every game and every player. But stat guys dodge around that fact, even though players tell you every day that they're there. Think about Vinny Johnson coming into a game for Detroit back in the 80's and hitting his first two shots. He knows he's hot that night and will keep shooting. His team knows he's hot and feeds him the ball. His coach will suspend the game plan because The Microwave is on that night. The other team gets a little nervous because a streak shooter is feeling it. All of these reactions are based on a feeling and they add up to a player's impact on a game, even though the numbers only reflect four points. There is an emotional aspect to every game that sheer numbers can't represent. They can't get you all the way there.
@VinceLyle21613 жыл бұрын
@Ulysses432 I guess we're not going to agree on a basketball video I watched nine months ago and then forgot about. Enjoy the next leg of your odyssey.
@johngriller49974 жыл бұрын
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@YevgenyBazarov18624 жыл бұрын
The only time I’ve seen this used cleverly - well done Sir.
@theobafrali91124 жыл бұрын
I respect and hate this, cognitive dissonance activated.
@johngriller49974 жыл бұрын
Andrew W. Crawford ty, ty. Theo 😂
@tikiproductions98754 жыл бұрын
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@slimeyladude4 жыл бұрын
I love your videos but I hope new basketball fans take what you're saying with a grain of salt, because you can't fully equate basketball to any scientific median. Otherwise this is the best and most thought out content on youtube, you deserve way more subscribers bro
@Van_ax4 жыл бұрын
Can you elaborate
@slimeyladude4 жыл бұрын
@@Van_ax as in people who don't really understand what makes a player great or dominant. One shouldn't be weighted solely on numbers and stats. True dominance is seen with the eye not science. However this channel does great at breaking down what we as fans are watching and helping us more understand the game in a new lens
@slimeyladude4 жыл бұрын
@@Van_ax or as in saying someone is better than the other based off PER100 etc. There are too many variables in the game of basketball like wayyy too many it's infinite
@VIRGUCENTAURI4 жыл бұрын
luv this channel really
@REVISCHRIST4 жыл бұрын
5:42 “really, never do this” (citing plus minus for individual games) SKIUUUUPPPPPP
@uhbayhue4 жыл бұрын
You're videos are so insightful and I love it
@brandon83474 жыл бұрын
Kyrie roasted!!!! hahaha that was beautiful. "The ball is a flat disk!"
@marcogiannini46014 жыл бұрын
Hey, where are you getting those player's cartoons/portraits you show in the videos? They are so cute...
@trevorlambert42264 жыл бұрын
As a hockey fan, I'm amazed by how much effort there is in basketball to quantify player value. I think there are way too many variables, and inconsistency in the availability of the data surrounding those variables to ever reach the "holy grail" you are looking for. So much of a player's impact is contextual. It's probably more realistic to evaluate a player's impact at the end of his career than at a particular instance in time.
@pjjeudy96334 жыл бұрын
Could you upload more videos per month please? You are truly one of the best basketball analyst out. I’m dead ass too
@arkangel51164 жыл бұрын
Please do more!!!
@vibrantsk23744 жыл бұрын
This sort of depth is reaching baseball levels of analytics
@JStem3614 жыл бұрын
Akaza with an R squared of a measily 0.159, we have a longggggggg way to go
@cynkauvanyau20594 жыл бұрын
I love the jab at westbrick s stat padding
@dinmanma26494 жыл бұрын
Love your videos man!!❤️❤️❤️
@kizitokatende412 Жыл бұрын
I love ur player animations
@raghavramki99384 жыл бұрын
Thx for another video!
@rohanpande934 жыл бұрын
Estimated wins added is a great stat
@willhooke4 жыл бұрын
Great breakdown of this :D Something to note is this: fit and synergy. Let say you have someone who really hums on a certain team. • You could pick Klay Thompson. He might go down as the best off ball moving 3 point shooter (I just made that up) ever. Above Reggie Miller and Ray Allen. Move him from Golden State, who encourages this style of play, to some static team. His rating would go down - IF how GS uses him is his best way of playing. Even though he is the same dude, and still a great player. • Likewise with James Harden, one of the best ISO players currently. Put him on the good GSW team, and he would not have as dominating effect. • Whilst Draymond was gold on those GSW teams, would his D and O be as good on a team without KD, Iguodala and Klay (team D) or KD, Klay and Curry (team O)? It is the synergy and being able to use a skillset, that is also hard to measure. Great questions and answers from you Ben!
@3isthenew14 жыл бұрын
When will part 6 be out?
@bielzenef4 жыл бұрын
I don't know dude it's almost as if you have to watch guys play and not only look at % to figure out what's going on. Great video, keep it up.
@alexeyayzin85124 жыл бұрын
And do more math. Important to be aware of biases in both cases.
@burner13034 жыл бұрын
It works both ways though. There are plenty of players who can hit a flashy move and cause you to overrate their impact if you only watch film.
@alexrobles54304 жыл бұрын
I got a way to measure a players impact, it’s called the eye test! Great video btw, as always
@BlueHundred14 жыл бұрын
The eye test is crazy inconsistent. No set of eyes are the same. People value different things. Stats attempt to paint a picture and give context. No such thing as a perfect stat, which is what this vid/series is about.
@alexrobles54304 жыл бұрын
BlueHundred someone should tell the Houston rockets in the playoffs
@footballplayerratings4 жыл бұрын
Very nice video on plus minus. Would be great to see another video focusing on details of the more advanced versions. Also, are any professional teams still using any form of RAPM, or has it been replaced by other metrics by now?
@anthonynorman75454 жыл бұрын
This is a delicious mathematical meal that I'll have to enjoy again to fully appreciate!
@chris_22084 жыл бұрын
So many calculations. Hopefully one day we get unified calculation that looks into all factors including when players are sick, depressed, and insomniac.
@Wallyworld303 жыл бұрын
You mentioned how changing a players PPG by just 2 can change their ranking a TON for mid level players are just a little with Top Scorers. I checked with Giannis '20-'21 Season. 28.1 PPG (Ranked 5) reduced by 2 PPG only drops him to 13th. So that would only drop him 8 spots. Pretty nutz.
@panaceiasuberes6464 Жыл бұрын
I miss these videos...
@dutchpackdior21784 жыл бұрын
Love yo channel bro
@p382742937423y44 жыл бұрын
I really like your advanced thinking on this stuff. Though I do realise you really have to understand the game before you can interpret the numbers. I love how you distuingish for context. Next stop, psychology and likebility in the mix? I saw in one of your video's an example of Anthony Davis not passing to Caruso, and I thought that he is perhaps not trusted as much as other players, and Davis might not have missed the pass, but simply not trusted Caruso enough to pass the rock.
@berryesseen4 жыл бұрын
This plus minus statistics doesn’t seem to me very effective just because it really depends on who plays with whom. In most cases, starters play against opponent’s starters and bench players play against other bench players. For example, a plus minus of a bench player can be much higher than a starter, just because he is playing against a weaker team all the time. In order to solve this, we should also look at situations like a starter plays as a bench, and a bench plays as a starter. But of course, coaches don’t do this most of the time.
@Dan-ks9vz4 жыл бұрын
11:30... And this is where you can get into the wonderful world of microstats (I'm coming from the world of hockey, but it seems like people could certainly track boxouts, boxouts from certain locations, probably some other stuff in rebounding alone) also I will say, QoC, in hockey at least has a very small impact on individual players, you usually end up going against the star players of the other team around the same % of your toi compared everyone else on your team, coaches can't control who the other team has out, I would assume it's somewhat similar in basketball
@ishmeetsingh56724 жыл бұрын
11:20 haha Westbrook sneakin
@YeeSoest4 жыл бұрын
Why can I never find someone to debate this data with at parties? Oh...I have an idea...ooh...
@danielwatkins28244 жыл бұрын
This ruled, thanks!
@qwikscopez66194 жыл бұрын
Ben I think a video titled "Why PER needs to be retired" would do well
@dominic64tblightning244 жыл бұрын
i’m a big fan of Evolving Hockey’s RAPM in hockey, which is based on the basketball version
@Eltalstro4 жыл бұрын
"Basketball is my favourite sport I like the way they dribble up and down the court"
@dood9494 жыл бұрын
What programs do you use to create your graphics and graphs?
@Stretch2134 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. But hard to do. It's cool to keep thinking though on all points
@thereal415er Жыл бұрын
Have always been interested on how the weakness of the eastern conference contributed to LeBron high stats vs the toughness of the western conference contributing to the stats of someone like Kobe.
@JohnImegi5 ай бұрын
Bron average more points vs the West than kobe did
@thomashaan084 жыл бұрын
Great video! It seems like the adjusted plus-minus indicator also does not really account for whether the used point differentials were created in for example "garbage time" minutes versus say "crunch time" minutes. Is that correct?
@Sizdothyx4 жыл бұрын
There should be more measurement of intangibles: 1. Open Man/Defensive Lapse leading to opponent bucket 2. Contested Shots against opposing players resulting in a miss 3. Help defense movement resulting in turnovers
@qwikscopez66194 жыл бұрын
The second is publicly available, I'd reccomend checking out 538s raptor which includes this and many other things fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-our-raptor-metric-works/
@posthocprior10 ай бұрын
If I have time: may convert the graph “APM Ballparks”, at 9:35 in the video, to a log-log scale. This may reduce the sensitivity of the graph and, further, allow a multi-dimensional representation with other stats to see if they’re scale invariant to APM.
@fgcwaterboy4 жыл бұрын
Can you reupload your analysis on Kawhi Leonard?
@zakw114 жыл бұрын
are you gonna do a vid on defensive stats? ive always wanted a good way to quantify individual defense but it seems like its almost impossible
@nameyourchannel8384 жыл бұрын
Talking about impact and not talking about nash's impact on the 2004-2005 suns
@jamesbenedict75164 жыл бұрын
The only number that can justify their greatness is the number worn on their backs
@michaelbrantley60394 жыл бұрын
Do an episode about the Hollinger gamescore statistic....jimmy highroller did a bit recently about it and Jordan and hardens high all time rankings for the star and speculating how wilt would have all the top spots for the star had blocks and other stats been tracked back then....but it is an all encompassing stat similar to PER or box plus minus. Please check it out and do what you can. I'm eager to learn more and get your take on the metric as I had never heard of it before that video but it's apparently been around for awhile
@qwikscopez66194 жыл бұрын
Game score if memory serves is based on PER, while game score is decent for seeing how good a player played relative to themselves, PER is a very poor stat for guaging player impact, most of the advanced stat community are calling for the retirement of PER
@qwikscopez66194 жыл бұрын
@@JohnnyU-sj5gb what? I didn't say anything about harden lol, but you're correct he does very well in all advanced stats
@wyattfriend736010 ай бұрын
This is the best math ever
@moffo26264 жыл бұрын
All I know when Jordan left, the Bulls became a semi deep run playoff team to when Jordan was on it, they were a dynasty. Biggest difference right there
@qwikscopez66194 жыл бұрын
Hey Ben, it seems clear that from a statical standpoint the best offensive players influence the game more than the best defenders (does this include playoffs?) However it seems alot more common that there's high impact offensive players, does that make those great defenders more valuable from a corp standpoint if thinking as a gm? (not necessarily impactful) since they are harder to replace?
@akshaaykrishnan79574 жыл бұрын
The isolating impact analysis can possibly show that Kobe wasn't carried by others for his chips
@rayperez63222 жыл бұрын
Can we create a 2k rating system, a FIFA like rating system for Current NBA players that updates weekly for the NBA pros to accurately gauges how well they are playing further cementing MVP future races between the top 5 NBA stars going forward. hmm hmm.
@samballtalk4 жыл бұрын
don't think a player's value will ever be captured by a single stat. you might get a good idea of how someone played in a single game through a stat sheet, but film needs to be utilized too. if you never watched a game and just saw stats from warriors games, you'd never know how easy steph curry made the game for KD.
@qwikscopez66194 жыл бұрын
No there's plenty of stats that show how easy Steph made life for KD, however I'm not saying you shouldn't watch it, and neither is Ben infact you'll notice that he's very film heavy and all the true advanced statisticians jobs start with film, no experienced stats person just looks at a number and trusts it blindly
@williamblake73864 жыл бұрын
highest level of art and science. you are better than bob ross and neil tyson combined.
@frost9239 Жыл бұрын
amazing
@CuggaFan4 жыл бұрын
We need a video on dennis rodman
@alfyandrewson4 жыл бұрын
the first year bird played was the year the 3 point came in though. that could be a large factor too
@jeremyhart5574 жыл бұрын
You should do a skill nd defense video were the 90s and 80s players really plumbers and I wanna see who guarded mj to
@ghosthand91094 жыл бұрын
This Shit let me feel like Im in School again so complex
@nathanielbrill15233 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't the whole net value be changed from how many your team scored to how many more your team scored than the opponent? Or is it already like that? If it is already like that, doesn't it already take into account everything defensively?
@rasheedturner35324 жыл бұрын
Can you do breakdown and analysis on michael jordan and/bird all the greats just so we can see what really made them good
@irishgrl3 жыл бұрын
I think the noise about “how good is the player replacing you?” Or “how good are your teammates?” is ridiculous. It sounds like excuse making, especially when the focus is supposed to be the impact of one particular player, not all the rest of the players on the team. It gets even more ridiculous when you have to do the same calculation for every replacement player ad infinitum. The most intuitive approach is to look at the addition or the absence of the player in question. Especially when the only difference is THAT player in THAT season. It muddies the waters to factor in (for example) the age or health of every other player on the team since those factors would stay the same WITH the player in question versus WITHOUT him. It just all smacks of apologism imo. Excuse making. Trying to justify someone’s (cough* MJ *cough) surprisingly low impact by including or excluding factors that perhaps shouldn’t be. Sometimes the simplest approach makes the most sense. Said another way: the most convoluted explanation isn’t necessarily the right one.
@s.s73373 жыл бұрын
Are you dumb?😂 Bulls with MJ= 3 straight titles and Bulls without MJ= second round exit despite adding many good role players in the off season. And it's funny how in 1995 that same Bulls team was struggling to make the playoffs until Jordan came back for the last 17 games so they couldn't even keep it up for two whole seasons😬