Melting and forging copper into cuff bracelets (and making tools to help)

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2 жыл бұрын

Casting copper ingots and forging copper jewelry is a very satisfying and easy copper jewelry making technique.
In this video making a copper bracelet by melting down and recycling scrap copper is simple and enjoyable.
I would normally add a sprinkle of borax powder on the molten copper to help remove impurities just before pouring. however I was concentrating so much on camera, lighting, focus and composition I completely forgot.
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@Denaesartisanjewelry Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU FOR THE SLOW-MO MOLTEN LIQUID POUR!!!! SO MESMERIZING!!! BEAUTIFUL WORK!

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

thanks for that DHG, I was surprised how well the poor filmed. surprising what you can capture with an iPhone … N

@jimbartley9125 Жыл бұрын

Glad to know that you can melt copper with the little torch. Project turned out nice. Must purchase the multi tip! £58 + now! ! Cheers

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

hi Jim, as long as it’s not too much copper and it is in a small crucible seems to work well with the multi jet tip. surprising how much more heat you need than just melting silver … how everything goes up in price I think I paid £30 a long time ago … Nick

@hectorgarcia8691 Жыл бұрын

This is a very comprehensive lesson, tool making and metal forging, pretty much a lost art nowadays, today it’s 3D printing, lost wax casting or buying it made 😅, beautiful bracelet btw !!

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Hector, I was surprised how well this worked, i’m used to casting silver like this for making wire but had never tried copper. It just seemed to need to be a lot hotter 🔥 … cheers … Nick

@tammiehonican76 Жыл бұрын

Beautiful work! You never cease to amaze me! I'm going to build me a bending mandrel! Thank you!

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

thanks Tammie, yes very useful tool, blacksmiths call them bending forks when they’re made out of metal … cheers … Nick

@tlbriggs2662 Жыл бұрын

Stunning Nick. So much so, I made one for my Husband. He Loves it!😁 Used 4g industrial bare Copper wire from Electrical Store. Cut inch shorter than needed. Annealed it 10x's, I swear! Turned out Nicely...but I'm definitely making your bending tool before I make another👍 Again, Thank You Nick! Tame'ra

@tlbriggs2662 Жыл бұрын

Oh, his wrist are considerably large...Your bending tool, is a MUST.

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

Nice one Tame’ra, Fab to have a partner to make stuff for, how are you getting on with your rings … surprising how much annealing copper needs. always worth making a tool if it helps just as satisfying to make as the project itself … what came first the hammer or anvil. my next short videos are more tool orientated … N

@tlbriggs2662 Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff wish you had a Facebook page or something. I'd love your opinion/criticism on a few I've already made.

@tlbriggs2662 Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff rings are still a work in progress. I have purchased silver wire. I'm wanting to surprise him with matching Wedding Bands for our Anniversary...that's the 24th. Wish me Luck!?!? T

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

well not long left to go now … good luck with it hope you get it sorted … i’m sure he’ll be happy with anything you make … N

@kasie680 8 ай бұрын

This is so cool! I imagine a Viking wearing it! 😊

@Nickscreativestuff 8 ай бұрын

Thanks Kasie … had to google “Viking jewellery” very chunky and butch, not sure if it would suit my delicate wrist … 👍😎👍 … N

@jirup Жыл бұрын

Now that is a bracelet with some heft to it! Love both the bending tool and the ingot mould, not to mention the bracelet itself. I have dual fuel (oxy/propane) for my lampworking torch... might just have to get a another torch and use up some of my scrap copper. Cheers Nick, looking forward to you next video.

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

Hi Jirup thanks for your comment, Great to experiment and practice techniques with copper, not sure if I would want to try this one with silver, I would end up using all my stash being 60g or more. if you have an Oxy generator for your lampwork you could have endless fun melting copper without too much expense. if you buy a “Smith’s little torch” try to avoid the counterfeit and copies on the market, I heard people have terrible troubles with them. not sure what’s next, it might be more simple pegboard projects … all the best … Nick

@jirup Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff No concentrator, unfortunately. The slab in the workshop is old and abraded. I fear a concentrator would just choke in there. I've heard the same regarding the Smith's ripoffs, not worth the trouble.

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

same as me, they’re probably too sensitive for my Workshop. I just try and be conservative with my large hobby gas Oxy bottle … cheers … Nick

@walkingwater893 4 ай бұрын

I love working with copper but doing s. glass currently. Great shop/tools you have I enjoyed watching and learning!😊

@Nickscreativestuff 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for that walkingwater, so many creative mediums out there to play with. I’ve been fascinated with lapidary videos lately, way above my station but fun to watch. The natural beauty of glass must be very enchanting to work with … N

@mawi1172 Жыл бұрын

That's CLEARLY made for a man! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

Hi Ma Wi, yes blokes do like to wear these chunky copper cuffs … cheers … N

@joesask857 Жыл бұрын

i like what you do thank you i subed

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

Nice one Joe … all a bit of fun, thanks for your sub … N

@raymondraptorclaw2901 Жыл бұрын

Forging other metals like copper opens a whole new world to me as a blacksmith…

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

hi Raymond, so much variation when forging different materials. This was the first time I had tried copper, its ability to work hard so quickly is a strange property to deal with. I tried stainless steel one time surprisingly hard going. Alec Steele made a great video when he heated and forged a bar of gold on his anvil … happy hammering … Nick

@raymondraptorclaw2901 Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff was that graphite that you cast it in? I’m trying to basically forge weld with clump of copper scrap together, nearly melting it each time.

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

hi Raymond, I poured the molten copper into a short piece of angle iron and used two small square steel pieces for stop ends. surprising how much heat is needed to melt copper but when it gets there it flows well … N

@raymondraptorclaw2901 11 ай бұрын

@@NickscreativestuffThank you for your advice! I think I know what I might be able to do… I could do the same and use angle iron, but also as the crucible? My propane forge makes the copper oxidize like crazy, so maybe I could add some borax with the copper scrap. Or if this wouldn’t work, I have access to firebrick that could be carved into a crucible, some high-heat mortar that could be mixed with dust of firebrick to maybe make a crucible, or I could even access this grey clay vein and make a crucible of pure clay…

@Nickscreativestuff 11 ай бұрын

using borax is a great help it seems to clean, lubricate, seal crucibles and protect molten metals all at once. Making your own crucibles will be a great achievement. Safe guarding against crucibles full of molten metal failing just at the wrong moment must be an important consideration with this option … good luck with it … Nick

@michaelcypher2617 5 ай бұрын

This was so cool, thanks for sharing I love this bracelet

@Nickscreativestuff 5 ай бұрын

thanks for that to Michael, I was surprised how well this technique turned out … N

@montystewart8467 Жыл бұрын

Love watching your creative process. Angle iron for ingots is genius. Does copper work harden faster than silver? Cheers, mate!

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

Thanks Monty, Nice words “creative process” i’ll have to use them if I ever get to merchandising level on KZfaq, I fancy having a go at T-shirts and slogans. I found oil helps when using angle Iron, managed to miss that out in the video. Copper seems to work harden incredibly quickly when you’re heavily working it. Hot forging really helps with this issue and makes it very pleasing to work with. i’m sure the same process would work well with sterling silver however the chance of melting the end off is more at risk … cheers Nick

@Gunni369 8 ай бұрын

A great video! Can't wait to give it a go myself after watching this

@Nickscreativestuff 8 ай бұрын

Thanks Ryan, I was pleasantly surprised by how well this worked. I was expecting a lot of porosity, but there was none at all … N

@Sheepdog1314 Жыл бұрын

I save everything - even the filings....very cool bracelet

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

thanks for that sheepdog, I quite agree, even the weight of filings can add up to a lot over the years, well worth saving … Nick

@tribulationcoming Ай бұрын

Going to make quartz, copper, and silver jewelry. Have a friend who is about 95, he is a jeweler and mostly inactive, but has much knowledge and experience. Known him for about sixty years. I'm 73 and want to do some craft work. Question? Can quartz be molded with copper, have an idea if done properly this might work. Thanks for the video.

@Nickscreativestuff Ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment tribulationcoming, Nice to have a friendly 95 year-old jeweller to pick the brains of. I’m not sure of your Quartz conundrum, being a hobbyist there’s a lot of subjects I’ve not got any experience with and stone work is one of them. I would suggest using forums they are generally very friendly and sociable with a lot of available knowledge to freely access. I’m sure they would be an abundance of geology forums to quiz about Quartz … good luck with it … Nick

@tribulationcoming Ай бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff Mr. Perkins knows some stuff and will help anytime.

@Nickscreativestuff Ай бұрын

well I hope you enjoy your adventures into new creativity directions … N

@valkobranislav Ай бұрын

Pekná práca...

@Nickscreativestuff Ай бұрын

Thanks Valko … N

@puresas 9 ай бұрын

Excellent, beautiful work

@Nickscreativestuff 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for that Chris … N

@scarlettardis2018 Жыл бұрын

Nice one Nick

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Scarlet, all a bit of fun if you’re careful … N

@mrbennysutube Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video! 👍👍👍 I like the jugs too 😊👍

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Benny, would be nice to try this in silver one day … cheers … Nick

@g.m.5412 Жыл бұрын

Enjoyed that! Loved seeing the jigs you made to get the jobs done. Did you make your own crucible and ingot mould?

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

thanks for that GM, always satisfying making a tool needed for a job. I buy my small crucibles called scorifier from cooksongold.com it’s easy to make a handle to use them comfortably and safely. I use a cast iron squaring tool as in ingot mould however i’m sure a bit of angle Iron would work as well … cheers Nick

@g.m.5412 Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff excellent! Thank you

@oddanneout 11 ай бұрын

NICE! 👌🏼

@Nickscreativestuff 11 ай бұрын

Thanks OAO … N

@sierakh8249 Жыл бұрын

thanks I learned a lot from your video

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

Nice to hear that Siera, thanks for the comment … N

@stevehartz4615 Жыл бұрын

Very very cool,and simple thank you

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Steve … N

@terryg4179 9 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.

@Nickscreativestuff 9 ай бұрын

Cheers Terry … N

@micahpickering2068 Жыл бұрын

Why didn't you add borax to remove impurities?

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

hi Micah, yes I definitely would normally add a sprinkle of borax powder just before pouring. however I was concentrating so much on camera, lighting, focus and composition I completely forgot … cheers … Nick

@tiveneven9463 Жыл бұрын

Very nice to watch, thank you for sharing 👍🏼

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

thanks Tiven, had to share this after seeing how well molten copper can pour … cheers Nick

@SVDIVYA Жыл бұрын

Very nice Bracelet nice disign

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

thanks for your comment SV DIVYA, would be nice to try and make with silver one day … cheers … Nick

@annnoyez Жыл бұрын

Wauw that is beautiful 😍

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

Thank you! 😊

@donnamealy4877 Жыл бұрын

This is great! Thank you for sharing your beautiful work.

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

Hi Donna, had to share this, I was so pleased that copper could pour so well … thanks … Nick

@donnamealy4877 Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff I also have a collection of copper, although not nearly as much as you. I can now stop my hoarding mentality!😄

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

I am surprised how my collection has grown over the years, some of it is so old I don’t even recognise odd bits at the bottom … N

@josetonon5726 Жыл бұрын

Belíssimo trabalho. Ficou muito legal.

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

thanks for that Jose … Nick

@giovannafrera3677 11 ай бұрын

❤❤❤❤

@Nickscreativestuff 11 ай бұрын

👍😎👍 … N

@jeffdoveton5121 Жыл бұрын

Love the ingot , will probably use that at some time . Just curious as to why you forged it while it was hot .I have found that copper is more than soft enough to forge and then anneal. ❤💛💚

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

thanks for your comment Jeff, when moving copper a lot I find it work hardens incredibly quickly. by working it hot I find it moves very easily and saves a lot of time going through the re-annealing process, no need to cool quench and dry then reheat again from cold. I tend to do any finishing process cold for more accuracy and control. not sure if I would try this with a silver bar I, would probably end up melting something … all the best … Nick

@jeffdoveton5121 Жыл бұрын

Thanks , just started working with copper . I know that silver will not handle that process same as gold , they are both not malleable when red hot.

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

not sure about that … have you seen the Alec Steele video “can you forge solid gold” … Worth a watch, amazing what you can be doing when you have over a million subscribers … Nick

@jeffdoveton5121 Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff I have not . will check it out .

@xFalconFixer 2 ай бұрын

How do you keep the copper from turning your wrist green (patina)? I didn't want to keep applying a spray clear coat (lacquer), especially when I give away most of what I make. (You know how it is; family and close friends always want stuff for free.) 😊😊

@Nickscreativestuff 2 ай бұрын

Hi xFalconFixer, The best option I’ve found is to preheat the piece first before dipping it in a tin of hot molten wax. if the wax is nice and hot it gives it a thin coat giving a thorough seal that will last awhile … N

@allanthompson9695 Жыл бұрын

I noticed what looked like a Smiths little torch for the initial melt. Then after, a Sievert. Im totally new to this, im interested to know what the interchangeable burners were after that. The kiln post / prop is new to me and seems very useful. Your videos always bring a smile to my face. Nick, I noticed on a previous video, that someone had made a small donation to help sponsor your channel. How does one do that?

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

Hi Alan, being a hobbyist I always striving to conserve my expensive gases. Melting copper needs the extra heat from oxygen when using an open crucible like this. However once I change to forging it less heat is needed and a pure propane torch will do the job. The interchangeable nozzles are graded to gas consumption per hour and using the ceramic kiln post helps conserve and build the heat needed, resulting in a much smaller nozzle achieving the temperatures required. After taking advice from other KZfaq creators I have started to timidly add donation reminders to my videos. The donate button is called “Thanks” and is found in a line of other buttons just under the video, it has a symbol that is a $ sign in a heart … thanks for your support … Nick

@kazn1137 7 ай бұрын

👌

@Nickscreativestuff 7 ай бұрын

👍😎👍 … N

@rileyblight4592 11 ай бұрын

Beautiful work. Perhaps you know of some places in middle ga where an entry level blacksmith could get an internship?

@Nickscreativestuff 11 ай бұрын

Hi Riley, being hobbyist i don’t get involved much with other blacksmiths. but if I had to find some community here in the UK I think I would start with colleges there’s also a magazine for metalworkers with a lot of contacts and associations and I suppose there’s also the digital world to explore, forums are great and some also have noticeboards. good luck with it … hope you find what you’re looking for … N

@Rev.MarkPetitt 11 ай бұрын

I have four small nuggets of copper that I want to turn into a bracelet, and you video has been by far the most helpful and confidence inspiring video I’ve watched. Thanks. I do still have a couple of questions though I hope you don’t mind me asking: I’ve bought a new scorifier and I saw in another of your videos (the melting a silver bar) that you “treated” your new one with borax…. Can flux be used? Both to treat a new scorifier and to purify the copper when smelted?

@Nickscreativestuff 11 ай бұрын

hi Mark thanks for your comment, I don’t think flux would work in the same way as borax for these processes. flux tends to burn off and degrade at high temperatures whereas borax has a syrupy consistency once up to temperature. it sticks and hold onto contaminants and dross helping clean molten metal by pulling it off the surface and adhering it to the crucible. A well seasoned Crucible ends up with a nice glossy glaze of borax acting as a lubricant that molten metal floats over easily … good luck with it … Nick

@hepburn118 3 ай бұрын

Really informative, I hadn't thought about doing my own copper ingots at home, but I will trying that out. Have you had a go at brass too? How'd that go?

@Nickscreativestuff 3 ай бұрын

Hi Shaun, i’ve only ever melted copper, bronze and silver in my Workshop. Apart from making solder I’ve never melted brass as I worry about the potential zinc fumes … N

@hepburn118 3 ай бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff Fair enough. I've had the zinc shakes from welding galvanised metals before, not fun, so I understand.

@Nickscreativestuff 3 ай бұрын

oh yes, can be really dangerous for hobbyists if they don’t know the dangers when in a confined space for long periods … N

@notyrants 3 ай бұрын

Does the wife complain about the funny tasting food from the crock pot?

@Nickscreativestuff 3 ай бұрын

maybe that’s why I always get complaints about my cooking … 😮🍲👎 … N

@AaAa-iz3cp Жыл бұрын

good. Red copper is more difficult to manufacture. It is still very hard after annealing. I don't have such a high temperature tool to melt.

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

thanks Aa … I feel privileged having an oxygen and propane mixed torch, burns incredibly hot just what you need for melting copper like this … cheers … Nick

@aly3560 4 ай бұрын

I would like to know what torches you are using. How big? What gas?

@Nickscreativestuff 4 ай бұрын

Hi Aly, it’s surprising how much heat is needed to melt copper. I use what’s called a “Smith’s Little Torch” that runs on a mix of propane and oxygen … N

@maverickmeteor Жыл бұрын

Looks fun! What kind of torch is that and what gas are you using?

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

Hi MM, i’m a proud owner of a Smiths Little Torch that runs on a mix of oxygen and propane … hot, hot, hot … 🔥🔥🔥 … N

@simonpidgeon949 Жыл бұрын

💯👍👍

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

😁😎👍 … N

@diabel8614 7 ай бұрын

Hi, can I recycle old copper pipes as well, as long as it isn't too much rusty?

@Nickscreativestuff 7 ай бұрын

Hi Diabel, copper pipe tends to be very clean and pure and is great for melting down for recycling. Any oxidisation or corrosion can be skimmed off once molten … N

@diabel8614 7 ай бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff thank you very much for the quick reply and the advice!

@Nickscreativestuff 7 ай бұрын

good luck with it. Have fun … Nick

@imwas144k 3 ай бұрын

Need to know what the first torch set up you used in this video is called so I can buy one. I know it's an oxygen and propane setup but what is the name of the torch you are using. Thanks

@Nickscreativestuff 3 ай бұрын

Hi Imwas, it’s called a “Smiths Little Torch” I bought it from Cooksongold.com … N

@imwas144k 3 ай бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff thanks

@rl1947 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for share your amazing works🙏. How did you make the tool where you melt the copper?

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

thanks for that R L, I melt the copper in a 2" Square Scorifier from Cooksongold.com. It was poured into an L-shaped length of metal also known as angle iron. I place two small pieces of square steel in the channel as stop ends … N

@rl1947 Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff ok, and where you burn the copper, how you did that tool?

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

to hold the Crucible a bit of scrap metal welded together and some nuts and bolts to hold the square stone … N

@elenorabrown4635 Жыл бұрын

🙂❤

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

👍😎👍… N

@stevetenney5098 Жыл бұрын

What was the tube you reheated the copper in?

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

Hi Steve the ceramic tube i use for a variety of projects is called a kiln prop or post. used in pottery kilns for making adjustable shelves … all the best … Nick

@sinclaire5479 Жыл бұрын

How do you finish your copper to keep it shiny or do you allow it to Patina ? I'm looking for something to keep my wind spinners shiny that I make

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

hi Sinclaire, there’s a few products that would help I use wax polish a lot as a sealant. acrylic sprays would work the type sold from car maintenance shops. maybe a paint on varnish there’s a product called metal sealant unfortunate comes in small pots … hope this helps … Nick

@sinclaire5479 Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff thank you so much

@caitlinali1669 Жыл бұрын

Hey Nick- Thanks for the great videos. New subscriber here! I'm sure this has been answered but what kind of torch are you using? I assume oxy/propane but you can change your tips which is fantastic. I have a MAP gas torch to start with. Will this work?

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

hi Caitlin … thanks for your comment and sub, I used two torches in this video the first is Oxy - propane great for the extra heat needed to melt copper then I switch to pure propane because not as much heat is needed to forge it. I think MAP gas would just about melt copper in a small crucible. I would start by heating the crucible then adding small amounts of copper to see how well it copes … 🔥good luck with it … Nick.

@caitlinali1669 Жыл бұрын

@@Nickscreativestuff thank so much for the detailed response! I really appreciate the advice and you sharing your creativity.

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

Cheers Caitlin … Nice to be able to help if I can … N

@Sir-ji373 6 ай бұрын

Hello Sir, I am from India, I want to buy the torch you have, where can I buy it.

@Nickscreativestuff 6 ай бұрын

Hi JI, i’m using an oxygen and propane mix torch called “Smith’s Little Torch” I bought mine from Cooksongold.com … cheers … Nick.

@Keshavrao009 Жыл бұрын

How can i get copper bracelet from you 100 gms weight

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

hi there, sorry but I don’t sell stuff however I’m sure a jeweller local to you could get you sorted … Nick

@kellym.11 Жыл бұрын

Can I achieve melting point with just a butane torch?

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

hi Kelly, I don’t think you can manage much smelting with butane it would probably melt smaller beads of copper on charcoal. larger torches tend to be propane and needed for the amount of copper in this video say 40g. You could test your torch bye melting a small amount and keep adding small pieces to this and see how long it takes. hope this helps … Nick

@Monkeywrench864 5 ай бұрын

Are you still making your bracelets??

@Nickscreativestuff 5 ай бұрын

Hi Knucklehead, KZfaq has taken over my creative passion so only really make stuff for video production these days. Always trying to think of something new to make a video about means I very rarely repeat myself … cheers … Nick

@Monkeywrench864 5 ай бұрын

@Nickscreativestuff I am a copper artist as well. Ever thought of a collaboration between other artists?? That would give you content

@Nickscreativestuff 5 ай бұрын

i’m always open to suggestions … I have done one video that was a bit of a Collab … the key casting challenge vid … however it’s not done very well so far … maybe a bit out of my usual niche … I suppose it’s always worth trying new things … N

@geonwar7071 Жыл бұрын

Plz cen you sand me copper chain Indian

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

sorry GEon I don’t get involved in the supply of stuff, just a happy hobbyist having fun on here … N

@AB-kg6rk Жыл бұрын

Voice is better so you can explain why your doing what you do. The text is leaving out alot. Whats wrong with a bit of narration. I love the tutorial, but ive worked with copper, i cant imagine trying to do it for the first time without more info. Good start tho! Best!

@Nickscreativestuff Жыл бұрын

hi AB, no just lacking in confidence … N