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Megachurch Pastor Robert Morris Admits to Abuse of a Minor, She was 12!!!

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Pastor Robert Morris of Gateway Church (Dallas TX) admits to a "sexually inappropriate relationship with a young lady" when he was 21 and pastoring Shady Grove Church. But what he doesn't mention is that the young lady was a pre-teen.
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@blaiseforet4198
@blaiseforet4198 2 ай бұрын
UPDATE FROM ELDERS OF GATEWAY 3pm EST: SOUTHLAKE, Texas, June 18, 2024 - Today, June 18, the Board of Elders of Gateway Church accepted the resignation of Robert Morris, the senior pastor. In addition, the Board has retained the law firm of Haynes & Boone, LLP, to conduct an independent, thorough, and professional review of the report of past abuse to ensure we have a complete understanding of the events from 1982-1987. Regretfully, prior to Friday, June 14, the elders did not have all the facts of the inappropriate relationship between Morris and the victim, including her age at the time and the length of the abuse. The elders" prior undersianding was that Morris's extramarital relationship, which he had discussed many times throughout his ministry, was with "a young lady" and not abuse of a 12-year-old child. Even though it occurred many years before Gateway was established, as leaders of the church, we regret that we did not have the information that we now have. We are heartbroken and appalled by what has come to light over the past few days, and we express our deep sympathy to the victim and her family. For the sake of the victim, we are thankful this situation has been exposed. We know many have been affected by this, we understand that you are hurting, and we are very sorry. It is our prayer that, in time, healing for all those affected can occur.
@suemeself6995
@suemeself6995 2 ай бұрын
I thought this statement was from the church he was overseeing in Alabama, and not gateway church.
@fondamclain4727
@fondamclain4727 2 ай бұрын
So true. The writing is on the wall!
@fondamclain4727
@fondamclain4727 2 ай бұрын
Yes God is exposing!!
@fondamclain4727
@fondamclain4727 2 ай бұрын
Thank you both for being real and talking about these horrible things that have been done by big shots. THANK YOU!!!!
@deborahvarneyduboise6776
@deborahvarneyduboise6776 2 ай бұрын
You know there is something that is heavy on my heart, not over looking what has happened. In fact it’s just so much worse because I have personal experience in S.Abuse, and their is one thing about abuse with this type of behavior and age timing, Means if he didn’t do this again then it would be a miracle like no other. But what I’m trying to say is I think there is something wrong and different with this case, I think that he may very well take his life..He has been hit with the worst crime in the church and he knows that the church will fade a lot because having the confidence in him will hit them hard enough that they won’t be able to stay at the church.. And people will second guess themselves and wonder why they didn’t feel something is wrong and a lot of folks; this will destroy their faith and he knows it and I just feel he may very well un- alive himself.. 😢not for him, just the whole situation at Large.. 😔
@holdontohope7286
@holdontohope7286 2 ай бұрын
I have to add a 21 yr old is not attracted to a 12 yr old unless they are psychologically twisted no amount of accountability was going to help that.
@dachater1
@dachater1 2 ай бұрын
Exactly. It’s sick
@glorialovesChrist
@glorialovesChrist 2 ай бұрын
Yes. And he was 27
@MB-sg8dx
@MB-sg8dx 2 ай бұрын
@@glorialovesChrist I believe it started when he was 21, and he was outed to her dad when he was 25… (in any case it’s 100% horrible)
@godsstruggler8783
@godsstruggler8783 Ай бұрын
Spiritually twisted, more like. Call it what it is - demonic.
@bradorchard5828
@bradorchard5828 Ай бұрын
And didn't I hear that he tried to play the "Jezebel Spirit" card? That she beguiled him, or something?!?! SERIOUSLY?!?! It also made me sad when I heard that a former pastor of mine, who used to work at Gateway Church, was ALSO fired several years ago for some kind of sexual sin 😞
@anon1687
@anon1687 Ай бұрын
What really gets me is that I was in a church related to Gateway and this kind of thing was going on. Pastors were having affairs with their secretaries, worship leaders were having affairs, etc. But I was told I was in sin, had no faith, and was demonized because I had a chronic health issue. I was having an hour a day quiet time and asking God to reveal anything in me and I was told by someone who admitted he didn’t spend 5 minutes in prayer that I was in sin. This is spiritual abuse. I’m doing much better outside the church. My faith is in God, not men.
@kimmbr22
@kimmbr22 2 ай бұрын
As I stated on another site - So why is it ok to give the abuser counseling and “restoration” and not the abused? This is what happens every time. Slaughter the sheep. And keep the Wolf. That’s what always happens. This man should be in jail. Instead, injustice is done and the criminal pastor goes free while the victim is left in pieces. Many don’t get to walk so freely in their gifts but the pastor does. When will we, the body of Christ, get it? 😢 These elders should step down too! They are just as guilty covering up a crime.
@sherylturnerturner1352
@sherylturnerturner1352 2 ай бұрын
Seeing the Big Boys Club in operation, disgusting really.
@Cwood79
@Cwood79 2 ай бұрын
You are correct. where is grace for the victim?
@karenduckett5288
@karenduckett5288 2 ай бұрын
So true!!
@asmith1230
@asmith1230 2 ай бұрын
Probably the elders in the 1980s are not the same elders now. Most likely they aren't even alive and have had to already face the Judge on these matters. God help us all!
@KelliHilario
@KelliHilario 2 ай бұрын
@@asmith1230nope. They’re alive.
@CM-zb5ed
@CM-zb5ed 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for speaking out. I feel really sickened by all of this. Defund it folks. And shut it all down; please shut it down. All of the leadership and any associated who knew or who covered this up needs to be removed.
@CaliforniaForever
@CaliforniaForever 2 ай бұрын
So glad there is no statute of limitations for sexual abuse in TX.
@paulwilson1424
@paulwilson1424 2 ай бұрын
Hey, there's a thought. She said this happened in Oklahoma and Texas. Maybe he can still be charged for the times it happened in Texas.
@deirdrehelms5958
@deirdrehelms5958 2 ай бұрын
It did not happen on TX. It was Oklahoma 😕😒😞😫
@paulwilson1424
@paulwilson1424 2 ай бұрын
@deirdrehelms5958 the report says that it happened in both states
@catherinegrace2366
@catherinegrace2366 Ай бұрын
@@paulwilson1424yes, that’s true. No statute of limitations in Texas for child sexual abuse and reports are the crimes happened in Texas and Oklahoma
@RuffledFeathers60
@RuffledFeathers60 2 ай бұрын
I was on staff with Robert at SGC during the 80’s. I will be doing a podcast in a few weeks on my personal experience with Robert. He and I butted heads the whole entire time he and I were on staff together. Robert was not out of ministry for 2 years…that is false.
@Isaiah30v21
@Isaiah30v21 2 ай бұрын
That is scary. So, Shady Grove did not hold Robert accountable for this crime. As Blaise noted, Robert should not have been allowed to be a youth pastor when he was a brand new Christian, admitting to a very wild and promiscuous life in his teens. His leaders did a terrible disservice to those ‘ministered to’ by the unqualified Morris.
@HushHush-xt7so
@HushHush-xt7so 2 ай бұрын
​@@Isaiah30v21 Morris and Bickle were far too young to be pastors. Bickle was about 20 or 21, something ridiculous like that. No bible college degree, either. Mentally weak and spiritually corrupt. Bickle in turn asked Bob Hartley to be his youth pastor at his new KC church when Hartley had only been saved for c. 3 years, and also had no bible college degree. There were some really immature and corrupt people in leadership in the 1980s.
@davidmoore4769
@davidmoore4769 2 ай бұрын
Has the ministry itself become a god where it should be protected at all costs?
@Isaiah30v21
@Isaiah30v21 2 ай бұрын
@@HushHush-xt7so thank you for this history background. We’re also realizing these people were/ are not islands. They’ve been surrounded by many who’ve, no doubt, known and checked their background and dubious history. Too many showmen, salesmen, businessmen, shysters and shills have been capitalized on for decades. Now look at the fallout and disaster left in their wake. Father God, please be merciful and usher out Your solid, trustworthy, dependable ministers and teachers. Help us be ready to be Your capable conduits during this very unprecedented time. So many hurting and damaged babies in the faith have been trifled with. Don’t let the enemy continue to use the shenanigans of these conmen draw them further away. Make a public show of these showmen and dress them down for all to see. May they all be given every opportunity to truly serve You, repent and come clean before it’s too late.
@john4226
@john4226 2 ай бұрын
I think the reason this happens so often is that newly saved people are put into positions of authority way before they are spiritually mature enough to handle the job. 1 Tim 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil." It seems like a fitting verse to me.
@estherj.tolbert8854
@estherj.tolbert8854 2 ай бұрын
YES, Christina!! He’s a predator! A 20 year old can definitely feel the difference between himself and a 12 year old!! Not just gross but predatory!!
@suezannemarie292
@suezannemarie292 2 ай бұрын
I was at GW for 12yrs! This is sickening and infuriating!! This church was built on lies and coverups!
@godsstruggler8783
@godsstruggler8783 Ай бұрын
All of the institutional church is built on sand. It is thoroughly leavened.
@JillCee
@JillCee 2 ай бұрын
Churches don’t make it easy. I had a Sunday school teacher stalking me as an adult. When I reported it, I was blamed for being the problem, even through multiple women complained about him. I did leave when I saw no one would help me.
@dbwilliams6203
@dbwilliams6203 2 ай бұрын
Where is the conviction of sin? Where is the compassion for the Wounded? My heart is grieved by this pastor's choice!
@laraderksen4297
@laraderksen4297 2 ай бұрын
I find it absolutely infuriating that a man with a net worth of 117 million dollars is unwilling to pay for his child abuse victim’s years of counselling. Instead a pitiful offering of 25k hush money is offered and he tries to convince her to sign an NDA so he can rob her of her voice on top of everything else. Then I have to listen to his devotees defend him saying how “candid” he’s been and how “truly repentant” he’s been. This is NOT what true repentance looks like.
@grace59-u9k
@grace59-u9k Ай бұрын
Repentance looks like stepping down a longggg time ago. If people knew he was a child molester, they would have never attended that church, or worked there!
@drrickmarks3725
@drrickmarks3725 2 ай бұрын
What’s troubling to me are the parents of kids who were abused by pastors who help cover up sex crimes by ministers than seek the police. Why protect the offender or church and not your child?
@boomboombelle
@boomboombelle 2 ай бұрын
agreed!!!! straight to the police I would go!
@johanitalouw9315
@johanitalouw9315 2 ай бұрын
They want to protect the church, i e their jobs and future!!😮
@TheBroomehilda
@TheBroomehilda 2 ай бұрын
I agree. But there’s also the point that court and the whole process is extremely hard on the victim especially back then. This could be a factor.
@TheBroomehilda
@TheBroomehilda Ай бұрын
@@carolinasongbird3362it is sick indeed. You are so right.
@marysilvergirl6025
@marysilvergirl6025 Ай бұрын
It's not a guarantee that the police would have believed her or even done anything.
@dusankakandija7423
@dusankakandija7423 2 ай бұрын
qualifications of an overseer or pastor include: "he MUST NOT BE a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil" (1 Timothy 3:6)
@YeshuaMostHigh
@YeshuaMostHigh 2 ай бұрын
Wow, the Word of the just Judge. Preach!!
@cricketmay8640
@cricketmay8640 2 ай бұрын
Christina, you are so spot on. I was just thinking that. He wrote a book about why he stepped down which was a lie. And he made money off of the fact that he’s lying. I want to give him grace, but the fact that they wanted to discount how much they gave the victim, and then all the money he made off of the book lying about it. It’s too much.
@HushHush-xt7so
@HushHush-xt7so 2 ай бұрын
He was big on tithing and had 100,000 members. After 30+ years his net worth is $117,000,000. Lots of reasons to lie.
@glorialovesChrist
@glorialovesChrist 2 ай бұрын
@@HushHush-xt7so I think that's a super high estimate I think he's closer to 20 million dollars.. but I hope the victim sues the church, and Morris.
@carolinasongbird3362
@carolinasongbird3362 Ай бұрын
@@HushHush-xt7so This is the number I have as well. No matter how much he has, if he "wants to be blessed by God", he'd better cough up his 10% and send it on over to Cindy.
@Creativetda
@Creativetda 2 ай бұрын
Hey elders of that church, what did you do to restore THE VICTIM of criminal behavior while you were restoring Robert morris? Huh? Oh that’s right, morris is so much more valuable and used mightily by God.
@laraderksen4297
@laraderksen4297 2 ай бұрын
It’s just so infuriating.
@amberhebert2062
@amberhebert2062 2 ай бұрын
This is not ministry, This is industry.
@zekitty1
@zekitty1 Ай бұрын
YES!!!!!!!!!!!
@Creativetda
@Creativetda 2 ай бұрын
God is exposing wolves and ENABLERS of wolves.
@mikemuncy7464
@mikemuncy7464 2 ай бұрын
And most of them are in Pentecostal churches!
@caroltomlin8822
@caroltomlin8822 2 ай бұрын
@@mikemuncy7464Be careful. It wasn’t that long ago the wolves were in the Catholic Churches. Likely there will be other churches.
@tiffanyemiliano5375
@tiffanyemiliano5375 2 ай бұрын
That’s EXACTLY right as I feel we are not giving due attention to church boards, elders, leadership,ministry colleagues -I find it unfathomable that such gross moral and spiritual compromise is occurring and everyone is simply oblivious. I call it more cognitive dissonant, intentional blindness to see, acknowledge and act on what they see going on but do not want to get involved in. The Lord God is ever merciful, loving and patient but the time clock does run out if we do not biblically handle the issue in the righteous, restorative way the Lord desires.
@truthseeker4869
@truthseeker4869 2 ай бұрын
@@mikemuncy7464Wrong! It’s across all denominations
@lionjudah8900
@lionjudah8900 2 ай бұрын
​@@mikemuncy7464 It's in a lot of types of churches. Case in point, the Catholic Churches are riddled with these predatory wolves! Never let your children be "altar boys!"
@SallyCleland-ve6kh
@SallyCleland-ve6kh 2 ай бұрын
So - “ a moral failure “ -- is once - A 12yr old, sexual Abuse for 4. 1/2 yrs - is not a moral failure ! Thats deliberate intentional acts with a minor. RM was married as well and had the nerve to as typical of peadophilic behaviour to swear her to secrecy !! Nope !! Nope ,nope !
@cathyB3713
@cathyB3713 2 ай бұрын
% 100
@nickypendleton4066
@nickypendleton4066 2 ай бұрын
Morris net worth is 117 million which is a whole nother scandal
@oneknb
@oneknb 2 ай бұрын
Further research disclosed that Robert Morris was out of ministry for only ONE MONTH before traveling in ministry with James Robison (though he wasn't at Shady Grove for two years). That was NOT sufficient discipline in light of what Scriptures dictate as standards for ministers -- besides the fact that molesting a 12-year-old CHILD is a crime. May righteousness, truth and JUSTICE be established within the Church of Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 -- "I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler-not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
@amberhebert2062
@amberhebert2062 2 ай бұрын
Isn’t James Robinson the one who told Robert he had tons of demons in him?
@couragedearheart2951
@couragedearheart2951 Ай бұрын
No amount of TIME qualified him back into ministry EVER.
@wandaadam1327
@wandaadam1327 2 ай бұрын
There are more abused by him that need to come forward. He can still 'pastor' in prison.
@benjaminlee5050
@benjaminlee5050 2 ай бұрын
All of these cases of clergy abuse and the elders hiding it makes me wonder has there ever been a church leadership board that has had integrity and done the right thing?!
@dolly7639
@dolly7639 2 ай бұрын
See FAI. Happened the same time as IHOPKC, massively different response.
@asmith1230
@asmith1230 2 ай бұрын
​@@dolly7639Hello, what does FAI stand for? If you Google "FAI abuse" the results list referee abuses in Irish football...
@reesecop
@reesecop 2 ай бұрын
​@@dolly7639 Who or what is FAI??
@ceri64
@ceri64 2 ай бұрын
I did share of my abuse with my teenage children when the investigation started. They both knew my abuser. I was amazed at how mature and supportive they were to me! Me sharing also enabled my daughter to speak out immediately when a man started stalking her at work, even attending our Church just to sit near her. Because she had the courage to speak out, the leadership had her dad to speak to him and he was asked to leave our church. Her work manager and colleagues also rallied around to protect her. I thank God that I did share my story with them.
@dolly7639
@dolly7639 Ай бұрын
@reesecop Frontier Alliance International. They bring the gospel to very dangerous countries. Dalton Thomas was removed for an affair, and Joel Richardson is now the director. He's a Godly man in my opinion.
@atrascendentlifewithjose-wv9ml
@atrascendentlifewithjose-wv9ml 2 ай бұрын
he should be in prison, period, the same with anyone who covered this up
@richardmorris363
@richardmorris363 2 ай бұрын
Even IF the young girl was being provocative, the older person, the adult AND MINISTER should properly manage the situation.
@waltergunther5732
@waltergunther5732 2 ай бұрын
.... selfcontrol. Pentecostal Charismatic movers and shaker's are seduced by signs and wonders
@HushHush-xt7so
@HushHush-xt7so 2 ай бұрын
She wasn't though. She said he invited her to his room. He initiated everything because his heart was deceitful above all things and desperately wicked.
@carolvanrooyen2488
@carolvanrooyen2488 Ай бұрын
@@HushHush-xt7so if he invited her why did she go? she could say no? ? ... I’m sure she could have gone directly to her parents room and tell them he “invited” me to his room... would love to know the truth is what actually happened 🤔😳
@deborahcatalano261
@deborahcatalano261 Ай бұрын
A 12 year old would not know of his sexual intent. Robert and Debbie were guests in her home.
@frankwirt
@frankwirt 2 ай бұрын
"The love of money is the root of all evil".... that sums up the issues that so many of these million dollar preachers have
@GiuseppeJoseph
@GiuseppeJoseph Ай бұрын
Does anyone else find it weirdly ironic that the church was called Shady Grove ? S H A D Y - you can not make this stuff up
@EverlastingLife-pl9ug
@EverlastingLife-pl9ug 2 ай бұрын
It will be shocking if this was the only minor he was involved with.
@IanTate-zm6dm
@IanTate-zm6dm 2 ай бұрын
Agree!!
@aprilm3453
@aprilm3453 2 ай бұрын
True 😢
@laurenmay2098
@laurenmay2098 2 ай бұрын
I don't think so.
@sallyshaw4910
@sallyshaw4910 2 ай бұрын
Totally agree!
@terriperry9434
@terriperry9434 2 ай бұрын
I've worked with sexual predators and child victims for years. They don't stop at one child. EVER.
@caramia4483
@caramia4483 Ай бұрын
Gives a whole new meaning to “shady” grove
@williambleckley9058
@williambleckley9058 2 ай бұрын
BTW WAY GUYS, HE RECOUNTED HOW LONG HE WAS OUT OF MINISTRY, IT WASNT 2 YEARS HE SAID IT WAS 1 MONTH
@lavontolbert3864
@lavontolbert3864 2 ай бұрын
True! He went to work for James Roberson
@RuffledFeathers60
@RuffledFeathers60 2 ай бұрын
He worked for Robison BEFORE he was at Shady Grove church.
@HushHush-xt7so
@HushHush-xt7so 2 ай бұрын
@@RuffledFeathers60 James Robison used to confront crooked preachers back in the day then his spine collapsed.
@paulwilson1424
@paulwilson1424 2 ай бұрын
​@@RuffledFeathers60How does that work when he has talked about only being saved a few months before preaching at SG
@thomassoerens9908
@thomassoerens9908 2 ай бұрын
I think the story is: He stepped down from pastoring for 2 years. He worked a lowly humbling "regular job" like the common people for a month before landing a non-preaching, non-pastoring job with James Robison ministries.
@pamelalanno315
@pamelalanno315 Ай бұрын
I am so glad to hear your thoughts about this horror story. It is exactly what I have been thinking about this wolf in sheep’s clothing ! People need to hear sound people addressing this as your are. I am sick of hearing others dismiss the severity of his behavior saying he repented, had counseling etc etc and has had a fruitful ministry. Ugh! Someone who calls himself a pastor does not blame his criminal behavior on the 12 year old victim he defiled, nor does he cover over the details of that behavior to minimize it. Where is the brokenness for what he did to a 12 year old girl who was the daughter of a friend whose home he was invited into in order to help him move forward in ministry? The brazenness of this creep to do this under the roof of friends that believed in him and trusted him! As you said, if he was truly a man of God and repentant, he would jump at the chance to do anything to make restitution to this woman! And then wanting an NDA on top of it! Sickening ! The few times I watched this wolf on TV I never felt good about him and his message- too focused on money most of the time and just did not give me a good feeling. Those pastors involved in this cover up should be held to account as well! They are guilty for aiding and abetting this unrepentant predator ! I can’t believe how deluded people are in their comments supporting this guy. The Biblical references they use are so skewed. It doesn’t seem they are very Biblically literate let alone have common sense in seeing the reality of this situation.
@sicilywyatt8396
@sicilywyatt8396 2 ай бұрын
This is so common in church. To be blindly loyal to the pastor or leaders. I’ve been greatly harmed by several pastors, not sexual abuse, but abuse non the less and when I sought help for what had happened I was made out the the bad guy. No one believed me, supported me because they see these pastors as gods that can do no wrong. So the sheep are left to fend for themselves and eventually lose the “family” They have because most will stay loyal to the pastor.
@Grandma428
@Grandma428 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, and when you leave an abusive ministry, they flick it off as “church hurt” that (God forbid!) you better not carry offense about. But I watched the Lord deal with an abusive church years ago. Pastoral team passed before their time, church closed.
@ReLair88
@ReLair88 2 ай бұрын
You all need to watch Justin Peter's interview with a former employee of Robert Morris at his church. The story he had told his church about the "young lady" was horrific. He made himself the victim in the situation. The former employer was outraged at what he had been told vs what the press is saying and the elders are saying. And this implicates James Robison in coverup, given what this former employee said.
@cathyB3713
@cathyB3713 2 ай бұрын
yes that was such a great interview ! Morris actually blamed the 12 year old saying she had a seducing jezebel spirit he could not resist ????OMG !! a 12 year old !!
@carolyndunegan3505
@carolyndunegan3505 2 ай бұрын
Thank you Blaise & Christina The focus on how the abuser is feeling and what they need is a large part of the silence in girls & women They are led into guilt and confusion that they are hurting everyone by speaking up
@dusankakandija7423
@dusankakandija7423 2 ай бұрын
You need to watch the interview with a former elder of Robert Morris over at Justin Peters Ministries that just came out. It is groundbreaking! You 2 are wonderful, thank you❤ God bless you and all here
@mvg5165
@mvg5165 2 ай бұрын
That’s a crime against a child how gross he needs to go to prison
@user-rn5ej3kh7x
@user-rn5ej3kh7x 2 ай бұрын
It’s all about the love of money it’s about celebrity status. It is not about being a servant and serving those at your ministering to. That’s just the starting point.
@sarahkrell187
@sarahkrell187 2 ай бұрын
What in the world were parents thinking letting their young girls be alone with older men back then? I have 12/14 year old girls and, while we have youth pastors we trust, we would NEVER leave them alone together. Ever! For everyone’s safety. This is not meant as defense for the deplorable behavior of Morris/Bickle, but where in the world were the parents who did not protect their kids.
@kramsdrawde8159
@kramsdrawde8159 2 ай бұрын
Jimmy Swaggert is another preacher who was "restored" , the scripture never speaks of restoring a disqualified pastor ... also it is NOT the function of the Church to prosecute the LAWS of the STATE !!! STATE LAWS and STATE PURVIEW !!!
@HushHush-xt7so
@HushHush-xt7so 2 ай бұрын
Swaggart left the AG after they said he was not ready to return.
@kramsdrawde8159
@kramsdrawde8159 2 ай бұрын
@@HushHush-xt7so The point here is after being disqualified there is no biblical path bck to the Pastor position, but the charismatic care little for scripture as we both know the false prophets make things up as they go along ...who needs scripture when you go off of what you SAY God has said ...
@kkitao217
@kkitao217 2 ай бұрын
Lots of good insights. Thank you. If you had read further in the book, you would have learned that after a month of working nights as a security guard, Morris decided he had dealt with his pride sufficiently and rejoined the evangelist he had worked for before, so he lied about the two years out of ministry. Justin Peters interviewed a man who had worked with Morris, and he had a lot to say that throws even more light on the lack of authenticity of Morris’ repentance.
@mattpoulsen520
@mattpoulsen520 2 ай бұрын
Robert Morris net worth…. $114 MILLION and the guy couldn’t give her $50k for her mental health. Doesn’t sound like repentance to me.
@namelesswreck6383
@namelesswreck6383 Ай бұрын
I wish people would stop giving money to mega churches ⛪ 🐺🐀
@boomboombelle
@boomboombelle 2 ай бұрын
"Let go of the exaltation of man..." 💯 The secret of showing honor where honor is due, but not giving in to a hierarchical mindset.
@joniford3979
@joniford3979 2 ай бұрын
I agree that he is apostate. You do not write a book LYING about past sins if you are changed by Christ. I am so glad that these wolves are all being exposed by God and the tares are being exposed as a result. Far too many people losing their souls trying to gain worldly wealth! Run Christians!! If your whole congregation cannot approach your Pastor comfortably...RUN!! He (or She) is a wolf, not a shepherd!!
@keithbryner40
@keithbryner40 2 ай бұрын
Youth ministry in the 80's and 90's was disgusting! Just look at the sexualized games and objectification of young teens. The idea was that we were to "fish" for the "popular jocks and hotties" in order to bring more kids to "Jesus." When I came into youth ministry in the late '90's (in a dual position with Youth for Christ as a Campus Life Director/UMC Youth Director), I was a classically trained social worker. I was stunned. The question was not if but when clergy sexual abuse would happen. In fact, in training, I saw youth meetings that were breeding grounds for inappropriate behavior, not only for youth but youth leaders as well. I saw some things change, but the overall landscape was still very stetchy. Sorry, this is big soap box for me. Again, look where this started with both Bickle and Morris... youth ministry. The problem didn't start with them however, the youth ministry landscape invited this type of behavior. This is in no way leaves Bickle and Morris off the hook. The culture of youth ministry did however dump gasoline on their aready raging fire.
@GraceFilledDaisies
@GraceFilledDaisies 2 ай бұрын
I was a former youth leader and I 💯 think that youth ministry should not exist at all. I do not think it's biblical.
@reesecop
@reesecop 2 ай бұрын
​@GraceFilledDaisies That's quite a statement. There are plenty of healthy youth ministries. Sorry you never saw or participated in one. There's nothing "unbiblical" about reaching youth for Christ. It can be as simple as a solid married couple holding a Bible Study for teens/those about to enter college and being available to them for questions, guidance and prayer. Not every teen has Christian parents, so having adults willing to be there for young people in this way is invaluable.
@glorialovesChrist
@glorialovesChrist 2 ай бұрын
He was 27 sexually abused a 12 year old till 18. Why didnt her parents call the police. Putting child abusers in jail is forgiveness. I had to forgive myself for not putting my abusers in jail. I hope she takes the pastor to civil court and sues. What about his wife too ? 😡
@denalowry8710
@denalowry8710 2 ай бұрын
The abuse was till the victim was 16
@glorialovesChrist
@glorialovesChrist 2 ай бұрын
@@denalowry8710 sorry. Yes and still a child.
@glorialovesChrist
@glorialovesChrist 2 ай бұрын
Till 16 sorry
@glorialovesChrist
@glorialovesChrist Ай бұрын
Sorry. He was 21 she was 12 . Until 16
@glorialovesChrist
@glorialovesChrist Ай бұрын
Yes sorry. He was 21 she 12 until 16
@traceyforrest4193
@traceyforrest4193 2 ай бұрын
Morris has also been NAR adjacent for years. More rotten fruit from the same poisonous tree.
@deborahlee4441
@deborahlee4441 2 ай бұрын
Carl lentz has a crappy attitude . He has made some really annoying comments. He wants us to feel sorry for his situation and we should not.
@cathyB3713
@cathyB3713 2 ай бұрын
I agree with what is said here that he has been most honest but at the same time still something is very off and they seem to like the limelight /fame. What not just keep quiet and get on with your lives ?
@johanitalouw9315
@johanitalouw9315 Ай бұрын
​@@cathyB3713 Limelight = ego and money$$$$
@michellehoutchens8506
@michellehoutchens8506 2 ай бұрын
Thank you!! You said all the things I thought. Some of these others that I heard saying he was a good guy otherwise, makes me feel physically ill! It is time for the church to wake up to these men and the ones that support them to continue to injure the victims. There will likely be more victims.
@worshipinspiritandtruth
@worshipinspiritandtruth 2 ай бұрын
A couple years ago my bible study did a video study of one of Robert Morris’ books. I remember being so disturbed by his video teachings…not the content but his very presence. I knew something was off with him. When I heard he was a child molester I was not surprised and thanked the Holy Spirit for giving me discernment and warning me so I didn’t continue following any of his teachings.
@laraderksen4297
@laraderksen4297 2 ай бұрын
I didn’t feel good about him either.😢
@CaliforniaForever
@CaliforniaForever 2 ай бұрын
He creeped me out too.
@dachater1
@dachater1 2 ай бұрын
He does have those creepy vibes
@ruthmayforth5933
@ruthmayforth5933 2 ай бұрын
He said he was saved at 19. How was he a pastor at the age of 20???!!!! He was both a new convert and young, and does not seem like he went to seminary…
@HushHush-xt7so
@HushHush-xt7so 2 ай бұрын
It was the same with Mike Bickle. A small church wanted a pastor, heard him speak once, then asked him to be their pastor. Age: 20/21. I don't think they asked if he had a bible college or seminary degree. But he did have 3 months at a bible camp in Colorado. So he figured that was good enough. Bob Hartley became a youth pastor for Bickle only 3 years after he was saved. Why? Because Bob Jones the "prophet" said Hartley was ready. (This is all written up in Daniel Falls' book on Pat Bickle and the KC prophets.) Please keep kids out of leadership. Thank you.
@dachater1
@dachater1 2 ай бұрын
Plus he had a very sexually immoral past
@Gerwoman
@Gerwoman 2 ай бұрын
@@HushHush-xt7so both probably stayed at the Holiday Inn Express for a night as the qualifier instead of seminary. How is it possible that we do not require some schooling or a degree for ministers when you need a license to drive a forklift.
@pjhotosean
@pjhotosean 2 ай бұрын
Judgement begins with the house of God.😢
@tonyahewett5923
@tonyahewett5923 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for tackling this. I am in shock. I go to a church that is/was connected to Gateway.
@Gerwoman
@Gerwoman 2 ай бұрын
I agree with both of you 100%. Thanks keep speaking truth.
@BruceWayne48487
@BruceWayne48487 2 ай бұрын
Bro should be in jail.
@lindiharris-axon8167
@lindiharris-axon8167 Ай бұрын
It doesn't matter how sexy the girl looked or how puberty affected her. YOU DON"T A SEX WITH A PERSON YOU HAVE POWER OVER, IS MUCH OLDER AND NOT AT THE AGE OF CONSENT to having sex with you. Not to mention someone you aren't married to. And no matter how sexy you think a woman looks or is dressing, IT IS NOT AN INVITATION FOR RAPE OR OTHER SEXUAL ABUSE. He was the adult, he was the abuser, it's ALL on him. I do not understand these people who will justify this kind of thing.
@janetm1152
@janetm1152 2 ай бұрын
I look at my 12 year old and in no way is she flirtatious. She's still innocent minded, all about playing here and there. How can anyone think a 12 year old would be into a grown man or any male in a sexual manner? Protect the children, people.
@sharonyoung8251
@sharonyoung8251 Ай бұрын
Even if a 12 year old girl were interested in a man, he is the adult and should figure the situation. I’m not saying this girl in any way encouraged this.
@deborahcatalano261
@deborahcatalano261 Ай бұрын
I agree - minds are depraved.
@kathyparadise9218
@kathyparadise9218 2 ай бұрын
Maybe the way we are doing ministry is just not working. Should we be thinking that so so much needs to change. No big platforms. To many stars not enough servants. Help us Lord!
@amandabowers9396
@amandabowers9396 2 ай бұрын
This!! 💯
@stevendonohoe2150
@stevendonohoe2150 2 ай бұрын
The error of hierarchy is the greatest threat to the body of Christ. This is what Jesus is trying to expose, the moral failures are just symptoms of the false church system .
@jenniferpackard6558
@jenniferpackard6558 2 ай бұрын
Completely agree!!! This is the bad root. Also it's not just the ministry at fault but the people in the congregation that idolize the leader/pastor and don't think they should be subject to the same standards of morality. It is just unbelievable. Also, everyone I have heard on social media that is in ministry is beating the drum of "don't isolate" and "just find a good church". Which in my opinion shows they don't get it yet. How can we trust leadership when the system remains the same??
@stevendonohoe2150
@stevendonohoe2150 2 ай бұрын
@jenniferpackard6558 I know its frustrating when everybody is focussing on the sin & not the false church system that allows this dysfunction to thrive. I hear people say he shouldn't be restored to that position when I'm screaming the position was in error to begin with. The position, the title, the individual authority is all error. We are all equals with different functions yes, but equal in authority. Even elders that would oversee a group of beleivers didn't claim individual authority like these Celebrity Pastor's & other Ephesian 4 beleivers. Why is it so hard for the body of Christ to grasp this truth of equality. I know why because the traditions of men has nullified the word of God just as Paul warned. We should be making every effort to flee even the perception of hierarchy, yet we embrace it with our stages, VIP front row area ect.. Allowing one person called pastor to dominte every gathering while the rest of the body just sits their silent. Its all junk apon junk apon junk. Jesus said the Gentiles Lord it over one another with authority, but not so among you because you are all brothers & sisters. (Equals)
@lionjudah8900
@lionjudah8900 2 ай бұрын
"I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem a horrible thing: they commit adultery and walk in lies; they encourage and strengthen the hands of evildoers, so that none returns from his wickedness. They have all of them become to Me like Sodom, and her inhabitants like Gomorrah." Jereimiah 23:14
@stephenfennell
@stephenfennell 2 ай бұрын
That is an especially apposite verse, Jeremiah 23:14. I think we should all learn it by heart.
@johanitalouw9315
@johanitalouw9315 Ай бұрын
Wow...... God's truth❤
@ezbless100
@ezbless100 2 ай бұрын
I listened to a preaching today, a clip, can't find it right now, where he elaborated what kind of "girls" he went after, admitting to predatory behavior, girls that had troubled relationships with their dads.....not sure how many girls he refered to
@GraceFilledDaisies
@GraceFilledDaisies 2 ай бұрын
I saw that 😮😢
@godsstruggler8783
@godsstruggler8783 Ай бұрын
Like all narcissists, he could spot vulnerability. It's a spirit - a predatory, manipulative and lying spirit.
@wendycollins765
@wendycollins765 2 ай бұрын
Victim stated 12-16 so 4 years he used her, while married with a child, and the abuse started in a senior pastor home?!? That would make him 25 ish when caught and exposed-then minimized-still in Morris mind minimized to call her a young lady, not prepubescent female that was threatened not to tell anyone! Just when will the church opening admit the leaders should all go through deliverance until there is a clean heart.
@silviagarza4684
@silviagarza4684 2 ай бұрын
Not a ‘young lady’. She was a child at 12.
@paulinekingston7479
@paulinekingston7479 2 ай бұрын
I just have to say, what an appropriate name for that church..."Shady Grove", I hope there is nothing else covered up there. And I hope the elders etc are confronted by the people...NOW, no matter how many years have gone by. That poor little girl, what an evil thing to happen to her.
@mborthful
@mborthful 2 ай бұрын
I am constantly amazed and grateful at the ability you both show to speak truth in love ( I know even that phrase has become like a cliche) so articulately. It is baffling that anyone would see anything in you two but utter love for God, the church and those broken by those who should have protected them. I can't thank you enough for your courage.
@stengerp1
@stengerp1 2 ай бұрын
Here we go again!!! Clean your house Lord!!!
@paulwilson1424
@paulwilson1424 2 ай бұрын
Something I have to disagree with you on. Timothy and a Titus are not vague at all. They are written in a plain simple way. People want to believe that its vague because it sounds harsh when you read the definitions of the words used. I would suggest getting a good Greek, Hebrew computer program and study in the original languages. Something a lot of people need to understand is these "pastors" were not used by God. They were used by Satan to confuse the body of Christ. Honestly everybody that served under them needs to step down, and search themselves for what falsehoods they have accepted and passed on to others.
@tripletgirl2484
@tripletgirl2484 2 ай бұрын
These days there are Mandatory Reporting laws. It’s required by law for anyone in authority with information of SA to report it immediately. Crimes against children are particularly egregious, thank you for pointing this out. Also, the 80s were not known for strong Biblical teaching or discernment in the church.
@troymccullagh
@troymccullagh Ай бұрын
A lawyer who blames the victim needs to be disbarred!! That is evil! Too many enablers in leadership at church, parents, lawyers, etc... all letting it be covered up! It is sickening!
@kindnessheals
@kindnessheals 2 ай бұрын
So appreciate you guys.
@juliemayes2027
@juliemayes2027 2 ай бұрын
Morris is a liar and he should have been called out years ago for his aberrant heretical blasphemous false teachings this goes with the territory he should never have been in ministry as soon as he touched that child now woman I pray he gets saved and woman gets justice plus EVERYONE who knew about it should get out of ministry and repent and don’t forget the wife she knew but probably under influence of this despicable and lying man praying for her too
@scottdwyer4776
@scottdwyer4776 2 ай бұрын
Being molested as a child has such a complex destructive effect on the human psyche and heart, it's almost like a mental, emotional, and spiritual, shotgun effect. Some people end up needing decades of therapy, sometimes the damage done is irreparable, it's a violation that is so profound, it robs the child of their innocence, sense of personal safety, bring so much confusion, and also destroys healthy instinctive boundaries through the grooming process which systematically tears down normal and necessary defense mechanisms, and even defiles and corrupts the child, can even strip them of their God given sense of dignity 😔
@MB-sg8dx
@MB-sg8dx 2 ай бұрын
Inability to apologize is a characteristic of narcissism (which is related to Jezebel)
@saywhat2651
@saywhat2651 2 ай бұрын
They’re saying “Prior” to starting the current church, to protect the churches finances. He should be held accountable and be financially responsible for her therapy and more. Glad you’re covering this, these wolves need to be dealt with.
@VeronicaTelaro-bu8rb
@VeronicaTelaro-bu8rb 2 ай бұрын
So sick that they blamed a 12 year old! She flirted! What kind of idiot thinks a little kids crush is the same as an adult predator wolfing! Also, why is this so widespread? Other denominations did the same thing! God is cleaning the rot out!
@pbcaylor1796
@pbcaylor1796 2 ай бұрын
I appreciate you guys taking this on. I suggest watching interviews w/2 Pastors who served in and under ministry w/Morris. One by Justin Peters, and one by CBN News. Robert was ALREADY IN “ministry,” traveling as an evangelist at 17-18 WHEN HE claims he got saved in a hotel at 19. The 2 “elders” who met w/Robert’s victim and her family were James Robison and (current) “Apostolic Elder” Olen Griffing. Griffing was a State Trooper at the time. Lots more KNOWN deats to expose.
@user-yp7uj5rk2v
@user-yp7uj5rk2v 2 ай бұрын
A leader, elder, pastor etc. must be without reproach 1 Timothy 5:7
@reconciledHRT
@reconciledHRT 2 ай бұрын
Humans are sooo slow to learn. How many of these do we need before we learn? It's crazy!! It's like in all allegations all the accused and all those who quickly come to their defense are reading from the same script, over and over again. Do they not watch how other scandals go down? It's like the twilight zone out here.🤯
@wendyrobert6715
@wendyrobert6715 Ай бұрын
Thanks again for a great podcast!! It was very helpful!!
@disciple.s
@disciple.s 2 ай бұрын
SHAWN BOLZ. Can you please answer our questions on when and where Shawn Bolz admitted to data mining? Transparency…
@user-xm1gc1bs1c
@user-xm1gc1bs1c 2 ай бұрын
Been WAITING for you guys to talk about this!!! Thank you!!! 🙏🏻 💔🙏🏻
@Gregoire0
@Gregoire0 2 ай бұрын
Mike Bickle could be interested in pastoral position in Gateway church ⛪
@janabickham8909
@janabickham8909 2 ай бұрын
We need "fear of the Lord" restored.
@stevendonohoe2150
@stevendonohoe2150 2 ай бұрын
The body of Christ needs to leave the error of Hierarchy & equality needs to be preached from the roof tops so we return to correct doctrine.
@warninghispeople1298
@warninghispeople1298 2 ай бұрын
With child predators, which he was, there is NEVER EVER only one predator if they are allowed to continue in ministry. The saddest thing is there’s most likely many many victims in this wolves wake, but she was the only one brave enough at this point to share her story with the world, which is extremely hard to do. PK for 40 years and working with trafficked victims, some of major church leaders, I have enough stories to fill a book.
@jmkqfnvyl87
@jmkqfnvyl87 2 ай бұрын
It turns out there is no statute of limitation on that sort of thing in Texas. . . Gosh. . . He really should have taken the settlement. Boz is gonna tear him up. . .
@angelirohival6270
@angelirohival6270 2 ай бұрын
It appears that the church elders of Shady Grove were…” shady”.
@keriwhite2521
@keriwhite2521 Ай бұрын
To whom much is given, much is required. Restoration and forgiveness is available for all who ask. But, the Consequences of his hidden, deceptive, and criminal sin must be dealt with in a court of law. He is accountable and responsible for his criminal actions on an innocent child. All this time while proclaiming to be a Christian and pastoring. Gifted or not this is a mockery. This may seem harsh, but I was molested as a child by my step dad and still deal with the trauma of the abuse. She needs justice!
@joianguiano65
@joianguiano65 2 ай бұрын
Elders and lawyers have just as much accountability here as well as enabling
@angelirohival6270
@angelirohival6270 2 ай бұрын
And I thought my church was mean because the pastors actually practice church discipline. They do not mess around.
@denalowry8710
@denalowry8710 2 ай бұрын
Down with Gateway. All sincere workers and believers there - flee out of there asap
@reconciledHRT
@reconciledHRT 2 ай бұрын
I'm guessing Christina is cerebral. Blaise makes certain statements and her mental calculator goes off and her eye motions are like 🧐+/_×*=! Love Her! 😅
@tracydyar7526
@tracydyar7526 2 ай бұрын
Wow. I think “pride” was when he wrote that passage!
@MightyWomanOfGod9050
@MightyWomanOfGod9050 2 ай бұрын
NAR ‘apostles’ believe they do NOT sin!
@deborahlee4441
@deborahlee4441 2 ай бұрын
We are missing the word of God. We need to read the Bible as a whole not just the NT on its own. It’s not as scary as people think. It’s the law of liberty
@YeshuaMostHigh
@YeshuaMostHigh 2 ай бұрын
Yeshua said- If you love me, keep my commandments. The Creator took the time to tell us how we can best live out our earthly experience, and revealed His great love for us. If we love the whole Bible, our theology, and our lives, will be whole too.
@gabbyheusser6503
@gabbyheusser6503 2 ай бұрын
In one of his sermons, Robert actually said that he looked women with no father and were vulnerable…that’s a preditor Robert’s words….yikes. It was just on KZfaq yesterday 😢
@kotzting
@kotzting 2 ай бұрын
Mike Bickle- "Dude, what were you thinking?" Robert Morris-"Mike, you told me she was 14!"
@grace2bme988
@grace2bme988 2 ай бұрын
Carl Lentz just accepted an assistant pastor role in some church … check it out.. he’s back !!
@dusankakandija7423
@dusankakandija7423 2 ай бұрын
there is also now "mega maniacs" podcast where the former HR director of world harvest church (pastor rod parsley) is exposing terrible spiritual abuse going on there... God bless
@EverlastingLife-pl9ug
@EverlastingLife-pl9ug 2 ай бұрын
Can he still be held criminally responsible?!
@Isaiah30v21
@Isaiah30v21 2 ай бұрын
Boz Tchividjian is representing her and says he’s unsure if they are past the Statute of Limitations.
@teohproject
@teohproject 2 ай бұрын
TX has no statues of limitations so yes he can go to the Penn
@dusankakandija7423
@dusankakandija7423 2 ай бұрын
also, Biblically, ne recent convert should ever become a pastor
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