Megale Hellas: The Greeks of Italy and Sicily

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Thersites the Historian

Thersites the Historian

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In this video, we look at the Greeks who settled in southern Italy and Sicily. We will talk about Syracusan ambition, Achaean Greek prosperity, Pythagoras' cult, and some of the best-preserved Greek temples in the world.
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@magnushorus5670
@magnushorus5670 2 жыл бұрын
Im loving these greek history episodes man... and the audio is waaaaaaaaaaay better, thank you!
@Timrath
@Timrath 2 жыл бұрын
The title is grammatically incorrect. It should be Megale Hellas, because "Hellas" is feminine, whereas "megas" would be masculine. In Greek, as in Latin, the adjective must always follow the gender of the noun. Nonetheless, great video, as always!
@yuribrito1504
@yuribrito1504 2 жыл бұрын
Great Video! Απίστευτος! Υπέροχος! I really like to study the Greek colonization in Southern Italy! Sicily (Σικελία), for example, was the heart and the epicenter of Magna Graecia (Μεγάλη Ελλάς), as the Romans called the Greek colonization within the current Italian regions of Sicily, Calabria, Basilicata, Puglia and Campania. In Sicily, however, it is important to highlight that the Greek colonization was NOT concentrated on the entire island, but only within the current provinces of Syracuse, Catania, Ragusa, Messina, Agrigento, Enna and Caltanissetta, including the southern part of the province of Trapani as well (where Selinunte is located). The current province of Palermo, on the other hand, was initially colonized by the Phoenicians/Carthaginians. Syracuse (Συράκουσαι), for example, was not only the most important city of Magna Graecia itself, but it was also one the most important cities of the western world as a whole, ESPECIALLY during Hiero II's reign (270-215 BC), when Syracuse rivaled with Rome and Athens! It was also the birthplace of Archimedes himself! Syracuse, in my historical analysis, was the "queen of Sicily" ("Η βασίλισσα της Σικελίας"). From a simple Corinthian colony, Syracuse became the most important city of Magna Graecia during Gelon I's reign (485-478 BC). Note: The death of Hiero II (215 BC), in my historical analysis, was catastrophic for the political independence of Syracuse. Hieron was able to maintain Syracuse as an independent polis (city) for over 50 years. However, after the rise of Hieron's son and successor, Hieronymus (Ιερώνυμος), Syracuse's political independence was completely compromised. Hieronymus simply abandoned his father's pro-Roman policy, allying himself with the Carthaginians during the Second Punic War. After this political "treason", the city was besieged and conquered by the Romans in 212 BC, which was carried out by the proconsul Claudius Marcellus, the "sword of Rome" ("Gladius Romae"). Nevertheless, Syracuse maintained its importance even after the Roman conquest in 212 BC, when it became the capital of the Roman province of Sicily (PROVINCIA SICILIA), the first Roman province outside Italy. Agrigento (Ακράγας), in turn, was the second most important city of Magna Graecia, ESPECIALLY during the reign of Theron/Θήρων (488-472 BC). After the Greek victory over the Carthaginians at the Battle of Himera (480 BC), Akragas became the most important polis of central Sicily. Pindar himself call it the "most beautiful city of the mortals". However, after the destruction of the city by the Carthaginians (406 BC), Akragas, in my historical analysis, completely lost its former glory and importance. When the consuls Quintus Mamilius Vitulus and Lucius Postumius Megellus conquered the city in 262 BC, Akragas, which was called Agrigentum by the Romans, was no longer the former powerful Akragas of Theron's reign. Just like Paestum (Ποσειδωνία), Agrigento is a "symbol" of the Greek presence in Southern Italy. I really like to visit the Valley of the Temples someday!
@PubliusUSA
@PubliusUSA 2 жыл бұрын
Much respect to you for your most informative comment and for your effort. (Thanks man...)
@sergpie
@sergpie 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your very informative and well-thought comment. My grandmothers side has some roots near Leuca, and some older relatives (long gone now) spoke a dialect I think called Griko.
@Laocoon283
@Laocoon283 Жыл бұрын
This comment is very informative and you have my thanks I am not a bot
@user-hs5rh8co4c
@user-hs5rh8co4c Жыл бұрын
Πολύ καλό σχόλιο, εύστοχο και ενημερωτικό ταυτόχρονα
@davidedbrooke9324
@davidedbrooke9324 2 жыл бұрын
Toured there on my own 5 years ago, amazing temples and remains. The actual size of the temples was impressive.
@Terrarification
@Terrarification 2 жыл бұрын
I love these videos about specific areas of the ancient Greek world. Would love to see more.
@ConcaDoru
@ConcaDoru 10 ай бұрын
These temples are ancient than the partenon. Everyone should visit these. Including my greek friends. The archaic forms of these temples are amazing.
@johnphillips4708
@johnphillips4708 2 жыл бұрын
Heyyyy, love these videos! Appreciate what y’all do here. 🙏🏻
@cornyhorsecornhorsington7522
@cornyhorsecornhorsington7522 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so mych much for these videos sir. I just found the channel and i plan on binge watching them over the weekend 😁😁
@jdmesa0925
@jdmesa0925 2 жыл бұрын
Brother man I’ve been watching your videos for a few months now and I’m just glad to have come across your channel. I appreciate you
@HighSpirits217
@HighSpirits217 2 жыл бұрын
These are great, keep up the good work.
@jacob_swaggerz
@jacob_swaggerz 2 жыл бұрын
Great content!
@decimusausoniusmagnus5719
@decimusausoniusmagnus5719 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing stuff
@simritnam612
@simritnam612 2 жыл бұрын
Milo's workout started with a calf which he would carry around his neck even as it grew and that is how he gained prodigious flex.
@MrBl3ki
@MrBl3ki 2 жыл бұрын
It's also probably true, the cattle was much smaller during Classical period and wasn't heavier than 300kg. That particular bull might have been even smaller.
@mtairydude1702
@mtairydude1702 2 жыл бұрын
Really interesting listen.
@michaelleblanc7283
@michaelleblanc7283 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff . . .
@mortimusmaximus8725
@mortimusmaximus8725 2 жыл бұрын
The Greatest Historian, of all time. 🦉
@HxH2011DRA
@HxH2011DRA 2 жыл бұрын
Oooooooo learned a new word~ Sybaritic- fond of sensuous luxury or pleasure; self-indulgent.
@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093
@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093 2 жыл бұрын
@29:16 I'm pretty sure Dio wrote an hilarious song about this.
@dardo1201
@dardo1201 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, do you ever plan on making one about the colonies in Gaul and Iberia?
@cactuscoe9096
@cactuscoe9096 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought it was "Megale Hellas", since "Hellas" is feminine rather than masculine
@qboxer
@qboxer 2 жыл бұрын
Great video summary. When you talk about Achaean colonists, is this referring to the north area of the Peloponnese only, or does it encompass some later areas of the Achaean League including Arcadia? If not, do you know of any Arcadian colonies?
@TiomesTheOne
@TiomesTheOne 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I'd love geographical video references tho
@markp44288
@markp44288 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, Magna Graecia... got it.
@Zaeyrus
@Zaeyrus 2 жыл бұрын
For the Algorithm! About to start the video, hope it will cover Greek colonies in modern day Croatian coast that were created from cities from Magna Graecia. edit: "cover" .... mention at least
@chickenassasintk
@chickenassasintk 2 жыл бұрын
My Like and Comment
@stephentorkildson878
@stephentorkildson878 Жыл бұрын
Finding out I have Sicilian ancestry and now finding out that history is actually Greek I am not surprised however I am astounded. Halleluyah now I understand myself
@chrisamon4551
@chrisamon4551 2 жыл бұрын
Read this as Mega Hellas, imagined some giant Greek dude living inside that temple
@denizmetint.462
@denizmetint.462 2 жыл бұрын
Really want to visit the temples at Poseidonia/Paestum someday.
@matthewvicendese1896
@matthewvicendese1896 2 жыл бұрын
Make sure you check out Monteforte when you're there.
@kevinsippeljr9984
@kevinsippeljr9984 2 жыл бұрын
All I can think of are the sybaris suites. Nemesis of black lights.
@Lexivor
@Lexivor 2 жыл бұрын
Anaxilas was originally from Messenia so he renamed Zankle after his homeland.
@kevinsippeljr9984
@kevinsippeljr9984 2 жыл бұрын
Wasnt the eureka moment about the measure of volume, not density?
@calebr908
@calebr908 2 жыл бұрын
Both. It allowed to understand the volume of the object, which when compared using weight, could determine density.
@pablolongobardi7240
@pablolongobardi7240 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! There is one question that this generated: how were the interactions between colonizers and natives? Hard to imagine such prime land being empty before the greeks
@francesguinta8614
@francesguinta8614 10 ай бұрын
There were 3 native peoples on the island before Greek Colonization.
@alanpennie
@alanpennie 2 күн бұрын
It was part of the difference between Italy and Sicily that the Italians were highly militarised even before the rise of Rome, and several Greek cities were conquered (as described in the video), whereas the Sicels of Sicily were not warlike so they were driven into the interior and then mostly ignored.
@Carelock
@Carelock Жыл бұрын
I’ve literally spent countless hours listening to this channel. How is this free and so criminally unsubscribed…
@alexanderSydneyOz
@alexanderSydneyOz Жыл бұрын
26:00 regarding the two temples. Yes, good question why you would build another one. I think the answer is that these are not examples of civil engineering; these are examples of attempts to please and appease gods which were very much viewed as real, capricious, having a tendency to be vindictive to those who failed to sufficiently venerate them. In short, very powerful sooks. In that sort of context, there could be numerous reasons why the locals decided to build another. Including that it was required for their protection.
@nickfrechen1
@nickfrechen1 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully there's not a ton of ads on this 1.
@beepboop204
@beepboop204 2 жыл бұрын
if only there were some sort of ad blocker.................
@renatlottiepilled
@renatlottiepilled 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you talk about the westernmost Greeks too, like the Marseille and Spanish ones
@rogelioalonzo2911
@rogelioalonzo2911 2 жыл бұрын
I second this
@geordiejones5618
@geordiejones5618 2 жыл бұрын
I love to imagine a world where Alexander survived and took on Syracuse and Carthage from 320-310 then gets bogged down in the Italian mountains, meeting the Romans and beating them back but being unable to take Rome itself.
@rogelioalonzo2911
@rogelioalonzo2911 2 жыл бұрын
He would have taken Rome
@midweekcentaur1050
@midweekcentaur1050 Жыл бұрын
He wouldve taken Rome pretty easily though. They were advanced enough to have a good set of walls but nothing that Alexander didnt already see.
@charliebrown5755
@charliebrown5755 2 жыл бұрын
It can't be less rectangular. It can be almost square
@kevinsippeljr9984
@kevinsippeljr9984 2 жыл бұрын
Dorian, lokrian, ionian: these are all musical modes. I want to know the history or this.
@Laocoon283
@Laocoon283 Жыл бұрын
They prolly built a second temple cause the first one wasn't rectangular enough lol
@alanpennie
@alanpennie 2 күн бұрын
Quite possibly. They decided the older one wasn't any good because it was out of proportion. Not just Archaic, out of date.
@Moribus_Artibus
@Moribus_Artibus 2 жыл бұрын
Some of the most loungey Greeks lived there. Sybarites and Tarentines never really got their shit together
@GHST995
@GHST995 2 жыл бұрын
Yamas
@daniels4338
@daniels4338 2 жыл бұрын
16:30 what?
@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093
@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093 2 жыл бұрын
I can understand why Pythagoras' less salubrious activities get suppressed but I think there is a pretty easy parallel with modernity; Ted "the Unabomber" Kazcynski. He was a brilliant mathematician whose doctoral thesis is so complex and brilliant it can only be fully understood by like 10 people in the world. While not the leader of a cult, he certainly saw himself as the leader of a decentralized resistance and his manifesto has inspired many hundreds, even thousands of people. What we see in the ancient Greeks is often what we wish we were: rational and cultured. Modernity really is neither and often is an active expression of hatred towards such.
@LorolinAstori
@LorolinAstori 2 жыл бұрын
It's nice you devote a decent amount of research but sone of it is biased and lacks any reference to an alternative viewpoint.
@x.kasiouris5503
@x.kasiouris5503 2 жыл бұрын
Btw the Syracusans were Dorics i think so the reason they sided with the Spartans is the coser blood ties to the Spartans, thoguh i could be spewing bullshit i am really not well informed in that stage of the peloponisian war and it's generally the most overlooked i think whilist beign hugely important
@midweekcentaur1050
@midweekcentaur1050 2 жыл бұрын
You are correct, there's even a story of a warband being led by athenians with some doric allies accidentally attacking each other because they mistook thier allies war songs for the enimies.
@ThersitestheHistorian
@ThersitestheHistorian 2 жыл бұрын
The Syracusans were more inclined toward friendship with Sparta because of the shared Dorian heritage, but they would not have gotten involved in the conflict at all if the Athenians hadn't arrived in Sicily and attacked them.
@alanpennie
@alanpennie 2 күн бұрын
​@@ThersitestheHistorian It certainly made a change when they were notorious for bullying the nearby cities.
@anargyroi
@anargyroi 2 жыл бұрын
Magna Grecia , they're still there and they speak Griko
@YiannissB.
@YiannissB. 2 жыл бұрын
Keep in consideration that these Greeks are proppably a product of Greek migration in Byzantine times. The traces of ancient Greek are sadly lost
@chrisg.k487
@chrisg.k487 2 жыл бұрын
@@YiannissB. Από που προκύπτει ότι υπήρξε βυζαντινός εποικισμός κατά τη διάρκεια του Μεσαίωνα;
@YiannissB.
@YiannissB. 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisg.k487 απο λήμα Griko στη Wikipedia
@zenomtfr
@zenomtfr 2 жыл бұрын
34:52I'm Italian kroton still exists It's called Crotone
@charliebrown5755
@charliebrown5755 2 жыл бұрын
The
@kevinsippeljr9984
@kevinsippeljr9984 2 жыл бұрын
Good point.
@unnunn12
@unnunn12 2 жыл бұрын
inject this shit right into my veins
@OstasHs
@OstasHs 2 жыл бұрын
I do not mean any disrespect but the two words “Megas Hellas” do no go together grammatically. It should really be “Megali Hellas” The first word is an adjective and the second is a noun. They need to be of the same gender.
@dyonisos7295
@dyonisos7295 10 ай бұрын
V
@markegirski7498
@markegirski7498 8 ай бұрын
Hellas=KOŁASa
@hoboplay6703
@hoboplay6703 Жыл бұрын
Greeks are Orthodox Turks not related to Hellens.
@t30dore59
@t30dore59 11 ай бұрын
Do the Turks of Turkey look central asian?
@giorgosstamatopoulos8115
@giorgosstamatopoulos8115 10 ай бұрын
@@t30dore59 Aλβανος ειναι , οχι τουρκος , αδερφε παλαβωσαν τα σκιπταργια
@miastupid7911
@miastupid7911 5 ай бұрын
No matter how many times all this hoopla is repeated WE ARE STILL HERE, US GREEKS, IN GRECIA MAGNA AND ANATOLIA (GREEK FOR WHERE THE SUN RISES), GRECO-ROMANS IN TOTAL. When those that call themselves Turks today get sick and tired of being subjugated, which they are to this day, you also will stop with the hoopla, hoboplay and go hobo back to where you came from. @hoboplay6703
@bastadimasta
@bastadimasta 2 жыл бұрын
When you use the words Mega and Hellen together, Greek start to invade other people's land.
@AthrihosPithekos
@AthrihosPithekos 2 жыл бұрын
Magna Graecia was actually a term used by the Romans for that area.
@ingaman
@ingaman Жыл бұрын
Mega Hell? Sounds awful!
@hroververi728
@hroververi728 9 ай бұрын
Magna Grecia!
@gringlebandersnatch
@gringlebandersnatch Жыл бұрын
I love the fact that the Greeks associated with sophistication and deep thought had a popular party game where you fling wine at a dish to see who can hit it.
@HxH2011DRA
@HxH2011DRA 2 жыл бұрын
Oooooooo learned a new word~ Sybaritic- fond of sensuous luxury or pleasure; self-indulgent.
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