And probably says something terrible us 😂

Canola oil (and seed oils in general) were never tested for human consumption!

It would interesting to see these oils to get tested. Just curious what the result may be. If they do result bad, at least we have a standard of what is bad is like

GCN is sponsored by Silca, which means they are paid to showcase anyone Silca suggests. Now I'm starting to think Adam's in Silca's pocket. Major bummer. It's hard to give unbiased result if you're paid by a lubricant company. 😕

I hope he's not though🤞

Meant to say would have been lost.

Thanks david and ah let me tell you many e-mtb riders would love to get 3000km! Poor choice wet lube over factory grease, high power and the world of dirt and dust - things can be eaten very quickly. Unfortunately testing specifically for this i cant see anytime soon. It is well beyond what my tacx neo's could handle to run control testing and high sustained power and or torque - they will overheat quickly. So then we are talking a specific fabricated rig, motors, software and cooling and that is a big investment. And then the resource actually conducting testing and building a league table. And that would all be for a demographic that by and large does not think about chain lubrication, friction and wear - they just ride and replace things when it no ride no more, or the bike store tells them too on service. About 1 in every 1000 e-bike riders would currently have an interest in chain lube and zfc - so it would be a huge investement for a global audience of about 50 people :)

Thanks for sharing experience - yes i must admit i am currently stumped who the market for lubricants like this is. Dirty, high wear etc - its a mess. And yes great move! For your riding it might be worth considering two chains on rotation, that way you can chuck one in the pot, and fresh waxed one on the bike - can make it easier to keep up with waxing when hitting harsh weather very frequently , and you will guarantee two chains through cassette etc - and you always need another chain sooner or later so pre buying next one is just a great way to roll for awesome intrepid cyclists!

I kept my from rusting when Winter roads salted but wore chain quickly and made a black mess of drivetrain.

Ha that would be my fault. I think for a start a channel on a boring semi old man talking about bicycle chain lubrication has a fairly limited reach. Ie you should see the crap click bait channels covering F1 that get millions because they are simply talking about F1. Even the absolute best of the best channels in cycling get miniscule numbers vs other sports - so for sure the actual total potential audience is small as i dont cover that wide a range of topics. the other part is that im just pretty bad at you tube, speaking and presenting! I personally prefer long vids - thats what i hunt down to listen to when im prepping chains, running and resetting the machines, training etc - and i tend to make long vids - but word on the street is is i kept them to 10 to 20 mins i would get a lot more viewers. I have struggled immensely to try and do that.... But i thankyou very much for you support - that is a very flattering thing for your to wonder :) But yeah far out - as an example - there are a bunch of F1 channels that will pump out vids of say 8 to 10 mins - that have click bait title such as "shock le clerc decision!" - and then there will be 8 minutes talking is circles of absolute nothingburger speculation, based on well if this then if that then if this and then if that then le leclerc MAY consider potentially thinking about a move away from ferrari etc. And its literally just 8 minutes of absolutely nothing. and will get 4 million + views. and have millions of subscribers. And its probably AI generated as its all complete drivel. Same with many science channels - kyle hill did a great vid covering how so many with millions of subscribers and views are pumping out AI generated content that is just absolute rubbish. And here i am like a sucker doing my own work hahahahaha

Yeah there is that but since i let it go he just is not stopping, for a long time now, and what he is making up keeps getting worse - and i dunno - personally i feel very strongly that too often bad people keep getting away with doing bad shite because good people stand by and do nothing. So options will have to be explored re how to clip this very bad mans wings.

Found their drip-on wax similar to Squirt, their wet lube awful, like Viking Juice as a Winter lube for the commute bike.

ah if only that would satisfy more than whichever 5 people are on that particular DIY wax blend, the rest will for sure want other blends tested forever and ever. I think overall there is plenty enough knowledge that one can be happy with a good DIY without zfc testing to endorse. Food grade paraffin / gulf canning wax - quality additive if one feels they want to (generally not $15 for 5kg ws2 from alibaba as it is unlikely to be that...) - and rock on. If you want to pay for that test you can of course book in a paid test but it is not cheap because each test is a lot of time and work! :)

i will be doing the weekend tally shortly :)

Yep honestly bushing track chains are a right pain in the butt. Try the ybn 410, what a beautiful running chain, and very easy to lube and maintain. And so much smoother - everyone who tries who was previously on izumi is like wow, yep, i will be staying with these... And ha thankyou for sharing your experience with FL wet - yes that lube is a MESS. I don't understand how anyone would stay on that product after trying it! The world is and endlessly interesting mystery to me.... :)

@@zerofrictioncycling992 Thanks for the tip. ybn doesn't seem to be available at the regular big dealers here in germany so it's no surprise I never heared of them. Most offers for Ebay import come from Australia but there is at least one shop selling them from Italy. (My local customs office is a real pain in the rear to deal with so I avoid shippings from non-EU countries at all costs). They also have a rust proof version, that sounds good for my usecase as well.... Might even ditch my current Izumi chain that still has a good 10.000km life left in it just to get rid of the maintenance hassle. It doesn't even run that great to begin with. (I thought my chainline was off for the first 1000km or so until the chain was finally broken in a bit. That drove me nuts.) At least 1/8" chains are not as expensive so it's not a big loss.

@@vien4875 yeah depending on where you are ybn can be a little tricky to get. you shouldnt need to worry re corrosion with the 410- that will be nickel plated if silver, Ti-n plated if gold, so pretty high protection already vs bare steel. rollers will be the most rust prone like all rollers, but if you just what a coating on post wet ride they will be fine. Normally pretty cheap chain overall, so if you get two or 3 to pay one shipping - might have you sorted for ages, and yeah - did i mention they will be a whole lot smoother and a whole lot easier to clean and prep! bushing chains suck for cycling.

Yes please report back but i am 99.9% sure that will solve the problem, there is something very not normal going on with the m81000 chain.

some being dispatched by Josh at silca very soon so i hope to get test spooled up not too far from now. Initial impressions from launch on upcoming vid :)

Recent upgrade to Ultegra 12s came with XT level chain and (having previously used squirt) I tried flowerpower - first ride in UK winter conditions and chain went rusty ON the ride. I do wonder if any lubricant or immersive waxing can really deal with UK winters with gritted roads and constant dampness (FWIW I will be using DA level chain in future, so hopefully that helps with the visible rust at least).

You can use wax. No problems. Just dry your chain and re wax

thanks for the input - yeah what is up with that chain..... i might stop stocking m8100 level...

I have an M8100 on a full power emtb using Silca Hot Melt and SS without issues. Riding dusty, muddy, also ideal off-road conditions on my beautiful island Puerto Rico. 62 Hours and 218 miles chain is going really strong. I re-wax frequently so far 6 times and maybe 2-3 SS layer up between every re-wax. I try to follow ZFC guidelines, maybe Im doing too much hot water flushing to keep my wax pot clean. Not a problem at the moment. Wax is life!

An independent test of chains claimed to be corrosion resistant would be great. I'm using a waxed Wipperman 9SX chain and Silca's hot wax on my road bike, hope it doesn't rust.

that he does, but thats part of the problem. Since i ignored him he has still made about 10 more vids, plus the comments he is putting up all over the place - its pretty bad - and he will keep going (he isnt suddently going to not be morally bankrupt and nuts). And sadly people just dont check. Thats why so many even not dumb people think he is cool, or think that hey maybe space lasers are causing california bushfires, or that vaccines cause autism, or that a great idea after a school shooting is to a) hold an NRA rally and then b) call it a false flag operation . The number of people that would ever bother to check into him and then zfc to see who was the malicious nutjob or not is just not what one might think. Aside from i wouldnt put up with someone doing that if they were standing in front of me, its difficult to let someone just run rampant saying very nasty defamatory things. And...... also just a strong personal view is that bad people keep getting to do bad things because good people stand back and do nothing to stop them. Another big problem with the world. So as much as it might be worst before better, going to have to do something about him - i cant solve the world from nasty fwits but maybe i can reduce the impact of one.

yeh its pretty crazy the lengths he goes to!! I dont mean to be pessimistic but he has more problems than any therapist could hope to fix. Anyhoo - have to deal with what is and chip away at dealing with the human excrement stain in a way that will stop him defaming zfc at least. But a wider issue is how is such a person stopped more permanently from all the harm he does - he picks on so many others less able to defend themselves. On the plus side he is already proven in court to be full of shit so his next one will have that form for the prosecution to run with from the start!

yep TT AW is an alround great product - just note that a wax drip like that - half of what you apply is carrier - so treatment lifespan wont match a top immersive wax. Depending on conditions and ride length - its treatment lifespan may be fine, or it may come up short. And then most important - resetting chain contamination post wet ride - this is easiest with an immersive wax, but a refined wax lube like TTAW you can do a good flush with boiling water rinses, dry, re apply - great reset by boiling water flush rinse, dry, UFO DT clean bath, rinse with boiling water, dry - re apply. Or you can use TTAW with immersive waxing if doing the combo approach (very popular for many)

Thank you so much for ur reply. Been out this morning on practice. Muddy not the word. Thanks for ur help and ur great advice.

Thanks Cat! Ah its mostly a) it is tempting as i am just very fortunate in that i dont have to work thanks to the superwifey's income, and so it was overall meant to be very easy hobby business - but it has grown a bit past that, and there is not really an easy way to scale it back. Even trying to control amount of testing and run a small retail side - its just busy indeed. I have a mountain of docs always to get to updating, creating, trying to keep enough stock coming in, chain preps (literally thousands per year) and doing best level service and support for enquiries etc - it just means the 2 to 4hr a day part time hobby business, is not really that - and so balancing with little guy, riding, big house + all the other fun things out there - it is not that balanced! I am certainly getting more questions from the wifey about hmmm...... why are you doing this when you dont need to do this..... But i would feel i left too much to be done if i bowed out just now, there is more i want do achieve on this front first, and despite for sure some parts are a grind (most work will have a component of that...) - Overall zfc is a lot of fun still. And b) if i wasnt doing this...... i would start tinkering on something else....... i am just a tinkerer...... things turn over in the ol noodle all the time and when i have time its like hmmm lets delve deeper there as that is interesting, so i would no doubt start up something else on some front! I am very interested in the current climate / energy transition and private / government politics and wtf is going on...... and how - how do we cut through absolute nonsense, anti science, anti logic shite that gets pumped out and taken up - including all the whacky conspiracy theories.... oh man... its a deep hole that one - but our future depends on it, hard not to be deeply interested and concerned...

@@zerofrictioncycling992 Thanks for that thoughtful reply, Adam. Sounds like you have a wonderful wife. Another thing we have in common. Well, when it's time for you to leave this field and find something else, you will be missed. But you've made a difference in lots of people's lives, including mine, and I really appreciate it.

@@CatManDoSocial Thanks Cat! yes i do indeed, and whilst she supports this fun hobby she is giving me more and more looks and chats re erm.... this is not quite what it was supposed to be... and its getting a tricky balance, and a balancing act we dont need to have - so i will be looking to see if can get that balance better for more longevity.... Some testing things are already taking a long time but they may be taking longer soon....will see... need 30 hour days would be super handy - can we slow the earths rotation a little...:)

@@zerofrictioncycling992 Haha. Well, good on both of you. Tell her that you're doing the Lord's work.

cool - i will pop it on the long list for a closer look but this one is a new one to me.... but will be interesting to check claims

Acetone is groovy, just take care re fumes. Degreaser not recommended as can leave film behind. Drivetrain cleaner who knows sorry there are so many of them not sure what it is and if it may leave a film behind. Re should you it depends. Dry road riding no need. Offroad can be great to reduce amount of dust brought into wax pot - especially cumulatively over time.

In general it is best not to get bike wash products on your waxed chain (drip or immersive) as they may leave a film behind that hinders next wax coating from bonding well leading to short wax treatment lifespans. If bike needs a clean post ride, like its time to pop chain off and into wax pot as well then have at it. Mostly recommend to treat chain same / similar to brake discs re what you want to get on it - if it would not be great for your brake disc / brake bad, then it would not be great re contaminating wax chain in case it hinders bond next re lube or re wax.

@@zerofrictioncycling992 An easy to understand comparison there Adam. Thanks again.

Seriously sausagesandwichSA - what good points? it is not tit for tat. It is an objectively (and easily seen with your own 5 mins of googling) very bad person, making up malicious lies to defame me & zfc. If you tried to get an understanding from both sides and failed, i do worry for you / about you. This one is pretty darn clear cut. Everyone has a right to defend their good reputation - personal and business - from someone with quarter of mil subscribers making nasty things up about them. And - too often bad people keep getting away with doing bad things because good people stand buy and do nothing. Unreal you arrived at where you are. Absolutely unreal. Pls feel free to just stay on his channel and not here - here is a place for people who understand that being maliciously attacked is a bad thing.

@@zerofrictioncycling992 fair enough mate

Hey Luin! Again just my /zfc opinion - it vastly easier to pop chain off post wet ride and pop it in a pot and turn a pot on vs ANY other method of resetting a wet or wax drip lube chain post wet ride. Have a second chain that was re waxed last time ready to pop straight on if frequent wet. Wax chain will not rust if it is popped into a wax pot post salt ride day. I do not understand how flush cleaning wet lube chains etc is easier or faster. it is more time, more mess, more cost. but... if ones preference is wet as waxing just not for them - then just understand that re chain wear - one should always imagine if they did same riding with no seals on their bearings. How would the bearings be going? Post any such ride the bearings would need to be flush cleaned and regreased or things would go badly quickly. Same with chain. If you dont re set contamination in chain post wet ride, you will pay for that big time re friction and wear in the chain, so for frequent wet riding, the best lube / path is the one that enables the cyclists to reset the easiest and most often. At this time viking are pretty low on the test list - they look to be all claims no substantiation like oh so many others. I have a long list!! Viking really need to substantiate some claims, and or i need some users accurately tracking wear rates to 0.5% and kms and conditions - if i get some genuine great reports it will move up the list.

@@zerofrictioncycling992 Ok I'll see if I can commute year round with Silca's hot wax. I've already got used to giving the chain a clean, dry and rewax on rainy days. Thanks for your help.

one day... maybe...... again not sure how long i am going to be doing this.... :)

Testing side would be tricky, retail side for sure if i started this much earlier when i was in main working life phase then franchise for ZFC to have one in europe, usa etc - but nowadays - setting up and running franchise would be more work on top of other work! If it is viable for someone to take over ZFC when i bow out then that would be a great plan for a enterprising new owner

Sadly im already not hambini favourite guy (due to concerns on his steel vs ceramic information i have published). It wont take much for hambini to join the durian party i fear.....

ah sorry i was hoping to this week but ran out of time for all the updates! hopefully this friday

oh and no just smaller packaging so cheaper purchase

@@zerofrictioncycling992 And then on to the new Slica wax stripping chip:)

Hey normally around 3 or 3.5 liter to 5 liter is fine for 3 chains. 3 liter will give you a higher fill level for a couple of packs of wax so you get to re wax 3 at a time longer before needing to top up.

It varies :) I love to tinker with new build when on holidays. I wake up at 4:30am anyway - work day or holiday - so on hols its a great relaxing tinker time in the early hours before the real day starts. Currently i have a tamiya TC-01, an lc racing.... forget the model now, 3 x dragnalo DR1s which are amazing i must say for how little they cost - they are the main ones my friends and i race on our own race championship nights, i have an arma limitless (of course), and just built over xmas the team corally ssx-823 - which i must say is proving to be my first big RC problem solve (it spins under braking - Team corally cant help. but a 2k aud build, and yep.... as soon as touch the brakes - the back overtakes the front, its undriveable!). Have built and moved on many others from other brands over the years as if they arent all that and a bag of chips for our fun racing i just like to try a new one and it would be out of control to keep everything! Plus if one likes the simple tinkering pleasure of taking something broken and making it awesome again - RC racing is a great hobby for that :)

@@zerofrictioncycling992 Sounds awesome! You have a fantastic selection. I love the tinkering too and have been getting my old Traxxas Revo going. Years in the shed and it's firing up a treat. Cheaper than a full size car and still lots of fun working on it. Nitro can be a pain when it won't go, but when it does... 😀

@@colinl2908 hey yeah me and couple mates raced 1/8th nitro buggies for years, and had a great time - but bloody heck- electric really is so much better. no changing tune based on temp / pressure / humidity. No glow plugs. No clutch bell bearings and clutches. No starter box. No expensive fuel. No spending an hour breaking in a new motor every approx 20 hours when the old one is clapped out. No failed exhaust seals, exhaust springs, dented exhaust pipes. And the instant torque and power of elec, and how tuneable - i love castle as i can plug esc into my computer and tune basically everything - throttle curve, brake curve, drag brake, motor timing, lipo cut off voltage, esc and motor temp cut off voltage, download data - temps, power, rpm, torque, volts, amps - peak, low and avg for all data - things are a different world from when used to race nitro, and i cant say i miss nitro.... - cant download much from the nitro engine except sometimes broken pieces of piston and con rod :) Your next project might be doing an elec conversion! Mate did that on his nitro hyper 9 - good mamba monster X 8s exc and castle motor and some solid lipo's and holy batman may as well have installed a warp drive!

@@zerofrictioncycling992 That is very cool and as a data guy, I can see why you would be drawn to the customisation and reports. I agree and have dealt with the pain previously regarding many of the issues you mention, but retro is back baby! At least until it bites me. I admit that I have been thinking about an electric conversion and I'm sure once I go for a run and it won't start, I'll be wondering why I didn't just bite the bullet and know things have moved on for a reason. First things first...after my wife said, 'where did you get that grease on your leg' this morning, I take that as approval to organise some waxed chain/low friction goodness :)

@@zerofrictioncycling992 With the spinning issue, have you tried a gyro? I had one (spectrum) on my HPI Baja 5B which loved to spin out all the time. Takes a little bit to find the right balance without dulling the steering down too much. Although a gyro might be putting a band aid on a bigger issue!

its been on the long list but nothing too compelling on it yet, and messy just doesnt often bode well for a product...

@@zerofrictioncycling992 The messy part is really only due to that fact that it takes an extra step to remove the excess lube. On the upside, I think that a good application of the stuff may help push grit out, perhaps helping with the "reset." But my positive anecdotal experience might not hold up to your rigorous scrutiny, which is why I'm psyched to hear that it's on your list.

@@SnaxNoCo Yes overall one should be wary of "push grit out etc". Lubes that need to do that are obviously first attracting and getting grit in. It is a far better approach to resist absorbing contamination to start with, as literally on a say 3ml re lube, thats less than 0.03ml per link fresh lube, and there is only so much flush cleaning that can do vs what some wet lubes will be doing re attracting grit the entire ride time. Sorta like you have someone spending 10 hours slowly sprinkling dust all over your lounge room then every 10 hours you are given 30 seconds to a vacuum. You are for sure going to be losing the battle to keep your lounge room clean....

Yep i am with you on that. Its a good lube to give to a frenemy if you have one those hahahaha

nah its work from home hobby business so i like the flexibility of own space vs working around when someone in doing something i could do etc, and then it would be truly working for free if paying another person :)

yes its very sad. I am guessing as i am not a young lady so i cant speak for what goes through their minds - but it seems to start off as a groupie thing cos he is in some peoples eyes a bit of a celebrity (i know...... my lordy i know..... insert roll eyes). Or it could also be they want to use the exposure and then the drama (for more exposure) that comes with being with him and doing Durianrider things that it helps them boost their own online profile and business. What a thing to sell your soul for by being with such a man and doing his biddings.....

I believe it's giving it a rub after application like the silca ones. I just gave mine away to a mate and moved on to immersive waxing. Two bottles is going take a while😅.

@@ILOVEDEFENDINGTHE1PERCENT ok... Might eBay it then!

yep instructions for best application found here -zerofrictioncycling.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/How-to-apply-Wax-or-Wet-Drip-lubricants-v2.pdf

I used to boil chain in old frying pan, shake in jar with degreaser/white spirit, rinse and repeat till clean. Then warm chain in dry fry pan and apply Squirt twice to warm chain and leave overnight.

My I.T lady should have uploaded this weekend - she has been a bit snowed so looks like didnt quite make it yesterday, but check back on lubricant test page on sunday (refresh page/ cache) and it should be there by then - sorry delay! small team here :)

Durianrider that rather terrible human being. Just making up out nowhere that i am racist, i make up my data, ZFC is cycling most dishonest company, i charge $200 to bikini wax chains - basically any crap he wants to think up to defame me and zfc, he is doing and pumping it out there. What a great guy.

@@zerofrictioncycling992 Wow, i don't follow that person so was not aware of those comments. Ignore them my friend! I have some questions about a specific product (squirt) and also testing protocols. Where's the best place to ask them? On here? I'm assuming you get thousands of requests!

I think for sure you have grounds to book in for marriage counselling. I mean if ones wife isnt into hour long videos from a strange rambling semi old main on bicycle chain lubrication - thats a tough one to have to work through as a couple. In the end if it doesnt work lets just hope the family court judge is a cyclist and subscriber!

@@zerofrictioncycling992 literally laughed out loud 😂

Hey lucas! i have but the initial testing we believe the product was damaged in transit (i bought 3 bottles from starbike - cost me over $300 aud) - but all 3 tested the same, and very badly. (This testing was requested by team Jumbo Visma at the time). Discussion with Dynamic and TJV we are pretty sure the product was damaged so i havent published the test or data, i need to get further in for testing but its been on a low priority as it is really hard to get (feasibly) in many parts of the world still (ie its like $55 aud shipping still for me per bottle) - and so overall global market penetration and global market interest is quite low vs many other products. I have a follower who might be getting me some on travels, but am awaiting. Wax emulsion lubricants are relatively easily damaged in transit - it is something that some mfg's have had to pay very close attention to re how their product moves around the world (ie hours in a freezing cargo hold at low pressure can split the product) - hence we are pretty certain from the very bad results that this is not dynamics actual performance at all, but..... it also means that the results i attained here could occur with consumers if theirs is similarly damaged.

Alas i cant test what the squirt low temp is aimed to help with as i dont have a test machine in a freezer! Squirt can be a solid choice for many but if i may say general feedback from most is that they wish it was much cleaner and didnt gunk up, so your feedback is different to the norm - not sure if it is just in comparison to other very dirty lubricants like muc-off etc. Squirt CAN remain quite clean if used well, but it is easily over lubed, not maintained etc and then can get gunky over a fairly short number of re lubes.

A) A good editor is really expensive. I did start with that, and it was $500 an episode, and i was still a mess. And it was more time to go back and forth on can we cut this or do we keep that as they dont know the subject - makes it is extremely difficult for them to effectively edit. So it took a lot of time, a lot of money, and was basically the same result. It could work with good editor who is also all over this area, but i dont know one... b) we are working pretty hard just to cover test costs and keep things running and c) time - this is supposed to be a little hobby business. I will be trying to get better (sorry, not my strong suite) - but at the moment if im on top of the week and i can get a spare block on a friday to pump out a vid - then i do. But you tube is for sure not my natural playground - it was not the plan when i started zfc... and i wont miss doing vids when retire! :) I apologise i just dont have time to write a script either - i just have to cover what i can when i can, i will be trying to re do more clips if they are pretty bad to be less bad, but even then sometimes i run out of time to do that.

@@zerofrictioncycling992 thank you, I really appreciate that you answered in such detail. Cutting, editing an existing recording is not an efficient way to do it. I had been a news agency editor for over 35 years, and would gladly help, but I am now over 70 and cannot offer capacities/flexibility I do not have any more. However, what could actually help you is to make short scipt for yourself of the most important points you want to cover in your video. Put that on a piece of paper in front of you when you start recording. Do not hesitate to start right away with the most important topic and move towards the less important ones as you go on. Stick to your points, do not branch off. This is not a perfect solution but since you do not have a helper this is the simplest and the cheapest.

Thanks Dawn! i will check those out. But im scared already :) And yeah man it has been a run! havent been stung for years but this summer i have had 3 bee stings and one spider bite out riding. They must have my picture out there as a wanted poster in the bee hives!