I was in DIY chain waxing, but due to the fuss of it I looked elsewhere. I tried almost anything, even ended messed up with Squirt due to not cleaning thoroughly the chain prior to applying and ended to Silca's Synergetic. You clean your chain thoroughly once before the initial application and then you just wipe the chain after each ride and apply it in the 500Km-600Km mark. Due to its ease of use and its effectiveness, I don't thing I will ever replace it with anything but an improved Synergetic.
@simongreen45736 ай бұрын
Hi Adam... the GCN video got uploaded earlier and just watched it. I just wanted to say nice job! 😎👍
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
thanks so much simon!
@CyclingTX6 ай бұрын
Regarding the stripping of factory grease, maybe you could try extreme heat to determine the amount of factory grease remaining on the chains. Measure the weight of the factory chains out of the package, then measure after using use the stripper to determine the loss. Next, use something like a self cleaning kitchen oven to turn all non-metallic substances to carbon ash. Due to fumes you’d need to make sure it’s well ventilated. Then use an ultrasonic cleaner to remove the ash followed by a >200°C baking to dry any remaining liquid. Of course the chain would likely be ruined, but the result after the extreme heat, cleaning and drying would get you to the base weight of the bare chain. A little math would tell you how much of the factory grease the stripper removed and how much it left.
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
that sounds like fun...... :) but one issue is that both stripper and UFO DT clean leave behind a film to promote wax adhesion - this would be hard to filter out what was left being this film on the chain metal and what was FG turned to ash. I think if wear testing cannot determine effectiveness, next will be to simply do some wipe tests and see it that becomes obvious (potentially from inside links after disassembling some) - if that more basic approach still not giving me a clear answer to chain limit per 200ml, then might have to try and get more fancy....
@better.better6 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure that including Wolf Tooth and Muc-off was purely a marketing decision... both portions of the article are very carefully worded in such a way that it won't piss off the brands, and they can still include it on the list, in ways that they're technically at the bottom, when really neither one should be at all. and if you think about placement in the article wolf tooth is about the middle but the category itself was "easiest to apply" which sounds like a top placement if you don't compare it to the rest, but when you do compare it to the rest it's more of a diplomatic way of avoiding saying it isnt any good
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
I think there is a lot of validity to your thoughts there! It was quite stark to be using ZFC information initially to help back selection of some lubricants, and then to include lubricants that ZFC has been very critical of. I think either the two people involved did not work in the same manner or communicate, or it was commercial re keeping key advertisers happy. Or both :)
@wrwicky6 ай бұрын
I think that’s true of Motorex and Maxima. They’re both respected brands from the motorcycle world, so they may have good products. While I’m curious about them, their distribution is limited into bike shops, so they probably aren’t great test subjects
@TheMASDrummer6 ай бұрын
I bought some silca synergetic. My chemical engineer buddy was curious to see how i spent so much for a 50mL bottle of lube so he checked it out. Told me it's literally the same thing as differential oil; identical, even.
@yesbuzz6 ай бұрын
That's actually a valid point. You don't have to use bicycle specific oil, especially when many of them have bad results. What about products from other industries. Project Farm has done some research for motor oils kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ir2lftmfqNeVmqc.html and says that Amsoil performs best. There might be even better candidates, but still worth a shot. I'd like to see this versus some random bike oil that performs badly. Project Farm also tested all kinds of oils for different purposes for example motor bike oil, chainsaw oil etc.
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
Interesting. I can't say your friend is incorrect as i havent commissioned any analysis, but points to consider are; a) on launch josh does cover quite a bit re lubricant specific for a bicycle chain its a very particular weight. Ie heavy - its less viscous = slower. Too light, it flings off. Synergetic was as light as they could go and ensure no fling off at high cadence / chain speed. b) I find it very, very unlikely that diff oil and synergetic are the same weight. Diff oil is going to be a much lower / heavier viscosity c) i highly doubt diff oil has tungsten disulfide in it. So yep not saying he is incorrect, but for sure i am not quite on board with that at this time, would like to see the chemical analysis reports....
@rswst86 ай бұрын
Diff oil also has EP additives which can be corrosive to non ferrous metals, especially if contaminated with water. I’d send your buddy back to chemical engineering school
@joelogjam91636 ай бұрын
The additives that I suspect makes the magic happen in Synergetic are tungsten disulfide and zinc dithiophosphate. You can find examples of tungsten disulfide used in gear/diff oils (although it's currently far more common to see it sold separately as 'Oil Modifiers' for use in those applications). Zinc dithiophosphate, on the other hand, is an additive you normally only find in meaningful quantities in older engine oils.
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
@@joelogjam9163 Yep...... But......... and again i dont mean to be coming across as super skeptical of yr friends discovery - but i can say the ws2 Silca use is very expensive (there is ws2, and ws2, and ws2 - check the ws2 you can get from alibaba vs the ws2 you can get from a tier 1 industry supplier - enormous cost difference). I cannot see any way the "oil modifiers" are what silca is using in synergetic - and..... circling back to viscosity - i would be pretty super surprised if they are the same stuff - would like to see the report for sure, can he send it to info@zerofrictioncycling.com.au
@jokermtb6 ай бұрын
I’ve been using WD40 dry conditioning lube for almost two years now. Haven’t tried the wet conditions version yet, but I use the dry in all conditions including winter snow and wet. Easy to use and clean up after application. Doesn’t hold dirt like a few other lubes I’ve tried.
@doormat3215 ай бұрын
You can also use olive oil. Doesn't make it an affective chain lube.
@CatManDoSocial6 ай бұрын
More great content. Thanks, Adam. I've used Silca hot melt for my outdoor bikes for a couple of years now and it's the absolute best thing I could have done for them. At the same time, I decided to use Silca Synergetic for my road bike that stays on my indoor smart trainer. My thinking at the time was that I didn't want to have to remove the chain or clean up the minuscule amount of wax that sheds off of the chain the first ride after rewaxing. If I could do it all over again, I would just immersive wax that chain as well. It's just so simple to do and the 5-10 seconds to clean up after rewaxing is not even worth mentioning. Overall, Synergetic is a fantastic product but it does get me in trouble because of the chemical smell that fills the house when I reapply it. I only use one drop per roller but it does have a strong petroleum smell for days. I would make the switch to hot melt now but the Synergetic is also so good that I've hardly had to use any of it over almost 2 years and the chain still shows no sign of any wear. At this point, that tiny bottle of Synergetic will last 10 years!
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
Thanks cat and yes you are dead on re synergetic. I know josh said he is not into adding scents as he wants 100% lubricant, but i have had feedback from others that the smell has put them off using for indoor bike. And when i added 10ml to hot wax X to lessen the brutal break in.....holy batman then heating up that wax was - well if someone thought shell had set up a processing plant here i would not be surprised - it was not something i would recommend!
@CatManDoSocial6 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 Hahahahaha. I forgot that you had done that. Well, it's good to know that I'm not alone. Because there is so little wear on the chain, maybe I'll go ahead and strip it and start immersing it. My wife will certainly be happier if I do.
@CatManDoSocial6 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 Ha! I forgot that you did that with X. I ended up being inspired and went ahead and stripped the chain and waxed it. Only wax for all my bikes from now on. One question though. About how many hours should I expect to get out of a waxing on the trainer? I'm not a very powerful rider. I have a true 1-hour FTP of 186 watts so I'm not stressing the wax too much. Thanks as always!
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
@@CatManDoSocial it would be a fair ol while. indoor can be different vs outdoor - ie outdoor you might ride for 45 mins at 175w to get up a 10km climb, then you may have 10km of mostly rolling coming down. On a trainer after 45mins riding at power, you may just have 45 mins then riding at power and no free "kms" as such (or time) - so indoor trainer treatment lifespan can be less than normal road kms as there is just not much rolling. The main guide for your riding will be chain feel and sound. Once it starts to sound and feel clearly dry - time to re wax. There is a big buffer on that before you have to worry about treatment being done and starting to wear, but it will become not that pleasurable to ride vs silky smoothness of a well waxed chain. Over time most get to know approx how many hours / kms for them before its time to re wax - or simply if you do a ride and you can tell it was pretty dry - then time to pop it back in for a nice day spa bath :)
@CatManDoSocial6 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 Thanks as always my friend. I don't mind rewaxing more often than needed so I'll definitely play it on safer side.
@fleurdelispens6 ай бұрын
Figure I have some value to add here. I used Synergetic for about a year and a half or about 6k miles (educated guess on the miles). My bottle had a needle applicator, and my main cue to reapply was my front shifting going to shit. I run 3x8 claris btw. When I ran out of Synergetic, I switched to Silca hot melt wax cause of ZFC, and I'm never going back. In addition to the usual adulations, it's way easier to reset in my tiny apartment; I don't even have to go on my balcony to degrease after riding in the wet.
@yogatriathlete6 ай бұрын
What happened to your comments regarding absoluteBLACK GraphenLube? You started out saying "this one's a fun one" and then cut out to the next lube. I would have really liked to hear your opinion on this one. Thanks for all the work you do for the cycling community
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
ah what - far out that clip should be in there!! ffs..... i dont know if i can get it back in!! wtf...... In short - great performing lubricant for sure - one of the best seen, but it is NUTS expensive - in aus it is around $240. You must do the first application via immersive (and they are good enough to recognise that as fact, and include a bag for this to be done). I used to pre prep chains with graphenlube, and so i can tell you that you only get about 4 chains from a bottle, so that initial immersive application is literally a $60 application. It can be of use for some extremely long events due to its great longevity, and it lasts in the wet as well, but 99.9% of the time - other products will also last ones ride perfectly fine. If one is able to simply re lube their chain at normal intervals - then other options will be also brilliant and at VASTLY lower cost. So overall it is a truly top performing product, just way, way too expensive for practical use for all but about 0.1% of cases.
@rswst86 ай бұрын
Yep about same price in USD, $150 for a 4.7oz bottle, over 30 bucks per ounce, and I thought super secret was expensive at $5 per ounce, now I see I’m getting a bargain 😂
@rogersliu12006 ай бұрын
is another fun fact to throw into the mix is that if you can test some motorcycle chain lube LOL
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
Remember that motorcycle chains the actual lubricant is locked in behind an o-ring. Motorcycle chain lubricants you buy are literally just there to protect chain from rusting and keep o-rings from drying out. Bicycle chain lubricant needs to provide actual lubrication at very high pressure loads, whilst due to our piddling power vs engines - have extremely low stiction and viscous friction for the circa 300,000 pieces of sliding surface friction per minute whilst pedalling in big chain ring, whilst being completely exposed to gathering contamination. Comparatively the cycling market for them is small, and they would stepping into a market segment with a 1000+ products claiming whatever the heck they like with zero need to ever back those claims. That would not be a highly motivating market segment to step into unless.... as we see..... oh so many brands its just re label a lube for cycling from whatever purpose it was originally developed for (ie motorcycle) - slap on the same wonderful claims as everyone else - and so the cost to enter the market segment is super low, and if it sells ok - super. If it doesnt - nothing really lost. But likely we already have hundreds and hundreds + already of exactly that and the mfg literally has not a clue how it actually performs in application of cycling. Its a good lubricant so all should be fine yeah? thats the thinking. If your components dont cost much to replace - for sure run whatever based on basically zero backing of claims on the bottle (write to them and see what tangible data they have for its performance on bike chain vs competitors...). If cassette and rings worth some good $$ - running a random "its a lubricant" - the odds it will cost hundreds more over time in cost to run is just really, really high.
@Sebmondo6 ай бұрын
You've used the previous version of CeramicSpeed's UFO drip. It's been updated since with 3 different lubes suited for all conditions, wet and Indoor/track.
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
I focus mostly on All conditions (same as original) - wet lube version is in line for re test, batch issue on first test last year. Indoor i cant put through the main test really as it was not designed with contamination in mind as most people dont zwift out in the mud!! !:)
@robertwhyte34356 ай бұрын
I used some "goof off pro strength remover" to soak a brand new sram chain for about 45 minutes. When I took it out the chain felt sort of gooey. I cleaned it the rest of the way with simple green aircraft de-greaser because the claim is it won't decarbon the metal. Waxed with silca and seems to be working very well. It'll be interesting to see how long the initial wax holds up.
@RelakS__5 ай бұрын
Waxing on company grease? I did this for fun and for finding out what happens. SRAM PC-971 + Squirt: I rode it for about 200km on the company grease to thin it, then started to add squirt. I don't see the Squirt's performance yet, but there is less then 400km in the chain. So far it wears like if I were use oil. I used the new chain on a worn cassette, that might be a problem as well (I was not even able to use two sprockets as well, because they were so worn) Shimano CN-HG53 + candle wax: I boiled the chain for like 3 hours in candle wax. Some dirt came out, but whatever. I used it for 200km, and then rewaxed. The boiling water did not strip much dirt from the chain, but when I put it into the candle wax it was like I were pou mud into the wax :D The chain is currently on the bike, I wait for the second waxing. It worn like it was oiled or something. Same worn chainring problem applies. KMC Z99 + Decathlon drip wax: Because the cassette with the previous two chains went so bananas, that I wasn't able to ride well, I changed it to a new one. However. These things are bollocks. At first it did not show any problem, but after 200km, the chain worn like 0.1%, and worn one of the smallest chainring so much, that the previously mentioned Shimano chain sort of skipping on it (sometimes, when I apply power). The Decathlon drip wax is a very thick product anyway, can't penetrate well, and the chain looks rusty after using it. I stripped the chain with benzin (petrol if you like), and boiled in the Decathlon wax, which I thinned up a bit with water. I will see how it works maybe in the summer. SRAM PC-951 + StripChip: It did strip the outside of the chain, that is for sure, but I am not sure of the insides. I haven't tried that chain yet, but I am playing around with so many chains, I can't even guess when I will use it. BTW, KMC has some bollocks company "grease". It is ridiculously thin, and my biodegradable degreaser can't even touch it (CyclOn Bionet Chain Cleaner), while it ate happily the SRAM company grease. My verdict so far: -If you have time and materials to strip your chain before using any kind of wax: DO IT. -If you don't have, then do not buy KMC chain, but any other brand. Ride your chain as is or after a long wax bath for a relatively short ride (50-100km, just to make the company grease loose), then rewax it. If you use drip wax, start to use it immediately. Only one thin layer is enough as the chain is full of lubricant, but the emulsifying compound may help get rid of the company grease without making a big mess. It is advised to clean the chain frequently with like kitchen paper towel, because it will sweat a lot of material. -Or use StripChip, might work. I guess you should avoid KMC chains with StripChip as well, but I won't try it for a while.
@mtbboy19936 ай бұрын
12:02 I had it as a part of a clearing bucket package I bought in a bike shop. I remember the red bottle the dry lube stank of alcohol. Maybe this one does too. But the dry lube was very watery. As I remember it it was meant to clean the drivetrain and apply the lube at the same time, I guess that's where the alcohol part comes in. But that makes no sense, as that would compromise the lube. I forgot how the Wet lube did. It was years ago.
@bradleybabel48146 ай бұрын
Just as you were ripping on Muck Off I got an add for them Gold 😂
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
that is just so, so good! hahahahahaha
@Gieszkanne3 ай бұрын
The Motorex PTFE Chain Lube is new. I am kind of surprised because in general like you said more and more producers rather go away from PTFE. What is a good thing.
@zerofrictioncycling9923 ай бұрын
Yep! it is not as bad as, but its in a similar vein as a building company coming out with some new insulation that contains asbestos. Get with the times Motorex!
@dxb5262 ай бұрын
What would be really interesting is high quality motor oil because many use that to lubricate their motorcycle chain.
@OKFrax-ys2op21 күн бұрын
They recommend gear lube.
@borano20316 ай бұрын
I would appreciate if you Adam could put out some information about the best preparation of chains going to be used in conjunction with Effeto Mariposa lubricant. Thanks. Rgr
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
hey borano - its the same to prep a chain for top drip lubricant as it is wax. I have a chain prep guide on website - just go to zero friction cycling, instructions - chain prep guide. The guide covers if cleaning new or existing chain, on or off bike, and solvent of UFO clean etc - it is all easy and once you have done it once you have it dialled.
@borano20316 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 Thanks, I´ve done it so far with 3x turpentine and an alcohol cleaner, then immersed in pure paraffine. OK, some teflon powder for the mental.. I just sat up straight when you said here that paraffine and EM doesn´t reaaallly match.. Rgr
@kieranbarry81936 ай бұрын
Great that the cycling media seems to have moved on and is getting more educated re lubes....see also GCN moving on from their poor choice of affiliate back in the muc-off sponsored age! Regarding Squirt, i have been using it for years as i travel a lot and not only is it cheap, it is almost universally available in my experience. Currently riding in Vietnam and its easy to get here. Looking forward to hearing news of improved recipe but i have to say that in my experience (riding over 20,000kms a year), chain wear doesnt seem to have improved a lot of late. Definitely interested to try the Effetto next
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
yep and i believe squirt are working genuinely hard to improve product. Last year they set up test machine and protocol EXACTLY same as ZFC to help benchmark formula's, improve penetration etc. I was very pleased re this as so, so many products from 10+ years ago are simply resting on laurels and will milk that legacy product & brand name for as long as physically possible. Ie i do not believe we are seeing product improvement development from tri-Flow, rnr gold or rnr line, morgan blue and so many more. Squirt do not want a slow inexorably slide of how competitive their product is and are at least putting in genuine R&D to keep squirt moving forwards - something i wish them every success with and hope to re test an improved formula soon. Also giving them extra credit doing this based in south africa where the power grid is down more often than its up now, infrastructure and transport logistics are literally falling apart (political corruption + corrupt privatization has taken all the money needed to keep the grid working, rail system working, roads not falling apart). SA is one of the most challenging places on earth now to run a successful private business, so again i am hugely impressed with Squirt being able to actually put forward the resources and invest in the future vs just sit back and see how long OG squirt can go with a long slide down as more competitors challenge its product. All that being said and my deep wishes for squirt to succeed in the future - i do believe other products like FP etc are just simply a superior product - so it does make it difficult for me / zfc to recommend squirt over other products, as much as i would like to from support squirt perspective. I am keeping fingers and toes crossed that will change in the future...
@ABHI-dl4dc6 ай бұрын
I am using squirt as its more in budget cuz they sell refill packs and from which i can buy whatever quantity i need thats why i love this brand if other brands start doing same thing the expensive factor and packaging plastics can also be removed just take your container with you take as much need, my chain looks clean for now little to no dirt stick on it i generally cross chain before applying this lube as you told its has penetrations issues i am gonna try putting the bottle in warm water for few minutes then apply it on the chain i use my fingers to apply the lube into the links after dropping 1 drop on each link that way i can assure it will have less problems going in the links
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
Yes it would be great for especially some larger LBS to have a bulk container of a top lube option that people can go and get a refil from the LBS - like we can do with laundry liquid, shampoo etc etc. And same re bike wash. It really is wasteful to have every person for every bottle of lube and bike wash to get a new bottle and the old one off to landfill or to recycling where it likely is not recycled anyway.
@ABHI-dl4dc6 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 Exactly and companies can bring down their packaging cost too
@carywatmoreКүн бұрын
Instead of the FinishLine wet lube. You might wanna try Finish Line Wax Bike Lubricant (not the Finish Line ceramic wax lube)
@zerofrictioncycling992Күн бұрын
meh.... the odds on an FL product being competitive are low, i have spent enough resources testing 3 of their legacy line up, and am now very busy trying to work out wtf is going on with their new halo line up!
@MrDiamondDaveАй бұрын
I’m a big user of Dumonde Tech. How do they stack up??
@adyjclarke6 ай бұрын
As waxing provides no protection for the exterior of a chain, do you think there will be any benefit, or otherwise, of running a waxed chain through a lightly lubed rag to transfer a thin film to exterior parts of the chain?
@whynotme98436 ай бұрын
That is exactly what I do,here in the UK, rain, rain and more rain, the out side of the chain and cassette started to rust. So i use waxed chain and wet lube on the outer plates, works so far.
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
as per below comment it MAY be an issue in some cycling applications but most times not. There will be wax on the outside, but it will be abraded off the rollers first, and its possible steel cassettes may not have enough to protect from water (and salty water) for some wax drips / immersive waxing - but it overall is rare. Most cases there is enough wax from the lube on the outside and on the cassette to protect if re lubing / re waxing at the right intervals for ones riding. Ie post wet ride, wipe chain, apply wax lube to chain, cycle freshed waxed chain through the cogs to put a film of wax on the cogs, then allow to set. In almost all cases this is all that needs to be done to keep everything protected. Most times the issue is not re lubing / re waxing when get home after wet rides and thus leaving parts unprotected to oxidize. Mixing wax and wet is not recommended as the wet lubricant will affect wax bond / wax adherence and may also make the wax gunk up. Generally worst case environments (salted roads) spray chain and cassette with isopropyl alcohol to deal with water and salt, quick wipe post spray with microfiber cloth, add a good coating of wax lube to chain, cycle chain through all cogs to impart film of wax to cogs - and all should be protected perfectly between rides. It wont be rusting during the ride...
@Mark_Williams.6 ай бұрын
RE Squirt, they have a product called "Squirt E-Bike Chain Wax" which comes in a green labelled white bottle. Apparently helps with the extra pressures E-bikes exert. At least that was what the bike shop told be when I asked them for a good lube for my E-MTB. Should be their latest formula being E-bike branded it can't be all that old. Hopefully you can add that to you test list!
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
Yes i have it noted but...... it is a LONG way down the list. I would like to re test an improvement to main lube first. E-Bike specific lubricants overall are not a priority as despite being the demographic most at risk of huge wear rate costs - MTB demographic overall is about 2 decades behind the rest of cycling when it comes to thinking about chain lube, friction and wear. The vast majority it is just chuck on lube, ride, replace everything when it doesnt ride anymore. Thats how they roll since the 80's. XC is slowly, slowly understanding re friction, wear, cost to run savings and watts savings for racing. Gravity focussed - about 1 in 1000 might maybe think a little about it. E-Mtb - again very very low focus until about 3 drivetrains in short order deep - then they wonder if there is a way to burn through less cassettes. until that demographic has more than one or two persons per continent interested in whats happening with the chain lube and drivetrain, e-bike lube testing will be very low priority focus vs other tests of much higher interest
@Mark_Williams.6 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 Thanks for the reply! Very understandable. Put me down as one eMTB user in Aus ;) After watching this and several other videos from yourself and some others I wanted to support you guys and placed an order with you for the gear to start my immersive wax journey. Looking forward to all the benefits!
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
@@Mark_Williams. thanks mark! it is great to see you are well ahead of the curve for your demographic! :)
@cliffjones10616 ай бұрын
I used WD-40 last season and it "works" as in sounds smooth and feels fast and smells quite nice. It feels like it does very good in the wet however it is a very gunk attracting lube that turns into a grinding paste very fast. On my MTB my entire drive train cassette, chainring and 2 chains were done in the year about 2000 miles I did go a little over .5 on chain each time. on my gravel bike it ate the drivetrain in about 1000 miles. this lube was the last straw and made me actually research and look for something better. I have moved to wax & true tension for this year so far so much cleaner but don't have any useful life span data yet however 100 miles on MTB park CC2 chain checker still at .25 and gravel 800 miles same thing still around .25. and I have ordered the Shimano TL-CN42 chain checker to add some verification to my chain checking task.
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
brilliant info thanks cliff - yes thats not sounding amazing for wd-40. To me having a lubricant that sure can last through a wet ride without being washed off but becomes a bit of nightmare - that is not a strong case that this is a top option. I feel there will be other options that also last without becoming a nightmare that could probably do with a look in to for the list.....
@cliffjones10616 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 agreed myself I would not waste your time on WD-40 In comparison I have used the Wolftooth lube and it was better than the WD-40 just harder to get a hold of and more money. FYI you can get the WD at Walmart in the states now so I think that says about all we need to know.
@user-rz9nj8cj5v6 ай бұрын
Hi Adam, After converting to waxing my chains almost a year ago, I have to thank you for tall the tips and info - it really has been a game changer. My question is how often can I reuse my quick links when fitting and removing my chains........? I generally run to just over 150 miles before switching out and am currently running 6 or 7 chains on a rotation. Thanks, Stu.
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
Thanks Stuart! Depends on the link. YBN QRS - officially 5x re useable. Shimano / sram etc - officially 1x re useable. I cant say you are fine to re use more than once as thats the mfg instructions. I can say many use circa 5x. You can also detect when it is very easy to get link on / off - ie dont need a tool etc.
@denisrogers43586 ай бұрын
DuMonde’ Tech lube would have to be added IMHO. I certainly haven’t tested/ used every lube in this test. Dumonde’ tech lasts by far the longest, doesn’t gum up unless you over-lube. Tests conducted I’ve seen don’t utilize this polymer correctly. Why ? Only after 3-4 applications does it “Polymerize” chain rollers and even cassette. Upon reading these instructions I thought this was kinda cheesy and marketing hype. However I swear I can feel the metal on metal contact is if it’s coated, cushioned.. Hope you give it a shot. Thanks for great content
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
is that the classic formula or the new? I did test dumonde lite, but due to volatile carrier of original dumonde that is not avail for int'l shipping. The int'l (new) formula stayed wet, and just did not do well. I wonder if much of dumonde strong rep in USA is from the original formulas with volatile carrier as i think they set much less wet, more like a coating, and so would likely perform much better. However....... the market is moving away from the older more toxic lubes like classic formula so i wouldnt look to spend the resources testing a product that is going to be really on its way out, especially a product that can only be purchased in USA. Polymerize marketing can have some credibility to it IF the lubricant is not very wet. Protective coatings work so long as contamination is not in the mix. The pressure loads are simply too high - if contamination is attracted via lubricant being wet, it WILL get deep inside easily, and it WILL be pressed through any coating to abrade on chain metal. So lubricants that claim high extreme pressure film strengths preventing metal on metal contact etc - that is correct - but contamination will be pressed through any film. So still for bicycle chain lubricants still usually the biggest factor is how well it resists contamination as no matter how amazing a lubricant is in a test lab, that is just not the environment for its use case.
@denisrogers43586 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 Valid points and wet regions are a different bag of cats. I do live in the American Southwest using the blue and yellow interchangeably. Our primary concern /goals with lubes that they don’t cake up in our arid environments. I did see a mud puddle last week and got a ‘lil scared.
@mtbboy19936 ай бұрын
13:10 ''Find-it anywhere''? Maybe sometime,s it was not for me for a few years. I struggled to find it I've looked trough international retailers, even they did not have it in stock when I looked. No Norwegian retailer has it anymore. Only found a wet and dry pack once in one retailer, but that's probably gone now too, I see a retailer sells it now coming soon, I see European retailers have their products now.
@bobbymurray90156 ай бұрын
hi! FWIW I started watching because Durianrider goes after you (he's doing it again). I actually consider it a tick in your favor
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
Thanks and hahahahaha yeah the GCN interview has seemingly triggered him. You should see some of the comments posted either by his partner or him on his partners account (get fit with natasha). The shit he says omg. Wonder what wonderful stuff he has made up about me on his latest vid lol!!! What a credit to youtube and social media he is
@ridefast06 ай бұрын
Did you try the Finish Line Wet as a chain cleaner? Might do better there.
@pavelhlushchanka5 ай бұрын
Talking about Effetto Mariposa lube, i texted them and asked if it's possible to use their lube in conjunction with immersive waxing. I was told that their wax is compatibility with any paraffin wax, "basically with all the waxes used for immersive waxing".
@zerofrictioncycling9925 ай бұрын
Ha that is interesting! We of course discussed this at length during testing and field testing and the ZFC conclusion and recommendation re FP really not playing well with the immersive waxes was obviously covered. I even believe they are working on this as it for sure will help sales if it plays well and can be used in conjunction with IM waxes. Since it is overall a great product that ZFC stocks and recommends, i would LOVE to be able to say that yes it goes great with IM waxing, that would mean more FP sales. Alas..... it just really did not. It wasnt a disaster, but it they dont play great together. So i am not sure how or where this would have come from other than perhaps they have done their own testing, and decided that to them, it does play fine. But, if i was me, i would not, if IM waxing and looking to use wax lubricant in conjunction with - the recommended at the moment are ufo drip, silca ss drip and tru tension tungsten all weather.
@mtbboy19936 ай бұрын
Currently I use Weldite Wet Extreme, it's a bit sticky, creates spiderweb if overlubing, but works well in sub zero temps, even down to - 10c. Probably colder. But it has PTFE in it. I will use up my last bottles but won't buy mor eof it unless I have to. Used Muc Off wet before too also worked in same conditions. But I want to try something less harmful
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
Yes good to move away from PTFE lubes for sure. Check out REX artic - they are based in finland and have field tested that heavily, and REX have proven extremely credible re marketing claims and being able to stand behind them.
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
Yes good to move away from PTFE lubes for sure. Check out REX artic - they are based in finland and have field tested that heavily, and REX have proven extremely credible re marketing claims and being able to stand behind them.
@mtbboy19936 ай бұрын
Most will avoid it due to the price. But if it is good I guess it might be worth it.@@zerofrictioncycling992
@ffjim6 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for your videos, Can I suggest that you redo the paraffin wax test (which seemed to go really well) this time using a high quality wax (ie not candle wax) plus a readily available additive from say amazon? This is the obvious the next step from your original test and for all those DIY waxers out there, we will be able to make a comparison with top end commercial products and do a cost check. cheers
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
Thanks! And alas no i wont be doing that. I hope to test just gulf canning wax as another baseline, but that will be it. Otherwise the DIY testing could just never end. I can test gulf wax + Ws2 - say 3grams - from X supplier (maybe amazon - but thats a crap shoot). So then what if someone buys different ws2 that maybe is really crap. Or maybe its better. Or what about moly. or what about graphite. Or what about mixing some lanolin into the wax base and some ws2 and some grahite. Or what about some carnuaba in there + some paraffin oil to make it softer to break in and longer treatment lifespan. What about with 10% beeswax. What about with some xylene. What about some ws2 and moly. Honestly the DIY wax tests requests are beyond counting, and so a) i could never ever ever satisfy the DIY wax demographic even if i invested huge time and cost resources and b) DIY wax is overall a very small (but vocal) subset of immersive waxing. the vast majority are happy to purchase a bag of commercial wax that is proven to be awesome, will last them a year or two - it is just easy and wear savings pay for the wax many times over. DIY waxing can for sure be great, and be a brilliant option for those that like to get into it. It is not that difficult at all to make a great DIY wax, and so if one is interested in doing so - just get a good quality base like a food grade or lab grade paraffin, some not junk 10 bucks for a kilo from alibaba modifief if they wish (a proper chemical supplier will be more reliable than amazon...) - and have a great time. They dont need ZFC validation that they have a great wax saving them a lot of wear and cost. Things really only go south when people buy cheap shite base / candles and have a gunked up mess. So yeah it just an area that could soak up so much resources better spent on so many other tests. We already know the answer to very large degree if one uses a good base and a quality additive - so DIY'ers should simply go down that path, relax and enjoy and not worry about if its X % close to a commercial wax.
@stuff4166 ай бұрын
For testing the chain strippers, could you do the chain stripping process and take apart one of the end links to see if inside is free of grease compared to your normal method? It wouldn't be perfect but you should be able to see or feel if all the grease is removed or not
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
yes thats a possibility im considering vs just wiping the chains on cloth or paper towel. Should know by next week if need to scrap current test method or not!
@michaelpeace12016 ай бұрын
We need to get the bike shop on board
@sethleibowitz29066 ай бұрын
Thanks for all this great info. I just switched over to immersive waxing with silca and my family appreciates my house not turning black from the oil-based lubes. Do you think squirt is good to top off the chain every 100km or so? Much more affordable than the other options. Also I seem to be getting some hard wax deposits on parts of my cassette which causes some problems with shifting and some resistance in the cranks. I am peeling off but wondering if there is anyway to prevent?
@johnkasza23156 ай бұрын
Hi, I'm thinking the squirt doesn't play well with the silca..i use Silca Hot Melt and use super secret drip to top off and I have zero build up..silca ss is only 25, 20 on sale....is squirt that much cheaper..worth it for shifting problems?no
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
Hey seth! Silca should be very self limiting re build up, those refined paraffin bases are super hard to build up (as in i havent seen it before,and i use them too for a decade now). Squirt is we believe slack wax base - it is a very cheap product offshoot from petroleum processing, hence why it is so cheap. It is much more oil content so is not recommended to use as top up with immersive waxes. Using one of the refined wax drips like silca ss drip, ufo drip all conditions, or tru tension tungsten all weather. You can brush wax off cassette easily with small wire brush from hardware store, and or boiling water to melt and nylon brush + cloth. But, if on msw or hot melt or rex bd wax and the above lubricants - i havent had to clean any cassettes in over 125,000km and they look great all the time - so it is likely the squirt causing the prob.
@sethleibowitz29066 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 Thanks so much. I will switch out to the silca super secret for top off. I think the squirt is causing the build-up up as I don't recall the problem before I add it. It happened on 2 bikes with new chains and new cassettes. Hopefully the squirt will work its way out.
@rivnuts73986 ай бұрын
What is the basis for the go-no go numerical limits for chain wear for different speed chains? How subjective are these limits?
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
For 5 to 8spd it used to 0.75. They are 3/32 inch internal width standard. For 9 to 12spd this changed to 11/128 or thinner, so the cog and ring teeth are thinner, and so less resistant to the wear an elongated chain does (where the roller is sliding down the face of tooth every time vs slotting neatly in between. For 9 speed + the recommendation is 0.5% wear. This is a guide / recommendation - and results will vary based on numerous factors such as cassette / ring material (hardened steel, normal steel, alloy), and usage of cogs (ie if one climbs a lot in largest cogs, and those cogs are alloy, they will wear much more than the smaller steel cogs. The wear from chain is not evenly spread, it can be that even running just to 0.5 can mean that a new chain will not mesh well with the now worn larger cogs etc). However as general guide - MOST times for MOST riders if they replace by 0.5 at the latest, they will get next chain onto existing cassette without issues. And one should be getting at least 4 chains to a set of rings. One can do more damage in 1000km running chain from 0.5 to 0.6 wear than all the thousands of kms going to 0.5, so that is really important thing to stay on top of with an accurate chain checker.
@harv836 ай бұрын
Question - do you think wet lubes perform so poorly partly due to the testing methodology? If i recall correctly, you don't reapply between test blocks - with the classic wet lubes, they've probably "washed off" (not exactly, i think you know what i mean) by this point, and lost effectiveness. It would be interesting to see yow they perform over time with more frequent application... I imagine they'd still perform worse than an immersive wax, or even a drip wax, but it would be interesting to see if you can still get benefits of a prolonged drivetrain, even if it doesn't come with drag improvements and would "cost" mote due to the more frequent application. When it comes down to it, most bikers I know don't do things the "right" way - they dont completely clean the chain for each application, or use an ultrasonic cleaner, or (insert method here). They will be willing to reapply some more lube at a higher frequency and wipe off excess (which wet lubes seem to do well, even if there are still contaminants present), instead of reapplying with a product that sludges up over time (thinking of some of the drip wax luhes). Hypothetical, but would be interesting to see
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
No that is not it at all. In clean block 1 there are two re lubes in that block, so 3 in total counting initial lube for 1000kms of basically dry road cycling. In the contamination blocks, re lube intervals are doubled because it is expected people will re lubricant more often when riding in harsher conditions - including start lube for that block there are a total of 7 re lubes in blocks 2, 4 and 6 - so 7 re lubes per 1000km in the contamination block (on average about every 5.5hrs depending on cog / ring combo they rotate through). So they are well lubricated. SImply wet lubricants become much more abrasive much more easily and provide an easy path for that contamination to go from outside to inside the chain vs wax lubricants. You will see that many of the top wet lubricants if you look at performance by block - they can do great for dry road cycling where contamination is low - but once a high contamination environment is involved - it is pretty much a miss match of lubricant type to purpose. Dry offroad in the world of dirt and dust - why would one think a wet lubricant would be a good option? In wet conditions - there can be a case for some wet lubes vs some waxes - but again - it is not just about that ride in real world - what happens after that wet ride for the next rides? The best lubricant is the one that is able to resist becoming abrasive the longest / best and is the most easily reset - for that cyclists type of riding and maintenance. The full test protocol is on website which outlines all intervals and re lube points - link to the test protocol brief from the lubricant test page. There is no cleaning of the chain during the main test. This may differ (hopefully) from what most do in their real world cycling. But the test cannot assess a lubricants ability to "Repel dirt dust and grim", or "Clean as it lubes" etc - a couple of extremely common claims - if i am doing the cleaning. The ability to remain low friction and low wear during the test is all up to the lubricant, and that relative performance vs other products will be carried over to the real world.
@doormat3215 ай бұрын
Hey. This is probably my mistake. I looked through the test protocol this morning as I was trying to determine if there was cleaning between blocks. I couldn't find a statement saying so. It may be worth stating this more frequently for more casual viewers. I think this makes the top lubes even more compelling. If the wax based drip lubes are performing so well with no cleaning. They are going to be considerably more affective with resetting in submersive or hot water after significant contamination. Thanks for all the helpful info.
@zerofrictioncycling9925 ай бұрын
@@doormat321 hey man yep i did an update on low friction news on recent vid, and i have uploaded a much better written test protocol brief on the website which states clearly no cleaning during main test as cleans as it lubes, repels dust dirt and grime etc etc are key marketing claims the test is there to assess, which wouldnt be assessed well at all if i was cleaning
@peibol246 ай бұрын
Cassette and chainrings need to be as extremely clean as the chain itself when you're doing the prep work before waxing for the first time? Because I'm currently trying to remove all the gunk from past oil lubes and it feels like regardless for how long I'll scratch that with soap, water and turpentine, rags still pick up some black stains, it's kinda frustrating 😂 but i don't want to start waxing and mess up the whole thing.
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
ah yeah - you dont have to get perfect as unlike chain you dont have to worry about wax bonding etc like we do for inside of chain, you just want it clean enough that it will not contaminate your lovely wax chain, which you can then bring into pot etc. It can easier for sure to remove cassette and pop in a container of mineral turps to soak ,then remove each cog and wipe clean with microfiber cloth. Rings are easiest done with bike upside down. A small stiff pipe cleaner is great for getting in troughs of teeth vs just wiping sides of teeth clean (for both cogs and rings) and for getting in between large and small ring. Pulleys remove each one at a time, taking note of which side faces out. Put a permanent marker dot on side facing out if unsure and if the wheels do not have markings already denoting which side out. Clean, clean cage in that area, put wheel back in, repeat for other wheel. Good news is once this clean is done, thats basically it for drivetrain cleaning going forwards woohoo! often when switching to waxing thats the last DT clean you ever have to do. Yeehaa :)
@chrism54336 ай бұрын
I use brake clean and air nozzle and rags .works great
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
@@chrism5433 That sounds pretty groovy, especially the energy that a good rage brings, you can really have at it! :)
@chrism54336 ай бұрын
Typing error lol..most people are pretty lost to bike maintenance,I see other bikes during a coffee stop , not up to par . Cheers 🍺
@markscott1306 ай бұрын
Working for me.
@mtbboy19936 ай бұрын
I've discovered a lube from UK, that's environmentally friendly, but I've no clue about the performance. It's called Green Oil, there's several lubes. No idea if they can handle -10C or as far down as -20C or below. I found a review that says the Green Oil Wet lube lasts for ages, but no data is show, like in which conditions, and what they mean by ages. So Road CC did a bad job. Also I read claims of lasting 200km, if that's feasible, and it actually does perform well that long, that sounds great, so far I've not had any lube that felt freshly lubed, smooth after around 3 or 4 hour ride, I could always feel the difference. Cycling Weekly review claims it was smooth and quiet over 100 miles (160,9344 km). But the review did not go into detail about the conditions it was tested in. I need a lube I can blast trough deep puddles, ride trough snow, cover the drivetrain in snow.
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
very interesting, and yes the road cc review certainly lacks anything tangible re how assessed, which is still rather common. May not be the case but having a bit of a look, i am wondering if there is a bit home turf help going on there. Had a bit of a look through green oil website, and claims are very generic and non specific. Basically its a lubricant thats green. But how have they assessed its performance? against whom? What is made of other than "plant based". What is in there other than plant stuff, because you can bet your arse its not 100% plant. It could be 50% plant based. It could be 1% plant based and the rest is mineral oil. what is making up the oil / lubricant other than "its not ptfe". To be honest the marketing is a little bit too vague for my liking. They might be all that and a bag of chips re performance and enviro creds - but my experience says more often than not vague is not a good sign. It is such a contested market, being able to be specific on your products performance, what you have to back that claim, and what its made of (not what its not made of) - would give me a huge amount more confidence the product is what they say it is. I would email them if you get a chance (copy and paste the above if you like) and see if they can provide something tangible re how assessed performance and more information re what is made of, and if you get something substantial, loop me in. For what you are looking for i would have a look at Rex arctic perhaps. Rex work super hard to deliver genuinely awesome products with INDEPENDENT testing to back where possible (i cant test freezing riding unfortunately). But they are based in finland and do field the test the bejeezus out of their products vs competitors for ice and snow. And over the years they have just proven they are a company that always wants to be able to substantiate claims - in short they are a company of very high credibility and honesty re product claims and marketing - would be well worth a look.
@mtbboy19936 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 I sent them an email, will see wha happens. I aske Don Instagram before, buy no answer, maybe they will by email. Who knows. Atleast I tried to get the answers.
@stuartcolvin11656 ай бұрын
I used the greenoil on my commute bike for 3miles/ day . Bike lives outside and it worked ok as a lube. I never deep cleaned it and at the end it was a lump of waxy gunk which I couldn't remove , even with an ultrasonic cleaner. The dirtiest chain I've ever used (and I'm a mucoff user!). I may try the rest of the bottle in the future.
@mtbboy19936 ай бұрын
@@stuartcolvin1165 Which lubes did you try?
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
@@stuartcolvin1165 wow that is an interesting experience! if you get time maybe email them with your experience and ask them a) what is in it and b) how can you improve experience etc and see what they say. How a mfg responds re enquiries on their products performance can certainly be interesting.
@tosheshdaulta88996 ай бұрын
We could use a chemist join these podcasts
@oOoACFREEMANoOo6 ай бұрын
One thing thats over looked it the bottle thats provided by the brand. Squirt lube bottle really sucks, imo...
@mtbboy19936 ай бұрын
10:26 Rock n' Roll Extreme is an awful lube. In wet, snowy conditions it washes off in minutes, making the chain creak horribly. It keeps the chain very clean, but useless, anything more than just a drizzle and it washes off.
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
very interesting, thanks for sharing experience with that lube!
@streetstangcobra6 ай бұрын
I saw a comparison between UKs popular motorcycle chain lubes on youtube and 4 chain lubes got good results, better that trutention banana slip wax. XCP professional and scottoil and S100 chain spary 2.0 and Maxima chain wax which has paraffin added to it, would you continue his work and try them in your lab testing ?
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
Hey! maybe - it is possible that there is some cross over, but mostly i will be focussing on looking at bicycle chain lubricant specific. Almost all motorcycle chain lubricants their purpose is basically rust prevention and protecting the o-rings from drying out. All the actual lubrication under load is locked in under the o-rings. Bicycle chain lubricant needs to actually lubricate small parts under very high pressure load. To do that well, they need to not gather contamination readily or allow that to progress inside. So mostly the best bicycle chain lubricants are the ones that become the least contaminated (which is why top wax lubricants dominate vs wet lubricants). I do not know how they tested (send a vid link if you get a mo and i will try and look next cuppa break) - but i highly, highly doubt they were considering the vastly different use case, and assessing against those use cases (ie - did they track chain wear accurately?). I think for motorcycle lubricants really if it just simply stays on, doesnt become a mess, and does job re anti corrosion and protecting o-rings - its job done. I dont know why there would be hundreds of lubricants claiming wonderful stuff, when all the actual lubrication is the factory grease locked in under the o ring for the lifespan of the chain. Bicycle chain lubrication is a VASTLY tougher gig as it actually does have to lubricate parts under very high pressure and hard workload. So there is not a natural cross use case for motorcycle chain lube and bicycle chain lube as it is actually two completely different task briefs. Different tasks need different fluids. Your diff oil is typically different to your engine oil. As is your transmission fluid. As is bearing grease. So are the top bicycle chain lubes that have to actually lubricate vs products that are just to prevent exposure to air and keeping a rubber ring moist.
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pNWjm81-mqmokac.htmlsi=XyJA62smBV2dqD3A Sorry i didn't give details before, He didn't use a chain for testing, he got the lubricants sent to the lap for IP 239 test protocol where they measured the wear marks on rotating steel balls.
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
@@streetstangcobra ah cool will have a proper look later today over a cuppa hopefully, i will had forgotten re they have a bushing in there underneath roller so that is worth investigating a little re something actually needing lubricating vs the locked in lubrication between pin and bushing - but its not going to need lubricating like a bicycle chain does. There will / should be very little movement between the roller and the bushing. The bushing attached to the inner plate link is fixed. As the link articulates - the pin rotates inside the bushing under the load on the chain. This is the main wear interface, and thats why that grease is locked in with an o-ring. The roller is actually mostly held static as soon as it is under load, as will the bushing to the roller, and then the pin articulates inside the bushing. The roller is there just to allow a very small amount of movement between roller and bushing for the chain to settle nicely into the sprocket teeth. Without a roller there is a possibility of higher wear to the sprockets, but the amount of movement is very very small and very very short duration - it is nothing like the pin inside bushing. Unlike bicycle chain where the inner link plate shoulders are doing the full articulation inside the roller bore with same load as inner link bore is doing around the pin. So with a motorcycle chain the main load surfaces doing the work are likely to wear to replacement well before roller bore / bushing wear even with a meh lube choice, and; > due to engine power and extra losses typically could never be detected, not even close - unless chain so clapped out. > Chains and sprockets are simply replaced when its replacement time, no one is trying to save rear cassette etc by replacing by 0.5 So still really all the lube has to do is prevent rust and protect rings. And..... of course the IP 239 test - no test of a lubricant on balls in a clean lab will give any real indication for its performance on sliding surface friction with contamination. Over time such tests have been used by various mfg, and there is just very little cross over - ie one lubricant that does well in the test might do ok in ZFC test. Another that did amazing in the test can do much worse in the ZFC test. All the top wax lubricants would likely do very poorly in the IP 239 test but would likely slay wet lubricants in the ZFC test in the lubricants actual use case etc. But it is an interesting topic - i should cover soon :)
@fen24532 ай бұрын
I would love to see how maxima does on a bicycle. I have a massive amount of it for dirtbikes and street bikes and it's wax based.@@zerofrictioncycling992
@rodrames24626 ай бұрын
Hate to say it, but no audio at the moment.
@better.better6 ай бұрын
did you check your volume? I have no issues, he's a tiny bit quieter than I would like, but I think that's because his audio processing is trying to remove some background noise
@carl902106 ай бұрын
Durianrider is on the attack again. He goes quiet for a few months and then picks on you again.
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
yep, he has been massively triggered by the gcn interview. Goodness knows what crap he is making up about me now! What a great human being and a credit to cycling, the internet and the world. A solid use of oxygen that one.
@robertmcfadyen91566 ай бұрын
Adam , you look exhausted and tired . Good sleep habits . I don't sleep that well due to side effects of my type 2 diabetes complications .
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
Ha robert you are correct! Last week and this week were a struggle, i have been stung by bee's recently on rides and i get a pretty decent reaction. Despite all the anti histamines and ice and anaesthetic cream - i have lost quite some nights over the last couple weeks itching most the way through the night. I have been pretty shattered last couple of vids, but wanted to power on and get things back up and running on all fronts. If i can not get stung this week, i should be better soon - but far out, i have been a zombie. I didnt want to make excuses but for sure 2 nights of no sleep pre last weeks vid contributed to a very low IQ day....
@robertmcfadyen91566 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 My first Connex 808 chain wax experiment was about 2001 . Molten technique . Sterilized first before wax bath just - molten . I told Ollie at GCN this recently just before the Tour Down Under as he was still in the U.K. at the time .
@robertmcfadyen91566 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 I had a fire ant bite to the underside of my right foot in my back yard on the first day of this month and cold ice pack and one hour later pain had eased and I slept reasonably .
@robertmcfadyen91566 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 I note that you gave Muc - Off a bad rating . I tried it once and after 200km riding , I looked and said to myself " waste of money" several years ago . I use Steve Leffanues recipie now .
@sarahdisco-dolly11506 ай бұрын
Cleans as it lubricates 😂 If it does indeed do that then it will be taking the oil off too.
@user-ho4rv6kg8u6 ай бұрын
Interflon fin chain dry lube?
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
Never heard of it till now, had a quick look, bold claims :) Any chain wear data?
@user-ho4rv6kg8u6 ай бұрын
Hello, no. I have only just heard of their chain lube myself. I have used their assembly paste etc . They do make some bold claims, as you say. Possibly why I wonder how they hold up to some testing.@@zerofrictioncycling992
@user-ho4rv6kg8u6 ай бұрын
Hello , No, no data. @@zerofrictioncycling992
@deadmandying62346 ай бұрын
You should test peatys linklube wet
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
yep getting a few requests over time for peaty's, juice lubes, minty's etc - but as so many such in that category would love to know more from people if have some actual wear data from their experience to try and narrow down if one of those brands / products has a good shot as yeah they are just in a bracket of a thousand products, would love to narrow the selection for better odds
@ricobass02536 ай бұрын
Shorter videos, please.😆🤣😆🤣
@adam__smith6 ай бұрын
They are!
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
Ha yeah rico i really am sorry, i have a condition - not sure what it is but i bet its hard to pronounce. I really will be trying but for sure this is a challenge for me! I can't promise re the results but i do promise i will really try....
@adam__smith6 ай бұрын
One suggestion, if I may. For longer videos like this it would be really helpful if there were more timestamps so that viewers can pick and choose what they watch. @@zerofrictioncycling992
@zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat65896 ай бұрын
I worked for Bicycle Network magazine 'Ride On' as tech editor for a while 20 years ago, and my editor made me get my articles down to 1500 words or less. It was a struggle, I can tell you. You need to chop, chop, and chop some more and what you think is important, usually isn't. A knowledgeable 3rd party (editor) is your friend in this process. @@zerofrictioncycling992
@josiasmangussiborges6 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 dont worry! you are a genius in this matter, one of the best ones if not the nº 1. keep going the good content! (edit: i enjoy your videos being as long as you want, so we can have more of you and you can share more knowledge w/ us!)
@wrwicky6 ай бұрын
Please, Please, get Cam Nichols to shout negative comments for you at his screen in his “Old Mate” character. @roadcyclingacademy6476 I need this laugh. Thanks to both channels for high quality content, with integrity.
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
ooh i confess i havent seen. SHould i be scared to watch his channel?! :)
@wrwicky6 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 It's a great channel centered around a coaching service and some reviews. Whenever Cam advocates for a data driven choice that is counter to traditions in cycling, he will often yell at himself as his "Old Mate" alter ego (Ex At 08:50 of kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pbuGh5iE053Tlp8.html)