Thanks for having me on guys. I hope the armchair investigators turn their focus on the Prophetic History even more now.

This was the hardest podcast to listen to so far, but healthy and healing. Former ihopper here.

Prophesying a directional call to bind someone to a prayer room (especially when they are that young) is so horrifying).

I want to say thank you to Blaise and Christina for creating a platform and helping people process the many stages of exposure and grief, that people go through when experiencing spiritual abuse and betrayal. I’ve been a Christian since 1973 and have experienced all of the stuff several times over. It is all part of the school of Christ, in maturing us as believers. Setting us free from the fear of man, being a man pleaser, and being a “respecter of men’s persons.” Being a respecter of men’s persons is when you pledge your loyalty to men over the truth of God’s word. This is where the politics of religion come in and corruption, because men don’t hold each other accountable to the truth. Leaders, then surround themselves with a bunch of yes-man that let them do whatever they want. The true prophetic word for the body of Christ is mutual accountability. We are either servants of the Spirit, or prisoners of the organization.

“Everybody who is (having dreams and visions) is telling their stories, and everyone else is fasting and praying to get their own.” When I was there I was in awe of the people who had stories to tell, and I wanted SO BADLY to have my own stories. I was chasing something that wasn’t even real. Now, I am so thankful I never caught it.

I was involved with the Kansas City prophets starting in 1987 and 1988. I was in a meeting in East Texas when Mike Bickel, Paul Cain, Francis Frangipane all came to East Texas to meet Brother Ravenhill for the first time. I was good friends with Noel Alexander and he would come to Garden Valley Texas to speak at prayer conferences at our church. And I knew something was wrong when Noel disassociated himself from the Kansas City Fellowship. Noel is and was a true man of God. When the house of prayer began, I had friends that became deeply in involved with the movement, they pretty much became “Mike Bickelites” and begin preaching like him and praying like him. I graciously warned them that God didn’t want us to be mimicking what other people were doing! I told them that this ministry was being built around disciplines that are supposed to be hidden disciplines-Praying in Secret, fasting in secret, and giving in secret. They cut me off for several years because I questioned the direction they were going. I visited Kansas City IHOP at different times and left with the feeling- This place is a cult!! It seems my discernment was accurate!

This kind of sounds like Joseph Smith “Mike Bickle” and the formation of the Mormon church “IHOP” and the Book of Mormon “Prophetic History Recordings”, Joseph Smith multiple wives “Mike multiple Women” some really young, throw in a lil Bible but mostly built on a men’s prophecies? Wow, I didn’t realize this about IHOP, scary!

Christina’s question “What is “the prophetic history?”… most important part of the video!

Thank you so much! Please do a part 2, if it helps you to process all of this. It’s certainly helping me. Thank you, again!!

Great interview 🙏 praying for all who have been hurt by this. Thank God for bringing all things the light.

Blaise and Austin, it would be helpful to the body of Christ for you both to process through and share how it was that you were deceived and what you have learned about how to prevent it in the future. We know that many will be DECEIVED by the antiChrist, and what you have learned may be extremely beneficial and prevent others from making similar mistakes in the future. One was clearly being in a sleep-deprived, overworked, “bubble” situation. But other insights that you have would really benefit us I think, and may be part of how you can help prepare the church for the end times which seem to be quickly descending on us. Thanks so much to you both for sharing what you have, it is a timely, important work!

For those of us that were never in IHOP this work you do is very important in learning how a cult looks and a glimpse of how it works these days. Im very thankful for your vulnerability and willingness to share that part of your story and of yourselves with strangers, too. I appreciate real and beyond the surface talk on itchy topics that helps us all grow and also be on out toes. May the Lord keep you in His truth, covered and protected and you speak was is needed, with a heart for the truth and for the Person of Jesus. Take care and keep up the good work!!

This was so good. Personally, the story of the hamburger was very moving to me. I never did an internship, never joined staff, and actually, after I became a mom, I stopped going to the prayer room because I just didn’t have the time. However I lived with this burden you described for so many years. The guilt that enjoying something other than the pleasures of loving God, or pursuing the higher Anna calling that I raised my hand for so many times left me feeling like I was always settling for something lesser than. In hindsight, I’m so thankful to the Lord that I was always not in the “right” position to give myself fully to this because in my heart I was there, but for some reason it was never the right time. I always shared that I felt like I was in the wrong season at the wrong time etc when it came to IHOP, even though wholeheartedly I would have given myself to this lifestyle if I hadn’t already been married, then if I didn’t become a mom, then I went back to school. So thankful I put my life and family first. But grieving right now that I always felt guilty or like I was looked down on for never diving in. I hope that makes sense. But your hamburger story made me cry because it took many years for me to feel that freedom you felt that day and I wasn’t even on staff. The brainwashing is real!

So where was the preaching of the gospel to the city of Kansas and ministering to the broken outside the walls of IHOP? my husband and I moved from Florida to Kansas because of the paradigm of IHOP in 24 seven worship in prayer. But overtime we saw there wasn’t changes happening to the city around IHOP. Isn’t that the purpose of becoming a Christian and having the power of the Holy Spirit is to be an effective witness to your city? Kansas City has high rates of crime and yet there was no change to that city from 24 seven prayer and worship. But there was corruption happening within.

Thank you for this! As someone who was at ihopkc for 10 years I found yalls talk so insightful and helpful in processing all this. Keep up the good work and please do a part two!

Hearing yall talk about this stuff as leaders I looked up to and trusted, and still trust, I’m so grateful for the healing this gave me. I feel like this needs a part 2/3/4/5. ❤ love you guys!

Thank you for this comprehensive assessment. It really is worse than I thought, and I already thought it was a cult. I have family members that moved to KC and joined IHOP, twenty years ago, and their insistence on being part of IHOP and being devoted to Mike Bickle has broken my heart.

The part that Blaise shares at the 1:40 mark, when he told Stuart Greaves he was leaving IHOPKC, and Stuart responded, "I don't think that's a good idea. I believe your DESTINY is here in this movement." It's really chilling to think of the deep indoctrination like this going on in the name of Christ (!) not just at IHOPKC, but in way too many churches and organization. Thank God for all who've escaped. My heart aches for those who remain in bondage.

What a great interview! I have been following Austin on "X", since October, but I didn't know his history. I just noticed he seemed to know a lot of people and a lot of information. I enjoyed his insight into IHOP's history. So glad to "meet" him on your channel. I'm 75 years old, live in KC and attended Full Faith Church of Love w/Ernie Gruen a couple of times. I also watched IHOP "grow up" from Vineyard to Metro Fellowship to IHOP. I attended several "One Things" and one service when they were still in the trailer, but never felt called to go there, but I have several friends who did and some who still do.

50:49 A lot of that music that was performed at IHOPKC was very hypnotic in nature.

This was great! Thank you guys for doing what you’re doing. Really! People need to hear and have discussions about this. Many don’t. I have family who will not mention one word of it. They refuse to leave the movement. Praying for you and your channel, and praying His Name be glorified, forever!!!

I was at a huge church conference in Berlin, Germany, the church has their own 24/7 prayer room and the prophetic history of IHOPKC was being taught at this conference to hundreds and thousands of people.

1:39:28 what he's describing... when Misty Edwards came up to him and told him he would be thetr for the rest of his life... i mean... if you leave does that mean you're MISSING what God has for you ifb you disagree with their prophesy? Its so abusive and sad.

To be honest for me I was at IHOP simply because of the prayer room having enough comrades manning the room with me at all hours, even though I was fascinated with the Prophetic History more than anyone I knew. The Return of Jesus and Great Commission and end-time gospel to Jews were far more decisive and conscious for me day to day. So i didnt need the history to keep me there. And I had a fantastic time there for 4 years, just bc of the prayer room and prayer room community, the intensity and holidays spent in there were glorious and precious. That’s just me though. IHOP only seemed like a cult among the leadership team, to me everyone below that seemed like Mere Christianity charismatic brethren trying to seek God. I totally own though that this wasnt everyone else’s experience. The fact that Allen Hood and Dwayne Roberts and Wes Hall etc were at height of leadership however proves to me that even the leadership wasnt all culty nor was it always hard to be a free and integral leader on this team for years. The toxicity came with the leaders who worshipped Mike in blindness. I think God went forth valiantly in His purpose letting wheat and tare grow together just like everywhere else. If I’d ascended to leadership there I might tell a different tale, dunno, and it’s all still totally heartbreaking, such a costly way to learn to keep Jesus alone in charge.

My experience with IHOP was on the fringes. I never researched the prophetic history or listened to Mike’s teaching. I loved the 24/7 harp and bowl concept. And I loved Misty Edward’s worship music. The worship music in our church was provided for us from several IHOPKC graduates who were on staff at our church for a time. And from my experience, Holy Spirit would manifest His presence in our church every time those gifted worshippers ministered. It was beautiful, freeing, purifying and transformative. I would hear the Lord speak to me during those times. So, I wonder if the Lord blessed a movement ‘in spite’ of the awful predator’s that began a snake oil business, cloaked in ministry. My experiences with the Lord during that season were the most real and profound I’ve ever known. Of course, the enemy wants us to believe God doesn’t heal anymore. He wants us to believe spiritual gifts no longer exist. So, the enemy chose this time and season to reveal the horrible corruption-when the whole world is combusting and falling apart. All this to say, I think we should pray for that discernment, while asking the Lord to show us how to shake off the disappointment. And I believe we need to ask Him how to use the gifts He’s given us to restore and rebuild all that the enemy has destroyed.

We would like to see IHOPKC close down entirely and the money be used for the interns and volunteers. They could be given a sizable amount to start their lives again.

Thank you for sharing this. It's giving us a lot more insight into what's been going on behind the claims of superior Christianity. Well done, dear ones. I thank the Lord for bringing you out from this. I hope many ihopers will watch and run from this cult. ♡

It would be interesting to see a documentary about all of this.

Thank you all three of you! Keep the videos coming, before the re-branding and relaunch

The missing Christmas and Thanksgiving and holidays really made me sad. We did endure a lot of loss by all the sacrifices for the “greater story line.”

I appreciate this video. I thought however coming into it there would be a bit more commentary on the specific deviations/changes made about the various prophecies. Could you please make a video diving into those? My husband and I both went through FSM, and I also went through FITN when you led there Blaise. You are actually the reason I desired to be filled with the Spirit and I am! In 2015 the Lord led us to be on staff at a small house of prayer in southern Indiana where we still serve. It's current expression is very different from when we began there in 2015. But the Lord has continued to lead us and we have been family pastors at a local church since 2022. After stepping away from IHOP, and especially after getting involved in a local body and having kids, I have been on a "detox" and have really questioned "why i believe what I believe" AND what am I sowing into people's hearts around me based on those beliefs. As all this has come out I have definitely wondered about WHAT to believe God for from that prophetic history. So going into specific deviations would be incredibly helpful as I wonder "is God still going to have a billion soul harvest?" Are ANY of those promises legitimate to believe for? I appreciate this conversation and continue to follow:) bless you all and your families

I wish 15 years ago when I moved away from ihop after being there from ‘04-‘09 that I knew people who could talk openly about how they were affected by it all. Other than my parents and a few close friends I felt so much fear to keep to myself the culture of ihop. You guys have said so many things I relate to completely. Especially about feeling free after leaving ihop to just enjoy regular life as a Christian! The thing I’ve said for years to just a few is that is is dangerous for an organization to promise the big prophetic history things to young adults. Because when a few years go by and they don’t happen, then there is a possibility that not only do they leave the ministry , but they leave Jesus all together. How many times did we hear Mike say - there are 3 or 4 groups of young people through the years who got it and did it, but when they get a little older and a little more influence, a little more money and they aren’t on fire anymore. (Something to that effect anyway) What he really was saying is that people can’t live on nothing, with 6 guys in a basement apartment anymore. That somehow having a family and providing for them means that you are less of a Christian. So many things… I’m grateful that it doesn’t have to be quiet anymore. Last thing, for everyone is has been hurt by ihop and believed that big promises - you will be okay. Hold onto Jesus and He will be with you in the hurt, numbness, anger and all the emotions. He is still good. Your heart to follow Him is a wonderful thing. You are not alone.

I find it so hard to believe that the abuse/ sexual indiscretions were going on unrecognized all those years. You can’t tell me that people thought it was “normal” for Mike to be locked away in his office with women. I don’t think it was unrecognized as much as certain people were turning a blind eye to it. When people would ask questions about the prophetic history, the reason they would get shut down so quickly is because, in peoples heart of hearts they didn’t want the curtain to get torn back and find out that it really wasn’t the Wizard of Oz all along it was just a scared old man hiding behind his lies.

I really appreciate this video, please part 2!

"The prophetic history" gives me definite Joseph Smith Book of Mormon vibes. And then the whole "you can't even question it" thing.... wow. There are *so many* people still in this and refusing to face reality. This is a cult with a capital C. I'm so sick. They're going to need serious deprogramming.

Really enjoyed this and happy to put a voice with Austin X !

Sam storms and Allen Hood are working together to unpack and clarify the accuracy and truthfulness of IHOPs prophetic history. I look forward to their assessment!

Great interview and commentary. I've been part of this KC fellowship since 1990, and this interview felt like the exposure of a cult, an exposition, explanation, and most importantly, a closure. The era of the Mike Bickle-IHOPKC is over. The gross erroneous emphasis on a wrong-way endtime narrative just got stopped hard. And thank God it did. IHOPKC attracted some phenomenal God-seeking, God-fearing people, some have left ( like the above ) and same have stayed. Just need God to transform the current 24/7 prayer model into what He has envisioned. Preview: it is NOT people starving themselves, depriving their families, or manipulated by the whimsy of men. It will be a proper family, filled with love, resources on every level, and it will be inhabited by the Father. That is my hope and prayers for what IHOPKC needs to grow into in the years to come...

this was such a great and insightful talk. God bless you and keep you

Every organization needs space for people to question their beliefs and doctrines without being shunned and outed. What a refreshing conversation this was!!! I could now see how IHOP can be portrayed as a cult. Thank you for this information!

While listening to this it occurs to me that Mike Bickle's emphasis on asceticism was really his form of penance. He has much to feel guilty sbout

Questions cannot be tolerated by controllers.

I once attended a church and I knew from the first few minutes that something was off with the pastor. However, they had amazing and hour+ long worship that I loved. I was considering not going back but I felt God saying to me that they had some issues and that if I left, I would miss what he had for me. It really was an amazing couple of years in my spiritual life at this church but in the end I got the boot. Never was bitter or upset over that and during this time, I had also been attending a very solid bible church so the impact was not as much as it could have been. So important to listen to the Holy Spirit.

Thank you again!! Glad to hear from all of you today!!

I probably shouldn't comment before listening to the whole podcast, but it reminds me a little of scientology, working for free. A life of servitude servitude..

I have a friend from Fort Worth who was so instrumental in my sobriety and the early days of my walk with Jesus, but something about IHOPKC always gave me the ick. I had to break communication with him for a few years, and we talk now but he is still very much deceived. Involved in a culty prayer room here in the area that has spiritually damaged a couple of people that I know... it just breaks my heart that even after this came out about MB, he still won't see it. I feel like I owe so much to this man and his wife for helping me when they did, but I can't help them see the truth and it frustrates me 😐 I'm only a third through this episode, and I'm just so sad 😢 I need to give my heart a rest. One thing that was said that made my stomach literally ache was, "If you want to control people, keeping them hungry is quite effective." I saw my friends fast and pray fast and pray... I swear every week there was a new freaking fast. I got lectures about fasting. Lessons on fasting. Facebook posts about fasting. Lawd hammercy if anything ever made me NOT wanna fast, it was how much I heard about it. Anyway, between that and the repetitive monotone music... bruh. I see how someone could go into a trance. MB is a wicked man. He will have to answer for so much. I do not envy him one bit.

Definitely helpful to walk through it because it is has always been presented in a fantastical, dramatical, over the top way by the normal, old ( not old in age, old as in times are changing ) leaders. So for people to hear it in a normal, human way is important beloveds ♥️

I was at South KC Fellowship from 1983. Pat Bickel was always there. He was there, as I understood it, because he deeply loved the Lord and wanted to be at the meetings and not because Mike drug him around to the meetings. I think Pat believed God was going to heal him. It is a very sad story.

I was there for the "turn" word as well as the prophetic history in 2002. It was so intense. Thank you Austin for sharing all you know, I remember you always being so kind and gentle and it is so wonderful to see you continue to be so kind and gentle in sharing this with people. And yes, most houses of prayer have their own "prophetic history" but they kind of include some of KC's stuff

Mike: I’m not telling you I’m an apostle. I’m just telling you that everyone who gets in a chariot is an apostle. And God told me to get in a chariot. 🤣

Excellent! Thanks! Those of us in the Vineyard movement also got sucked into all this after the prophets were brought in during the late 80's. Then later KC became a Vineyard. I believed the prophecies. Now I am questioning all of it.

Thank you guys so much! What humility and love for the TRUTH you all have. Prayers for deeper healing and prayers for God's protection 🙏 ❤️

Thankyou for asking Austin to go over the prophetic history. I didn't go there but I have been in the pentalcostal NAR crap for years. I went to the original vineyard started by Ken gullekson who brought in Wimberley. Anyways was on an intensive prayer team for years where we did bring in stuff from bethel sozo teaching. I also went to a bill hamon conference and had some books by Mike bickle. I can't believe how much unbiblical crap I have picked up and it's hard to what's God and not moving in the spirit now. So much seems like witchcraft and new age paganism. 😕 can't believe at almost 62 still not having it right following jesus doctrine. Now I'm interested in doing inductive bible studies and keeping things more in context. I heard from a teacher if you don't you can make the bible say anything you want. Problem too is we want more always more so we fall into BS teachings. God I pray for everyone coming out of cults and unbiblical churches that you meet everyone where they are and by your spirit bind all wounds and lead them into all truth and understanding concerning you, Lord, in Jesus's name amen. Love ❤️ your podcasts, God bless you guys. 🙏

I would add to the list Mike’s prophecy in the early 1980’s when he was in Cairo when he said that God said that God would change the “understanding and expression of Christianity in the whole world in one generation.”.

I never went to this church but listened to studies and beautiful music for years,that said I always told anyone who asked me in leadership the question do you trust me? I would say I only trust God!that Keeps you from being let down or deceived,,,I went to a church Rick Joyner when I was young in the lord and when they had a break during conference I went into my room there to rest for a couple hours and had a dream ,,I dreamed I was on a diving board jumping high getting ready to dive and before I jumped in I looked and pool had no water??I woke up,I realize now that was holyspirit telling me not all places people prophets prophectic words are from him,I left wishing I never would of went

Ihave cringed each time the word cult has been used regarding IHOP . This interview opened my understanding for that word and I sadly see it is accurate. Austin and Blaise thank you for your sensitivities and intelligent discussions (apart from Dad jokes)

I know this is IHOP but it’s exactly YWAMTyler and my church in California. After following this whole IHOP thing it’s so disheartening to see that this is a culture that ministries have adopted to “lead” or control their members and volunteers. I really believed that they were hearing from God. I really believed in giving up my life to be a part of this end time revival. We were poor, we were intimidated, we were pushed to keep going to fulfill “their” God vision. My daughter was raped by a member of the community and completely dismissed because “Christians” don’t get the law involved. We were totally duped. And now what….?

This episode was so good. You all have done a great job over the months of explaining the IHOP situation to those of us who aren't very familiar with the movement. I am learning as much as I can, through this situation and others, about cults and narcissism and how people manipulate other people into doing their will. I know it's a very painful time for so many, but if we can learn the lessons and develop greater discernment from it we will be much more prepared for the future. We will be a church who worships Jesus, not idols, and who holds everyone accountable, regardless of their status in the body of Christ. Now that we understand how cult thinking works, we will be able to spot it wherever we go. I believe the end result of this is a sober, more mature church who is much more humble and obedient before the Lord.

Yesterday. I watched a great interview on The Remnant Radio with Sam Storms, Joel Richardson, Jono Hall and Allen Hood regarding Mike Bickle and IHOPKC. Excellent.

I brought many teenagers, including my three sons, to Onething in Kansas city from 2005 to 2012. The body of Christ being there bore good fruit in general, and although I felt strange about Mike Bickle always praying and shouting on the microphone during worship sets, I think God can work in lives that are seeking him even in places where leadership is questionable. I do have stories. My son, Carson Ross Norris, was hit and killed by a drunk driver in Kansas city while in his second year at IHOP school.

So great to see you on video, Austin! Shalome to ya dome from Kansas City bro!

I have been meaning to attempt a video on the history, so glad you guys did it!!! I went to a church in Texas that was modeled after ihop and later served on a ministry team that was required to study ihop proph history too!

This is so sad! I have not been aware of this ministry but the vision and church seemed to take the place of Jesus. God had to expose this so people could be restored back to real faith and Jesus.

Good stuff! This explains a lot of how the culture was created and how they got where they are today. Thanks, and great job!

This is heartbreaking to hear. My former church was not affiliated with ihop but they respected what they were trying to do and hearing that you need to DO something in order for Christ to "be able" to return is so familiar... i think what's so heartbreaking is the aspect of... people being force fed this history to the point thst they don't even think or question anything... they probably dream about it... the amount of reprogramming afterwards is incredible... also how you're describing is Mike would filter scripture through the prophetic history and teach people do do the same during the Bible teaching. Absolutely heartbreaking because I know so many who have walked away from the faith... all the while feeding on a counterfeit.

1:57:50 Mike Bickle may not have bodies in his basement, but he certainly has skeletons in his closet.

I’d love to hear about Austin’s apologetic meeting with MB. Thanks for the info. So devastating..💔 but thankful for the exposure.

God please get rid of all of the lies. Let us just read the Bible.. pray..live a life that does good. We do not need a Hollywood style church. Start helping your family... community...go back to God.. Jesus please heal all of Us

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As someone who was there 8 years i've really wondered what to make of the prophetic history now. Any chance we can get more actual details of factual discrepancies/errors that Austin found regarding the stories...

This is a very eye-opening and shocking expose. It is shocking to me that these prophecies were never scrutinized by the Christian cult followers of Mike, Paul Cain, and Bob Jones. Paul fell out of favor, but Bob's prophecies are still tauted. Thankfully, Blaise and Austin were set free. "Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge." (1Cor 14:29) "And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation" (2Pet 1:19-20)

Thanks for posting this. He pulled #3 (No disease, no demand) from the John G. Lake book: His Life, His Sermons, His Boldness of Faith. I read the whole book and that is one of the main components of the book that there was no sick person in the city of Spokane, because everyone the hospitals couldn't fix would be healed at his healing center. It would be interesting to hear your take on the passion translation. I feel like Brian Simmons is shilling the same kind of lies about going to heaven, getting the mysteries of the Bible revealed, talking about his version of the Bible being the only true authentic word of God, putting himself on the same level as the apostles (almost but he also clarifies everything in a way like Mike did to not go too far in what's he saying even though the implication is there)

Whether it’s IHOP, Bethel, one of the thousands of smaller churches swept up in that ideology, or even Scientology and any other myriad of cults throughout human history; it comes back to some fundamentals of human behavior, biology, and environment. Austin does a fantastic job elucidating the phenomenon in a very clear and “unspiritual” way that will help others and also graciously expose and help those who were caught up in perpetuating it. Great episode.

53:20 “Disassembly of the conscience” is the best line in this entire podcast maybe in the entire coverage of what’s happened with IHOPKC! thanks so much for your insightful and continued coverage of this Austin! Definitely following on Twitter. you’re coverage is helping me cover this as well

That was very helpful. Thank you.

You mentioned a book shared with you early on that led you to question the theology. Could you share the title?

The 6-5-4-1 for three days took me right out☠️🤣

In all of this I never hear anything about the word of God. All I hear is about prophecies from the prophets. An obvious red flag is when you are distracted from the word of God.

I believed the prophetic history like they were my own experiences. And I was never even there. Hearing them discussed so matter of factly makes me cringe. How could I have been so dumb? The only thing I can say to my defence is Mike is an EXCEPTIONAL communicator.

Please read Derek Prince’s letter regarding his summation of the KC prophets, including MB, back around the time the name changed to Vineyard. Spot on! Jesus is overshadowed by “experiences” and human personality

Hey Guys, I appreciate this particular podcast with Austin. I have listened to all sorts of discussions of IHOP, and its leader, Mike Bickle. But this is the first time that it all clicked in terms of seeing exactly how Mike Bickle, initially motivated by the KC Prophets, orchestrated the entire system, centering and anchoring everything around his "prophetic history." Thank you, now I see more fully. Here are my questions...... 1) We know that one of the main responsibilities of Old Testament prophets was that of warning God's people of apostasy, sin, and impending judgement. So, with the massive emphasis on the so called "prophetic," where were the prophecies warning that the very top leadership in IHOP was deep in sin, and abusing countless people? The top prophetic leadership was fast asleep at the wheel. What is the big advantage of "the prophetic" if someone like Sam Storms can't even see this stuff right under his very nose? How is that working for you Sam? 2) When Jesus Himself says that "a wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign." How is that so perfectly ignored? The "prophetic history" that Mike and the others made up is so childish. ( The chariot vision is perfect for a Nick Cage movie. ) 3) What happened to the "Great Commission?" I thought Jesus left clear instructions......, no? Mike Bickle traded "grooming underage girls" for "discipling men." 4) What happened to, "You shall know them by their fruits?" A good tree does not produce bad fruit. I would say that sexual abuse, which is a slow motion rape process, is bad fruit. Someone please name just one of these KC Prophets that did not have a serious criminal background and/or a consistent history of gross sin and bad theology. These guys are rivaling the behavour of the Papacy. 5) And then, what happened to Jesus and a love of His Word? Jesus is the Word for crying out loud. I have an idea...., let's start a church based on Jesus and His Word. I'm sorry, is that not exciting enough? I love you guys. I think the real deal has come over you, as in the real Holy Spirit, who is a God of order, and peace, and true discernment! I praise Him for that. It still appears that you are dealing with PTSD and spiritual trauma. You cannot imagine how this appears to us on the outside, it is like watching a horror film.

No sleep, hungry from all the fasting, repetitive hypnotic music, brain washing listening to tapes. All typical cult behavior.

I love your new set up. As a musician I love working with less not more.

I tried to find the prophecy you talked about from Shelly Hundley online & couldn’t find it. Really enjoyed this. My husband and I were living in KC during the same time Blaise was there. We moved there the end of 2008 & left in 2014. We were not “insiders” only went to FCF, prayerroom, conferences. I’m glad we left when we did.

Wow y'all. I'm listening and thinking back to all the times my friend would make things mandatory for his sober living ministry, like TPR DFW or we'd have to go hear Corey Russell when he came to Dallas... It's funny; I absolutely love live worship sets, but I don't remember a thing about Corey's show and that's super unusual for me. It's as if God had His hands over my eyes and ears. I'm in awe (again, because I think of this often) of how close I was to the IHOPKC CULTure and Jesus saved me. To be fair, I did get involved with a different very cultish small local church and was super spiritually damaged by them, but I digress... 😅

Love rejoices in truth

I wish you could tie Kim Clement into this , he was doing the same thing a few years later . There is a whole Mike Bickle Todd Bently crowd that is now on to Lance Wallnau Kat Kerr Julie Green Amanda Grace same thing with Trump thrown in

I'd love to know Diane's perspective on the past 40 years with Mike, and Luke's. Did they see through him? And how did his brother and sisters not see through him? I'd love to know what his sisters are thinking now. Sounds like they are running cover for him even still.

Question... 1:27:58 Christina asked exactly what I'm wondering. Im looking up the mission of my friends xhurxh house of prayer. I cant inagine they're all folloeing the prpphetic history but i also cant inagine they arent influenced by ihopkc either.

I was never drawn to this movement, but was independently drawn to the Lord into continual worship and to regular all night prayer once per week for a season. I have a strong call to worship & intercession, and to evangelism as well. Many in my circles would often speak highly of Kansas City IHOP. But anytime I checked it out, I wasn't drawn to it. And when I listened to their messages that were supposed to be so great (according to my friends), they were empty words to me. I believe I was protected from deception because I had encountered the real. Although I wasn't susceptible to this deception, I had been susceptible to other doctrinal deception in a cult-like environment early and my walk with Christ. (The leader in that Ministry also fell in sexual sin.) To all who were affected by KC IHOP and it's recent exposure, please DON'T throw the baby out with the bathwater. HOLD ON TO THE GOOD, and discard that which is evil. For those who were immersed in this movement, it will take a lot of time to discern the good from the evil, the truth from the error. In God's abundant mercy, He delayed this exposure, giving time for repentance. But now that exposure has come, be careful, for the enemy desires to pounce on it! He roams around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. He will try to use this to divide and conquer, to destroy and confuse, and steal as much as he can. We must guard our minds in these times, and quiet our thoughts, taking every thought captive and bringing it before the Father and asking Him to speak to us about it. It will take time, but we must be patient and intent to listen and wait for His response, and his Heart as He unravels the tangled web of truths and mistruths in our hearts and mind. And allow Him to deal with the emotional effects of the deceit in our hearts as well. It's a long process, but just stay humble and continue seeking Him as he walks you through it. There will be much learning in the process. He will make you stronger through it, and you will be able to help many in the future. Please remember that pure wisdom comes from above. And the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy, and it's seed is sewn in peace by those who make peace. (James 3:17-18) May God's grace carry you through. Blessings and prayers for you all!

I’m a former IHOP cult member too thank God I got about at 2013. And yes the music loops and basically you are getting brain washed essentially.

I’d love to hear about the weird meeting with Mike and y’all’s thoughts on what his state is. Clearly he’s been demonized for years and continues to be unrepentant. I’m sad for the innocent ones who were part of the fallout.

Prophetic destiny equals prophetic dopamine!

So great you guys. Hey Austin, could you explain more about the 4:18 prophecy?

Isaiah 60:1-2. Everytime Jesus spoke of the "end times", He always told us, "Do not be afraid." "Revelation of Jesus Christ." Funny thing is, when I look back over my life, God would always move, and then later on He would bring the pieces of the puzzle together. I so feel for you guys!

I remember those "Higher Ground" Bagels after sets

Thank you for posting, Have a blessed day !

YES, CHRISTINA!! He and they BELIEVED THESE PROPHECIES!!

I think the word you want is "patronizing" when you are referring to how Mike treated you as a little kid when you asked him about the PH.

What was the book that was given to you Blaise? The one that made you question the theology of IHOP.