Thanks for clarifying! It’s interesting to see how the experimental characters get, well, experimented with before they’re released! I also assume that if we see any Kings later this season on NRB, they’ll be played with the old King text?

so what does it do then?

@@akadam90 it changes to the alignment of the chosen person n1, but then if the chosen person later changes alignment, the ogre stays as the alignment they were n1

@@quetuo3908 ahright gotya, thanks.

NRB needs to pin this. :)

Yes, this was an amazing bit of play by two truly professional evil players.

SPOILERS!!!!!!! to bad the fumbled at the end

at first I was like "why didn't they just tell Sully bc they're all evil, why not get him on side??" but you're right, he could have been bluffing!

genuniely peak improv there, fantastic stuff to see

Ken was actually trying to pass a lot of information secretly. For example, during the day on day 1 31:50 Ken gossiped that Sullivan and Dom were the demon - he was trying to tip Sullivan off that Dom was the demon and he was on the evil team. Also, when Ken nominates Dom near the end of the game 1:26:43 as part of his prosecution he mentions that there's an Amnesiac who pinged Dom as evil, trying to tip Dom off that there was an Amnesiac with a powerful ability in play.

And I would like to add that it was not an easy one

Yeah, it is a bit of a shame he wasn't here. He and Ken going up against each other is always fun. :)

Remember; Lorrie is my demon.

Which video is it? Can you say the name or link it please

Bring back Isaac

It is amazing how often, "But surely BOTH of you can't be evil", turns out to be wrong... Lol

Same vibes as "they can't all be Sullivan" - and equally wrong

Yeah, that was mean of Laurie to underestimate Mara

followed up by "I don't know, the demon seems like not so bad a guy" by Ken, literally playing Devil's Advocate

But he was also given a softball by the storytellers, and then later again.

THEN TILLY dunks it in. What an evil team.

and then... what an end. Unreal.

hes seriously my favorite, which is why I am mad at dom for throwing by killing him, having the extra evil vote would of made winning this sm easier

@@toomuchfreetime2637 If Dom tried to kill Laurie (Mayor), it could have bounced to Ken (same situation as what happened) or Mara (anything could happen depending on ghost votes). Evil team were in a tricky situation at the very end.

@Takyodor2 trying to kill Laurie is also bad, he should of killed Lara, it's the same situation except he has a living teammate instead of a dead one, even trying to kill Laurie is better, either you are in the same situation or you are in a better one, so you have a chance to be stronger, he had 3 choices and made the worst one

Yeah, it was a mistake to take out Ken though. Dom should have tried for the Mayor, it might still have bounced for Ken but would have been worth the chance. Everyone played well and Laurie did deserve the Mayor win, he usually gets thrown in front of the buss.

@@loke6664 I was actually thinking it through and it probably would have been better to kill the amnesiac. He could have reasonably guessed that Ken would be protecting him that day, so if Mara was dead, then as long as anyone was executed, evil wins. If I'm not mistaken, a player doesn't have to die to stop a mayor win, just be executed. So even if they found out somehow that Dom is the demon, voting him out wouldn't have killed him, and the day would end with 3 players and 1 execution, meaning evil wins automatically. All they had to do was push that Laurie probably isn't the mayor, and I think they could have done that pretty easily. There was enough doubt there to scare people into voting someone. But also.... WHY DID KEN VOTE WHEN HE DID??? If it had tied, Dom still had the opportunity to bluff some reason why he would rather nominate Mara than no one, and then they could try to convince the ghosts to go through with it. With Dom, Sully, Ellen, and Ken voting, Mara would have been killed if Dom and Laurie had tied at 3 votes each. In reality the only ghost that needs convincing there would be Ellen. I think Ken just panicked, which is fine, it's a pretty stressful game, but I think that was the final nail in the evil team's coffin lol. Everyone played very well, but a few evil team mistakes was all it took to stop the momentum they had going into the end.

There's not really any world where the Mara vote makes sense. If she's the demon, then Laurie is really the mayor and the vote is already tied, guaranteeing victory if no one votes. If she's innocent, then executing her lets the demon win. Maybe be could have blagged it, but I think muddling the waters by throwing his vote in was a better chance of them voting Mara, thinking it means Dom is innocent and killing him would ensure evil win, and their best option being to tie 4 votes or vote Mara. Sadly the vote order makes a last minute "evil adds an extra vote to push the tie over" impossible, but it's reasonable to not expect Ken to be able to calculate the exact moving parts in the moment

@@loke6664 there was no way the storytellers were going to let through that mayor kill on the last night

@@sofiipote7 No, but chances are pretty high they would have taken out Mara instead of Ken then. That still would have been too late likely, you need to get rid of the Mayor a bit earlier.

No spoilers, cuz I haven't watched it, but that was a hell of an ending.

I know Dom RKOing Laurie onto a steel chair absolutely amazing ending oops sorry for the spoilers

All spoilers but… . . . . I wouldn’t call Ken snatching defeat from the jaws of victory “amazing”

​@@kev_whatevHow did he do that exactly? I thought Ken played pretty much perfectly throughout, wasting so much of the village's time together with his ogre. If anything it was Dom's mistake of killing Ken instead of the mayor that lost them the game. If you're thinking of Ken's last second vote for Dom, he even addressed it in the ending. That would have tied the vote and it would have been impossible to convince the village not to go for a mayor victory in that case.

​​@@kev_whatevAlso spoilers: . . . . They lost as soon as Dom got up to 3 votes on him. Even with all the remaining ghost votes on Mara, she or Laurie would have to vote for her for her to be executed - and Laurie would only ever want to tie it, while Mara would never vote for herself of course. I can also see the logic, though it's flawed (in a fast-paced situation). Ken made a lot of great plays throughout, and one tactical error at the end that couldn't affect the outcome anyway, so it seems way too much to say he caused the defeat.

I assume he was probably really struggling with his bowels beyond the comedic snippets they put into the cut and people chalked it up to him being really distracted by it. Then there were just enough "attention grabbers" such as the DA/Ogre situation and the Amnesiac and the drunk information to make sure he could stay out of the spotlight.

It's a Dom-ble entendre.

Didn't get it until just now 😂

I don't get it :(

@@matroqueta6825 It's a double entendre! The good team needs to get rid of the Ojo, but also Dom just really needs to use the bathroom (he "needs to go")

The sequel to Ghost Lawyer we never knew we needed. I wonder who the voice is 😂

Holy Shit

🤣 That was incredible, "Reluctantly Created by Dominic Allen"

Was that Laurie singing??

New character incoming: The Golgothan from Dogma (poop demon)

Yeah but also Tilly has this incredulous face she pulls when she's evil and gets outed without an explanation, which she doesn't pull when she's good even if she doesn't have an explanation. Not just in Clocktower but any social deduction game. It's quite a giveaway once you realise she does it.

Holy moly! I concur. That was one heck of an ending.

Totally! She really fits in and I enjoy her on outside xbox of course as well ☺️

Came to the comments just to say this. Always glad to see Ellen.

@@RanMouri82 Ellen fanclub... Where can I sign up? 😁

It was such a nice surprise to see Ellen. I just listened to the player introductions without watching and when I heard her voice, I was like: No way 😮

Hoping. It's hope. And his hope is always ripped from his cold, demonic hands.

The episode where he outs as the "Lunatic" straight away was classic.

Jon, too

Ken is a really good player. So good that I think a lot of people don't pick up on what he's doing. I think everyone watching caught on that Ken and Dom were sharing bluffs and which bluff Ken was choosing while Sullivan was present. But I think it gets missed that Ken gossiped information meant to tip Sullivan off that he was evil and Dom was the demon: 31:50 And he tried to tip Dom off there was an Amnesiac in play with a powerful ability: 1:26:43 There was also his attempt to make Mara look suspicious by making her DA protected.

I know it's early but can we get that to the Christmas No. 1?

Her?

@@paddyjdunne yupp

@@paddyjdunne I dont remember if they used any pronouns in the video, so I just guessed on the appereance and name, but English is not my native language so I am not sure about gender-specificy of that name.

@@paddyjdunne - Why would you ask that? All that you're doing is saying "But she looks like a MAN!" Which is an extremely rude thing to point out about any woman, cis or trans.

​@@dominiksulzer1338I believe Mara was referred to as she/her throughout. 3:20ish as Ben is explaining what the Amnesiac does, for example.

Same! Would never have discover this channel except for sully on oxventure. Also yay Ellen

Really hope that all the OX crew eventually appear on NRB BOTCT, enough that they eventually start playing amongst themselves for our entertainment. (I'm including Luke in that, despite his retirement from OX)

@@bareakon luke is still very much on oxventure! so that should be a given

It's not his first win, the curse was already over.

This level of production costs a LOT of money. Most Clocktower channels have no budget and are just labors of love created by and for our little community. But we've got heart!

More Tegan!

She’s so obnoxious in every video she’s in.

@@ilovesparky13 You're entitled to your opinion, but maybe consider why you felt the need to tell people publicly that you don't like someone they do?

@@tappy8741 "It's hard not to speak up when someone loves a person or thing that I don't"? No, it's not, if you understand the concept of subjectivity and that different people are different and there's no objective right or wrong view. I dislike a lot of people that many others love, and it takes zero effort for me to be happy for them and not complain that they shouldn't be liked. Humor is subjective. Her brand of excitable humor isn't for you, and that's okay. I prefer it to quiet people in my entertainment.

@@ilovesparky13 I know right? She's amazing.

And not to mention he should've taken Mayor as the last choice. If it bounced it would have killed Ken which is fine. so I don't get his choice to pick DA.

Ken is really more to blame than Dom, and I think it was just a matter of playing chaotically as opposed to thinking things through (the Ken classic, can't be mad at it). He threw by: 1. Hiding it from Sully, which made Sully confident he was a good boy-meaning when Sullivan successfully figured out Dan was an empath it didn't scare him one bit that Dan would be able to check him in the night. He was confident his role didn't change, so he had no reason to warn Ken and Dom. 2. Saving Sully's life on the first night was intended to be a self-serving move, I get it, but Sully had to die. With Dom going for the oracle, hiding Sully's alignment change was the next biggest priority. No one cares if sus is thrown on Tilly, she's the Baron. She can die to save the reputation of both Sully and Ken. One person losing trust is better than two. This is another situation where Sully incorrectly believing the Empath wouldn't ping him since he was such a good boy unraveled the evil team's game. 3. Exerting more control over Sully. Being "on team Ken" was not utilized at all during the game, when it's a clear reason for Sully to play Butler. Tell Sully to vote with you. If Sully is voting before you and you know you're going to vote yes on someone, order him to vote for them as well so you're on the same page! 4. Throwing up his hand at the end to put Dom on the block was bad math. It might be tempting to blame Tilly as well for committing to the mayor bit and using her ghost vote on Laurie, but how could she have known the rest of the evil team wouldn't back her up? So Ken is more to blame for not realizing that saving Dom without tying the vote was literally impossible since Mara would never vote for herself*. *Possibly what Dom could've done was pretend he wasn't going to vote for Mara, forcing her to vote for herself to tie it and give a mayor win -then throw his hand up right after she voted to secure victory. I truly believe that's the only chance he had after Ken's play. I don't like criticizing plays without offering an alternative, so this is the alternative I'm suggesting that would've made Ken's maneuver work.

In the end, it's BotC. No one misplays by choosing not to trust another player, even if they're telling the truth, because we have an omniscient view into the game and they do not. I don't know why it would be more likely to assume Sully was lying about being an ogre to suss out evil players as opposed to genuinely being an ogre, particularly because it's Sully and he's not a fan of using 4D chess mindfuck plays. If Dom or not-Eve would have said it, I would understand Ken's hesitation much more. But Sully? He doesn't like playing that way, it stresses him out. You know he's being honest if he's claiming a lying-heavy role like that one. It's like if he claimed savant while being evil, it's just unlikely since it gives him a lot to keep track of. (For example, figuring out what to say when two other outsiders crop up thanks to Tilly's Baron. He would have to *know* he could get away with it, and presumably be telling multiple people he's the ogre to fish for the first minion/demon he gets? Sully would be much too nervous to try it).

All the players of the evil team beefed it this time in some way. After Dom left the Empath alive by choosing Gossip and getting Blair killed, the evil team should have pushed hard on Dan. It's very suspicious that Blair, a spent Clockmaker, would die when an Empath was outed - and it just so happens that death conveniently makes Ken the empath's neighbor, and the empath can now confirm two evil players? The evil team should not have let that stand, and no one seriously pushed the idea that Dan was lying.

​@@baydiac - I agree that Ken screwed the pooch with regards to Sully. At least tell him not to tell anyone else he's an Ogre who picked Ken, because that makes outing one of you outing both of you. Also Dom blew it not picking Empath to take the possibility of picking up a Sully team switch off the table after Sully did reveal that in the town square. But that's a more difficult play to think through than just telling Sully to be at least a little coy, which wouldn't be weird even if you're on the good team. So I still blame Ken more, even though it made for some lovely chaos... Also self-nominating day 1 with two decent kills on the block was very sus. However, I believe Dom had to vote first. So there's no way your alternative play works.

Except these are Kickstarter funded haha. Let’s not take credit away from the lovely Kickstarter backers!

I saw their episode and it was so hard to follow, ideally id love to see a colab between the two casts and do a mega-round. It would give both sides something valuable, both channels are incredibly funny so bringing audiences together would be wonderful

@@cherrywinterberry it was hard to follow because I'm pretty sure Chanse was the only one who knew how to play. Including Spencer.

@@randrfan1 we didnt get to know their roles really either so that didnt help i think

I suggested in comments that they watch NRB to understand how to play. Not having private chats makes it so much harder.

It was a good first episode but Smosh, with their very tight shoot schedules, have limited time for videos. Which is why you don't see two-hour videos in Smosh Games. So they have to work around that time crunch. Meaning no going around and talking to one another, no other nominations in the day, etc. I think they can figure it out better in the next time they try it, but let's not hold them to NRB's production, which is Kickstarter-backed. Smosh doesn't really do Kickstarters afaik.

This confused me so bad, why would he kill Ken? He and Ken had majority if he made a good kill and Mara was pretty clearly amnesiac by that point. Maybe he was scared of ghost votes, but of course Ken was gonna protect him. Such a weird play.

Did he throw for content? Game makes no sense tbh

Problem here is that A) Dom was desperate to make Laurie look like the Demon, as more players trusted Mara than Laurie. and B) If Dom had chosen to kill the Mayor, then Ben would have almost certainly bounced the kill to Mara, as the Mayor would have been the only path to victory for good with a DA'd demon on the final night. He could have killed Mara, which would have left the (basically) confirmed DA, the Demon, and the Mayor. At that point the town would likely assume that the Demon was DA protected and pushed even harder for the Mayor, as it would have been the only path with a possibility of victory. Essentially banking on the idea that the chance of the Mayor being in play was greater than the chance of the Demon not being protected. If anything, I would argue that Ken was the one who messed up by voting for Dom. If it tied then Dom would still have nominated Mara, the village would go for another tie, and Ken, being the last person to vote could throw his hand up last minute to get Mara killed and win.

​@@alexanderhoak Agree with most of this comment, but not sure I agree with the conclusion at the end? If Ken hadn't thrown his hands up Dom and Laurie would be tied, no? So everyone could simply not vote for Mara, they wouldn't need to tie it, and then Ken couldn't have thrown up his hand last minute because he'd have been the only vote.

@@CooksBooks No, yeah, that's entirely correct. Don't know why I didn't consider that. I guess the conclusion here is that the game ultimately came down to a coin flip, and good happened to call it right.

Yeah, Blair wanting to die when she was plainly good seemed pretty unhelpful to her team, and an ogre should probably want to stay alive because if they're evil their vote is very powerful later on.

Honestly Ken tends to completely run the town with this group 😅

Ken plays Clocktower a lot more than anyone else on the regular cast (aside from Ben obviously 😂)

Because it's not his first win.

I think people are trying to avoid spoiling it. There's a bunch of people in the last video's comments mad that the "Laurie never wins" comments were ruining previous games for those who started with this season.

@@omegonchris The only other win he had in a live game was when Snakecharmer stole the Demon from Dom and got Pit-Hagged into an Outsider the same night. This time he actually _won_ properly and didn't just happen to be Good while Evil got unlucky

Me too! I miss that show RIP Trevor!