Yeah that was great!

The face Laurie makes right afther is brilliant. He knows that he saved them all

​@@sirgold6187the faces he makes are always the best

I've never been so shocked by a moment in clocktower history lmao, that was incredible.

I knew that was smart when it happened, but for completely different reasons. I imagine Dom and Sully’s hearts were racing out of the chest and Laurie was screaming for joy internally.

I know that was brilliant!!

I'd say Dom was on fire for quotes this time, but let's be honest: he always is.

Same here! 1:17:57 if anyone wants to watch it again, so good!

dom you are the demon and these are your piglets XD

That, and Ivan not tying the votes to get day 5

I wish there were spoiler tags on youtube comments... 🥲

@@The_Curious_Cat - Dom was already on the block at that point. Evil had already effectively lost and was throwing Hail Marys.

Again the evil team lost because of Sully. This time not as bad as the previous.

Laurie also didnt told Holly she was a marionette

ooooh, thanks for the context! i

Lmfao yeah. Speaking of, funny how in The Traitors coming out with that info *only* backfired for Tom & Alex lol

To be fair John has incredible bad luck at being poisoned or drunk in some fashion.

Jon + Leviathan game = 🤣🤣🤣

He was probably the one who needed the dummy check the most. But not in the way he thought xD

And while everyone else is was laughing notice dom putting his poker face on

It's hard not to feel like Ben had a vendetta against the evil team. If you look at all the clues he gave in the game he really backed the evil team into a corner with no means of escape. Maybe I'm just being salty, but it feels like a massive misplay by Ben with the clues given this game, almost like he wanted the good team to win.

I have to agree with this, sadly. Giving a drunk Savant absolutely gamesolving info (with both statements, which also benefits other members of his team passively) at this point in the game, when his team was already on the path to victory, is just not good storytelling. No matter how you look at it.

@@web_angel1099 I don't think it was a vendetta against the evil team, I think the evil team had a lot of advantages from the setup and Ben was trying to rebalance the game back toward 50/50. Three Village Idiots with two of them drunk can be crippling because if they compare notes, they're going to think the drunk info is the correct info. Ben knew this, he even said multiple times that he was backed into a corner and had to do it because the demon was randomly sat between 2 Village Idiots and one of them had to become Marionette -- which is not ideal. It's also fine to give a drunk Savant a bunch of true information because they're going to think half of it is false. Dom & Laurie correctly read the board that Blair was going to solve the game, they hatched a plan, Sullivan botched the execution by not talking to Blair soon enough with the 2nd Marionette bluff to try to compromise the Balloonist info. The fact that Dom was in the Balloonist 4 and people were trying to target outside of the Balloonist 4 was damning that it was an attempt to get the demon off the block.

@@Phyrre56 - Ivan had already wiped the Marionette Village Idiot issue off the map by claiming VI and (accidentally?) cosigning all of the correct VI info. No one even believed Sully was a VI at that point, ironically, despite the fact that he technically was and the person they accepted over him was completely lying.

@@web_angel1099 Nah, Ben did a great job of balancing the scales all throughout the game. This was a nail biter through and through. The only reason why Dom got outed as the Demon was because he happened to be the first to be nominated by Beccy, who was the only one certain of her info, and even she started doubting herself after the fact. Had it not been for Ken keeping the good team disciplined not to tie the vote, they could've easily lost this one. I honestly can't imagine a better way to do what Ben did given the circumstances and I feel he did great, and the game was saved several times from being pure guesswork and staying true to it being a convoluted puzzle.

What game was this? I'd love to see it!

​@@alicehodges483 It's one of the earlier games on the channel. The thumbnail is Sullivan with red eyes, the title is something like "the new face of evil", you can find it if you scroll down the playlist. It's a good game overall but fair warning for some madness-breaking that Ben let slide because they were new players; if you're the kind of person who gets really annoyed by that kind of thing you probably won't have fun with it.

​@crocuslament9680 the tile is "Panic has a new face"

Just knowing who’s involved, yeah…

Flashback to the little monster game where he was poisoner

or if you had a coin for everytime he thought he was useless but wasnt in a leviathan game

Jon getting screwed over in hilarious ways is his main appeal in BotC, let's be honest. Poor sap is the perfect blend of unlucky, somewhat naïve and fun to see react to get quite a lot of fun moments.

It's so hard to get an intentional Evil Politician win because you have to play so loudly and your loud play has to swing the game. I think a better approach is to try to play for Good and only switch to Evil if you've somehow gained enough leverage (like in a key vote) that you can swing the game in a single unilateral move. Otherwise it's just too hard because your loud play is going to make everyone suspicious of you and therefore cautious about following your plan.

Agreed! Everyone looks great but Tilly just has so much style!

Tilly's outfit is so good!

that's what i thought in the beginning. "Oh, new role and Holly is in the Game? Damn i know what will happen..." xD

and then she manages to guess the evil team while poisoned?!? Insane!

Ben is adamant on the TPI channel that characters change the game by being on script and therefore has run reveal videos without the role.

@@hapalops3905 Sure, but Holly would have seen the characters in the script, noticed the new ones, and thought, "Well, I am the protagonist!" and taken it.

@@3enCooper exactly! she's a egocentric person, she WILL take the new role, because if they win because of it, it wold've been her, who led them to victory. That's Holly xD

Yep, and then failed to tie the vote when he had a perfect opportunity to do so

She and "Gootz" (previous Uhm, Actually fact checker) have been playing Clocktower on Chris' stream for a while now. I'm actually hoping the "crossover" might go in the other direction and we eventually get to see Dom on a piece of Dropout content.

@@seandeignan6615 Chris has definitely been on Dropout stuff so I've been feeling the same way since I saw he started a BotC stream.

@@seandeignan6615 um actually, are you sure he was a fact checker ? In the early series maybe? because afaik it was Michael Saltzman, Brennan Lee Mulligan. and Jessica Clemons. I remember him being an all-star contestant. Thanks for the info about the BotC videos, and for those like me who dont know the channel either , it's Noobs on the Gooftower.

​@@flanbeaulove how you came in and fact checked a fact about fact checkers

And she solved the game!

Especially with how he's dressed...

I can't believe Ivan Brett from The Traitors got the Witch

I can’t believe Ivan Brett from the Traitors got the Widow

I can't believe Ivan Brett from The Traitors got Ivan Brett from The Traitors

I can't believe Laurie got Ivan Brett from The Traitors

True we need the shirts!

Oh Brennan would be great

Absolutely! We need this

Was there another dropout type crossover I missed??

​@@codymarshall587 I think they mean Chris Grace; this video isn't his first appearance in the series and he's been on dropout

By the end of the game, Brennan will overthrow one or both of the storytellers, the demon, the saint, and the atheist, 2 of which weren't supposed to be in the game but Brennan would manage anyway.

Blair would have no reason to not still say Dom. She already outted Sullivan at that point and she wouldn't care if she outted a different minion or not.

@@simcowgames981 this argument would count if Alsaahir wasn't in the game tho

I mean, the character token is a spider.

He used to be a regular on board game club back during the pandemic era/ early days of studio. I wonder why it's no longer the case.

++++

Yeah, I know he loves his role in these vids, but he should get to be a player again soon, as reward for his great work (if he wants to, of course) as with Rosie who I think is behind the scenes on these.

I might be wrong but I think he posted he didn’t feel comfortable being playing games and making jokes. But he felt more comfortable as a host

I’ve missed his voice

Yes!

I want the finale for next season of game hanger to be task master, have sully be the alex Horne to Sam's Greg it would be perfect

I want sully, tilly and dom on D20. The british season of Unsleeping City.

@travisperkins9920 they can be K2 party!

They got 6 votes because Dom voted for himself, thus making him seem super good, cause why would you overvote as the Demon? I think it was the only way evil could have won, and they were (kinda) close. In Day 5, Ivan would have played as evil and maybe Dom would have been safe enough to avoid execution.

@@sebastianbaquero7227, no one else took enough suspicion off of Dom to allow the game to continue. His seventh vote made it hard for anyone to beat it, whereas Ken got 6 votes, which, without Dom's seventh vote might have been enough to tie the vote and take the game to a fifth day.

Yeah obv hindsight is 20/20 but I think if Dom didn’t vote himself they probably could’ve pushed for 7 on one of the other votes, but they got their early lunch lmao

@@zamalamahama4894, yeah, lunch does take precedence. 😁

@@TheQrstOne Yeah but I don't think Ken would have gotten 6 votes if Dom didn't vote for himself. So I don't think it would have changed much.

I was really surprised he didn't do it, and was hoping on the next day he got Blair to get Tilly on side. It was a way better chance, but then again, we have all the info they don't

I hadn’t caught Laurie’s face there the first time 😂

Tom looks around at everybody, it stands out to us because we have the knowledge that Dom was the demon; but to everyone else it wouldn't really mean anything at all

you cant actually tell who he's looking at. they also do that bit probably about 5 times because its a scripted bit

It shouldn't really. Unless you're a politician, you have no reason to vote on yourself in that situation. So that vote guarantees he's evil (he could still be a minion of course). You don't overvote yourself as good on a Leviathan game.

Well, *now* she is. In an episode of her Good Time Society board game show, she admitted that as a teenager, she was a huge bully 😅 Good thing she grew out of that, eh?

@@IceMetalPunk why even bring that up in this context?

@@star_of_light Just a tongue in cheek tangent because the OP said she's "such a great person in general" 😁 Don't get me wrong, I love her too, I just also like the juxtaposition of how sweet she is vs how she said she used to be

@@IceMetalPunk Teenagers are famously assholes. She might as well have said water is wet.

@@IceMetalPunkok but you should be aware of how mean spirited your comment came across😐

Sully just needed to get Blair onside earlier. She learned Dom last, had she been gaslit into thinking she was the Marionette earlier, Sullivan could have said "Dom is a minion, throw shade at Laurie instead".

@@tylercase5748 Agreed. The game was dead for evil long before then. Blair getting her fourth name was a death sentence.

😂 Just last week I was reminding my sister of the time when, as teenagers, she gave me a concussion while my mom was out doing errands... your description is 100% accurate

Pretty sure that's because Chris knows all the Dropout people. He started his own little Clocktower stream a few months ago and just started dragging Dropout folks in to learn the game. Becca's first couple games were pretty recent IIRC. How NRB and Chris know each other, I'm not sure but it might *also* be Clocktower. I know at least John and Holly play it in their spare time.

Sullivans actually met Sam reich before! He mentioned it on one of the Patreon podcasts

@@0rbeez thats fun!

@@0rbeez Oh, cool! Ignore everything I said then.

@@0rbeez I need Sully on Make some noises... And Dom too, but that's just because it's Dom, I need him on everything.

Ken played really well, but he also convinced Jon not to follow Holly on the day he should have, then threw another huge wrench into the good team's play next day (forgot the details). They were the right thing to do from his PoV, but they happened to be hurting the ood team a lot.

Trying to recruit the Politician is a HUGE risk because they can out you and have a much easier time winning with the good team. Not to mention Ivan won in the end anyway.

I think Ben was definitely trying to do a “everyone thinks Chris is puzzle drunk, so I give true information” I think the other part of the downfall was giving Holly to the puzzlemaster. Holly was never seen as evil so giving a player who was one of the more trusted as the demon just makes it even more likely that dom is a demon and chris is puzzledrunk. I think if the name given was Sully, Blair, or even Laurie, evil could’ve definitely tried to build a world where dom is puzzle drunk and demon is elsewhere

I think on pure info alone Holly is a pretty good shout, as it's easy to imagine how the alsahir philosopher claim could have been an evil bluff. But since no one had cast suspicion on her, people weren't as inclined to seriously consider that worldview. Hard to say who would have been a better choice though. Blair?

I needed to sleep three hours ago. Why am I still checked the comments 😖

He won the game for good.

@@coutinho9093 yea but as Ben said, if Ivan tied the votes to get Dom off the block, he would have given him the switch to Evil if they won so he was winning this game no matter what, but I guess he just really wanted lunch

It's so much better than its reputation. Yes, the script needs to be well judged but it can give the game a flavour that comes much closer to a genuine mystery/puzzle and really leans into bluffs. It also, and I like this more than some, diminishes storyteller meddling to a greater degree too.

who is Becca Scott?

@@csarmiishe was the sober village idiot - I agree and she played a great game imo

@@lawyerd16 I agree I just never heard of her before. Should I have?

@@csarmii I mostly know her from her work with Chaosium and Call of Chtulu RPG, she’s run some great games online and occasionally played fun characters as well, I’d recommend you check it out if you’re interested in something more story-based. 👍

@@lawyerd16 thanks

Only if they'd tracked it! And Jon seemed to genuinely believe he'd been copying Holly all the way through, so it was nearly discarded completely

Sure, but you can't out everything to the politician because they can turn on you at a moments notice. Laurie should have outed that he was the Widow (he had to know Ivan was sitting on the ping) but AT BEST he can only tell Ivan who a good person to push on is. If he outs the whole evil team, Ivan can just decide to stay good and out everything.

Recruiting the politician is always a risk. Politician only wins for evil if they are the single player MOST responsible for their team losing. It’s a bonus win condition for them, but the easiest way for them to win is still on the good team. A storyteller could conclude that even the act of the widow recruiting them made the widow as influential, if not moreso, than the politician, even if the politician goes on to tank for the good team. If the storyteller concludes that the politician probably wouldn’t have lost the game for good, if not actively recruited for evil, it’s very possible they wouldn’t switch the politician anyway. Plus, any blunder by another good player, even unintentionally, such as a drunk player belligerently insisting on their info being correct, or even something like a philosopher accidentally making a key role drunk and then fumbling the use of the power (eg, if Holly had actually permanently made John drunk, and he guessed right, while she continually guessed wrong) can prevent you switching, even if you try hard to tank for your team. If Laurie recruits Ivan and tries to convince him to play for evil, the best course of action for Ivan is still to our that info, and still try to win with good. If Laurie has lied to him, and he leads the charge to try and execute a good player Laurie has told him is evil, he probably wins with evil, whereas if Laurie tells him the truth, he probably wins with good. Ivan’s most interesting play may have actually been to effectively pick ANYONE in the circle, say have a private conversation with them, say “they just told me they were the widow, that they knew I was the politician, tried to convince me to play for evil, and I said I would… they told me the evil team, which I’ve confirmed with them, but I want to win with good. Here’s who we need to execute. The only thing I’m not sure of is if they are lying about their roles. But we can safely execute all 3” if they buy it, it’s highly likely he switches roles, and on the off chance he guesses right, he still wins with good.

He won that one game a few months ago where he, as a Minion, claimed the Damsel. Ken-RB I believe it was called? Also I remember him winning a Live BotC as a Zombuul and telling his minions to suckle on him at the end. Where are you getting this idea Dom never wins as evil?

@@RandomTask5263 I have watched them all, afaik, and I never really checked back over all the episodes but I did have the impression he never won as evil. My bad. I'll look up those episodes

Edit: This went straight to KZfaq, didn't it? This wasn't one of the Patreon ones. That makes sense. I might be thinking of patreon exclusive BOTC videos. Well there have been some Patreon exclusive BotC's where Dom was evil and on the winning team. Wink wink

@@RandomTask5263 Ah, I kept meaning to join the Patreon, that sold me! Email them for your 10% finders fee! 😁

This happened in an NRB game. Sullivan was the spy and Jon was the lunatic. Great silly game

playing the middle and pushing anything in hopes of doing the most is literally all the politician is SUPPOSED to do, regardless of who they win with. Politician is a gamble. You have to simultaneously out evil the evil team while not LOOKING evil enough that everyone realizes you're Politician and ignores you.

@@deadersurvival4716 - Again, they win with Good even if they don't do the most for Good. So, no, unless you think your "doing the most" is helping Evil, there's no reason to "do the most" in that way. Admittedly, I don't know how good he felt about the accuracy of the information he decided to cosign, but that ambiguity is the problem. Crafting an elaborate series of lies to swing people only helps you win with one team, unless you get really lucky and the BS your pushing (and it is BS) just so happens to be exactly right. That's why I say he won despite himself. Because all his machinations were only necessary if he was trying to win with Evil, so I don't buy that he was at any point deliberately helping Good with his lies. He just got lucky in that his lies turned out to be in support of someone who was exactly right.

@@JCPRuckus Let me reiterate, it's that exactly what makes the character work. That ambiguity is INTENTIONAL. Again, regardless of the result, a Politician's goal is to have a hand in both sides. Just because they don't have to do the most "for good" like they do with evil doesn't mean they don't have to play for good. In fact, that plausible deniability is exactly what the character NEEDS in order to work. Otherwise, it would simply be a fourth evil character in the form of a glorified marionette that isn't restricted to the demon's neighbor. His goal, as a character, is to help both sides and pick who he thinks has the best shot of winning right at the end.

@@deadersurvival4716 - Let ME reiterate. I understand that the character is supposed to have a stake in both sides. But based on his actions, I don't believe he thought he was actually working for Good with what he was doing. He was clearly setting himself up to be "doing the most" for Evil, and it just so happened that the "chaos" he chose to sow in order to accomplish that accidentally turned out to actually be backing the one Good character who was on track the whole game. Like I said, he won despite himself, because it looks like all of his machinations to be "doing the most" for Evil actually made Good more confident about the right answer, which I do not believe was his original intent.

@@JCPRuckus And pray tell, how do you figure that in a way that isn't simply keeping his options open? Hell, his lack of voting on the final day was what put the nail in the coffin on the Evil team, since everyone knew it was Dom. Even Daddy Ben called attention to the fact that if he had simply tied the vote (getting Dom off the block) and evil had won, Ben would have given Ian the swap. Please tell me how he was doing the most when he didn't do the ONE thing that would have given the evil team a CHANCE that even BEN acknowledged. So please, fill us in on that. I'll wait.

Changes? They've changed baloonist? What is it now?

@@ErekLichlooks like it’s now [+0 or +1 outsiders]

@@davidjmarland Even more importantly, it isn't shown players of different character types each night, but rather of a different character type from the previous night (not worrying about nights before the previous night). So it could be townsfolk, outsider, townsfolk, minion, etc. Also means it can get information past 4 nights, if it lasts long enough.

I mean, the official BotC wiki page for the Balloonist was only updated *yesterday* so, yeah 😂 (To anyone reading this in the future: the wiki was changed on June 27, 2024.)

Well that sucks, it was one of the only really good abilities...

She has not played much. I watched her play on Chris' channel just a few months ago and it was clear she was still learning the game.

Pairing up with Ken was a strong move, and together they put a lot of the pieces of the puzzle in place.

I mean last game Laurie won right

@@DespOIcito 1 out of what? 30?

​​@@DespOIcitoyou mean the one where Laurie immediately reacted with declaring he will retire from Clocktower? He basically only wins games where his role is passive either by design or action. As major he had to be passive till the round where it counted. In the only other Laurie victory that I remember he was made mad to be the mutant the whole game. Still declared ecstatic he alone was responsible for the victory (when in reality the evil team killed itself due to snake charmer pit hag interaction). As a minion or demon I can't remember Laurie winning. Ever.

@@MrTomasNavarro yes I know the joke is that Laurie's always on the losing team, my comment was poking fun at how the game literally right before this subverted that expectation so it's funny to treat it as a spoiler

@@BobHerzog1962 yes, I'm aware of the series I'm confused by what you're getting at with that second part. It comes across like you're saying he's just bad at clocktower and can only win if he's handed a freebie. Even in the Mayor game where his role had no ability he worked his ass off to gain trust. He was being framed by Evils and dead Tilly was doubleclaiming him. It feels weird to say he can only win when he's essentially just idle because it assumes his losses are always somehow his fault when oftentimes they're not, it's just unfortunate/funny coincidence

lmao you're right!